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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: billswagger on April 28, 2010, 04:15:54 AM
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Hello all,
I just downloaded the latest version of AH2, and it seems to be running a bit better for me than previous versions.
I'm in the process of mapping controls which i know will take some time to get comfortable with.
I've been able to figure a lot of it out by reading some of the bulletins and other help pages but i keep stumbling over the mouse pan views which is the setting i've preferred to use with other simulators and games.
Maybe someone here can help me make sense of the views and settings so that i can get them configured how i'd like them.
What i'm trying to do is pan with the mouse, but only when the left mouse button is pressed. When the left mouse button is released the mouse view returns to the center position.
I was able to tool around with the settings and got this to work, but when i later returned to the game something changed because instead of remaining centered, the mouse moved around regardless of whether i pressed the left button. I was also getting twitching and shaking as though the mouse view moves to another angle for a split second and then returns to where my mouse is pointing. There is no hat switch or keys mapped to act as a hat switch.
I'm trying to figure out what changed or how to get it so that the mouse stays centered unless i use the left button.
Here's what i have so far:
The mouse axi are mapped to the pitch and yaw views
The left mouse button is mapped to the "mouse hold" key so that the mouse input is read only while held.
I've also played with "preferences/views" settings and from what i can figure the mouse snap views needs to be unchecked, and starting in mouse view needs to be checked unless i press "shift M" at the beginning of the sortie.
I also pressed the "tracker move" key which got the mouse moving around the very first time i used the game, but i haven't figured out its placement or roll for configuring the mouse pan the way i'm trying to get it.
I figure a veteran player or someone using similar settings can help me out.
thanks and hopefully i can get airborne soon.
:joystick:
Bill
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Hi Bill
your answer is called a joystick , $25 bucks and its all better
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I think you need more buttons on your mouse with a configuration editor program for it...or buy a joystick. You would be a lot better off with a joystick.
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Bill,
Welcome to Aces High. The others are right. To get the most out of the game, start off with a joystick... and I recommend at least one that has rudder control on it to start (aka: twist stick). That will give you full control of your aircraft. Eventually, you will want to go to rudder pedals... but for now, a twist stick will do. The Saitek AV8R is a good stick, and not very expensive. There are other good ones out there I am sure, and it is all a matter of preference.
As you progress into the game (get hooked LOL) you will be like the rest of us and get rudder pedals and other stuff too. But flying with a mouse is just going to frustrate you and get you killed quite a bit without learning anything.
Good luck, and hope to see you in the air.
:salute
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thanks for the replies.
I actually have a joystick, but i will head your advice if i think i need more hardware. Never hurts... :) I'm quite accustomed to flight simming, so maybe i'm not a total newb to the sport, just this particular game. My question was getting the mouse pan to work properly because that's what i've grown use to with other simulators. That's just what works for me, and i know most people will do what suits them.
I had to adjust to using it because some sims don't have padlock, and i always thought the hat switch was somewhat limited in a dogfight. It probably just takes some getting use to also. In the end, i found that the mouse pan was best for my SA, because it also meant that i no longer needed to padlock on opponents. Padlock is SA killer, imo. I don't know how much that applies to this game, but i will find out the more i play.
Anyway, I think i was actually able to sort out my problem. As it turns out, i don't need to activate the mouse movement (shift M) if i have the mouse axis already mapped. I use the mouse hold function on my left mouse button and make sure that the internal view mode is in Pan view (f8, i think). This allows the mouse to only move when i press the left button, and it snaps back to center when released. Perfect for what i need, now its just a matter of fine tuning and smoothing out the settings the more i play.
As you know, control mapping can take several weeks to find a comfortable configuration. My mouse has five buttons and my controller has 4 thumb buttons and a trigger as well as another axis. So i need to fiddle around with it more to see what works, though i see the need for some pedals at some point, i'm gonna attempt to see what can be done for the mean time.
thanks again,
Bill
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Hi Bill,
The tracker move refers to the trackir. You don't want that. The mouse pitch and yaw is for mouse control not views.
I figured you had a joystick because you said you didn't map the hat to views. :lol
Edit: Before I switched to TrackIR I found that using 2 hats in combination, one on the throttle and one on the stick, gave me the fastest and most intuitive views.
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Welcome to Aces High. :)
Spending some $ on a joystick would be well worth it. You will enjoy it so much more.
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What brand/type of joystick do you have?
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Hi Bill,
The tracker move refers to the trackir. You don't want that. The mouse pitch and yaw is for mouse control not views.
No worries mate, i figured it out.
To end any sort of confusion,
When i go to map controls, and dial in the mouse, there are choices for ANALOG YAW VIEW and ANALOG PITCH VIEW which i set to the corresponding axis.
I inverted the Y axis so that when i move the mouse up, i look up. Default has this flipped around.
When i enter the game, the mouse doesn't respond.
So i have my left mouse button mapped to, GLOBAL MOUSE CONTROL HOLD DOWN
The mouse still doesn't respond while the left mouse button is held down.
If i press VIEW TRACKER MODE MOVE, the mouse begins to respond, and will move as a PAN, SNAP, or INSTANT depending on the DM setting, when the left mouse button is held down. When i release the left mouse button, it goes back to center.
Perfect. :aok
I also don't need any of the boxes checked in the PREFERENCES/View options screen as they interfere with this mode.
I have a Logitech Joystick that has lasted me over a year and half. I may need a new one soon, but to be honest there are other priorities in front of that one or any hardware for flight simming. I'm actually considering a computer upgrade before anything else so i need to make work with what i have.
Bill
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Thanks Bill, if anyone else has any mouse view problems I'll refer them to you. :cheers:
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Have you tried mapping left mouse button to shift M, that engages mouse view. Then you can use the mouse to pan around for views. I've never used mouse for views but the re-centering aspect might be a problem although I suppose you could map right mouse button for F1, to return to center view.
Welcome to Aces High and good luck.
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Have you tried mapping left mouse button to shift M, that engages mouse view. Then you can use the mouse to pan around for views. I've never used mouse for views but the re-centering aspect might be a problem although I suppose you could map right mouse button for F1, to return to center view.
Welcome to Aces High and good luck.
I actually had it that way to start. The confusing part was figuring out that shift M activates the mouse pan view regardless if you have the YAW/PITCH VIEWs mapped to the mouse. I started to get twitches and stutters in the pan views because the game was reading both inputs. ie both the YAW/PITCH VIEW and the Shift M view. They are really similar, actually, but actually mapping the YAW / PITCH VIEWS and deactivating shift M, lets me activate and center using only one button. Pluss i get the option of adjusting how sensitive or responsive the pans are. In effect, i can get a nice steady bead on targets even while i loop around or barrel roll. I think its the next best viewing option to TIR once you get used to it.
I've hit another stumbling block and i think it might actually be a bug so i will take it up over at that forum.
thanks for all of your input.
Bill
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I think you need more buttons on your mouse with a configuration editor program for it...or buy a joystick. You would be a lot better off with a joystick.
sad to say but i don't quite understand why everyone on here says you have to have a joystick :confused:, I've gone up against people with sticks and done just as good. i went to try a joystick because even though i was doing good with a mouse, that i could do even better with a stick, seconds later i was back to a mouse again :rofl. i started out with a keyboard and mouse, and still using it.
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sad to say but i don't quite understand why everyone on here says you have to have a joystick :confused:, I've gone up against people with sticks and done just as good. i went to try a joystick because even though i was doing good with a mouse, that i could do even better with a stick, seconds later i was back to a mouse again :rofl. i started out with a keyboard and mouse, and still using it.
Sorry, but IMO this is very poor advice.
The simple answer for me is: a mouse doesn't automatically centre itself. A joystick does. Additionally, a mouse also has to be used to control the game menus, so you can't use the map and control your plane at the same time. With a joystick, you can. Also, your mouse (unless it's a gaming mouse) will probably only have maybe 5 buttons on it. A decent joystick can have 2-3 times that number. Also, a joystick has a hatswitch (views), and generally a rudder - both of which a mouse will not have.
I'm almost 100% certain that if you'd stuck with the joystick, you'd find it improved your flying.
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Sorry, but IMO this is very poor advice.
The simple answer for me is: a mouse doesn't automatically centre itself. A joystick does. Additionally, a mouse also has to be used to control the game menus, so you can't use the map and control your plane at the same time. With a joystick, you can. Also, your mouse (unless it's a gaming mouse) will probably only have maybe 5 buttons on it. A decent joystick can have 2-3 times that number. Also, a joystick has a hatswitch (views), and generally a rudder - both of which a mouse will not have.
I'm almost 100% certain that if you'd stuck with the joystick, you'd find it improved your flying.
No my mouse only has 2 buttons on it, not a gaming mouse. all i said was that i don't understand why people say a joystick is better, i fly well with a mouse, and if you say a joystick could make me do better, i would be shocked. Because i've done very well with it, thats all I'm saying.
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No my mouse only has 2 buttons on it, not a gaming mouse. all i said was that i don't understand why people say a joystick is better, i fly well with a mouse, and if you say a joystick could make me do better, i would be shocked. Because i've done very well with it, thats all I'm saying.
Yes some people do well with a mouse, but as a suggestion to a new player I wouldn't recommend it. As for you trying a stick for a few seconds and then going back.... well ya :rolleyes: of course your going to like your mouse better. Getting use to a stick could take weeks, not seconds. Have have done both and much prefer the stick. Also seeing as I have stick, throttle, and pedals, I almost NEVER have to take my hands of the controls during a fight.
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This is my setup i have complete control of surfaces and my feet are usually on my desk while i fly.
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad157/wdebirch/aces%20high%20stuff/controllertrigger.jpg)
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad157/wdebirch/aces%20high%20stuff/controller.jpg)
this controller cost 25-30 canadian, and i swear by it, i am getting a trackIR which will free up alot of buttons for other stuff.
anyway if you're not after the cockpit feel this is way better then the mouse.
<S> DEEMAN
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That's actually pretty clever DeeAce. Maybe you can save me the search and answer what the vox range does, and what vox channel is for?
I don't think i've heard of too many people using a console like controller for a flight sim. Part of the reason i prefer Logitech is that they include more buttons and for that price range they are usually the best of the lot.
Its probably good for playing other games too, but i think for people who play flight sims a joystick is gonna hold some advantages. If you play enough and get use to it then i don't think it matters much, just the same as using a mouse to fly. I've always had a joystick so its never something i've tried.
I was mainly look to pan with the mouse, and i don't think flying with one is something i would ever consider. I'm too comfortable with the set up i have.
Bill
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ah ok, i thought you used the mouse to fly, my bad i just skimmed the thread. Vox is your voice chat, range for friendlies close to you, channel for your squad or mission your in.
and yeah when i started i tried a flight stick, it was a twistie, and man did i get frustrated, i used this controller for some FPS's and decided to try it out. I love it wouldn't go back ever. the main reason i like this so much is i have complete control of my plane at my finger/thumb tips, views, throttle, flaps, the whole shibang!
anyway since flying AH2 ive been through 2 of these, but really having to replace them every 1.5 to 2 years aint so bad. and you'll never hear me complain after a 8 hour session of a sore arm, neck, or back. Maybe sore thumbs lol
anyway welcome to AH :)
<S> DEEMAN
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Yes some people do well with a mouse, but as a suggestion to a new player I wouldn't recommend it. As for you trying a stick for a few seconds and then going back.... well ya :rolleyes: of course your going to like your mouse better. Getting use to a stick could take weeks, not seconds. Have have done both and much prefer the stick. Also seeing as I have stick, throttle, and pedals, I almost NEVER have to take my hands of the controls during a fight.
Its cool you have pedals, a stick, throttle and all that, I'm glad it works for you. i didn't just try it for seconds actually, i went in to the DA to see how well i would do, i found a dogfight with a spit-9 i was a 109-E, i out flew him well, but i could not shoot. :joystick: :D i don't know, these comments i'm pointing out don't seem to strike you guys at all lol.
cheers :salute
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Buck many of us have been here for 10 years.
We've seen mice guys come, and mice guys go.
We also know that a good joystick blows the socks off any mouse ever built.
For one simple reason. A mouse is designed as a pointing instrument.
A Joystick is designed for flying. It has all the controls needed in 1 location.
Including all 4 axis plus views, and buttons.
If there was any mouse ever built like that, it wouldn't be a mouse anymore.
It would be a joystick. :)
Many of us have tried a mouse, and we've seen what mouse flyers can do.
Have you seen what you could do with a decent stick?
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Some of us are just bad no matter what we use.
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Buck many of us have been here for 10 years.
We've seen mice guys come, and mice guys go.
We also know that a good joystick blows the socks off any mouse ever built.
For one simple reason. A mouse is designed as a pointing instrument.
A Joystick is designed for flying. It has all the controls needed in 1 location.
Including all 4 axis plus views, and buttons.
If there was any mouse ever built like that, it wouldn't be a mouse anymore.
It would be a joystick. :)
Many of us have tried a mouse, and we've seen what mouse flyers can do.
Have you seen what you could do with a decent stick?
No not really, i guess i haven't taken the time to see if i am better or more relaxed flying with a stick, i may have gotten a bad joystick or something :lol. who can tell, for one thing my mouth is bigger than my head, so you all must excuse me for my actions on this post. i have played aces high for 4 years now, so I'm no rookie just posting a lot of words, though i am new to this forum.
I didn't intend for my post on (newb question) to go like this, i just was confused on the reason why everyone stated that a stick was the best for every player. I guess to tell you the truth it bugged me, when people say that a stick will do the trick, when it takes skill and time in order to be a good fun flying pilot.
:salute
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Late War Tour 123 Statistics for Buck
Fighter Bomber Attack Veh./Boat Total
Kills 37 5 8 3 53
Assists 20 0 5 1 26
Sorties 60 35 22 14 131
Landed 16 12 4 5 37
Bailed 5 4 0 0 9
Ditched 0 0 0 3 3
Captured 4 1 0 1 6
Deaths 35 18 18 5 76
Discos 0 0 0 0 0
Time hh:mm:ss 08:41:49 03:25:14 02:47:42 00:57:00 15:51:45
Rank 1411 764 1570 1988 1096
you could do tons better than this with a stick. Gabby Gabreski never kilt anyone with a mouse
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Or he could do worse with a stick.
Late War Tour 123 Statistics for Flushed
Fighter Bomber Attack Veh./Boat Total
Kills 38 2 4 18 62 Assists 23 0 0 14 37
Sorties 98 31 16 148 293
if he flys better with a mouse than a stick good for him. He just state his opinion. I didn't see him say a mouse was better for someone else than a joystick. The important thing is to have fun and enjoy your time spent playing it.
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While I definitely agree with 'if it isn't broke, don't fix it' and if your flying with a mouse and doing well that is all well and good. Waaaaaay back when flight sims started, that's all they had, and you had to use a mouse. Games and gaming controllers evolved and now we have steering wheels for driving games and joysticks for flying games, controllers for other games, or mix and match. I usually state its more natural to use a joystick in the game, not better or worse. I will say you may learn the game slightly faster with a joystick as its more natural as I mentioned earlier.
I use the car analogy. You can steer a car and drive it fairly well with a crescent wrench for a steering wheel, but its more natural and easier to steer with a steering wheel.
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Late War Tour 123 Statistics for Buck
Fighter Bomber Attack Veh./Boat Total
Kills 37 5 8 3 53
Assists 20 0 5 1 26
Sorties 60 35 22 14 131
Landed 16 12 4 5 37
Bailed 5 4 0 0 9
Ditched 0 0 0 3 3
Captured 4 1 0 1 6
Deaths 35 18 18 5 76
Discos 0 0 0 0 0
Time hh:mm:ss 08:41:49 03:25:14 02:47:42 00:57:00 15:51:45
Rank 1411 764 1570 1988 1096
you could do tons better than this with a stick. Gabby Gabreski never kilt anyone with a mouse
bj229r, i'm not known as buck on aces high II, i've looked at my scores in MA blue arena.
"Fighter"
Kills. 122 Assists. 21 ranking. 987 Deaths. 63 Landed. 51
Hit %. 0.056410
Sadly i'm not in the MA as most pilots are, usually i play in the DA.
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if he flys better with a mouse than a stick good for him. He just state his opinion. I didn't see him say a mouse was better for someone else than a joystick. The important thing is to have fun and enjoy your time spent playing it.
Thank you wgmount :aok finally somebody knows what i was talking about. :)
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bj229r, i'm not known as buck on aces high II, i've looked at my scores in MA blue arena.
"Fighter"
Kills. 122 Assists. 21 ranking. 987 Deaths. 63 Landed. 51
Hit %. 0.056410
Sadly i'm not in the MA as most pilots are, usually i play in the DA.
Copy that, had to assume 'Buck' was your in-game name, but in the bigger picture, manipulating pixels with a mouse just isnt a flight sim!
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If you're having fun and are happy with your performance flying with a mouse, then by all means keep flying with a mouse!
Same goes for the gamepad. Yes I have used similar gamepads for flying in the past (similar assignments as well) and while it was better than nothing, it's still far from being as precise as a joystick is. Why? My guess is the short-throw of the 'sticks' on the gamepad. Basically you're trading a faster reaction time for less precision - but this isn't the only factor. If you grew up using a game-pad type controller, then you're probably going to do better with one... at least without tanking your score by using a joystick for a couple months to get used to it...
Personally, I use a joystick because... well because it feels more realistic to me. I've always been the type to crank the realism of MSFS all the way up. I couldn't do without my Track-IR... and I'm very intrigued by the idea of a force-feedback setup (perhaps a G940 in my near future if they ever work out the driver bugs...) but I'm also frugal. I'll probably wait until my X52 finally breaks before making that leap...
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Same goes for the gamepad. Yes I have used similar gamepads for flying in the past (similar assignments as well) and while it was better than nothing, it's still far from being as precise as a joystick is. Why? My guess is the short-throw of the 'sticks' on the gamepad. Basically you're trading a faster reaction time for less precision - but this isn't the only factor. If you grew up using a game-pad type controller, then you're probably going to do better with one... at least without tanking your score by using a joystick for a couple months to get used to it...
Late War Tour 123 Statistics for DEEMAN
Fighter Bomber Attack Veh./Boat Total
Kills 37 2 101 12 152
Assists 9 0 26 3 38
Sorties 30 33 111 21 195
Landed 12 15 18 6 51
Bailed 1 3 6 0 10
Ditched 1 2 1 1 5
Captured 7 1 19 0 27
Deaths 9 12 64 14 99
Discos 0 0 3 0 3
Time hh:mm:ss 06:38:10 03:30:18 19:59:36 02:37:14 32:45:18
Rank 288 728 556 533 236
<S> DEEMAN
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Copy that, had to assume 'Buck' was your in-game name, but in the bigger picture, manipulating pixels with a mouse just isnt a flight sim!
Roger bj229r, i'm beginning to feel that posting my opinion was a bad move, I'm sorry that i brought the whole thing up. i didn't know that aces high pilots who have flown for 10 to 9 years would respond this way.
a stick is a stick, a mouse is a mouse, lets leave it at that. :salute
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Hopefully we wont encounter a mouse with a pointed stick!!
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Then of course, there's the tards in those girly 2 engine thingies with the cute little steering wheels :D
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Then of course, there's the tards in those girly 2 engine thingies with the cute little steering wheels :D
:rofl