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Title: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: jolly22 on March 19, 2010, 10:59:55 PM
small bug i believe, Bushlt landed 176 kills in an F6F, im pretty sure he didnt get all those kills, haha, no pics though, sorry
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Nemisis on March 19, 2010, 11:07:23 PM
Possible with a rearm or if he was getting a hell of a lot of proxy kills, but I don't buy it.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Messiah on March 19, 2010, 11:08:37 PM
lol
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: 76646 on March 19, 2010, 11:09:27 PM
Nah. He said himself it was a bug.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Lusche on March 19, 2010, 11:11:22 PM
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,285850.0.html
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: jolly22 on March 19, 2010, 11:30:54 PM
OK, i was lookin for a post by him and couldnt find nothin, so i just made my own, go ahead and delete this skuzzy.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Spikes on March 19, 2010, 11:49:37 PM
Lol. I wonder why people actually think he killed 175 people.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: MachFly on March 19, 2010, 11:50:26 PM
Lol. I wonder why people actually think he killed 175 people.

you never know...     :old:
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: WMLute on March 20, 2010, 12:05:40 AM
rare buff gunner bug that seems to be still around.

BushLT was talking about it w/ me on 200 before he landed.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: gyrene81 on March 20, 2010, 12:21:35 AM
I'm so glad it's just a bug...I happened to look at the text buffer when he landed it...  :O  :huh  :eek:  had me thinking Bush found a way to enable godmode.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Banshee7 on March 20, 2010, 12:23:58 AM
I'm so glad it's just a bug...I happened to look at the text buffer when he landed it...  :O  :huh  :eek:  had me thinking Bush found a way to enable godmode.

.join Banshee7 usually works
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: gyrene81 on March 20, 2010, 12:27:18 AM
.join Banshee7 usually works
  :lol   :neener:  I'll try that some time.  :rofl
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Kazan_HB on March 20, 2010, 04:21:20 AM
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,229836.0.html :x
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: uptown on March 20, 2010, 09:11:04 AM
he's just that uber  :D
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: The Fugitive on March 20, 2010, 09:19:00 AM
I wonder why somebody would "worry" enough about the number of kills to post it on the message boards.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: doc1kelley on March 20, 2010, 09:58:58 AM
I wonder why somebody would "worry" enough about the number of kills to post it on the message boards.  :rolleyes:

Well you have to admit that it is a little out of the ordinary, with the exception of somebody vultching a second account.  I would think that most would assume that it was somebody doing just that to pad their score as it's been exposed many times and that would be the most common reason for somebody to "worry enough" about it.  But knowing BushLT as I have for many years, I would have known that it had to be a BUG.  Oh and lo and behold... BushLT posted about the thing in the BUGS forum and is where the original post on this should have been posted anyways.

All the Best...

     Jay
  awDoc1
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: The Fugitive on March 20, 2010, 10:29:04 AM
Well you have to admit that it is a little out of the ordinary, with the exception of somebody vultching a second account.  I would think that most would assume that it was somebody doing just that to pad their score as it's been exposed many times and that would be the most common reason for somebody to "worry enough" about it.  But knowing BushLT as I have for many years, I would have known that it had to be a BUG.  Oh and lo and behold... BushLT posted about the thing in the BUGS forum and is where the original post on this should have been posted anyways.

All the Best...

     Jay
  awDoc1

And thats the point I'm trying to make. Those that worry about score worry about this crap. Score is very easily manipulated and is a marker of nothing but how well a person can tweak his score. This game use to be about getting in a fight and shooting the other guy down and then limping home in your beat up plane, or going head to head with another squad and fighting over a base for hours and logging off pleasantly exhausted from such a battle.

Today too many people worry about their scores as well as everyone elses.  :(
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: uptown on March 20, 2010, 10:38:41 AM
It's a good thing this did happen to BushLt and not some 2week guy. Could you imagine the upheaval?!  :lol The witch hurt would be on and a lengthy investigation into who this guy is would ensue.  :lol

The poor guy would think we're all nuts and never return to play again.  :eek:
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Jayhawk on March 20, 2010, 10:43:36 AM
It's a good thing this did happen to BushLt and not some 2week guy. Could you imagine the upheaval?!  :lol The witch hurt would be on and a lengthy investigation into who this guy is would ensue.  :lol

The poor guy would think we're all nuts and never return to play again.  :eek:

haha

145695 Landed 178 kills in a Spitfire XVI

WHAT!?!?
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: SunBat on March 20, 2010, 11:37:47 AM
If anyone could do it Bush could.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: grizz441 on March 20, 2010, 11:53:53 AM
If you look up Bush's stats you'll see, sure enough, he has 171 kills on stiletto in the gunner position.   :lol
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: doc1kelley on March 20, 2010, 12:03:02 PM
And thats the point I'm trying to make. Those that worry about score worry about this crap. Score is very easily manipulated and is a marker of nothing but how well a person can tweak his score. This game use to be about getting in a fight and shooting the other guy down and then limping home in your beat up plane, or going head to head with another squad and fighting over a base for hours and logging off pleasantly exhausted from such a battle.

Today too many people worry about their scores as well as everyone elses.  :(

I have to agree with ya 100% about worrying about score!  Besides channel 200 in this game, Score is the next worst thing in here.

All the Best...

   Jay
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: fudgums on March 20, 2010, 12:07:35 PM
Grizz couldn't even land a 100.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Lusche on March 20, 2010, 12:12:00 PM
This game use to be about getting in a fight and shooting the other guy down and then limping home in your beat up plane, or going head to head with another squad and fighting over a base for hours and logging off pleasantly exhausted from such a battle.

Today too many people worry about their scores as well as everyone elses.  :(

Being curious... what time are you referring to when you say it "used to be" different than today?
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: grizz441 on March 20, 2010, 12:46:46 PM
Grizz couldn't even land a 100.  :rolleyes:

You shush, it will be done :)

Toughest part is most fights seem to only have a lifespan of about an hour.  It takes about 4-5 hours to do.   :(
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: 68ZooM on March 20, 2010, 12:53:33 PM
You shush, it will be done :)

Toughest part is most fights seem to only have a lifespan of about an hour.  It takes about 4-5 hours to do.   :(

And your the person to do it thats for sure, always fun to watch grizz and company play
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: crazyivan on March 20, 2010, 01:35:37 PM
rare buff gunner bug that seems to be still around.

BushLT was talking about it w/ me on 200 before he landed.
Word, he said so on 200. Nothing else to say but wtg LtBush. That gunner got owned!
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: SunBat on March 20, 2010, 01:57:29 PM
. That gunner got owned!

LOL!  1337pwn
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: The Fugitive on March 20, 2010, 03:10:56 PM
Being curious... what time are you referring to when you say it "used to be" different than today?

oh around tour 25-35 maybe. I had come over from AW and a good pile of my squad (444th Air Mafia) had come over as well. Squad nights were twice a week, Wednesday and Saturday, getting a different group of mobster each night (not all could make one night or the other, so we had two. Imagine that accommodating things for squadmates. Now its be at squad night or else, and don't switch sides or else  :rolleyes: ) We would run base capture missions using buffs AND fighters, sometimes GVs all in co-ordination. Or we would defend assigning some folks to GVs and others for hvy fighters to hit ammo or break spawn camps to get defenders out. everyone followed orders and we switched it up some nobody got stuck doing things they didn't have FUN doing.

We would fight many different squads widowmakers comes to mind, but they may have been in AW but they were a tuff fight. LTARS where unbelievable back then. When they hooked up with an air group it was a heck of a fight all night to hold them off.  12 guys up for squad night was a big night. If we were rolling bases we would split and have a group (3 -4) deack and kill ammo at one base while the rest of us worked on taking a different base making 2 battles. It didn't matter how many bases you took, it was the fight for the base that was a blast. Covering your squadmates butt and trying to get everyone back to base was the ultimate in teamwork.

Today its everyone up in xxxx plane and kill the town and vulch the field. Great plan, great tactics. Secondary mission is to regroup if they defend and we will hit a base on the other side of the map  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Kazaa on March 20, 2010, 06:23:59 PM
100 A2A kills in a single sortie would be a huge feat for sure.

Make sure you record it.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: trax1 on March 20, 2010, 08:10:57 PM
I wonder why somebody would "worry" enough about the number of kills to post it on the message boards.  :rolleyes:
It's not being posted to be like, wow look how uber this guy is getting that many kills, it was more like this is funny.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: The Fugitive on March 20, 2010, 10:12:32 PM
It's not being posted to be like, wow look how uber this guy is getting that many kills, it was more like this is funny.

I took it more as "look this guy is cheating!"
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: bravoa8 on March 20, 2010, 10:19:37 PM
Grizz couldn't even land a 100.  :rolleyes:
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Nemisis on March 20, 2010, 10:22:07 PM
Fugitive, it seems you take everything that doesn't contribute to the game in any way shape or form as a whine, complaint, or accusation of cheating. But thats just what I've observed over several months, so I could be wrong.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: froger on March 20, 2010, 11:17:45 PM
Fugitive, it seems you take everything that doesn't contribute to the game in any way shape or form as a whine, complaint, or accusation of cheating. But thats just what I've observed over several months, so I could be wrong.

 :cry
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: The Fugitive on March 21, 2010, 08:24:07 AM
Fugitive, it seems you take everything that doesn't contribute to the game in any way shape or form as a whine, complaint, or accusation of cheating. But thats just what I've observed over several months, so I could be wrong.

And 90% of the posts made on these boards are just that, whines, complaints, or accusations of cheating. With my posts, I try to point out how little THOSE posts mean in the game.

Someone whines about their GV getting bombed, thats why you have buddies who drive ostys and wirbles...for protection.
Someone whines about shooting thru the hills, learn how to park your GV to advantage.
Someone whines about about having a gunner in their buff that sucks, gun your own plane.
Someone whines about somebody landing 157 kills in an F6, lucky him! the important part of that was did he have fun? my guess is he laughed his butt off as I have done when it happened to me a couple of times.

See what I'm saying, most things really aren't worth complaining about. Most can be taken care of by those doing the complaining IF they just put a bit of time and effort into what they are doing. Last night a "kid" was complaining about not getting any "check 6's". Easy solution, practice checking your own 6 every second or two and you live longer.

Your still new here and everything still looks nice and shiny to you. If you stick around long enough you'll start to see the stains on this game, and the rot that is undermining the poor game play. This game is awesome with a ton of challenges to over come as well as challenges in game play itself. The human element is what "should" make this game never ending and different each flight, because no 2 people will approach a fight or use a tactic, or strategy in the same way. Most of todays players have the need of instant gratification so won't spend the time to get better at the game and just follow the crowd instead. These are the same people who complain about petty things on these boards because they "believe" they are getting ahead of then in the game.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: RumbleB on March 21, 2010, 11:28:21 AM
And thats the point I'm trying to make. Those that worry about score worry about this crap. Score is very easily manipulated and is a marker of nothing but how well a person can tweak his score. This game use to be about getting in a fight and shooting the other guy down and then limping home in your beat up plane, or going head to head with another squad and fighting over a base for hours and logging off pleasantly exhausted from such a battle.

Today too many people worry about their scores as well as everyone elses.  :(

Sometimes people find enjoyment in the competition. We can't all be wired the exact same way.
It's not wrong to find pleasure in landing a couple of kills. Doesn't mean there wasn't pleasure in attaining the kills as well.

The scoring system in Aces high is wack though so people shouldn't be concerned with it.


and if someone was getting 175 kills by cheating then YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNED.. whether you care about score/kills or not.. because if someone is cheating then it's gonna effect your gameplay.

I get as tired of "purists" as I do of pacerr type players.

You can balance it you know...
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: BaldEagl on March 21, 2010, 11:45:48 AM
I wonder why somebody would "worry" enough about the number of kills to post it on the message boards.  :rolleyes:

Oh please.  You don't see where someone landing 175 kills would be curious?   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Nemisis on March 21, 2010, 12:10:48 PM
I can see where you're coming from, but telling someone to learn to possition their GV is just telling someone to game the game. As a GV'er, it can be verry annoying when someone's in a tiger with his barrel and sights though a hill, and camping the spawn, yet offering no shot at himself.


And I hate those "thanks for the check 6 guys!!!!" players as well. If they're to lazy to check 6, its their own damn fault when a Hurricane Mk1 shoots their wing off.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Zoney on March 21, 2010, 12:25:40 PM
And I hate those "thanks for the check 6 guys!!!!" players as well. If they're to lazy to check 6, its their own damn fault when a Hurricane Mk1 shoots their wing off.

I guess I am confused, you hate guys that thank you when you give them a check 6?
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: grizz441 on March 21, 2010, 12:33:07 PM
I guess I am confused, you hate guys that thank you when you give them a check 6?

No, some players give a sarcastic h8 filled response of 'THX FOR THE CHECK6!!!"
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: The Fugitive on March 21, 2010, 02:31:28 PM
Oh please.  You don't see where someone landing 175 kills would be curious?   :rolleyes:

Curious, sure, but unimportant as well. It's not important to me how many any one else lands. Whether they "cheat"  :rolleyes: game the game, are are the best cartoon pilot there ever was, it's not going to make me any better or any worst a player. Nor will it mess with my enjoyment of the game... unless they ARE the best cartoon pilot and I keep running into him  :D

Rumble,

This game is all about competition, unfortunately a lot of people believe that means to have the "bestest" score, or land the biggest number of kills. Were as the competition should be on the fight whether thats in a plane a GV or a mission grabbing a base.

Nemisis,

positioning a tank isn't gaming the game. It's know where to park to have a good angle to deflect shots off your hull, as well as using the terrain to hide your tank from likely tank shots. Kilz tried to teach me a few things, but I'm much like his tank...too thick to get it  :D I understand the pricables, but have a hard time putting them into practice. 
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Bosco123 on March 21, 2010, 03:28:24 PM
Everyone remember's the 400 kills guy. lol
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Nemisis on March 21, 2010, 08:52:27 PM
Nemisis,

positioning a tank isn't gaming the game. It's know where to park to have a good angle to deflect shots off your hull, as well as using the terrain to hide your tank from likely tank shots. Kilz tried to teach me a few things, but I'm much like his tank...too thick to get it  :D I understand the pricables, but have a hard time putting them into practice.


Srry sir, I thought you meant that they too should learn how to get their barrel and sight through a hill, but not their hull. And does the game modle the angle of armor? Or is it the same thickess regardless of if its at 90degrees, or 30 degrees?

It seems to vary at time: I've hit a T-34/76 from on top of a hill so my shells were landing flat against his armor, but every damn shot was a richochet.

And I've taken 7 hits dead on in a panzer, yet when the armor would be sloped (turn my hull so that the side is slightly exposed, creating a slope. Think of an Isosceles triangle, is it thickest facing the vertex angle, or on one of the sides?), I've gotten instant killed by a T-34/76 at 1500 yds out.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: 321BAR on March 21, 2010, 09:00:50 PM
nemesis its like what you said. the angle doesnt matter in game. hit the T34 dead on in the armor and it will ping still
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: fudgums on March 21, 2010, 09:09:58 PM
No, some players give a sarcastic h8 filled response of 'THX FOR THE CHECK6!!!"

Grizz you needed one with that one con took out your engine when you ditched your 262? right?  :x  :D
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Nemisis on March 21, 2010, 09:14:22 PM
thats just dumb then. So if you're hitting the frontal armor of a tiger at 20degrees, then its the same thickness as it is at 90degrees (head on)?
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: 321BAR on March 21, 2010, 09:23:22 PM
should be. or at least thats how ive seen it for the last 8 years of my life
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: grizz441 on March 22, 2010, 01:05:49 AM
Grizz you needed one with that one con took out your engine when you ditched your 262? right?  :x  :D

u shut nao.   :)

batfink is working on a tribute video to that run, stay tuned.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Bucky73 on March 22, 2010, 09:51:12 AM
Bushlt is hands down the best player in the game so I don't see how this would be out of the ordinary.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: The Fugitive on March 22, 2010, 04:37:44 PM
thats just dumb then. So if you're hitting the frontal armor of a tiger at 20degrees, then its the same thickness as it is at 90degrees (head on)?

Check this Tank thread (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,263279.msg3274592.html#msg3274592) The youtube video is still up, and Hitech says it's pretty much our tanks are done as well.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 22, 2010, 05:26:23 PM


Rumble,

This game is all about competition, unfortunately a lot of people believe that means to have the "bestest" score, or land the biggest number of kills. Were as the competition should be on the fight whether thats in a plane a GV or a mission grabbing a base.

Like the player that is currently #1 in the Mid-War arena? 

ack-ack
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Nemisis on March 22, 2010, 06:48:45 PM
Yes, I've seen the video before Fugitive. And I don't buy that our damage model takes into account the effect angling the armor has on the thickness. Maybe as far as the likelyhood of a ricochet, but not a chance in hell a T-34 could get one-shot-kill on a panzer's side armor angled at probably 20 degrees from 1500yds out if it modled how thick the armor was at a certian angle.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: The Fugitive on March 22, 2010, 06:54:19 PM
Yes, I've seen the video before Fugitive. And I don't buy that our damage model takes into account the effect angling the armor has on the thickness. Maybe as far as the likelyhood of a ricochet, but not a chance in hell a T-34 could get one-shot-kill on a panzer's side armor angled at probably 20 degrees from 1500yds out if it modled how thick the armor was at a certian angle.

obviously you know more about how the game is programmed than the guy who programmed it.  :rolleyes:

Why would Hitech lie? If his damage model isn't as good as those then "everybody" will leave? I don't think so.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Nemisis on March 22, 2010, 07:01:05 PM
IDK what he meant by the damage model taking into account the angle of the armor. Maybe he meant as far as the likelyhood of a ricochet, but maybe I'm just being paranoid.
Title: Re: 175 kills?!?!
Post by: Nwbie on March 23, 2010, 05:59:27 AM
I give this thread a 6.5.
It took 2.5 pages to become a purse fight.
Back in the old days....1.5 pages was pushing the envelope.

 :old: