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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: waystin2 on April 19, 2010, 02:48:28 PM
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We GV'ers love you HTC! Thank you waffle! :aok
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:banana:
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:aok
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I'm not too familiar with this. Was it even remotely common? :headscratch:
Looks like it'll be great for towns, though!
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I'm not too familiar with this. Was it even remotely common? :headscratch:
Looks like it'll be great for towns, though!
Seriously? :rofl Krusty made a funny... :lol ... :rofl ... :lol
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I'm not too familiar with this. Was it even remotely common? :headscratch:
Looks like it'll be great for towns, though!
There were many common specialized varients of the M4; flame throwers, rocket launchers, mine destroyers, etc.
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Hooray!
Not much of a GV'er in game but I've always had a bit of a soft spot for the 'ol Sherman.
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I'm not too familiar with this. Was it even remotely common? :headscratch:
Looks like it'll be great for towns, though!
I assume you are talking about the T-34 Calliope variant? It saw combat in late 44-45. Still trying to find info on how many were made. Cool ain't she? :banana:
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That rocket launcher sure looks interesting.
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Definitely interesting!
I was passingly familiar with the flame throwers, mine destroyers, and some other variants. I'd even guessed they had rockets as well, but such a giant framework was surprising when I checked the main page. :lol
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but such a giant framework was surprising when I checked the main page. :lol
At first glance I thought "Wow, they had solar powered tanks in the war!" :lol
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Do I count 60 rockets! sure should be a town killer extra ordnaire.............. perk the rocket loadout!
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Sweet!
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wow, that 50 cal sits high up on that turret. never noticed that before in pictures. looks great!
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thats not rockets
its a Beer chiller
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wow, that 50 cal sits high up on that turret. never noticed that before in pictures. looks great!
That's because it's not operated by a guy sitting in a hatch, it's usually some poor schmuck standing on top of the tank firing it.
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first thing i saw on the website when i got home from school im like YAY! lol cant wait!!! :rock :rock :rock :O :O :salute
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i hate u M4A3! i will personally seek out and destroy all who operate an enjoy them. hope u got good aim squares
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That's because it's not operated by a guy sitting in a hatch, it's usually some poor schmuck standing on top of the tank firing it.
yea i just remembered that, would like to see a "Poor Schmuck" modeled on back to turn into hamburger helper.
Anyone want to start throwing out their picks for the AC/GV to released with the M4A3? My money is on the Ki-43
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Thank you HTC for yet another wonderful work. I can't wait to drive the old Sherman and blast a town with that Calliope Launcher. :aok
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T34_Calliope
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!! :aok :aok
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Are you sure that's a rocket launcher system? Looks like a canopy for those margarita sundown chillin nights. :D
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Depending on the elevation level, I see the Calliope as being my new 114mm flak battery for defending airfields. :D
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T34 Calliope
Mounted on a M4 Sherman the T34 rocket launcher had 60 tubes that fired a 4.5 inch rocket to a maximum effective range of 3900 yards.
A problem with the T34 was tube life, the tubes started to break up after only four salvoes and tube life was only 15 to 20 salvoes. The rockets could be fired singly or in salvo, ALL 60 ROCKETS could be fired in 30 SECONDS, and each round impacted with the equivalency of a 105mm round.
The Calliope's elevation worked off the elevation of the main gun and the main gun could not be fired as long as the Calliope was attached. The T34 could be jettisoned hydraulically in a matter of seconds however.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n88/Hagen_01/T-34-rocket-launcher-France.jpg)
(http://soldadosyuniformes.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/m4-a1-sherman-con-t-34-calliope-mrl-a-co-40-batallon-de-tanques-14-div-de-blindados-obermodern-alemania-marzo-de-1945.jpg)
EDIT:didnt have AA rockets :(
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Does that mean it was reloaded in the field and refired? Or just in general the tube life was that short?
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EDIT:didnt have AA rockets :(
Won't stop me from trying. :D
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probley reloaded in the feild but fired only a few more times idk i copied and pasted that lol :uhoh :bolt: ,note that the calliope could be removed during battle
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I can't wait to bring that to an airfield and camp a runway :)
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havent been in game yet! so i have not seen it yet????
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havent been in game yet! so i have not seen it yet????
It will be in the next AH version.
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YES!!! YESYESYES!!!! now i wanna me M-18 :cry :lol all good though a GV is a GV! TY HTC!!!!
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A true workhorse! when will we c das panther! :aok
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It will be in the next AH version.
cc guess i haven't found that link or thread yet!
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75mm what is that comparable to in game looks like a short barrel?
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75mm what is that comparable to in game looks like a short barrel?
Its on he HOme page refresh your browser
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Its on he HOme page refresh your browser
thanks Sweet WTG!!! :aok
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Will the colliope be allowed on every tank? and how will this affect the performance of the tank? personally i'll drive em without the rockets
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:rock
36 rocket tubes on top, 24 on the bottom.
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Will the colliope be allowed on every tank? and how will this affect the performance of the tank? personally i'll drive em without the rockets
Doesn't work that way. It's specific to the model it's built into. Whether they go back and recode the rest? That's additional work. Possible... but more likely this is a loadout just for this model.
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thats not rockets
its a Beer chiller
no...it's a BEER LAUNCHER DUNDUNDUN
Will ther be a sight for these rockets?
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I predict M3's with vehicle supplies will be in high demand.
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I see it comes with an axe to cut firewood at the campsite :x
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Somebody comes to vulch you in a b25h or Il2 and you let all 60 go :x
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The Calliope's elevation worked off the elevation of the main gun and the main gun could not be fired as long as the Calliope was attached. The T34 could be jettisoned hydraulically in a matter of seconds however.
We would be able to use the main gun to aim the rockets? If so, that would be so much better than the guess and pray method with the SdKfz 251.
ack-ack
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yes Thank you, not only do I have another GV to blast up, but something to drive in the rare instances I want to go GVing
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yes Thank you, not only do I have another GV to blast up, but something to drive in the rare instances I want to go GVing
You have to learn to take off in a plane before you can blow things up. Just sayin'.
ack-ack
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Will the colliope be allowed on every tank? and how will this affect the performance of the tank? personally i'll drive em without the rockets
[startuglyrumor]It will be available as part of the new "Perked Ordinance" system.[/startuglyrumor]
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I see it comes with an axe to cut firewood at the campsite :x
If we bail and run out of .45's can we take the axe off of a buddy's tank "1carbine wishes to take your axe type "allow 1carbine to take axe" :x :banana: :devil
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75mm what is that comparable to in game looks like a short barrel?
Should be comparable to the 76.2mm gun on the T-34, except I doubt it will have HVAP available.
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We would be able to use the main gun to aim the rockets?
Yes, the rockets pivot, and the rod/brace on the barrel points them to match the angle of the barrel. Barrel goes up, rockets go up. Barrel goes down, rockets go down.
Question is, if you can't fire the gun with rockets on, do you substitute your main gun for use of the rockets? Either/or situation?
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Yes, the rockets pivot, and the rod/brace on the barrel points them to match the angle of the barrel. Barrel goes up, rockets go up. Barrel goes down, rockets go down.
Question is, if you can't fire the gun with rockets on, do you substitute your main gun for use of the rockets? Either/or situation?
What if it was the secondary fire instead of the hull gun. like you hit three and it gave you both instead of 2 and it gives you main and hull.
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I sure hope it's modeled accurately, I've got hundreds of driver accounts saying the thing could turn inside a spitfire easily.
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What if it was the secondary fire instead of the hull gun. like you hit three and it gave you both instead of 2 and it gives you main and hull.
You miss the point. The main gun couldn't be fired with this contraption in place. Does that mean HTC modeled it realistically? Or did they fudge things a bit?
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You have to learn to take off in a plane before you can blow things up. Just sayin'.
ack-ack
I am perfectly capable of flying and am an expert at GA roles
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Yes, the rockets pivot, and the rod/brace on the barrel points them to match the angle of the barrel. Barrel goes up, rockets go up. Barrel goes down, rockets go down.
Question is, if you can't fire the gun with rockets on, do you substitute your main gun for use of the rockets? Either/or situation?
The rocket tubes were able to be removed fairly quickly by the crew. So in a case where either 1) they had fired all their rockets and needed to stay in the fray or 2) found themselves in a situation where they needed the gun, they would remove the apparatus and free the gun up for use.
In the game, I imagine there will be a way to drop it if you launch with it.
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You miss the point. The main gun couldn't be fired with this contraption in place. Does that mean HTC modeled it realistically? Or did they fudge things a bit?
That remains to be seen. :aok
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You miss the point. The main gun couldn't be fired with this contraption in place. Does that mean HTC modeled it realistically? Or did they fudge things a bit?
Oh that sucks hope they fudged it, but could be a new well armoured flak...
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No hiding under bridges with that on board. Nice choice HTC. :aok
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uh little lost here but were are the pic's? i do not see them on the main page? or is my browser messed up agian?
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I sure hope it's modeled accurately, I've got hundreds of driver accounts saying the thing could turn inside a spitfire easily.
:rofl
ack-ack
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I am perfectly capable of flying and am an expert at GA roles
Don't say stuff like that unless you have a chance at backing it up. You've died to ground defenses 12 times and haven't kill one...yet. That is NOT expert.
If you enjoy people trashing you on the boards, just keep posting stuff like this :rolleyes:
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uh little lost here but were are the pic's? i do not see them on the main page? or is my browser messed up agian?
Try to refresh the page. You may be still see your cached version.
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Well Hmmmm? Are you sure the main gun couldn't fire with the pantograph arm installed? I thought it could... Also, if memory serves, the Caliopi could be jettisoned from inside the vehicle, necessary because the rocket motors would sometimes explode if hit while loaded.. It wasn't made to be carried into a tank fight, lol! Or straffed by airplanes.. Again, if my memory works?
Lusche would know..
COOL addition tho! Will be very versatile in game even without the launcher, like rollin out of an LCM(1), or an LST(5) at the shoreline :O lots of other duties for the good ole Sherman..
WTG HTC! :aok
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thats not rockets
its a Beer chiller
"Rocket maa........................n
I'm a rocket man........... oh..woh" :cheers:
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Spawn camping just took on a new whole new meaning.
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Are the PT boat rockets also 4.5"?
I once spawned offline and sped up to match a fleet's speed. The GVs float along with the field but since it's a CV they're on water. I used the PT rockets to try and take out one of the tanks. Can't recall which. Most of them ricochetted up into the air. Unless you had a perfect 90-degree angle they wouldn't kill the offline drone.
I'm thinking not so useful against other GVs. More of a town busting tool.
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I sure hope it's modeled accurately, I've got hundreds of driver accounts saying the thing could turn inside a spitfire easily.
:rofl
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Are you sure the main gun couldn't fire with the pantograph arm installed? I thought it could...
It stands to reason that since the linkage to elevate the tubes was attached to the gun barrel, firing the gun and the resulting recoil would break the linkage rendering the rockets useless.
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I believe the pantograph was connected at the trunnion/mantlet and not the actual gun barrel...
Also, it was an area fire weapon, so don't expect pinpoint accuracy.. And the warheads were smaller than the nebelwerfer style rockets on the 251, just sayin.. This is from memory tho, I will accept more recent info than my creaky old memory, lol!
RC
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With 7 M4A3 variants which one will it be?
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I believe the pantograph was connected at the trunnion/mantlet and not the actual gun barrel...
Also, it was an area fire weapon, so don't expect pinpoint accuracy.. And the warheads were smaller than the nebelwerfer style rockets on the 251, just sayin.. This is from memory tho, I will accept more recent info than my creaky old memory, lol!
RC
That could be . . . but I found a site that said the T-40 system with 20 7.2in rockets allowed the gun to be used, but the range of the rockets was only 276 yards. The 60 tube T-34 system (the one that appears to be modeled) did not allow the main gun to be fired.
The T-34 Rockets are the same 4.5 inch air-to-ground rockets as was fitted on aircraft, so they should have the same relative effect.
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With 7 M4A3 variants which one will it be?
From Wiki (hate the site, but it's convenient):
# M4A3 - Ford GAA V-8 engine; welded hull; 75-mm, 76-mm, and 105-mm guns. Users: US, France (small numbers), Nicaragua (small numbers). The M4A3 was the preferred US Army vehicle.
* M4A3(75) - M4A3 w/ 75mm M3 gun.
* M4A3(105) - M4A3 w/ 105mm M4 howitzer.
* M4A3E2 Assault Tank - postwar nickname "Jumbo"/"Cobra King" - extra armour (including 4" on front), vertical sided turret, but about 3-4 mph slower. Built with 75 mm gun but frequently re-armed by the using units with 76-mm guns. Grousers fitted to the tracks. Users: US, France (one vehicle)
* M4A3E4/M4A3(76)W - M4A3 w/ 76mm M1 gun.
* M4A3E8/M4A3(76)W HVSS (Easy Eight) - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 76mm M1 gun. The new suspension allowed for more armor to be added.
* M4A3E9/M4A3(105) HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 105mm M4 howitzer.
From front page:
M4A3 75mm.
So I'd have to guess the 75mm version. :P
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From Wiki (hate the site, but it's convenient):
# M4A3 - Ford GAA V-8 engine; welded hull; 75-mm, 76-mm, and 105-mm guns. Users: US, France (small numbers), Nicaragua (small numbers). The M4A3 was the preferred US Army vehicle.
* M4A3(75) - M4A3 w/ 75mm M3 gun.
* M4A3(105) - M4A3 w/ 105mm M4 howitzer.
* M4A3E2 Assault Tank - postwar nickname "Jumbo"/"Cobra King" - extra armour (including 4" on front), vertical sided turret, but about 3-4 mph slower. Built with 75 mm gun but frequently re-armed by the using units with 76-mm guns. Grousers fitted to the tracks. Users: US, France (one vehicle)
* M4A3E4/M4A3(76)W - M4A3 w/ 76mm M1 gun.
* M4A3E8/M4A3(76)W HVSS (Easy Eight) - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 76mm M1 gun. The new suspension allowed for more armor to be added.
* M4A3E9/M4A3(105) HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 105mm M4 howitzer.
From front page:
M4A3 75mm.
So I'd have to guess the 75mm version. :P
There can only be one! :D
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Ther can only be one! :D
Fail :D
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That could be . . . but I found a site that said the T-40 system with 20 7.2in rockets allowed the gun to be used, but the range of the rockets was only 276 yards. The 60 tube T-34 system (the one that appears to be modeled) did not allow the main gun to be fired.
The T-34 Rockets are the same 4.5 inch air-to-ground rockets as was fitted on aircraft, so they should have the same relative effect.
OK, that may be where the confusion is at.. I haven't read up about this thing in a long time, have to do some pokin around for fresh info..
LOL, I wonder how it felt to have an unarmored ammo dump right over your hatch? LOL!
:salute RC
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Fail :D
Fixed :D
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I am perfectly capable of flying and am an expert at GA roles
Expert? Oh really?
/insert SNL "Oh Really" video clips......
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I like it, but can we pretty please have the italian planes remodeled?
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I like it, but can we pretty please have the italian planes remodeled?
We'll probably see a plane remodel too, mostly likely the A6Ms as they are the most commonly used fighter with an AH1 model at this point.
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Here it comes...wait for it....waaiiitttttt.......
M-18!!!!!
Also wouldnt it be nice to UP THE PERK VALUE OF M4 FIREFLIES NOW!!?????? PWEESEEEEEE????
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You do see 60..... But the Calliope saw very limited action............ Did we change the requirements for admission?
Do I count 60 rockets! sure should be a town killer extra ordnaire.............. perk the rocket loadout!
extraordinaire
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You do see 60..... But the Calliope saw very limited action............
Probably not less than the Wirbelwind, or the Ostwind ;)
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if we do get the calliope hope they model it so it can be removed mid combat (was able to remove mid-combat) AND if i recall correctly it DOES have a sight
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Oh Boy! Another GV for me to kill in my P-47. I do hope it is perked for i enjoy hearing the whinning of people that i kill in perk GVs.
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You make a valid point Bruder.
Probably not less than the Wirbelwind, or the Ostwind ;)
And just to clarify..... It looks like they are going to add a gv model that is actually 2 totally different models.......... Not all of those screenshots are a Calliope...... The other two are just a regular M4a3.
Could it be possible that we are cross-modeling?
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I LOVE HTC! Thank you for working on a real American tank! I won't leave this thing for weeks I can already tell!
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Here it comes...wait for it....waaiiitttttt.......
M-18!!!!!
Also wouldnt it be nice to UP THE PERK VALUE OF M4 FIREFLIES NOW!!?????? PWEESEEEEEE????
the panzer and the tiger should be redone first IMO
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You make a valid point Bruder.
And just to clarify..... It looks like they are going to add a gv model that is actually 2 totally different models.......... Not all of those screenshots are a Calliope...... The other two are just a regular M4a3.
Could it be possible that we are cross-modeling?
No no no, you're over-complicating things.
It's a M4a3 with a weapons option. Same as droptanks on planes, gunpods on planes, or rockets on the SKD.
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the panzer and the tiger should be redone first IMO
true but i need to preach for the M18 forever even after if we get it... its my thing. and they need to reevaluate the M4 Firefly perks
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I recollect that the Calliope was almost always used to lay smoke screens but that doesnt mean it wont have the HE ammo.
The gun should be just a shade better than the T-34/76s.
...Should not be hard to add the M4A3 (76) after that one. Here is hoping.
In any case its very cool to see the regular M4A3 "75" Sherman in the game.
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We'll probably see a plane remodel too, mostly likely the A6Ms as they are the most commonly used fighter with an AH1 model at this point.
im guessin 110 remodel also.
those probably are the 2 most used planes that are still ah1
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GREAT...Another GV thats going to have issues....FIX THE GV MODEL.....Balance out the Perk value of The Sherman to Tiger, Since the tiger has an equal now(Sherman)...Stop wasting time on Eye candy and FIX THE MODEL..
KAM
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very nice!
Can we get either the Panther or King Tiger to go with it too?
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very nice!
Can we get either the Panther or King Tiger to go with it too?
M-18 coughcough
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M-18 coughcough
For god's sake take some riddlin we know you want the M-18.
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For god's sake take some riddlin we know you want the M-18.
:rofl i just wanted someone to actually say something about that :D
ohh btw: M18 :aok
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I am perfectly capable of flying and am an expert at GA roles
Kind of like a Tomahawk cruise missile? :D
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Is this just the underguned US Sherman but with MRLS?
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Kind of like a Tomahawk cruise missile? :D
not exactly, the Tomahawk can fly more than 30ft without getting into a spin and crashing, unlike a certain 'experten'.
ack-ack
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Is this just the underguned US Sherman but with MRLS?
Pretty much, yes. The M4A3 v s T-34/76 will be something like Monitor vs Merrimack. :P
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It will really open up some scenario/snapshot/ect. ideas that couldn't be ran realistically before.
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If HiTech feels the need to bless the GVers with some some super weapon, then I feel the metor is just around the corner. :bolt:
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If HiTech feels the need to bless the GVers with some some super weapon, then I feel the metor is just around the corner. :bolt:
Super weapon? What super weapon? It is a M4A3 Sherman with a low velocity 75mm cannon. The rockets are just artillery.
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Super weapon? What super weapon? It is a M4A3 Sherman with a low velocity 75mm cannon. The rockets are just artillery.
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2513/77303687.jpg) (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/77303687.jpg/)
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8697/17839835.jpg) (http://img175.imageshack.us/i/17839835.jpg/)
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7788/61323119.jpg) (http://img401.imageshack.us/i/61323119.jpg/)
:D
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lol ranger.
Also, I can't wait to hear the GVers screams cluttering up vox when I'm flying over TT. "I need subs!!!!"
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Super weapon? What super weapon? It is a M4A3 Sherman with a low velocity 75mm cannon. The rockets are just artillery.
So these rockets can't blow up tanks?
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Is this just the underguned US Sherman but with MLRS?
fixed :aok
(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2513/77303687.jpg) (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/77303687.jpg/)
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8697/17839835.jpg) (http://img175.imageshack.us/i/17839835.jpg/)
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7788/61323119.jpg) (http://img401.imageshack.us/i/61323119.jpg/)
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somebody's been playing way too much C&C with the juggernauts :lol thats all i can see in those pics is the juggernaut artie walker...
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So these rockets can't blow up tanks?
Sure, if they hit them.
Good luck with that.
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Sure, if they hit them.
Good luck with that.
The calliope was just a MLRS artie system to soften up enemy defenses and hit buildings...perfect for town and base though...
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The calliope was just a MLRS artie system to soften up enemy defenses and hit buildings...perfect for town and base though...
Exactly. Not a super weapon.
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rockets (when they explode) have the damage of a 105MM HE cannon round exploding :O :O :x :x basicly 2 for town building!
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Yeah,lets have the Ranger King Sherman tank. :)
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id love to see a bunch of them roll into town and just blow the krud out of town. If you can aim them with the main gun like if read they will get more use the the sdks
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id love to see a bunch of them roll into town and just blow the krud out of town. If you can aim them with the main gun like if read they will get more use the the sdks
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Much more, yes. Don't make the mistake that because they are aimed with the main gun that the main gun's gunsight works well as an aiming device. I do expect some people to get very good with them though.
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(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2513/77303687.jpg) (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/77303687.jpg/)
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8697/17839835.jpg) (http://img175.imageshack.us/i/17839835.jpg/)
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7788/61323119.jpg) (http://img401.imageshack.us/i/61323119.jpg/)
:D
Had to get it out.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/GB-ShermanRocketProjector.jpg)
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That cant be safe to light like a bottle rocket!
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We GV'ers love you HTC! Thank you waffle! :aok
your a GVr way?
:neener:
froger
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your a GVr way?
:neener:
froger
idk bout you guys but before i flew fighters i did nothing BUT GVs... I'm in love :angel:
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I know I have asked for this tank more than a few times. Thanks HTC, I look forward to driving her. Good for some Special Events and will be used in the MA as well. Good choice for a new tank IMO. Thanks again, I know your busy working on the Ki-43(II) so I won't bother you anymore now :cheers:
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I know I have asked for this tank more than a few times. Thanks HTC, I look forward to driving her. Good for some Special Events and will be used in the MA as well. Good choice for a new tank IMO. Thanks again, I know your busy working on the Ki-43(II) so I won't bother you anymore now :cheers:
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nah hes modeling my M18 first :D
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Sorry Gents, you are both wrong. I am sure HTC will get to the KI-43 and the M-18 when they are done with the Yak-3! :aok
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Sorry Gents, you are both wrong. I am sure HTC will get to the KI-43 and the M-18 when they are done with the Yak-3! :aok
He-111 will be done before the Yak though :headscratch: and He-111 will be done after the beaufighter :x
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Hey First step towards Arty. Wooohoo :aok :rock :cheers:
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Info about firing the main gun from Hunnicutt's definitive book on the Sherman:
"In the original design, the elevation arm was clamped directly to the gun barrel by a split ring and the cannon could not be fired until the launcher was jettisoned. This feature, combined with jettisoning difficulties, made the tank mounted launchers extremely unpopular with the troops. Field modifications attempted to correct this condition by removing the elevation arm from the cannon barrel and attaching it to the top of the gun shield. This permitted the cannon to be fired with the launcher in place, but the smaller movement of the gun mount limited the range of elevation.
"On the T34E1 launcher, the elevation arm was attached to extensions from the gun shield thus retaining the full elevation range and allowing the cannon to be fired without jettisoning the launcher."
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Thanks Pyro, good enough answer for me..
:salute RC
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I believe you could drop a T-23 turret on this tank's chasis and get a M4A3 (76)W. Potential twofer?
Btw Thanks HTC, this will be of great use in SEA events.
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Hmmm... I wonder if any WWII Lancaster III Pilots saw "the rockets red glare" while in a forty-five degree dive? :O
Jus' wonderin'
X :salute
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I can't wait for it!!!
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Hmmm... I wonder if any WWII Lancaster III Pilots saw "the rockets red glare" while in a forty-five degree dive? :O
You seriously think WW2 lanc pilots dive bombed their own tanks?
there's so much wrong with that, I just don't know where to begin...
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You seriously think WW2 lanc pilots dive bombed their own tanks?
there's so much wrong with that, I just don't know where to begin...
Ive seen lancs do manuvers of a fighter plane, including loops
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Were they in combat, dive-bombing, carrying 14,000 lbs of bombs, diving on a tank from their own side, while being fired back at by 60 rockets at once?
So much wrong with that statement...
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Ive seen lancs do manuvers of a fighter plane, including loops
Only here in toonville...never happened for real...and I believe that is what has Krusty's crusty panties wadded up.
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Only here in toonville...never happened for real...and I believe that is what has Krusty's crusty panties wadded up.
No, in reality Lancs did some pretty hairy maneuvers.
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No, in reality Lancs did some pretty hairy maneuvers.
Yeah...riiiight...like Stuka style dive bombing at high speed...repeated barrel rolls...full loops...with both wings attached and returned home safe with all crew members alive...ok.
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Including some where 80 ft was to high for bomb release alt. They strafed ack positions too.
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Not quite the same... Low level (repeat, level) flying is one thing... See my previous comment. Dive bombing, full load, in combat, on a friendly vehicle, which is spamming the air with rockets trying to shoot down said bomber with ground-to-ground artillary in a way it was never used in the war.
There's just nothing RIGHT about that statement, so much as it's just totally wrong. Morally and historically.
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Not quite the same... Low level (repeat, level) flying is one thing... See my previous comment. Dive bombing, full load, in combat, on a friendly vehicle, which is spamming the air with rockets trying to shoot down said bomber with ground-to-ground artillary in a way it was never used in the war.
There's just nothing RIGHT about that statement, so much as it's just totally wrong. Morally and historically.
Dangit Krusty...must be a blue moon out...no other reason for you to be making sense enough that I feel compelled to agree with you... :huh
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i just wanna pluck and stuff the first M4 i see right now! :t
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i thought the first picture was a T34 at first because the turret looks kinda similar *facepalm*
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Yes, this same hull could be a M4 A3(76) and also the M4 A3 (105).
Both great vehicles for in game.
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Didn't know if anyone had posted it yet but here is a video of the rocket launcher (t-34 Calliope) being loaded and fired.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbft-EjpqNw
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You seriously think WW2 lanc pilots dive bombed their own tanks?
there's so much wrong with that, I just don't know where to begin...
You are kidding me with that question... seriously?
If you didn't see my sarcastic point... which I think you may actually have... morally and historically... my apologies.
X :salute
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I'm betting I'll flip my tank on a tree 10 times more. I'll nickname it the squirrel catcher. Making squirrels with camera piss themselves endlessly since tour XXX. :D
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I'm betting I'll flip my tank on a tree 10 times more. I'll nickname it the squirrel catcher. Making squirrels with camera piss themselves endlessly since tour XXX. :D
i think IMO this would take care of those pesky bushes and tree IMO
(http://wapedia.mobi/thumb/060014719/en/max/1440/900/M4a4_flail_cfb_borden_1.JPG?format=jpg%2Cpng%2Cgif&ctf=0?format=jpg,png,gif&loadexternal=1)
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LOL Are you kidding you'd flip, just like now, but everyone will laugh when there's a flail fail!
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sarcasm.....unless they finnaly figure out how to get rid off that problem
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i think IMO this would take care of those pesky bushes and tree IMO
(http://wapedia.mobi/thumb/060014719/en/max/1440/900/M4a4_flail_cfb_borden_1.JPG?format=jpg%2Cpng%2Cgif&ctf=0?format=jpg,png,gif&loadexternal=1)
I'd camp one of those flail tanks near the map room just waiting for the troops to come running, then turn it one and mow them over with it. If only the game would include trooper screams when they die and meat grinder death animations.
ack-ack
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I'd camp one of those flail tanks near the map room just waiting for the troops to come running, then turn it one and mow them over with it. If only the game would include trooper screams when they die and meat grinder death animations.
ack-ack
in company of heros u can do that......gruesome as heck though
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Not sure if this has already been brought up or not, but I wonder if you will be able to jettison the Calliope because it says you can't fire the main gun while it's attached & it says that it could be jettisoned hydraulically in a matter of seconds.
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Not sure if this has already been brought up or not, but I wonder if you will be able to jettison the Calliope because it says you can't fire the main gun while it's attached & it says that it could be jettisoned hydraulically in a matter of seconds.
Pyro answered that question already in this thread. :rolleyes:
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We GV'ers love you HTC! Thank you waffle! :aok
You know dang well that you'll never set foot in that vehicle. Give you a doughnut and a cup of coffee and you'll be in your Wirble swatting gnat's.
:devil
But for me on the other hand I'll get some seat time :)
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You know dang well that you'll never set foot in that vehicle. Give you a doughnut and a cup of coffee and you'll be in your Wirble swatting gnat's.
:devil
Touche my friend! Touche!
:salute
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Touche my friend! Touche!
:salute
:rofl That's all I get from you, I'm disappointed - maybe no coffee yet so I'm going to let you slide :neener:
:salute
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Yikes! More Shermans. Look at the home page... 76mm.
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Yikes! More Shermans. Look at the home page... 76mm.
You must have a different home page mine says 75mm
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Mine is showing a 2nd new Sherman. The 76mm. Larger gun, no rockets. :aok
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Mine is showing a 2nd new Sherman. The 76mm. Larger gun, no rockets. :aok
Unless I'm looking in the wrong spot, this is what mine says:
April 19, 2010
Aces High: M4A3 75mm Development Screenshots
Here are some sneak previews of the "M4A3 75mm" under development as modeled and textured by Waffle. As always, development screenshots are subject to change before release. Select an image to get a full size view.
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Pyro answered that question already in this thread. :rolleyes:
Well I said I didn't know if it had been brought up yet or not.
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Unless I'm looking in the wrong spot, this is what mine says:
April 19, 2010
Aces High: M4A3 75mm Development Screenshots
Here are some sneak previews of the "M4A3 75mm" under development as modeled and textured by Waffle. As always, development screenshots are subject to change before release. Select an image to get a full size view.
April 21, 2010
Aces High: M4A3 76mm Development Screenshots Here are some sneak previews of the "M4A3 76mm" under development as modeled and textured by Waffle. As always, development screenshots are subject to change before release. Select an image to get a full size view.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/news/images/m4a3_76mm/m4a3762.jpg)
April 19, 2010
Aces High: M4A3 75mm Development Screenshots Here are some sneak previews of the "M4A3 75mm" under development as modeled and textured by Waffle. As always, development screenshots are subject to change before release. Select an image to get a full size view.
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/news/images/m4a3_75mm/m4a3751.jpg)
Try refreshing your page, may be using an older version of the page (happens a lot).
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You are kidding me with that question... seriously?
If you didn't see my sarcastic point... which I think you may actually have... morally and historically... my apologies.
X :salute
If that first post had sarcasm in it you hide it extremely well.
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Try refreshing your page, may be using an older version of the page (happens a lot).
That'll fix it. Sometimes people will still see their cached homepage. I always refresh mine just in case.
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Mine is showing a 2nd new Sherman. The 76mm. Larger gun, no rockets. :aok
:x :x :x :x :x maybe i wont need my M-18 to be a happy GVer anymore :x :x :x :x :x :aok
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id like a Pershing II (perked like Tiger, since its comparable to the Tiger).
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id like a Pershing II (perked like Tiger, since its comparable to the Tiger).
M-18 coughcoughcough... But i'd actually like to see a pershing here too
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Yeah the M-18 would be sweet.
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so we are getting 2 tanks or only the 76 with no rockets???? :confused: :confused: :noid :bolt:
btw tank set now epic (more) uneven than it was :/
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so we are getting 2 tanks or only the 76 with no rockets???? :confused: :confused: :noid :bolt:
btw tank set now epic (more) uneven than it was :/
Two tanks.
How is it uneven? Germany vs USA, UK, and USSR and you think model totals should be the same Axis vs Allies?
That said, a Panzer IV D would be nice.
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Two tanks.
How is it uneven? Germany vs USA, UK, and USSR and you think model totals should be the same Axis vs Allies?
That said, a Panzer IV D would be nice.
forgot japan
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forgot japan
Abd France and Italy....because they don't really count in the discussion. Japan focused on ships and airplanes for a reason....
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yeah......no land lol the tanks they did have where made off card board and powered like the flinstones lol
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Good, more dive bombing practice for my lightnings.
:aok
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Abd France and Italy....because they don't really count in the discussion. Japan focused on ships and airplanes for a reason....
Well, in a sense that is why the set is still "uneven." The early war set is still not well represented for any side. The IV is a late '43 version, the Shermans shown (judging from the calliope on the 75mm) are both late '44 versions. The earliest tanks we have are the T-34/76 and Tiger.
Not a complaint, just an observation. I do hope HTC gets around to adding a few true early war tanks at some point in the future.
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As long as they are doing Shermans they should add the amphibious version. That would add a nice twist.
The picture shows the floatation gear lowered. They were most famously used during the D-Day invasion where many sank mostly due to heavy seas. The ground defenses largely ignored them thinking they were simply small boats and therefore not very valuable targets. IIRC they were driven by twin screws. Pic from Wikipedia:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/DD-Tank.jpg)
And we could get the flamethrower version to be used specifically for killing towns. It would be cool to see buildings go up in flames:
(http://www.jodyharmon.com/militaryart/flame%20sherman.jpg)
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Baldeagle, thats a hell of an idea..., would deffinatly have an impact where CV assaults where concerned.
My GOD..., think of the possibilitys..., though of-course it would be VERY vulnerable until it hit the shore.
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DD Sherman's a pretty good idea. Although I don't know if the game really supports either the mechanics or even the effect of the M4 Zippos....
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/DD-Tank.jpg)
Finally! A tank a Spitfire Mk I can kill! :P
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Looks like the new M4A3 has a .50 cal M2 on top and a .30 cal M1919 in the hull so with the calliope on top it looks like it will kill every thing from troop to bombers :x
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If that first post had sarcasm in it you hide it extremely well.
My whole point was...
Lancaster's (You can add all heavy bombers in hanger) did not bomb GV's at a forty-five degree angle in WWII, like they do in LW arenas.
Reversal roll here...
I said... "Hmmm... I wonder if any WWII Lancaster III Pilots saw "the rockets red glare" while in a forty-five degree dive?"
I usually up the British "Firefly" and Lancs nine times out of ten (of the heavy bomber sets), usually are dive bombing me into oblivion.
Now, with the rockets... I see them quite possibly being fired in the fore mentioned situation.
Hence my comment... Is that sarcasm? Maybe I'm wrong for the lack of a better or correct word.
Again, my apologies...
X :salute
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As long as they are doing Shermans they should add the amphibious version. That would add a nice twist.
The picture shows the floatation gear lowered. They were most famously used during the D-Day invasion where many sank mostly due to heavy seas. The ground defenses largely ignored them thinking they were simply small boats and therefore not very valuable targets. IIRC they were driven by twin screws. Pic from Wikipedia:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/DD-Tank.jpg)
And we could get the flamethrower version to be used specifically for killing towns. It would be cool to see buildings go up in flames:
(http://www.jodyharmon.com/militaryart/flame%20sherman.jpg)
sorry to say this but i've read many reports saying these amphib DD tanks actually sank due to the fact that the drivers were trying to fight the currents and pointed their tanks toward their agreed upon destination making the tank go almost parallel to the coast and waves would capsize the tank. Heavy seas actually had close to nothing to do with their sinking until driver error forced it. They drove them like vehicles and not boats...
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sorry to say this but i've read many reports saying these amphib DD tanks actually sank due to the fact that the drivers were trying to fight the currents and pointed their tanks toward their agreed upon destination making the tank go almost parallel to the coast and waves would capsize the tank. Heavy seas actually had close to nothing to do with their sinking until driver error forced it. They drove them like vehicles and not boats...
Sorry to say this but that's what I said. What exactly did you think I meant by heavy seas? :rolleyes:
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I hope HTC will release the patch before the weekend. :pray
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I hope HTC will release the patch before the weekend. :pray
Noooooooo.... wait at least until Saturday. Patches on FSO nights never end well.
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Sorry to say this but that's what I said. What exactly did you think I meant by heavy seas? :rolleyes:
what 321 is saying is a bit different I think. driving directly into heavy seas is very doable,even in a tank. but even the best boat in the world doesn't do well "to a beam sea", or sideways to the waves, if the waves are heavy enough.
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I hope HTC will release the patch before the weekend. :pray
Whaaaat? Before they introduce the Yak-3? No way! :D
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Sorry to say this but that's what I said. What exactly did you think I meant by heavy seas? :rolleyes:
it was more of driver error than heavy seas... they didnt know how to drive a tank in the ocean... if they did then almost all of the DD tanks would have landed safely.
Edit: Irish ty sir. i didnt see youre post <S>
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what 321 is saying is a bit different I think. driving directly into heavy seas is very doable,even in a tank. but even the best boat in the world doesn't do well "to a beam sea", or sideways to the waves, if the waves are heavy enough.
A "following sea" can be a real bugger when you are underpowered and the propulsion on those DD tanks was makeshift at best. Those tanks as far as I know were only used during D day and very few made it ashore.
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A "following sea" can be a real bugger when you are underpowered and the propulsion on those DD tanks was makeshift at best. Those tanks as far as I know were only used during D day and very few made it ashore.
very good point
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Not true, very few made it ashore on the one of the US beaches, lots made it ashore on other beaches. The canadians used them very effectively.
As I understand it, on Omaha the navy ordered them launched way to far out.
They were used on the Rhine, in Italy on the PO in the invasion of southern France.
It would actually be a good addition to the game. It it wasn't so vulnerable to 303 mg fire.
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I hope HTC will release the patch before the weekend. :pray
By the sounds of some of the comments it seems it may be a new version rather than another patch... :x
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E8, E8, E8... :furious :furious :furious :D
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LST's
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Not true, very few made it ashore on the one of the US beaches, lots made it ashore on other beaches. The canadians used them very effectively.
As I understand it, on Omaha the navy ordered them launched way to far out.
They were used on the Rhine, in Italy on the PO in the invasion of southern France.
It would actually be a good addition to the game. It it wasn't so vulnerable to 303 mg fire.
ones used at DD (early model) very few made it ashore the 2 that did were easliy taken out
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ones used at DD (early model) very few made it ashore the 2 that did were easliy taken out
Read and learn.
http://www.tanksinworldwar2.com/usa-myths-dd-tanks.php
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LST's
Yep, 1/2 way there!
Really liking the 3in gun on the bow, twin 40mms too... It'll need cover as it approaches the beach, because you know that everything that shoots will be zeroed on it, to sink it before it beaches...
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/RipChord929/battle_normandy102.jpg)
(http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv226/RipChord929/battle_iwojima69.jpg)
RC
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A "following sea" can be a real bugger when you are underpowered and the propulsion on those DD tanks was makeshift at best. Those tanks as far as I know were only used during D day and very few made it ashore.
They were also used in Operation Dragoon (Invasion of Southern France), Operation Plunder (British crossing of the Rhine and two cases during the Italian Campaign (crossing of the rivers Po and Adige). The ones that took part in the Italian Campaign were a mix of DD Shermand and Valentines.
Anyone interested in more info about the DD Shermans, this is an excellent book, Swimming Shermans: Sherman DD amphibious tank of World War II
ack-ack
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E8, E8, E8... :furious :furious :furious :D
M-18 M-18 M-18 :aok
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God, I can't stand those pictures of Pacific beaches. Even when I was young and therefore insane, I don't think I could have done it.
:salute
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I'm really looking forward to the A3. It will be fun and challenging at the same time :lol
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OK. I guess I should have just said they got swamped by waves.
I know all about boating. I've done it my whole life. I've been on a lake rough enough that I got caught in the middle of the lake as I came around a point and my 16' runabout's closed bow was submerging with the waves breaking halfway up the windshield at idle speeds. The only thing I could do was keep the bow facing the waves, idle along and hope that either the winds died down or I made it across the lake to a sheltered area. Unfortunately, I was heading perpendicular to where I wanted to go but I did eventually make it into a large bay and got out of the wind where I was able to turn around and head back right along the shore. That day was scarey as h*ll and it probably took me two hours to travel what should have taken 5 minutes.
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does this mean the 105mm armed version will also make an apperance, since we are getting the 76mm armed version in addition to the 75mm model?
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does this mean the 105mm armed version will also make an apperance, since we are getting the 76mm armed version in addition to the 75mm model?
No, of course it doesn't mean that.
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BaldEagl, I know how that is. Done that before out on Lake Superior and Lake Erie in my 16ft RiverRunner. But afterwards it was FUN! :x