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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: stealth on April 26, 2010, 02:28:07 AM
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This German aircraft is a four-seat medium bomber. Named the Ju 118.
Powerplant
Two 1,700-hp BMW 801D-2 radial piston engines.
Performance
Maximum speed 310 mph at 19,685 ft (6000m);service ceiling 30,660 ft (9345m);range 1,209 miles (1945 km)
Dimensions
Wingspan 72ft 2 in (22.00 m);length 49ft 1/2 in (14.95 m);height 14 ft 7 in (4.44 m);wing area 602.80 sq ft (56 m2)
Armament
One forward-firing 20-mm MG 151 cannon in nose,a single 0.51-in (13-mm) MG 131 in dorsal turret and the rear of the cockpit canopy, and one 0.31-in (7.92-mm) MG 18 machine-gun in the lower front fuselage firing aft, plus a maximum bombload of 6,614 lb (3000 kg)
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This German aircraft is a four-seat medium bomber. Named the Ju 118.
Powerplant
Two 1,700-hp BMW 801D-2 radial piston engines.
Performance
Maximum speed 310 mph at 19,685 ft (6000m);service ceiling 30,660 ft (9345m);range 1,209 miles (1945 km)
Dimensions
Wingspan 72ft 2 in (22.00 m);length 49ft 1/2 in (14.95 m);height 14 ft 7 in (4.44 m);wing area 602.80 sq ft (56 m2)
Armament
One forward-firing 20-mm MG 151 cannon in nose,a single 0.51-in (13-mm) MG 131 in dorsal turret and the rear of the cockpit canopy, and one 0.31-in (7.92-mm) MG 18 machine-gun in the lower front fuselage firing aft, plus a maximum bombload of 6,614 lb (3000 kg)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/11gu0lu.jpg)
pics are nice to
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I would so love this aircraft in the game.
BigKev
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Does anyone read about the planes they wish for beyond what the plane specs were? If the OP had, he would have seen that the Junkers Ju 188 was only a marginal improvement over the plane it was supposed to replace (Ju 88).
ack-ack
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Does anyone read about the planes they wish for beyond what the plane specs were? If the OP had, he would have seen that the Junkers Ju 188 was only a marginal improvement over the plane it was supposed to replace (Ju 88).
It would still be a major improvement for anyone flying German Iron in the MW/LW arenas in Aces High, much more survivable than our early Ju 88.
Of course, I still prefer the Do 217E & M models to be added ;)
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Is this the one that was called "the flying pencil'?
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Well I kinda think of it like a He-111 almost,if we can't have the He-111 why not have something like it.
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Is this the one that was called "the flying pencil'?
No, that was the Do17.
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No, that was the Do17.
ah, thx.
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Does anyone read about the planes they wish for beyond what the plane specs were? If the OP had, he would have seen that the Junkers Ju 188 was only a marginal improvement over the plane it was supposed to replace (Ju 88).
ack-ack
Ack, though the JU188 was only slightly better than the Ju88 it would be in my opinion a better dive bomber. I have been on a mission lately to master the art of th edive bomb in the 88. Still learning it though it is tricky but the 188 would be a tad better. I am all for new aircraft and vehicles.
BigKev
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Ack, though the JU188 was only slightly better than the Ju88 it would be in my opinion a better dive bomber.
The Ju 188 was no dive bomber.
And the Ju-88 was only used that way very early in the war.
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Well the defense guns on the Ju-188 I think are better. What's your opinion.
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Does anyone read about the planes they wish for beyond what the plane specs were? If the OP had, he would have seen that the Junkers Ju 188 was only a marginal improvement over the plane it was supposed to replace (Ju 88).
It is a very good request. Considering that the Ju-188 is actually a significant improvement over the Ju88A-4 we have in AH.
The top speeds I've seen are 335mph which is roughly 45mph (!!) faster than AH's Ju88A-4. Not really a big wonder considering that the Ju188A-series has Jumo 213A engines with MW-50 injection instead of the old Jumo 211Js of the Ju88A-4. To put this into perspective, Ju188 has roughly 700hp more power and that's on a take off setting, not with MW-50 injection engaged. For the defensive armament you have 20mm cannon both in the turret and one firing forward plus also 13mm firing rearward instead of the 100% rifle calibre armament of the Ju88A-4 in AH. The bombload is the same as in the Ju88A4 which is already a respectable bombload for a medium bomber.
All in all Ju188 would be a clear improvement over the Ju88A-4 and a great addition to AH.
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Well the defense guns on the Ju-188 I think are better. What's your opinion.
20mm MG151/20 in the turret would help the defenses, yes. :P
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The Ju 188 was no dive bomber.
And the Ju-88 was only used that way very early in the war.
In the sense of a true dive bomber neither was a true dive bomber like the SBD or the Stuka but the 88 does a decent job as far as I have learned to use it.
BigKev
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In the sense of a true dive bomber neither was a true dive bomber like the SBD or the Stuka
No quite.
The Ju 88 was indeed designed as a true dive bomber, including dive automatic, dive flaps and so on.
The Ju 188 was not.
Part of a Ju-88 manual describing the divebombing routine:
(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/2918/clipboard01hg5.jpg)
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The Ju 188 was no dive bomber.
The dive brake equipped versions were capable divebombers. Probably the use as such was very limited but they certainly were capable of doing it.
(http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/archiv/Bilder/Flugzeuge/ABC/j/Ju%20188/Ju%20188%20Sturzflugbremse.jpg)
http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/archiv/Bilder/Flugzeuge/ABC/j/Ju%20188/LichtbildreiheJunkers%20Ju%20188.htm (http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/archiv/Bilder/Flugzeuge/ABC/j/Ju%20188/LichtbildreiheJunkers%20Ju%20188.htm)
Btw Lusche, could you translate Bahnneigungsbomber for me? :)
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Btw Lusche, could you translate Bahnneigungsbomber for me? :)
Best translation would probably shallow-dive bomber
A "Bahnneigungsflug" is a "dive" with less than -15° diving angle.
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Best translation would probably shallow-dive bomber
A "Bahnneigungsflug" is a "dive" with less than -15° diving angle.
Thank you for the translation! That's what some of the Ju188 variants are referred in one german publication...
However, as can be seen from this table from the Ju188E-1 manual, Ju188E-1 and E-2 are referred here as Sturzkampfflugzeug...ie. a "true" divebomber. ;)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/ju188.jpg)
Ju188 was essentially continued Ju88 development. Therefore it retained a lot of the same cababilities that the Ju88 had.
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Thank you for the translation! That's what some of the Ju188 variants are referred in one german publication...
However, as can be seen from this table from the Ju188E-1 manual, Ju188E-1 and E-2 are referred here as Sturzkampfflugzeug...ie. a "true" divebomber. ;)
HA! I only knew about Bahnneigungsflug.
That means I was wrong... I know have to kill you and everyone else who read about my mistake... :noid
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HA! I only knew about Bahnneigungsflug.
:noid
That means I was wrong... I know have to kill you and everyone else who read about my mistake... :noid
:( :cry
:D
It's an interesting aircraft for sure, wish it's implemented someday... :)
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Anybody know what kinda bomb load it has. What mission would this Ju-188 have anyway. Why bring a plane that will rarely be used.
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It has better performance and noticably heavier firepower to defend itself. However, the bomb loads were comparable. They started showing up in mixed Ju88/Ju188 units as early as 1943. They became (essentially) the more modern front line bomber for the luftwaffe. Ju88s still served alongside it, simply because of sheer numbers and slow production, but it wasn't scarce at all.
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Anybody know what kinda bomb load it has. What mission would this Ju-188 have anyway. Why bring a plane that will rarely be used.
Why would it be rarely used? It carries 6,600lbs of bombs at ~335mph, has a MG151/20 20mm cannon in the top turret (full 360 degree coverage, unlike the Ki-67) as well as other defensive guns and would be fairly durable like the Ju88.
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Anybody know what kinda bomb load it has. What mission would this Ju-188 have anyway. Why bring a plane that will rarely be used.
Like Karnak stated the bomb load is equivalent to the B17 we have. Plus it can level bomb, dive bomb, torpedo run, and with the 20mm you can strafe. It is a very useful aircraft. Plus I just like flying the thing to get a break from the B24 or Lanc.
BigKev
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Why would it be rarely used? It carries 6,600lbs of bombs at ~335mph, has a MG151/20 20mm cannon in the top turret (full 360 degree coverage, unlike the Ki-67) as well as other defensive guns and would be fairly durable like the Ju88.
I just don't want it to end up like the Ju-88 did rarely flown.
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I just don't want it to end up like the Ju-88 did rarely flown.
Last month alone Ju88s in LW arenas had 600 kills and 4400 deaths.
Yeah, 4400 of them were shot down. I'd call that "rare"..... :rolleyes: That's more than both P39s and both P40s all combined. In deaths it's right around the P-47M, Ki-84, 109G14 and P-38J. Naturally it's not going to have as many kills, what with single 7mm forward guns, but deaths does indicate some of its use.
What we already have sees significantly more use than the B-25Cs, Ki67s, BostonIIIs, and Ar234s. Outside of the 4-engine bombers it's the most used twin-engine formation bomber*. The Ju188 would only take over that role. Hardly any risk of a hangar queen there.
*=Actually, the B-26 is used noticably more, but that's probably because it has as many guns as a B17/B24 and 4 fixed forward 50cal nose guns to boot. Really more of a 4-engine that's missing 2 outboard engines! lol