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Offline Pongo

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Re: Grumman F6F-6
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2010, 10:56:49 AM »
I hope I misunderstood you Karnak.
I hope you didn't say that anyone that wants the Bearcat in the game is a self centered idiot.
The second that the first patrol was flown by an F8F off of an operational carrier, it was at war. Any other postition is delusional. Those men where at war, the aircraft they were in was at war. The war they were in was WW2, the focus of this game.
Please clarify. Because your history of whining about one plane until you get it then the next day switching to whining about another really has to be curtailed if you think it entitles you to vilify others reasonable desires for operational WW2 aircraft to be included in the game.


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Offline Saxman

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« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2010, 11:02:17 AM »
Uh, Pongo, the F8F wasn't even IN THEATER when its "patrols" were flown.
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« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2010, 11:38:19 AM »
Pongo, there is nothing "reasonable" about wishing for the F8F in AH...may as well as for the P-80. Face value of almost all of the late war Allied aircraft and some of the Axis aircraft wishes boils down to absolute irrefutable "cool factor"...has nothing to to with usefulness within the realm of AH...especially in the cases where the aircraft never engaged an enemy in combat.
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Re: Grumman F6F-6
« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2010, 12:24:48 PM »
Quote from: Pongo on May 13, 2010, 10:56:49 AM
I hope I misunderstood you Karnak.
I hope you didn't say that anyone that wants the Bearcat in the game is a self centered idiot.
The second that the first patrol was flown by an F8F off of an operational carrier, it was at war. Any other postition is delusional. Those men where at war, the aircraft they were in was at war. The war they were in was WW2, the focus of this game.
Please clarify. Because your history of whining about one plane until you get it then the next day switching to whining about another really has to be curtailed if you think it entitles you to vilify others reasonable desires for operational WW2 aircraft to be included in the game.




If I'm not mistaken, everyone in Continental North America was also at war and some were possibly flying as well. 

Let's just broaden the criteria to suit our argument a little more, why don't we?



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Re: Grumman F6F-6
« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2010, 12:25:34 PM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on May 13, 2010, 11:38:19 AM
Pongo, there is nothing "reasonable" about wishing for the F8F in AH...may as well as for the P-80. Face value of almost all of the late war Allied aircraft and some of the Axis aircraft wishes boils down to absolute irrefutable "cool factor"...has nothing to to with usefulness within the realm of AH...especially in the cases where the aircraft never engaged an enemy in combat.

I think the biggest issue always revolves around the "combat" issue.  I certainly feel like that should be the focus until we have a significant representation of all major combatant aircraft that flew between 1939-1945.  And yes, I said "significant representation" and "major combatant".  After we have those, I see nothing wrong with exploring the possibilities of aircraft like the F8F or F7F, Sea Fury, [insert your favorite late war monster here].  So, when people come into the wishlist forum and ask for an aircraft like the F8F, that was a production aircraft that flew operationally, etc., we should all say "after the gaps have been filled in" instead of "you'll never see it and you're a noob-tard for asking".  For an aircraft version such as the F6F-6 that was never used operationally, it can be shelved indefinitely.
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Re: Grumman F6F-6
« Reply #50 on: May 13, 2010, 03:31:21 PM »
Don't be ridiculous.
Its a WW2 aircraft, only a narrowing of the definition to serve some other agenda would declassify it as such.

This is not the B36
Its not the Ta183
This was an aircraft that had been accepted for fleet use, completed its trials, put in full production to 100s of units, put on ship in squadron strength and was on a war patrol for weeks when the war ended. It is a ww2 plane.

Just say you don't want to see it in the game and leave it at that, do not try to validate your preference with any self serving re definition of what WW2 was.




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Re: Grumman F6F-6
« Reply #51 on: May 13, 2010, 03:47:32 PM »
Quote from: Pongo on May 13, 2010, 03:31:21 PM
Don't be ridiculous.
Its a WW2 aircraft, only a narrowing of the definition to serve some other agenda would declassify it as such.

This is not the B36
Its not the Ta183
This was an aircraft that had been accepted for fleet use, completed its trials, put in full production to 100s of units, put on ship in squadron strength and was on a war patrol for weeks when the war ended. It is a ww2 plane.

Just say you don't want to see it in the game and leave it at that, do not try to validate your preference with any self serving re definition of what WW2 was.






I guess you missed this, so I'll repeat it again and hopefully you'll catch it this time:

It was NOT IN THEATER.

There's no redefinition of WWII involved. The F8F was on a ship EN ROUTE when the Japanese surrendered. It was not flying combat patrols IN THE WAR ZONE. PERIOD.
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Re: Grumman F6F-6
« Reply #52 on: May 13, 2010, 07:29:12 PM »
Pongo,

Depends, if people want it eventually, fine, I have no issue with that.  If people think it should be on the high priority list, I think they're wrong.  I think, at the very least, that the core combat models from each nation should be added before anything like the P-51H, F7F or F8F gets added.  I would consider the B6N, D4Y, G4M, Ki-21, Ki-43, C.200, S.M.79, Do217, LaGG-3, Pe-2, Yak-1, Yak-3, Yak-7, Beaufighter and Wellington as about the most basic list of core combat types that are missing and should be added before any "almost made it" types are considered.
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Re: Grumman F6F-6
« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2010, 07:53:57 PM »
SB2C also.
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« Reply #54 on: May 13, 2010, 07:54:53 PM »
*cough* He-111 *cough*
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Offline Karnak

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Re: Grumman F6F-6
« Reply #55 on: May 13, 2010, 08:05:20 PM »
Yes, SB2C and He111 as well.
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Re: Grumman F6F-6
« Reply #56 on: May 13, 2010, 08:18:46 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on May 13, 2010, 07:29:12 PM
Pongo,

Depends, if people want it eventually, fine, I have no issue with that.  If people think it should be on the high priority list, I think they're wrong.  I think, at the very least, that the core combat models from each nation should be added before anything like the P-51H, F7F or F8F gets added.  I would consider the B6N, D4Y, G4M, Ki-21, Ki-43, C.200, S.M.79, Do217, LaGG-3, Pe-2, Yak-1, Yak-3, Yak-7, Beaufighter and Wellington as about the most basic list of core combat types that are missing and should be added before any "almost made it" types are considered.


Put very well. My thoughts exactly. and uhh...Ki-44 as well  :aok
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Re: Grumman F6F-6
« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2010, 08:24:15 PM »
Quote from: HighTone on May 13, 2010, 08:18:46 PM

Put very well. My thoughts exactly. and uhh...Ki-44 as well  :aok

Ki-44 nothing can get alt. like it.
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Offline Karnak

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Re: Grumman F6F-6
« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2010, 08:29:42 PM »
There weren't enough Ki-44s or J2Ms built to really considered a core combat type, in my opinion.  It would be nice to have, but....
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Offline WWhiskey

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Re: Grumman F6F-6
« Reply #59 on: May 13, 2010, 08:36:27 PM »
I am all for Combat models first,,Yak 3 is the first one on my list!M18 hellcat is next!!
but once all those are filled, then the coulda shoulda woulda bens, heck yea!
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