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Title: New Shermans
Post by: nasty on April 23, 2010, 09:44:05 PM
 :banana:Hey I'm all for the new Shermans but does any1 know what they will be perked at?

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Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: OOZ662 on April 23, 2010, 09:49:34 PM
does any1 know what they will be perked at?

No.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Karnak on April 23, 2010, 10:30:10 PM
Why would they be perked?

Their guns are only about as good as the two T-34's guns and they are slow like the Firefly.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: bravoa8 on April 24, 2010, 12:21:37 AM
They'd better not perk them half of the tanks we already have are perked we need more small un-perked tanks.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: jay on April 24, 2010, 02:54:40 AM
if they perk it it would suck and if they decided to perk ords also that would suck even more
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: OOZ662 on April 24, 2010, 02:56:22 AM
if they decided to perk ords also that would suck even more

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Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Xtrepid on April 24, 2010, 05:57:09 AM
:banana:Hey I'm all for the new Shermans but does any1 know what they will be perked at?

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No.

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Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Bronk on April 24, 2010, 06:14:39 AM
Perk ords.  :aok :banana: :banana: :banana:
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: ACE on April 24, 2010, 06:28:58 AM
Perk ords.  :aok :banana: :banana: :banana:
Yep  :aok
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: redwing7 on April 24, 2010, 07:52:32 AM
Perk ords.  :aok :banana: :banana: :banana:

Definitely  :aok
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Gr8pape on April 24, 2010, 09:16:59 AM
If they perk the rocket pack for the M4 then that would open a whole new aspect to the game, and if the do then I want the 12K Lbs bomb for the Lancaster I mean whats the point of perking ords? Perk the tank with the option but isn't the M4 already perked? Where is the TigerII or TigerIII would rather have those and the King Tiger too. Just a thought.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: bj229r on April 24, 2010, 09:34:54 AM
Sherman was a deathtrap against even the run-of-the-mill German tanks, can't imagine why a slow tank with a gun similar to the pop-gun T34-76 would need to be perked. 2 days after it's out, there will be zillions of posts about how poorly it's modeled
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: OOZ662 on April 24, 2010, 10:06:28 AM
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Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Rino on April 24, 2010, 10:19:08 AM
Sherman was a deathtrap against even the run-of-the-mill German tanks, can't imagine why a slow tank with a gun similar to the pop-gun T34-76 would need to be perked. 2 days after it's out, there will be zillions of posts about how poorly it's modeled

     I'm not getting this "slow" Sherman stuff, it did 25-30 mph.  The PzKw IV did 26 mph.  The Tiger I did
24 mph.  Sounds like the Sherman right in range with the other panzers.  The T-34 was the hot rod at 33 mph.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: E25280 on April 24, 2010, 10:21:17 AM
isn't the M4 already perked?
There are dozens of versions of the M4.  The M4 version that is perked (rightly so) in the game is the Firefly, due to its overwhelming tank-killing capability.  Neither version of the M4A3 have nearly the same punch with the main gun.

Whether the "Calliope" will be perked is speculation at this point.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: E25280 on April 24, 2010, 10:26:19 AM
     I'm not getting this "slow" Sherman stuff, it did 25-30 mph.  The PzKw IV did 26 mph.
I think he means slow compared to the T-34s.  A T-34/76 without a speed advantage is an even less match to the IV(H), and a T-34/85 without the speed advantage is not really perk-worthy.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: redman555 on April 24, 2010, 02:10:36 PM
Why would they be perked?

Their guns are only about as good as the two T-34's guns and they are slow like the Firefly.

You forgot... the rocket rack is why im 99.99% sure it will be perked


-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: OOZ662 on April 24, 2010, 02:12:05 PM
You forgot... the rocket rack is why im 99.99% sure it will be perked

If only we had a perked loadout system... :noid
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Karnak on April 24, 2010, 02:13:07 PM
I think he means slow compared to the T-34s.  A T-34/76 without a speed advantage is an even less match to the IV(H), and a T-34/85 without the speed advantage is not really perk-worthy.
This, all tanks in AH do about 25mph, except the T-34s which do about 34mph.

You forgot... the rocket rack is why im 99.99% sure it will be perked


-BigBOBCH
I didn't forget that.  I see no reason why that would warrant perking.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: waystin2 on April 24, 2010, 05:55:24 PM
I am pretty certain there will be no perks for the tanks.  The T-34 rocket launcher certainly may become a candidate for a perked ord option if HTC ever goes that direction.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: pallero on April 25, 2010, 01:47:09 AM
If we need rocket launchers, we should have something like this *click* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyusha_rocket_launcher) and *click* (http://www.wio.ru/galgrnd/rocket/rocket.htm)
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: jay on April 25, 2010, 02:09:25 AM
would be EPIC FUN but VERY vulnerable
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: W7LPNRICK on April 25, 2010, 03:12:49 AM
Lots of practice to do anything more than take part of a town down... Yawn.... :huh
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: OOZ662 on April 25, 2010, 03:22:33 AM
Lots of practice to do anything more than take part of a town down... Yawn.... :huh

Just as much practice as firing HE shells, seeing as the rockets were aimed down the main gun's barrel's sight.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Karnak on April 25, 2010, 10:15:01 AM
Just as much practice as firing HE shells, seeing as the rockets were aimed down the main gun's barrel's sight.
They are not aimed down the main barrel's sight, they are elevated by the main gun's elevation action.  The sight will work in a crude fashion, but if you are imagining aiming them like the gun, you'll be a bit disappointed.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: OOZ662 on April 25, 2010, 11:01:33 AM
They are not aimed down the main barrel's sight, they are elevated by the main gun's elevation action.  The sight will work in a crude fashion, but if you are imagining aiming them like the gun, you'll be a bit disappointed.

Considering the Firefly's main gun sight is scaled incorrectly anyway, so long as there's some point of reference in the rocket sight it'll be easier than PT or SDK rockets.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: jay on April 25, 2010, 12:24:04 PM
the SDFK rocket have a aiming system (the little marker with black and white on it) but i never figured it out
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: OOZ662 on April 25, 2010, 12:34:01 PM
the SDFK rocket have a aiming system (the little marker with black and white on it) but i never figured it out

I've only used one once or twice so I don't remember well, but I think that's just a radio antenna that someone figured out how to use as a "meterstick." :D
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: nasty on April 25, 2010, 01:06:19 PM
I hope they are not perked  cause im tired of being killed in a Panzer :headscratch:
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Widewing on April 25, 2010, 01:30:53 PM
Waffle continues to show great talent at modeling.. Superb work.



My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Krusty on April 25, 2010, 02:35:10 PM
I hope they are not perked  cause im tired of being killed in a Panzer :headscratch:

1) There's little chance the new one will be perked.

2) What does you dying in a panzer have to do with perks?
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Karnak on April 25, 2010, 05:38:25 PM
2) What does you dying in a panzer have to do with perks?
Panzer IV H is the only unperked, remotely competitive tank.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: 321BAR on April 25, 2010, 06:51:23 PM
If we need rocket launchers, we should have something like this *click* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyusha_rocket_launcher) and *click* (http://www.wio.ru/galgrnd/rocket/rocket.htm)
ONE WORD.... Nebelwerfers :x
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: froger on April 26, 2010, 01:55:52 AM
You forgot... the rocket rack is why im 99.99% sure it will be perked


-BigBOBCH


251 has rockets....kicking up ones score on an undefended city was the common use of this otherwise useless hanger queen.

can't imagine this rocket rack should be perked in any way.
maybe someone could give a tutorial on how one should aim these bottle rockets correctly.



froger
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Krusty on April 26, 2010, 02:14:17 AM
Panzer IV H is the only unperked, remotely competitive tank.

T-34 racks up more perks kill for kill, and with the majority of folks camping at short ranges behind things, the HVAP makes it a 1-shot killer. Plus the sloped armor deflects a decent amount of shells (not all, I know).

I'd say it's not a 5k-standoff fire-reload-fire spammer, but it's still competitive.

IMO folks just hate going into the fight. They'd rather camp, and camping is hurt with a slow reload, eh?
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: jay on April 26, 2010, 06:19:56 AM
i NEVER take either T34 version to a spawn battle because of that reason
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: nasty on April 26, 2010, 07:38:33 PM
1) There's little chance the new one will be perked.

2) What does you dying in a panzer have to do with perks?

I want a decent tank so maby ill do better.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: 321BAR on April 26, 2010, 07:43:36 PM

251 has rockets....kicking up ones score on an undefended city was the common use of this otherwise useless hanger queen.

can't imagine this rocket rack should be perked in any way.
maybe someone could give a tutorial on how one should aim these bottle rockets correctly.



froger
i can actually use these rockets to an extent to kill ack guns and to do other minor tasks
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Gr8pape on April 27, 2010, 12:12:23 PM
I want a decent tank so maby ill do better.

Practice, practice, practice you will get better, pick a tank and stay in it, then practice some more. Find someone who knows how to tank and ask them to help, most guys in here will help if asked properly, if your a bish look me up on the weekends, if i am on I will help you.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: 321BAR on April 27, 2010, 01:03:54 PM
Practice, practice, practice you will get better, pick a tank and stay in it, then practice some more. Find someone who knows how to tank and ask them to help, most guys in here will help if asked properly, if your a bish look me up on the weekends, if i am on I will help you.
the thing though is the difference between the tanks and planes... gvs you dont need to stick to the tank that long to get the finer points of it... but also, I'll be willing to help pilots if they need it too. bish also <S>
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: jay on April 27, 2010, 03:54:03 PM
I want a decent tank so maby ill do better.


a weapons greatest fault is its master basically meaning u can do GREAT in any tank just need to use it practice etc.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: 321BAR on April 27, 2010, 03:57:58 PM

a weaons greatest fault is its master basicly meaning u can do GREAT in any tank just need to use it practice etc.
key to the success of M8 drivers actually :aok
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: stephen on April 27, 2010, 04:55:01 PM
76mm should recieve a small perk...
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Karnak on April 27, 2010, 04:58:59 PM
76mm should recieve a small perk...

Why?  There is nothing that dictates that the Panzer IV H is the high water mark for free tanks.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: E25280 on April 27, 2010, 07:10:21 PM
Why?  There is nothing that dictates that the Panzer IV H is the high water mark for free tanks.
Agreed.  The only reason the T-34/85 is slightly perkworthy (very slightly - base is what, 3??) vs. the IV is due to its speed.  The Sherman 76 will not have that speed advantage.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Gr8pape on April 28, 2010, 12:18:34 AM
Agreed.  The only reason the T-34/85 is slightly perkworthy (very slightly - base is what, 3??) vs. the IV is due to its speed.  The Sherman 76 will not have that speed advantage.

Well the speed is a factor but the T34/76 is just as fast I think it has more to do with the bigger gun and faster reload time too.
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: THRASH99 on April 28, 2010, 12:25:21 AM
:banana:Hey I'm all for the new Shermans but does any1 know what they will be perked at?

 :salute
Well they shouldn't be perked, it has been around since the mid war. The 75mm will probably be able to kill a panzar but not a tiger easily, you would have to be point blank range to do that. The ords for rockets on the sherman will probably count as wing points or something like that. We"ll see what happens though :salute
Title: Re: New Shermans
Post by: Karnak on April 28, 2010, 02:30:45 AM
Well the speed is a factor but the T34/76 is just as fast I think it has more to do with the bigger gun and faster reload time too.

What he is saying is that without the speed it wouldn't be perked.  The T-34/85 has both the speed and the gun whereas the T-34/76, Panzer IV H and M4A3(76) only have speed or a gun, not both.  M4A3(75) has neither.  :P