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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Juicey1 on May 08, 2010, 09:35:15 AM
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The next time you guys do a re-model or version of the game will you consider the re-model of the Grumman F6F Hellcat. Just like the BF109, F4u, Spitfire and p51 there are several models to choose from. Would be nice if the F6F-6 would be added to the line up. Airframe and platform was pretty much the same except for armament and engine. The F6F-6 was equipped with 4 outboard .50 cal Mg's, and 2 inboard 20mm hispano cannon's. Also the engine was changed to the P&W R-2800-18w with a 4 bladed paddle prop with a top speed of 416mph at altitude. Thanks for your time and consideration.
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Never saw combat. Never even got out of the PROTOTYPE stage with only two airframes constructed.
Now the F6F-3 would be useful.
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If only the Bearcart saw service. It's such a beautiful airframe and the performance very good. Hawker Sea Fury also. :cry
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If only the Bearcart saw service. It's such a beautiful airframe and the performance very good. Hawker Sea Fury also. :cry
Bearcat was in service before end of the war. it just never saw enemy planes, since the front lines was 5k miles away, took time to
travel there. Too me the only diff between ta 152 n F8F is the Ta saw combat because the enemy flew over their airfields everyday.
F8F was in production and in Squad level service.
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Bearcat was in service before end of the war. it just never saw enemy planes, since the front lines was 5k miles away, took time to
travel there. Too me the only diff between ta 152 n F8F is the Ta saw combat because the enemy flew over their airfields everyday.
F8F was in production and in Squad level service.
In my opinion,,by those standards, it should be in the game then, at a high perk price! that said there are many other planes that did see the enemy, that we still don't have Yak 3!!!! :airplane:
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Just remember the F8F's that were in squadron service at the end of the war only had 4x.50's not the 4x20mm's.
I'd love to have the F8F and the F7F, but it will probably never happen.
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Silly me, I ment to say it didn't see combat.
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Silly me, I ment to say it didn't see combat.
If a plane was in production and in squad level service, it should be here. I thin F8f should be here
eventually with a high perk (50 to 100).
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If a plane was in production and in squad level service, it should be here. I thin F8f should be here
eventually with a high perk (50 to 100).
So, you do thin every plane that was produced in any quantity and put into service at a minimum of squadron level should be included? Or just the planes you like?
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Bearcat was in service before end of the war. it just never saw enemy planes, since the front lines was 5k miles away, took time to
travel there. Too me the only diff between ta 152 n F8F is the Ta saw combat because the enemy flew over their airfields everyday.
F8F was in production and in Squad level service.
TA152 saw combat because it was shooting down enemy aircraft and beeing shot down in turn.
F8F was sitting on a ship in the Pacific out of harms way.
Just a minor, little difference.
wrongway
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TA152 saw combat because it was shooting down enemy aircraft and beeing shot down in turn.
F8F was sitting on a ship in the Pacific out of harms way.
Just a minor, little difference.
wrongway
of the what 50 152s produced, they only saw combat because Allies flew over their airfield, the F8F had to
travel to Okinawa area to find enemy.
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of the what 50 152s produced, they only saw combat because Allies flew over their airfield, the F8F had to
travel to Okinawa area to find enemy.
That which they did not find enemies, did they.
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A few other points:
1) The Allies weren't losing, so we weren't rushing our latest ideas to production and service and throwing them into the mix.
2) The Japanese were hoarding their best stuff for the defense of Japan, so much of it didn't see combat or much combat.
3) If we were to start seeing almost made it stuff, it would favor the Allies quite a bit due to the lack of performance documentation on much of the Axis almost made it aircraft.
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A few other points:
1) The Allies weren't losing, so we weren't rushing our latest ideas to production and service and throwing them into the mix.
2) The Japanese were hoarding their best stuff for the defense of Japan, so much of it didn't see combat or much combat.
3) If we were to start seeing almost made it stuff, it would favor the Allies quite a bit due to the lack of performance documentation on much of the Axis almost made it aircraft.
This :aok
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If a plane was in production and in squad level service, it should be here. I thin F8f should be here
eventually with a high perk (50 to 100).
Just wondering how many F8Fs ten years of perks would get me...... :x
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It is a valid point since this is a simulation not a historical reenactment. Accordingly any plane in active service at squadron strength in a unit that was combat capable should be eligible for inclusion.
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The P51-H was in a "What plane next" poll by HTC a long time ago. Did that stang even see combat?
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The F8F should not be included simply on the demerit that it's one of the most hideous aircraft to almost see service in any war.
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First time in my life I've ever had to disagree with Motherland. This, Ugly? No!
(http://www.warbirddepot.com/dbimages/146/146-a-1280.jpg)
Still it's no Spitfire.
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Are you kidding? Look at that big hideous "NAVY" on the side. You could at LEAST pick one that says MARINES.
Regardless, I think the "had to see combat" rule is a valid one.
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f8f is pretty siptfire is ugly
Ki 102 is beautiful :)
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The P51-H was in a "What plane next" poll by HTC a long time ago. Did that stang even see combat?
Never fired a shot in anger nor did it every see an enemy aircraft and was deemed unsuitable for combat in Korea.
ack-ack
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OK so since when does the navy operate in Denver, however it does bring up a great song to fly the F-8 to :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLcfz8jMKzM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLcfz8jMKzM)
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Perhaps one of the non-populated arenas could be converted to a Post War arena, where F7F, F8F, P-63s and other post war birds could fight it out. I think part of the fun and attraction of a 'SIM' is the "what if?" scenarios. It would be fun to see how some of these birds would have performed if the war had gone on for a few years longer. I believe a long time ago there was a sim called 1946, or something like that, I think this was the premise. It may also have contained some planes that only made the protoype stage like the Do 335[?] Arrow, the German interceptor with a pusher and puller prop, among others.
I get the value of the current HTC rules for plane inclusion in the game, but the historic representation is a bit compromised by lightning fighting mustangs fighting corsairs etc, anyway. Perhaps a Post War arena would be fun enough to warrant adding planes that don't meet the current rules for inclusion just so we could see "what if?"
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Perhaps one of the non-populated arenas could be converted to a Post War arena, where F7F, F8F, P-63s and other post war birds could fight it out. I think part of the fun and attraction of a 'SIM' is the "what if?" scenarios. It would be fun to see how some of these birds would have performed if the war had gone on for a few years longer. I believe a long time ago there was a sim called 1946, or something like that, I think this was the premise. It may also have contained some planes that only made the protoype stage like the Do 335[?] Arrow, the German interceptor with a pusher and puller prop, among others.
I get the value of the current HTC rules for plane inclusion in the game, but the historic representation is a bit compromised by lightning fighting mustangs fighting corsairs etc, anyway. Perhaps a Post War arena would be fun enough to warrant adding planes that don't meet the current rules for inclusion just so we could see "what if?"
The 1946 sim was an IL-2 expansion with aircraft that not only didn't see combat but didn't ever even get off the drawing board. Of course some have mentioned that correct flight models has not been a great concern in IL-2 anyway.
What if.... HTC took the time and resources to model these aircaft but they were not available in any arena? Like the RV-8? Make them "what if..." scenario aircraft only.
wrongway
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I've always been curious where the "current HTC rules" are specific to inclusion of a specific plane. All i've ever found is this...
Aces High is a massive multi-player online combat simulation centered around the World War II air-war. Here are some of the highlights.
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Perhaps one of the non-populated arenas could be converted to a Post War arena, where F7F, F8F, P-63s and other post war birds could fight it out. I think part of the fun and attraction of a 'SIM' is the "what if?" scenarios. It would be fun to see how some of these birds would have performed if the war had gone on for a few years longer. I believe a long time ago there was a sim called 1946, or something like that, I think this was the premise. It may also have contained some planes that only made the protoype stage like the Do 335[?] Arrow, the German interceptor with a pusher and puller prop, among others.
I get the value of the current HTC rules for plane inclusion in the game, but the historic representation is a bit compromised by lightning fighting mustangs fighting corsairs etc, anyway. Perhaps a Post War arena would be fun enough to warrant adding planes that don't meet the current rules for inclusion just so we could see "what if?"
What if is great if you don't mind "what if" settings for the flight models and the interiors...lack of documentation which is important when trying to model something. The game you're thinking about is IL2-1946...and although "cool" it was ok if you didn't know any better. There were a couple of things that were done very well but overall, the entire game was lacking.
What if.... HTC took the time and resources to model these aircaft but they were not available in any arena? Like the RV-8? Make them "what if..." scenario aircraft only.
wrongway
That would be a great idea...as long as no one wanted anything else added to or improved upon in AH. As if HTC has the manpower or the desire to devote all resources to the "what if"...you guys have to stop thinking HTC is some big game developer.
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P-63.... :aok
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The inevitable result of running out of late war WWII American gear isn't people switching to ask for other nation's WWII gear, it is to ask for American gear that didn't make it....
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The inevitable result of running out of late war WWII American gear isn't people switching to ask for other nation's WWII gear, it is to ask for American gear that didn't make it....
p-63 did. :D
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F7F was in theater and flying when the bomb dropped--just not flying combat missions yet.
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F7F was in theater and flying when the bomb dropped--just not flying combat missions yet.
Ki-43 was in theater and flying combat operations when the bombs dropped.....on Pearl and it was still in theater flying combat operations when the bomb dropped on Nagasaki.
You see why some of us might think the Ki-43 has a high priority than the F7F?
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p-63 did. :D
Let's not get into THIS debate again....
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Ki-43 was in theater and flying combat operations when the bombs dropped.....on Pearl and it was still in theater flying combat operations when the bomb dropped on Nagasaki.
You see why some of us might think the Ki-43 has a high priority than the F7F?
Whoa man. You misunderstand. I'm in no way proposing that the F7F be added anytime soon. Merely mentioning it with respect to some of the discussion about the F8F, et al... I'm absolutely in agreement that the gaps be filled first.
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A Bearcat would be nice, that wasn't Korean war? :old:
:cheers: FlakBait
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Let's not get into THIS debate again....
What it didn't shoot down an enemy AC unlike the F7F and the F8F?
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Ki-43 was in theater and flying combat operations when the bombs dropped.....on Pearl and it was still in theater flying combat operations when the bomb dropped on Nagasaki.
You see why some of us might think the Ki-43 has a high priority than the F7F?
Karnak, we realise that geting the Ki-43 in the game is your top priority, not sure you need to keep inserting your wish into everyone elses thread. Not really on topic is it?
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Karnak, we realise that geting the Ki-43 in the game is your top priority, not sure you need to keep inserting your wish into everyone elses thread. Not really on topic is it?
Not to slam you Vinkman, but the wishlist is full of useless chaff like this thread and Karnak is right...Ki-43 is needed far and beyond the "what if" aircraft. If everyone who started a discussion here would consider the effects on the game and the community before posting "I want another pony" junk, wouldn't be any problems...but that's not likely to happen any more than getting the F6F-6 or F8F.
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Not to slam you Vinkman, but the wishlist is full of useless chaff like this thread and Karnak is right...Ki-43 is needed far and beyond the "what if" aircraft. If everyone who started a discussion here would consider the effects on the game and the community before posting "I want another pony" junk, wouldn't be any problems...but that's not likely to happen any more than getting the F6F-6 or F8F.
Hey slam away :aok
I just think a good use of the wishlist board is to post what you want and if a lot of folks agree, then that's good feedback for HTC. If no one joins replies than a post with no or few replies gets very little attention. I'm just suggesting that it gets muddled and confused when every thread turns into every other thread because every wish is regurjitated in every other wish. After a period of time, Karnak can repost his Ki-43 wish so new folks and others can tulips if they still think it's high priority. If everytime the Ki-43 wish is posted it get 125 affirmative replies, HTC will get the message. And if he does, I promise I won't go to his thread and say "No way the P-63 is way more better" or some other such hijacking type comment.
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The Ki-43 isn't my top priority, it was just useful in that context due to its service period and absence from AH.
The "Wishlist" is full of requests for more late, or post war, American stuff when the American planeset is, by far, the most complete.
This is a public forum and I can post my opinion of those threads. I consider them self centered idiocy.
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The P51-H was in a "What plane next" poll by HTC a long time ago. Did that stang even see combat?
Depends on your definition of combat.
If bullets have to fly before it's baptized as a "combat vet", then no.
However, it was in service, and flying patrols in the pacific in a combat theater.
That may not be good enough for some, but it's good enough for me.
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That may not be good enough for some, but it's good enough for me.
It's not good enough for the ones who actually make the decisions...and in the end, that is all that counts.
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I appreciate the time you ppl are taking to talk about every fricken plane otherthan the hellcat. :mad:
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I appreciate the time you ppl are taking to talk about every fricken plane otherthan the hellcat. :mad:
(http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/6512/original/DoubleFacePalm.jpg)
If you'd been PAYING ATTENTION you'd see why the F6F-6 will never appear in the game.
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I hope I misunderstood you Karnak.
I hope you didn't say that anyone that wants the Bearcat in the game is a self centered idiot.
The second that the first patrol was flown by an F8F off of an operational carrier, it was at war. Any other postition is delusional. Those men where at war, the aircraft they were in was at war. The war they were in was WW2, the focus of this game.
Please clarify. Because your history of whining about one plane until you get it then the next day switching to whining about another really has to be curtailed if you think it entitles you to vilify others reasonable desires for operational WW2 aircraft to be included in the game.
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Uh, Pongo, the F8F wasn't even IN THEATER when its "patrols" were flown.
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Pongo, there is nothing "reasonable" about wishing for the F8F in AH...may as well as for the P-80. Face value of almost all of the late war Allied aircraft and some of the Axis aircraft wishes boils down to absolute irrefutable "cool factor"...has nothing to to with usefulness within the realm of AH...especially in the cases where the aircraft never engaged an enemy in combat.
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I hope I misunderstood you Karnak.
I hope you didn't say that anyone that wants the Bearcat in the game is a self centered idiot.
The second that the first patrol was flown by an F8F off of an operational carrier, it was at war. Any other postition is delusional. Those men where at war, the aircraft they were in was at war. The war they were in was WW2, the focus of this game.
Please clarify. Because your history of whining about one plane until you get it then the next day switching to whining about another really has to be curtailed if you think it entitles you to vilify others reasonable desires for operational WW2 aircraft to be included in the game.
If I'm not mistaken, everyone in Continental North America was also at war and some were possibly flying as well.
Let's just broaden the criteria to suit our argument a little more, why don't we?
wrongway
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Pongo, there is nothing "reasonable" about wishing for the F8F in AH...may as well as for the P-80. Face value of almost all of the late war Allied aircraft and some of the Axis aircraft wishes boils down to absolute irrefutable "cool factor"...has nothing to to with usefulness within the realm of AH...especially in the cases where the aircraft never engaged an enemy in combat.
I think the biggest issue always revolves around the "combat" issue. I certainly feel like that should be the focus until we have a significant representation of all major combatant aircraft that flew between 1939-1945. And yes, I said "significant representation" and "major combatant". After we have those, I see nothing wrong with exploring the possibilities of aircraft like the F8F or F7F, Sea Fury, [insert your favorite late war monster here]. So, when people come into the wishlist forum and ask for an aircraft like the F8F, that was a production aircraft that flew operationally, etc., we should all say "after the gaps have been filled in" instead of "you'll never see it and you're a noob-tard for asking". For an aircraft version such as the F6F-6 that was never used operationally, it can be shelved indefinitely.
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Don't be ridiculous.
Its a WW2 aircraft, only a narrowing of the definition to serve some other agenda would declassify it as such.
This is not the B36
Its not the Ta183
This was an aircraft that had been accepted for fleet use, completed its trials, put in full production to 100s of units, put on ship in squadron strength and was on a war patrol for weeks when the war ended. It is a ww2 plane.
Just say you don't want to see it in the game and leave it at that, do not try to validate your preference with any self serving re definition of what WW2 was.
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Don't be ridiculous.
Its a WW2 aircraft, only a narrowing of the definition to serve some other agenda would declassify it as such.
This is not the B36
Its not the Ta183
This was an aircraft that had been accepted for fleet use, completed its trials, put in full production to 100s of units, put on ship in squadron strength and was on a war patrol for weeks when the war ended. It is a ww2 plane.
Just say you don't want to see it in the game and leave it at that, do not try to validate your preference with any self serving re definition of what WW2 was.
I guess you missed this, so I'll repeat it again and hopefully you'll catch it this time:
It was NOT IN THEATER.
There's no redefinition of WWII involved. The F8F was on a ship EN ROUTE when the Japanese surrendered. It was not flying combat patrols IN THE WAR ZONE. PERIOD.
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Pongo,
Depends, if people want it eventually, fine, I have no issue with that. If people think it should be on the high priority list, I think they're wrong. I think, at the very least, that the core combat models from each nation should be added before anything like the P-51H, F7F or F8F gets added. I would consider the B6N, D4Y, G4M, Ki-21, Ki-43, C.200, S.M.79, Do217, LaGG-3, Pe-2, Yak-1, Yak-3, Yak-7, Beaufighter and Wellington as about the most basic list of core combat types that are missing and should be added before any "almost made it" types are considered.
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SB2C also.
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*cough* He-111 *cough*
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Yes, SB2C and He111 as well.
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Pongo,
Depends, if people want it eventually, fine, I have no issue with that. If people think it should be on the high priority list, I think they're wrong. I think, at the very least, that the core combat models from each nation should be added before anything like the P-51H, F7F or F8F gets added. I would consider the B6N, D4Y, G4M, Ki-21, Ki-43, C.200, S.M.79, Do217, LaGG-3, Pe-2, Yak-1, Yak-3, Yak-7, Beaufighter and Wellington as about the most basic list of core combat types that are missing and should be added before any "almost made it" types are considered.
Put very well. My thoughts exactly. and uhh...Ki-44 as well :aok
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Put very well. My thoughts exactly. and uhh...Ki-44 as well :aok
Ki-44 nothing can get alt. like it.
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There weren't enough Ki-44s or J2Ms built to really considered a core combat type, in my opinion. It would be nice to have, but....
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I am all for Combat models first,,Yak 3 is the first one on my list!M18 hellcat is next!!
but once all those are filled, then the coulda shoulda woulda bens, heck yea!
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There weren't enough Ki-44s or J2Ms built to really considered a core combat type, in my opinion. It would be nice to have, but....
I'm the same way on the J2M, but at least the Ki-44 hit over the 1,000 production mark. But I see your point as we are missing planes that had more produced than the Ki-44.
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Saxman the F8F was IN Theater, but not at the front lines. I also would say they where flying
patrols otw.
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As there are so many aircraft that individuals would like to see in game. You can not expect everyone to agree on which should be next.
Personally, discounting aircraft from a potential future lineup in AH based upon combat use or historically not being present is irrelevant. Scenarios and events do not need the F8, but that not to say that the MA would not benefit from its use. Adding should be based upon the community as a whole. We pay for it and the a few nay sayers should not dictate the line up.
I would like to see a poll from HTC with potential of aircraft to be designed next and let the AH community decide on how their dollars are spent.
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Saxman the F8F was IN Theater...
Where? Everything I've ever seen puts her on a boat several hundred miles away from the theater at the time of the surrender, if not further.
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Where? Everything I've ever seen puts her on a boat several hundred miles away from the theater at the time of the surrender, if not further.
Its PTO - Pacific Theater of Operation not just 1 part. Id bet the CV was between Hawaii and Japan.
be like saying England wasnt in theater when running missions over Berlin.
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I not saying it should be here soon, but it should be in AH at some point. It was a WW2 production fighter.
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Saxman the F8F was IN Theater, but not at the front lines. I also would say they where flying
patrols otw.
Where? Everything I've ever seen puts her on a boat several hundred miles away from the theater at the time of the surrender, if not further.
Two squadrons, VF-18 and VF-19 were equipped with F8F-1s, and training was expedited in order to get the new fighter into service against Japanese suicide attack planes in the Pacific. VF-19 was on board the carrier USS Langley, en route across the Pacific, when the war ended on August 16, 1945.
From:From: DICTIONARY OF AMERICAN NAVAL FIGHTING SHIPS, Vol. IV (1969), p. 47-48. found at http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/carriers/cvl27.htm (http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/carriers/cvl27.htm):
After touching Ulithi and Pearl Harbor, she steamed to San Francisco, arriving 3 June for repairs and modernization. She departed 1 August for the forward area, and reached Pearl Harbor 8 August. While there, word arrived that hostilities had ended.
So, from August 8, 1945 until the end of hostilities, the closest F8F to combat was sitting at Pearl Harbor.
That's 3,943 miles from Japan.
New York City is 3975 miles from Berlin.....
Don't worry, we'll make the facts fit how we want them to.
wrongway
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So your saying Pearl wasnt in PTO? You gona tell those men who died Dec 7th, they werent, since they were at Pearl.
From:From: DICTIONARY OF AMERICAN NAVAL FIGHTING SHIPS, Vol. IV (1969), p. 47-48. found at http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/carriers/cvl27.htm (http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/carriers/cvl27.htm):
So, from August 8, 1945 until the end of hostilities, the closest F8F to combat was sitting at Pearl Harbor.
That's 3,943 miles from Japan.
New York City is 3975 miles from Berlin.....
Don't worry, we'll make the facts fit how we want them to.
wrongway
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So your saying Pearl wasnt in PTO? You gona tell those men who died Dec 7th, they werent, since they were at Pearl.
There were no Bearcats at Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941. And your saying Pearl was in a war zone in August, 1945?
What if the U.S.S. Langley happend to be transiting the Panama Canal at the time? Is that in a war zone regarding the generally accepted criteria for adding aircraft to the game? I mean, the Japanese had a plan to attack the Panama Canal in 1945.
The Japanese shelled the west coast more than once in 1942. Is the west coast a war zone?
Germany operated U-Boats off the east coast from 1942 to 1945. Is the east coast a war zone?
Like I said, keep stretching history to fit your requirements.
wrongway
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Yes they all were part of the war zone, otherwise we wouldnt have had blackouts @ night and such. We ran patrols off both coasts for subs and other
things. The people killed in the US by the japan ballon bombs were considered war casualties. Warzone wasnt confined to front lines, you where just less likely to be attacked way behind the lines.
Between November 1944 and April 1945, Japan launched over 9000 fire balloons. About 300 balloon bombs were found or observed in North America, killing six people.
There were no Bearcats at Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941. And your saying Pearl was in a war zone in August, 1945?
What if the U.S.S. Langley happend to be transiting the Panama Canal at the time? Is that in a war zone regarding the generally accepted criteria for adding aircraft to the game? I mean, the Japanese had a plan to attack the Panama Canal in 1945.
The Japanese shelled the west coast more than once in 1942. Is the west coast a war zone?
Germany operated U-Boats off the east coast from 1942 to 1945. Is the east coast a war zone?
Like I said, keep stretching history to fit your requirements.
wrongway
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killing six people.
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cause they screwed with bombs
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Yes, awgryyy
all war zones.
That is why the bear cat is a production ww2 aircraft. You will keep trying to redefine ww2 until it suites your needs I suppose.
But you can be sure, the guys that flew the bear cat on its first war cruise were WW2 pilots. It is a WW2 plane.
I guess the navy guys deciding to deploy them didn't know a nuke or two was going to end the war. Or they might have been sure air ferry some to the front.
The other plane so many Nancie's do not want in the game, the B29, kept the Bearcat and Tigercat from shooting down a few untrained japanese pilots so that everyone could come up with another excuse why the planes cant be in the game.
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I'd like to see the B-29 added, I just don't like how much developer time it would take to make it happen. It is the ultimate WWII bomber and for AH the ultimate perk bomber.
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I'd like to see the B-29 added, I just don't like how much developer time it would take to make it happen. It is the ultimate WWII bomber and for AH the ultimate perk bomber.
hehe 1000 perks for plane and bomb. kills entire field and town 1 drop.
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hehe 1000 perks for plane and bomb. kills entire field and town 1 drop.
The B-29 would not include the nuke. I don't want the nuke added, which it will not be. The B-29's 20,000lb conventional load is more than adequate.
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Yes, awgryyy
all war zones.
That is why the bear cat is a production ww2 aircraft. You will keep trying to redefine ww2 until it suites your needs I suppose.
But you can be sure, the guys that flew the bear cat on its first war cruise were WW2 pilots. It is a WW2 plane.
I guess the navy guys deciding to deploy them didn't know a nuke or two was going to end the war. Or they might have been sure air ferry some to the front.
The other plane so many Nancie's do not want in the game, the B29, kept the Bearcat and Tigercat from shooting down a few untrained japanese pilots so that everyone could come up with another excuse why the planes cant be in the game.
The Airacomet was deployed to a full fighter group in the States. Does that mean it belongs in the game as well?
HTC specified aircraft had to see combat to be added, and it's the RIGHT choice. It creates a DEFINITIVE dividing line between aircraft that belong in the game and aircraft that don't. As bad as requests for almost-made-its and obscure field mods and prototypes are already, the minute you let in a plane like the F8F you're just asking to open the floodgates.
It didn't see combat, it doesn't belong. That's a very simple, clear, and FAIR cutoff.
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The Airacomet was deployed to a full fighter group in the States. Does that mean it belongs in the game as well?
HTC specified aircraft had to see combat to be added, and it's the RIGHT choice. It creates a DEFINITIVE dividing line between aircraft that belong in the game and aircraft that don't. As bad as requests for almost-made-its and obscure field mods and prototypes are already, the minute you let in a plane like the F8F you're just asking to open the floodgates.
It didn't see combat, it doesn't belong. That's a very simple, clear, and FAIR cutoff.
I agree 100%