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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Nr_RaVeN on March 17, 2010, 01:52:34 PM
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With every one complaining about getting horded in the WWI arena I wish for one of the 4 WWI areans to be set up
No Icon WWI arena
Not to be confused with the Axis V allies arena.
As Axis V allies or The central powers V Allied Powers ONLY 2 country's
for the guys that do like it.
There are 3-4 WWI arenas already.
This way the hording is greatly reduced wile game play is enhanced.
As a WWI buff shooting at A D7 wile I'm flying one kills the fun.
If I'm in a Camel I don't want to be shooting at a camel.
Each air craft has its own attributes and weaknesses flying opposing aircraft allows tactics to be used to take advantage of the attributes of a particular aircraft wile exploiting the other aircrafts weaknesses. kind of how it was in WWI. and WW2 for that matter.
Besides that the imagery of the WWI paint schemes and AC design should be allowed to show though with out being diluted with immersion killing icons. .
A NO icon WWI arena would be allot of fun.
The bases are close lending themselves to the perfect no icon environment, for those that would be up to the challenge.
With 4 arenas it cant hurt to set one up like that. Perhaps just keeping short friendly icons to help with the team work.
I hope HTC would consider this option to add immersion to there great WWI add on.
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I vote no
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I vote no
Why ??? There would be 3 other areanas that you can fly in.... Why be an obstical. Just dont fly in there. :salute
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AvA? Right now?
wrongway
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Yes please :)
I often fly with friendly icons only already.
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Interestingly, when I went into the AvA, I was told to "keep it low". It was the same 200 ft furball between adjacent fields (over water, so not even trees) as in the other arenas, but with fewer people. No appreciable difference.
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I like the idea, Raven, but there is one point I should make out. Majority of people are flying the Fokkers. Few people will join the side with the Camel and F2B, either because the aircraft dont handle the way they like it, or because they dont know how to fly it. So if anything, we'll just see a massive horde of Fokkers flying around, waiting for that lonely Camel to up from the base and die with honor.
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I like the idea, Raven, but there is one point I should make out. Majority of people are flying the Fokkers. Few people will join the side with the Camel and F2B, either because the aircraft dont handle the way they like it, or because they dont know how to fly it. So if anything, we'll just see a massive horde of Fokkers flying around, waiting for that lonely Camel to up from the base and die with honor.
On this note I would rather see the SE5a, the Spad XIII, Neuport 17, DVa, and Phaltz III added to the game :) then a no icon arena, since the AvA is already doing the no icon thing.
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I like the idea, Raven, but there is one point I should make out. Majority of people are flying the Fokkers. Few people will join the side with the Camel and F2B, either because the aircraft dont handle the way they like it, or because they dont know how to fly it. So if anything, we'll just see a massive horde of Fokkers flying around, waiting for that lonely Camel to up from the base and die with honor.
:cheers: Plazus
Well I here that but I think there will always be a group that will fly the camel the spads the Neuport as they get added in. The thing is the crowed that chooses to fly the no icons tends to be a bit more experienced and mature. I for one if sides were uneven would fly a aircraft that i did not normally fly for the sake of balance .I think that would hold true across the boared most are rather mature individuals.
Also I'm sure there will be more aircraft added in as time passes.
That said
Just as many understand that spit 16 handles great, there are many that wont fly them based on principle alone.
If your picking up what I'm putting down.
There are allot that like a challenge.
I would think based on charactor alone, if the camel is hard to fly there will be a group that will fly it.
Personally like to jump on the side with less players... I like to be out numbered... because I have more targets to shoot at.. But that's just me.
On this note I would rather see the SE5a, the Spad XIII, Neuport 17, DVa, and Phaltz III added to the game :) then a no icon arena, since the AvA is already doing the no icon thing.
:salute Boxboy I dont think HTC would begin the WWI with out plans to add more aircraft... they will come.
The AVA arena is not a "WWI" arena.... they ran WWI plane set for a week that's all.
and my post is not to be confused with the AvA arena in anyway at all
What I am saying just to clarify is that I think simply changing the settings of one out of the 4 arenas isn't that big of an issue.
The arena would simply be for those wanting to do it.
This would not effect the other WWI areans.
Simply another choice.. some like vanilla, some like chocolate, some like both. Changing the settings in 1 out of four arenas satisfies everybody.
Just as you don't want to be forced to fly with out icons, I don't want to be forced to fly with them.
I'm simply looking for a choice for the WWI venue.
Not the sim as a whole.
I wouldn't be so sanctimonious to suggest that the whole sim be converted and force my preferences on everybody.
That would be totally unfair, and against the spirit of diversity and balance
:salute
RaVe
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For what ever reason, German stuff is seen as "cool" to a lot of the flight sim community and consequently seems to be Teflon to accusations of dweebiness that the British, Japanese, Russian and American aircraft are often stuck with, more or less in the order I listed.
Second, having seen the AvA back in its heyday, I have no confidence at all in the idea that enough players would change sides to make it an actual fight. I well remember 5-7 Japanese players in A6M2s against 20+ American players in vastly superior F4U-1s.
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For what ever reason, German stuff is seen as "cool" to a lot of the flight sim community and consequently seems to be Teflon to accusations of dweebiness that the British, Japanese, Russian and American aircraft are often stuck with, more or less in the order I listed.
Second, having seen the AvA back in its heyday, I have no confidence at all in the idea that enough players would change sides to make it an actual fight. I well remember 5-7 Japanese players in A6M2s against 20+ American players in vastly superior F4U-1s.
Well those 20 + are fools leaving themselves with no targets to shoot at
The no icon crowed tends to "even up" the sides as the concept of No icons in of it self draws the player looking for a quality experience. The "air quake"
mentality generally doesn't exist.
Thinking ahead there will be more aircraft to choose from. Be confident. :cheers:
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Heheh the age old tactic of somehow making my position more "mature, real, skilled, etc etc", I just don't buy it. The fact that most folks perfer the icons in NO way (IMHO) makes them airquakers. Most have played this game for the action and anything that takes away from action (i.e consumes more time to get to action) is viewed as an annoyance. Icons and radar are simply in the game to make for quicker action, and since at the moment there is NO strat in WWI a no icon arena would simply illiminate one useful arena to accomodate a small number of guys that believe no icons makes them somehow better players than the rest.
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+1 Think its a very creative and easy way to give more to a game that really limits what we as players can enjoy. If indeed no icons brings the more serious players together then why not give it a go. The sides and aircraft choices need to be balanced so that one side does not over play the other, but in all with 4 arenas and only one being used most of the time no since in letting the others just rot. :headscratch:
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+1 Think its a very creative and easy way to give more to a game that really limits what we as players can enjoy. If indeed no icons brings the more serious players together then why not give it a go. The sides and aircraft choices need to be balanced so that one side does not over play the other, but in all with 4 arenas and only one being used most of the time no since in letting the others just rot. :headscratch:
LOL define "more serious players" if you mean guys that want a surprise advantage over others and are willing spend copious amounts of time to gain that advantage, then perhaps your right.
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LOL define "more serious players" if you mean guys that want a surprise advantage over others and are willing spend copious amounts of time to gain that advantage, then perhaps your right.
LOL more serious players :D, maybe I should have said players looking for a new and different type of challenge. I think creating a new advantage like hard to see enemies will add more flavor. If I am not mistaken that's one of the things that made dog fighting and this era so exciting. If camouflage/stealth had not been a problem in the WWI skies then there would have been no point in rear view mirrors or observers. Its just a simple add to an arena that is not being used at all. There can be no harm in one experiment whats the worst that can happen we make the game i.e ONE WWI arena slightly different and possibly more appealing and fun?
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Well those 20 + are fools leaving themselves with no targets to shoot at
The no icon crowed tends to "even up" the sides as the concept of No icons in of it self draws the player looking for a quality experience. The "air quake"
mentality generally doesn't exist.
Thinking ahead there will be more aircraft to choose from. Be confident. :cheers:
I have no objection to one of the WWI arenas being no icons, I just think you are being unrealistically optimistic about players self policing for side balance. The AvA supposedly drew people wanting a high class of game, but it did nothing to stop people from making the sides massively unbalanced.
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Nuts
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Not that I have any problem with the idea, I'd just prefer the AvA have a monopoly on the no-icon set up.
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Heheh the age old tactic of somehow making my position more "mature, real, skilled, etc etc", I just don't buy it. The fact that most folks perfer the icons in NO way (IMHO) makes them airquakers. Most have played this game for the action and anything that takes away from action (i.e consumes more time to get to action) is viewed as an annoyance. Icons and radar are simply in the game to make for quicker action, and since at the moment there is NO strat in WWI a no icon arena would simply eliminate one useful arena to accommodate a small number of guys that believe no icons makes them somehow better players than the rest.
Box I have been nothing but respectful in my posts sir. You slightly defencive and argumentative don't cha think? :headscratch:
If you re read my post you may see were you misunderstood the spirit of it.
I was responding to a reply, saying that there is a air quake mentality with they type of guys that would not even up the sides.
Not that all icon fliers are air Quaker's.
Please don't put words in my mouth and keep putting a negative spin on a reasonable request because YOU don't like the idea. This Idea isn't for you obviously.
like I said I have no problem if guys like to fly icons its a choice and a right and if you have a hard time with your eye's you like to have em. NO problem sir. :aok
But dint stop me from having a place to fly w/o icons that's my right too.
Like I said if you don't like it don't fly in there. I see no problem.
Most have played this game for the action and anything that takes away from action (i.e consumes more time to get to action) is viewed as an annoyance.
LOL :rock
Belive me Box there is more action and more adrenaline pumping with no icons... why the BLLLEP ya think I'm pushing it ...I'm a sim-ahlolic... I fly for the action. I join the side with less players so I can have more targets :x
No icons is all about action and excitement.
The way the WWI arenas are set up you can see the dots from your base just turn em off and check for your self.
since at the moment there is NO strat in WWI a no icon arena would simply illiminate one useful arena to accomodate a small number of guys that believe no icons makes them somehow better players than the rest.
There are 4 areans only one is being used. That has between 50-80 guys in it... your calling the other 3 useful? Hmm what are they being used for? There empty. let a few guys that like the imagery of the wwI aircraft play in an arena with Central power air craft fighting allied powers aircraft... bit more historically accurate ,an arena that has no icons making it much less cluttered and exiting to those that are drawn to that type of game play.
To each there own.
Some Like this
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii244/AHhub/aces%20high/ahss1.png)
Some Like this
(http://home.comcast.net/~husky3d/Camel-DR7.jpg)
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Not that I have any problem with the idea, I'd just prefer the AvA have a monopoly on the no-icon set up.
This Is about WWI I would think anything to help guys get turned onto no icons would help the AVA And As your not into WWI... well Ill get to you on coms :) ........Way to cover my six boss ;)
RaVe :salute
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Well Rave I reread your post and it sure looked like you were saying the "quality" experience is with no icons, and that those who didn't want no icons had an "air quake" mentality. I have no problem with your OPINION it is just when it is stated as FACT that I object. If I could see as well on the computer as I can in real life (warthogs fly over my house daily) I would have no problem with no icons, but the facts for me are that I cannot see the shapes like I can in real life and therefore need some type of "aid" to find the enemy and to maintain "SA".
This is the wish area so you have every right to wish for what you please, first one arena goes to no icons and then one goes to the strat guys and then one goes to the gv folks etc etc and then there is only ONE dogfighting arena which fills quickly.
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Great idea!
Of course it is only a great idea when the graphic of the plane at 400 yrds looks the same on my laptop (including size and detail) as seeing it in real life.....
Oh wait, someone want to buy me a 60 inch monitor? ;)
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Nr RaVeN,
Your choice of screenshots is a pretty crappy attempt to downplay the disadvantages of no icons. If you want to be seen as presenting a fair argument, you need to show the same shot, with and without icons. Showing one with icons with many other aircraft far away and one with two very close aircraft is disingenuous to put it mildly.
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I like the screenshot with the horde of red icons at 2k. That's barely over 1 mile's distance (danger close) and yet you can't see any of the ones near the ground at all. Just the icons show. The ones against the sky show as single dots.
I love how that illustrates the point perfectly.
P.S. Nobody is arguing you need icons when you're 25 yards from an enemy (as in your second choice of screenshot), at those ranges you're in the fight and you can figure things out. We're arguing that further out it is more than vital to have them. Even closing on a target up to 200 yards or so, you will have a hard time seeing any real detail without the aid of maxiumum zoom (which is not a real solution)
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With all do respect Mr K.......
:rofl WHAT? YOU KNOW FULL WELL that's a compresses jaggy screen shot Its a static screen shot as well.
Actually you can see them, as the dot's movement shows up very clearly , illustrating you haven't any first hand experience with it.
The dots show up very well against the ground in game at 2k. You can see the gun fire and explosions. Anybody with 3 days experience knows what there looking for.
I'm sure a smart guy like you could connect the dots(no pun intended)
With The WWI A C 2k is not Danger close pfft..
Kind of a cheap shot Krusty.
Based that it would not effect any other arena why bother posting anything read rule #4.
Its not like I'm requesting the MA be converted. you afraid pepole will like it so much it will change the sim and you will lose your icons?
That will never happen .
If theres a place were there is room to do it why not allow it?
Try it first theres no need to toss a grenade into a thread and be as unreasonable as some of you are about it.....
Again this would be a separate arena one out of 4, were only one is active now
Obviously wouldn't interest some of you that post on speculation rather than input based on first hand experience.
But there are many that would like this venue.
You posted
On the other hand, I do agree that seeing the screenshots thus far, it has been pretty cluttered.... Perhaps a "smaller" icon, or some minimal version of it for the WW1 arenas? Really clutters up the sky from the vids and pics I've seen.
NOT because the icons are bad, but because they are ugly as sin.
exactly and as a skinner you would think you would understand the imagery of WWI is totally trashed with them on
So Just turn them off in one arena just one arena, only one, 1, uno .
Do you think if I couldn't see or find a fight with icons off I would be actually promoting it?
Do you think I just want to fly around in circles? Think about it.. obviously it is fun to do, not at all difficult. I don't have a big monitor and I do just fine. Its fun :x
RaVe
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Great idea!
Of course it is only a great idea when the graphic of the plane at 400 yrds looks the same on my laptop (including size and detail) as seeing it in real life.....
Oh wait, someone want to buy me a 60 inch monitor? ;)
So wait, your lack of visual acuity is self imposed and it's all because of the program? Stop playing on a laptop, or hook it up to a bigger screen...you would be surprised at what you can see on a 22 inch monitor using the zoom function...I don't have much problem seeing what I need to see out to 800 yards...yes there are limitations, and they are based on the way objects are rendered, but within normal fighting ranges that you would encounter in any arena...you can very well see what you need to see.
If you want to complain about something, try the ambient lighting effects that don't match real life...that's what makes it difficult to spot other planes, painted or not, low on the deck regardless of what position the sun is in...unless you're very close.
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Like Rave said its one UNused arena. It that type of play is not for you then don't bother selecting it. I feel while we a are still in the early stages this type of game 'WW1' lets experiment and see if we can make it more appealing. Choice is not a bad thing for customers.
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Like Rave said its one UNused arena. It that type of play is not for you then don't bother selecting it. I feel while we a are still in the early stages this type of game 'WW1' lets experiment and see if we can make it more appealing. Choice is not a bad thing for customers.
but you have a choice, just turn icons off for you :rock
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but you have a choice, just turn icons off for you :rock
you also have a choice...bigger monitor would be the first... :rock
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I've hit on a very nice compromise for myself. Icons size 10. Enemy forest green, friendly turquoise.
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you also have a choice...bigger monitor would be the first... :rock
What??? my 20" is not big enough?? I thought you were the one who said in another thread that monitor size made no difference??
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but you have a choice, just turn icons off for you :rock
The point here is to wish for an arena that would be set where all players have to play by the same advantages/disadvantages pilot skill, tactics, luck and sight. Yes I know that some people still have crap for PC's and those people can still play in the arena with icons on and not miss a beat. I don't have a problem either way, I play with icons on when I'm in the MA arena (where everyone has them on so that I have the same competitive insight that the other players have), just would like to wish for an arena that took them off for all, it would create a slightly different challenge and add a bit more flavor to the WWI era.
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I've hit on a very nice compromise for myself. Icons size 10. Enemy forest green, friendly turquoise.
:aok I do this also, sky-blue friendly icons and different enemy icons depending what mood i'm in.
I think a good option would be that Icons turn them self off at 800yrds or less. So at long range you have icons but when they get close the icons turn themself off for you. I would definitely use a fuction like this if it were possible.
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What??? my 20" is not big enough?? I thought you were the one who said in another thread that monitor size made no difference??
LOL...I was being a smart arse to your "you have a choice" remark...and you eluded to the fact that you were using a small monitor in that other thread, not a 20!!!
Monitor size really doesn't make a difference if you know what you're doing...but like I also said, if you have trouble seeing things on a small monitor, get a bigger one don't make excuses for poor choices.
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Higher resolutions actualy make spotting dots harder. On a lower resolution screen the single pixel is more obvious than on a huge screen. So really smaller screen would make it easier to spot thing at a distance.
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Higher resolutions actualy make spotting dots harder. On a lower resolution screen the single pixel is more obvious than on a huge screen. So really smaller screen would make it easier to spot thing at a distance.
True, but they also make it harder to get information about heading and attitude once the object is no longer a dot.
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This is getting ridiculous.. some of you guys argue for the sake of being difficult and confrontational read Rule #4.
The flying no icons wish/concept is lost on you.... Lead, follow, or get out of the way.... your doing none of the above...
Listen up... flying no icons is plane and simple... EZ and fun...
Any fool can see a dot moving from left to right or up and down... you have informantion coming in from vox, you see tracers, you know who's base is who's, its very intuitive....
Once in range you can see and have all the info needed to adjust your position... Just like you do with icons on.
In no time you will learn by silhouette and gun site how far way the dot actually is.. :aok
The icon only gives your range not heading....
The gun site gives you your range too..... Its not dead on accurate but close enough for dog fighting adjustments, if you know how to read it.
After a short time you know by dot size what distance your at... :cool:
Its easy..... big monitor, Small monitor, equipment doesn't matter enough...... no excuses..... its a weak argument. :frown:
I have been fling no icons in many Sim's with crap equipment. Now I have good equipment. From first hand experience ....didn't mater.
Remember this obvious point that none of you naysayers seem to realize :old:
Your opponent knows as much as much about your heading, as you know about theres. It evens the field.
Flying no icons is very intuitive, its simple.
The heading, direction and and other info you need becomes very clear. Your focus is much more intense, Also and most important, the action is much more intense.
You think about this.... why would I recommend something boring and impossible to do? If it wasn't a blast I wouldn't request it.
I like action, no icons is INTENCE ACTION :x.
You become a hunter your not fishing in a barell any more...
Now I'm no great stick.. I don't claim to be. Its simply my feeling that its a better experience.
After many years of simming I got boared with icons now I like no icons much better. I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Why get in the way of guys that would like a set up like this for WWI? I'm not asking you to convert the MA
This wish is for a no icon WWI arena with the aircraft being correctly matched CPvAP. One out of 4 four arenas were 3 aren't being used. That simple.
To all the naysayers... if you have the back bone to honestly answer this simple question please do so..
How many hours of no Icon flight do you have under your belt ? ..................
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LOL...I was being a smart arse to your "you have a choice" remark...and you eluded to the fact that you were using a small monitor in that other thread, not a 20!!!
Monitor size really doesn't make a difference if you know what you're doing...but like I also said, if you have trouble seeing things on a small monitor, get a bigger one don't make excuses for poor choices.
Don't think I EVER stated my monitor size in the other thread, I simply said it makes a difference. I DID say my old eyes have problems picking up the dots (in FSO my squaddies always see the dots waaaaay before I pick em out). BTW you MUST run at least 1024 rez for high rez package.
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I see I'm getting no responce to my very direct question from the naysayers... ... conveniently avoiding the question speaks volumes........
Id recommend getting some experience under your belt before you squawk.... Pepole tend to mock what they don't understand.
Try it you'll like it :aok
RaVe
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It won't work, as I stated. The main reason it won't work has nothing to do with the no icons and everything to do with the Central Powers vs Allies aspect of it. I already explained that to you. You disagree, not much more to be said.
The discussion about icons here is more academic to my mind. Talking about the pros and cons of icons in flight sims and how much data is conveyed via a computer vs reality.
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Now no icons is academic? Hmm. I know initially you said you had no problem with No icons, yet later in the post you argued the fact.
I'm disingenuous?
Just because you explained CPvAP wont work to me doesn't make it a fact. I totally disagree with that.
You chose to avoid my Question. No need, your answer is obvious to me. You have no real hands on experience with the no icon environment there for no experience with the type of mind set it draws.
I don't find your argument credible. Its purely based on a speculated opinion.
Please don't take it as I don't find you credible as I don't know you. I'm sure your a great guy and a good honest person, but your not the final say in what will and wont work.
I cant speak for HTC,but if I were a betting man Id bet the likely hood of added WWI air craft is very high including bombers.
WWI many not interest everyone in this comunity, but there is a big WWI comunity out there.
HTC knows it. The addition of WWI is a totally new business opportunity for them. Opens up a new customer base. its about market share pepole. There is nothing wrong with that, its the American way.
The timeing is right to add WWI, its a hot topic in the flight sim comuity out side of AH.
They could grab the entire RoF comunity if they play their cards right, as its hanging in the balance at this moment.
As I explained to you spit 16 are off the chart, but you don't see every one grabbing one. Based on princel alone... many pepole will challenge themselves.
Most flying the NI environment are mature enough to maintain some sense of balance . It was happening in the AvA last week guys were swapping sides to even up.
Presumptions like yours are counter productive negative and oppressive.
Why scare folks off an idea that could be an asset to the sim and HTC?
Its something that is very enjoyable. If they build one of the 4 WWI areans to be set up as APvCP no enemy icons, It will get a following be sure.
Seems at this point we are chasing our tails, We should simply agree to disagree in good faith.
:salute
RaVe
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Ok Rave you convinced me lets try one arena with no icons, but don't look for me there :t
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Now no icons is academic? Hmm. I know initially you said you had no problem with No icons, yet later in the post you argued the fact.
I'm disingenuous?
Just because you explained CPvAP wont work to me doesn't make it a fact. I totally disagree with that.
Are you an idiot? Can you not read?
I said that the discussion was academic. In other words, I have no horse in the race. The discussion is interesting for itself. I did not argue the fact in my post that I have no issue with the "no icon" concept. You made that up.
I already pointing out that we have nothing to talk about in regards to CPvAP. You are naively optimistic about that, in my opinion based on my experience. You disagree. What more is to be said.
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lol. Myh lack of visual acuity is imposed by requirements of space and family. So maybe self-imposed.
I seem to not be able to find anywhere on the front page under system requirements where it says "If you don't have at least a 24" monitor running 100 fps then you will be severely handicapped playing against others."
Icons are more of a leveling field than no icons; it evens the playing field for those that can't afford or are otherwise unable to run large monitors. Otherwise the game turns into a race of the biggest and fastest have distinct advantages.
I would even go as far to say that requiring better hardware is against HTC's best interest. Those that have the bigger and better are normally more active players that are on all the time and use a lot more resources. Casual gamers like myself use a lot less server resources. HTC can comfortably support 10-15 players like myself compared the those more dedicated players. Yet I'm still paying the same amount per month and have been around as long as a decent percentage of the rest...
PS "Zoom function"? I don't recall them having those on WW1 aircraft....
So wait, your lack of visual acuity is self imposed and it's all because of the program? Stop playing on a laptop, or hook it up to a bigger screen...you would be surprised at what you can see on a 22 inch monitor using the zoom function...I don't have much problem seeing what I need to see out to 800 yards...yes there are limitations, and they are based on the way objects are rendered, but within normal fighting ranges that you would encounter in any arena...you can very well see what you need to see.
If you want to complain about something, try the ambient lighting effects that don't match real life...that's what makes it difficult to spot other planes, painted or not, low on the deck regardless of what position the sun is in...unless you're very close.
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Not having read through the latest stuff, I noticed one of Batfink's recent posts was here about dots and resolution.
It may be true that at the most extreme range, where every and any plane shows up only as a single pixel, that lower resolutions make that "one pixel" show up a bit more clearly.
HOWEVER, the drawback is that as soon as you get to the range where it becomes 2 pixels... or 3.. or 5, your lower resolution displays total crap as compared to higher resolutions. You can barely tell a plane 200 yards out if you're running at 640x480 as compared to running at 1280x1024.
It's like when they pixellate somebody's face on a TV show to hide their identity. All they're doing is reducing the resolution so that each "pixel" is larger -- and the end result obscures whatever you might want to make out.
Just wanted to mention that. Lower resolution good for spotting 10k dots, but not for IDing anything closer.
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lol. Myh lack of visual acuity is imposed by requirements of space and family. So maybe self-imposed.
I seem to not be able to find anywhere on the front page under system requirements where it says "If you don't have at least a 24" monitor running 100 fps then you will be severely handicapped playing against others."
Icons are more of a leveling field than no icons; it evens the playing field for those that can't afford or are otherwise unable to run large monitors. Otherwise the game turns into a race of the biggest and fastest have distinct advantages.
I would even go as far to say that requiring better hardware is against HTC's best interest. Those that have the bigger and better are normally more active players that are on all the time and use a lot more resources. Casual gamers like myself use a lot less server resources. HTC can comfortably support 10-15 players like myself compared the those more dedicated players. Yet I'm still paying the same amount per month and have been around as long as a decent percentage of the rest...
PS "Zoom function"? I don't recall them having those on WW1 aircraft....
I'm guessing you have a 15.3 inch laptop running a "video chip" with 256MB memory onboard and supplemental up to 1024MB with shared system memory depending how the video chip is set in the bios...none of the base model onboard chips are capable of running more than 256 textures regardless of resolution but, the better ones allow detailed terrain to be turned on...estimated cost $950 +/- retail depending on hardware configuration...same cost as my desktop with a 22 inch monitor that only gets 59fps and takes up a small space in a corner of 1 bedroom. It's not the size of the monitor so much as the capacity of the video card that makes the difference...and the difference is mostly in how easily objects are rendered, nothing more...the guy with 3 24inch monitors and a Track IR system is going to have the advantage in being able to see more than someone running a 15 inch monitor using the hatswitch for changing views...that's just a fact of life...but that is as far as the advantage goes.
Do you honestly believe..."Casual gamers use a lot less resources"...? and when each individual connects, they use less server resources than a more frequent player that uses desktop computer set up for gaming?...that's not even close to reality...more than 1/2 the active players, regardless of hardware, call themselves "casual gamers", you can see it in their stats listed as "time"...and since AH is a client/server application, each connection is nothing more than translational data to coordinate the input of each client...the heavy graphics are all handled by the client system, not the server...that's why HTC can "comfortably handle" several hundred connections on a single server without putting much of a load on it.
And the "zoom function" though not included in real life for any war as part of the basic loadout on humans at birth is included in AH to make up for the lack of realistic focal point vision and the accompanying visual acuity that humans use to identify distant objects...they didn't use a mouse and keyboard to fly airplanes in WWI either but that doesn't mean a thing in the cartoon skies of AH.
It may be true that at the most extreme range, where every and any plane shows up only as a single pixel, that lower resolutions make that "one pixel" show up a bit more clearly.
Just wanted to mention that. Lower resolution good for spotting 10k dots, but not for IDing anything closer.
That seems to be what everyone speaking out against no enemy icons is worried about...the distant dots. I don't think AH supports anything lower than 800x600 though...I've run it at 1024x768 on a 15inch monitor and aside from some of the in cockpit graphics not showing properly...it's not bad...FOV is narrow...aircraft silhouettes show a little jagged around the edges at all ranges...up close the details are a bit smudgy...even with 1024 textures.
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I'm guessing you have a 15.3 inch laptop running a "video chip" with 256MB memory onboard and supplemental up to 1024MB with shared system memory depending how the video chip is set in the bios...none of the base model onboard chips are capable of running more than 256 textures regardless of resolution but, the better ones allow detailed terrain to be turned on...estimated cost $950 +/- retail depending on hardware configuration...same cost as my desktop with a 22 inch monitor that only gets 59fps and takes up a small space in a corner of 1 bedroom. It's not the size of the monitor so much as the capacity of the video card that makes the difference...and the difference is mostly in how easily objects are rendered, nothing more...the guy with 3 24inch monitors and a Track IR system is going to have the advantage in being able to see more than someone running a 15 inch monitor using the hatswitch for changing views...that's just a fact of life...but that is as far as the advantage goes.
Yep, 15.4 wide, crappy Intel 945 chipset. Rest of the machine is decent with a Core 2Duo and 3 GB ram. Wasn't hard to figure that out since this class of video card representative of some 75% of all computers, desktop or laptop, 3-6 years ago. Also meaning a large portion of HTC customers. It should tell you something when HighTech specifically mentioned that the built in Intel cards would work correctly after the new graphics were released :aok
And I have a decent machine. 3 years ago it would have been considered a higher end one, capable of running EVE smoothly at highest resolution. Today it is a glorified VCR sitting in our bedroom, its hard drives full of children's videos is streams to other computers in the house. I know I'm at a disadvantage because I make a conscious decision to play where the rest of the family is rather than hiding in the back room, because I would rather pay for 6 months of pre-school or a year of dance classes for my 5 yr old than buy a new rig to play a GAME, because I play 10-12 hours a month rather than living on the machine. But at least I can play, which in the end is all any of us ask.
Want to really have fun? When my backlight died I got to play for a month on one of the netbooks we were evaluating for work; 8.4" is not enough screen :rofl
Do you honestly believe..."Casual gamers use a lot less resources"...? and when each individual connects, they use less server resources than a more frequent player that uses desktop computer set up for gaming?...that's not even close to reality...more than 1/2 the active players, regardless of hardware, call themselves "casual gamers", you can see it in their stats listed as "time"...and since AH is a client/server application, each connection is nothing more than translational data to coordinate the input of each client...the heavy graphics are all handled by the client system, not the server...that's why HTC can "comfortably handle" several hundred connections on a single server without putting much of a load on it.
Elementary my dear Watson. I play 10-15 hours a month. Many others play 5-10x that. I play mostly during non-peak hours (while the munchkin is winding down and preparing for bed), most "serious" players are on a peak. Simple math says that I have a lower load on the system simply because I AM NOT ON. Yet I pay the same amount a month even during the months I don't get to play at all....
And the "zoom function" though not included in real life for any war as part of the basic loadout on humans at birth is included in AH to make up for the lack of realistic focal point vision and the accompanying visual acuity that humans use to identify distant objects...they didn't use a mouse and keyboard to fly airplanes in WWI either but that doesn't mean a thing in the cartoon skies of AH.
So, you fully advocate a crunch as an excuse as to why its ok to cripple players that can't afford or otherwise use higher-end hardware and larger monitors :O That lack of detail and compensation for not being able to see as well in game as real life is exactly why I'm arguing against this idea!
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Still have 3 servers not being used, lets pray we have a little more choice then what we have now. I could understand everyones argument if we had to dismantel a highly populated/ successful server to give this a go, but my goodness folks we have NOTHING going on at the other servers! If if doesnt work out then just change it back to normal and let the server sit there and do nothing once again. :noid
For those that think they would not have fun in this type of arena either b/c of balance issues, or PC probs, just stay in the MA and nothing will change for you sheesh. :O
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@ Box.... :salute.. no worries Ill come find you in yours I like that arena and many of the great guys in there as well. :cheers:
@Karnak.. :huh.. enough with the name calling posts..between the disingenuous ,am I an idiot, and can I read? comments, I'm not going to reply to you further than this .... You know full well the undertone of your previous posts.
@ Kusty... :salute... That's true but at low res its not horrible, it is totally possible and the numbers running crap resolutions like that compared to the gamers that aren't is low. I did actually fly the 640x480 res.. granted 10 years ago. It didn't stop me. You learn to merge with more E until you get the SA needed to prevail. I stuck it out and when I could afored it I upgraded. I had to relearn all over again with the better equipment. at first it was a set back..I the adjusted to those resolutions. Ultimately its about a better looking sim experience with better equipment. But yes you can do well ruining lower res without question. I did it for years.
@Scatter.... :salute
The spirit of this thread was for choice were there is room for one With WWI AC..
AGAIN THE ARENA IS A BY CHOICE AREANA THIS IS NOT A DEBATE OVER CONVERTING AH TO NO ICONS ITS JUST ONE AREAN OUT OF 4 FOR WWI
The arena was a by choice wish arena for those that are into it. The guys that want a change from years of the same old same old.
Its real simple if you don't like or cant hang with this one out of 4 areans set up this way... don't fly it.
Why hold others back who can.
Beside the equipment doesn't mater as much as your all making out.
In fact we can all agree the dots show up better with lower res.
In other sims when holding matches for "TUSA", they would assign a guy to lower his res to be our spotter. He would radio in con numbers heading etc from the moon. This guy when he did engage had a really good kill score. Once in range to dog fight didn't mater his resolution He got the job done. That was No icons at all on both sides. This is from fist had experience, most of you are speaking from opinionated speculation.
Higher res makes it like any game, a more enjoyable eye pleasing experience. Most gamers have nice rigs and overclock the cards etc, for that reason.
If your Flying low res and are having a hard time don't use that arena. Do you want to hold the rest back that have invested the time and effort into good equipment and pull them down to your playing field because your not as into as they are and only play occasionally?
Should we conform to your lower standards?
@ Gyrene81.. :cheers:... Keep swinging we got em surrounded..
Still have 3 servers not being used, lets pray we have a little more choice then what we have now. I could understand everyones argument if we had to dismantel a highly populated/ successful server to give this a go, but my goodness folks we have NOTHING going on at the other servers! If if doesnt work out then just change it back to normal and let the server sit there and do nothing once again. :noid
For those that think they would not have fun in this type of arena either b/c of balance issues, or PC probs, just stay in the MA and nothing will change for you sheesh. :O
^ What He SAID ^ :cheers:
AGAIN THE ARENA IS A BY CHOICE AREANA THIS IS NOT A DEBATE OVER CONVERTING AH TO NO ICONS ITS JUST ONE AREAN OUT OF 4 FOR WWI
The arena is a by choice arena for those that are into it the guys that want a change from years of the same old same old.
If your not into that you have 3 other WWI areans and 5 other areans that have icons on for you and mixed plane sets Where's the problem??
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:x :airplane: :x
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Yep, 15.4 wide, crappy Intel 945 chipset. Rest of the machine is decent with a Core 2Duo and 3 GB ram. Wasn't hard to figure that out since this class of video card representative of some 75% of all computers, desktop or laptop, 3-6 years ago. Also meaning a large portion of HTC customers. It should tell you something when HighTech specifically mentioned that the built in Intel cards would work correctly after the new graphics were released :aok
Actually the intel 945 graphics chip is on the lower end and was only stock on business class and basic home models from some manufacturers...only stock retail boxed systems that were not in the "gaming" class of systems...it was never more than barely adequate for any 3D first person perspective games, it could barely run Call of Duty 2 or IL2 adequately. Even games like Civilization 3 and Rome Total War taxed it to the point of freezing up.
And I have a decent machine. 3 years ago it would have been considered a higher end one, capable of running EVE smoothly at highest resolution. Today it is a glorified VCR sitting in our bedroom, its hard drives full of children's videos is streams to other computers in the house. I know I'm at a disadvantage because I make a conscious decision to play where the rest of the family is rather than hiding in the back room, because I would rather pay for 6 months of pre-school or a year of dance classes for my 5 yr old than buy a new rig to play a GAME, because I play 10-12 hours a month rather than living on the machine. But at least I can play, which in the end is all any of us ask.
You're all over the place there...you have a laptop and at least 2 desktops in your house...and 1 desktop could run AH better than that laptop with a simple video card upgrade, much less than a new system :headscratch: ...I have a 6 year old system that runs AH, with lower settings than my gaming rig obviously...but if I wanted to run AH on my old rig with better settings, all I need to do is buy a better video card. But, in computer terms...3 years is outdated...regardless of how well it runs the operating system or old programs.
Simple math says that I have a lower load on the system simply because I AM NOT ON. Yet I pay the same amount a month even during the months I don't get to play at all....
That's not simple math, it's basic physics...you can't put any load on a computer that your not interacting in some manner with. When you do connect to one of the arena's you put the same load on it that everyone else does.
So, you fully advocate a crunch as an excuse as to why its ok to cripple players that can't afford or otherwise use higher-end hardware and larger monitors :O That lack of detail and compensation for not being able to see as well in game as real life is exactly why I'm arguing against this idea!
The zoom function is hardly a crutch (or crunch ;) )...and I already stated specifically what it compensates for, nothing to do with higher end hardware or larger monitors...for people who have their default head position set back away from the instrument panel to keep a good FOV inside the cockpit and not have some gauges out of sight, using the zoom function is a fast way to get close to the gunsight and see where the bullets are going when it comes time to fire...and if you don't have it set in a manner that you are comfortable with, it can be very detrimental trying maintain SA while shooting at another plane.
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I see I'm getting no responce to my very direct question from the naysayers... ... conveniently avoiding the question speaks volumes........
Id recommend getting some experience under your belt before you squawk.... Pepole tend to mock what they don't understand.
Try it you'll like it :aok
RaVe
How about a direct response from me.
It's not going to happen.
Is that direct enough?
HiTech
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I don't quite understand the abrupt tone....I certainly dont feel the tone or spirit of my wish or the way it was presented by me was deserving of that type of response.
Yet it was what I was hoping for a one way or the other from the top. Also saves lots of time going peepee into the wind.
I'm curious what is the reasoning behind that? I'm sure you have a good reason. Could you educate and enlighten your customer base please?
Thanks RaVe
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I don't quite understand the abrupt tone....I certainly dont feel the tone or spirit of my wish or the way it was presented by me was deserving of that type of response.
Yet it was what I was hoping for a one way or the other from the top. Also saves lots of time going peepee into the wind.
I'm curious what is the reasoning behind that? I'm sure you have a good reason. Could you educate and enlighten your customer base please?
Thanks RaVe
Sorry for abrupt tone, I'm in a pissy mood today.
HiTech
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Well guess they have more plans for the other unused servers. HiTech any reason this tpe of play wont be considered on an unused server? Thanks for your time.
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No worries. All is well. Was just wondering :aok
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Sorry for abrupt tone, I'm in a pissy mood today.
HiTech
LOL I have had alot those days lately :) keep swinging bud it gets better sooner or later, as an old Vermont farmer told me long ago "it can't rain EVERY day" :old:
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Nr RaVeN,
I don't know what the burr under your saddle is, but you insulted me, then you get upset when I call you on it? Grow up. I was not rude to you in any way until you decided to get nasty with me.
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I didn't realise I was rude to you. My apologies, no offence intended. Your comment about me being "disingenuous" came first that insulted me. That was the trigger on this end. Perhaps I took it the wrong way and fired back to quick. I think I simply said your argument wasn't credible because it wasn't based on experience. It wasn't meant as personal attack. I try to be non confrontational. Sorry for the mix up.
Some time in chat things could come out wrong the "oh come on man" tone could come off like Screw you bleepbadeepleep" no worries, I don't have anything against you at all. I have no hard feelings toward you and hope you feel the same :cheers: