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Title: Soft Gun
Post by: stickpig on April 19, 2010, 12:03:31 AM
Always wondered..... Why is it called that?
Does it fire the same caliber as auto ack? You can take a couple hits from the auto ack, but a hit from the soft gun will take a plane down.

Always wondered about that.

Thanks
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: Yeager on April 19, 2010, 12:09:29 AM
Because it is easy to kill.
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: MachFly on April 19, 2010, 12:25:42 AM
I believe the soft gun fires 30mm rounds, and the auto ack fires either 20mm or 50cal. But don't quote me as I never use them.
Soft gun also takes 15min to re-up while the auto ack takes 45min.
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: 1701E on April 19, 2010, 12:34:51 AM
"Always wondered..... Why is it called that?"

Guessing but likely due to there is "Hard gun" and "soft gun".  CV 5" gun is considered a "Hard gun", and the guns on fields (clearly less durable) are "soft guns".


"Does it fire the same caliber as auto ack?"

Soft-gun fires 37mm rounds, and I think (but far from sure) that Auto is 20mm.
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: AirFlyer on April 19, 2010, 12:47:06 AM
Could of swore the Autos were .50's (12.7mm), I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: Krusty on April 19, 2010, 01:44:58 AM
You are wrong.

Airfields guns with the single barrel are 37mm (same as on the Ostwind). CVs have some quad 40mm mounts along the side of the tower, and the escort ships have a lot of single 20mm mounts (like you see on the PT boat).

Hard guns refer to hardened positions, armor-covered guns. Therefore a gun without this must be "soft," no?

Not sure it's an official WW2 term, but it's a logical description. That had to call it something.
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: AirFlyer on April 19, 2010, 02:17:00 AM
You are wrong.

Airfields guns with the single barrel are 37mm (same as on the Ostwind). CVs have some quad 40mm mounts along the side of the tower, and the escort ships have a lot of single 20mm mounts (like you see on the PT boat).

Hard guns refer to hardened positions, armor-covered guns. Therefore a gun without this must be "soft," no?

Not sure it's an official WW2 term, but it's a logical description. That had to call it something.

I was referring to the airfield guns that shoot automatically(autos), not the manned-guns that people can occupy. I'm not sure if this a bit of confusion or not but I know for a fact that the autos aren't 37mms or getting close to a field would be tantamount to suicide. Even 20mm seems like a stretch considering my A6M can often survive multiple hits from auto guns.
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: Krusty on April 19, 2010, 10:51:52 AM
Ah, the AI controlled are 20mm.

Sorry I misunderstood.
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: OOZ662 on April 20, 2010, 05:33:31 AM
I believe at one point mannable acks took less ordinance to destroy compared to the auto-acks. Not sure if that's still the case.
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: Krusty on April 20, 2010, 09:47:15 AM
Only takes a cannon round or two. "hard" guns on ships, on the other hand? They take bombs. Hence "hard" targets vs "soft" ones.
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: dedalos on April 20, 2010, 09:52:48 AM
The gun is soft.  The cells are hard  :rofl
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: Reschke on April 20, 2010, 04:34:02 PM
Only takes a cannon round or two. "hard" guns on ships, on the other hand? They take bombs. Hence "hard" targets vs "soft" ones.

That isn't entirely accurate either since I have destroyed "hard" guns on on ships with the 75mm mounted on a B-25 before. Yes I die doing it more times than not but I have done it.
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: Krusty on April 20, 2010, 04:56:41 PM
That isn't entirely accurate either since I have destroyed "hard" guns on on ships with the 75mm mounted on a B-25 before. Yes I die doing it more times than not but I have done it.

Of course, that 75mm has the explosive power of a rocket or two, or a small bomb. It's not quite comparable to "guns" normally.
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: Traveler on April 20, 2010, 11:18:15 PM
Soft Guy = Soft Target=easy to kill.   Its not auto ack, it doesn't fire at you unless someone is in the position, there for while unmaned it's considered a Soft target.  Buildings in the town, once the town ack is down, are Soft Targets.
A C47 would be considered a Soft target.
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: Forker on April 21, 2010, 06:37:06 PM
From Hammer's Web Site:

(http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af163/Carey_1/th_Targettype.jpg) (http://s1004.photobucket.com/albums/af163/Carey_1/?action=view&current=Targettype.jpg)
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: OOZ662 on April 21, 2010, 06:49:50 PM
That table is misleading as it only lists the smallest bomb you can use to destroy the object. The hardness could be 10lb, but since we don't have a 10lb bomb, it would list the 100lb bomb as "hardness."

It's further confused by the fact that our bombs don't do the "listed" amount of damage. As you get larger in bomb weight, the damage-to-weight ratio gets wider. The 100lb bomb does close to 100lbs of damage, but the 1,000lb bomb does something like 850-900, IIRC.
Title: Re: Soft Gun
Post by: W7LPNRICK on April 22, 2010, 02:38:51 AM
Soft Gun means Not Armored or Non concrete reinforced as some permanent guns were. That is ALL soft means. It implies it is easy to move or remount when taken out.  :old: