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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: dirt911 on May 15, 2010, 11:43:39 PM
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Can someone give me any specs on A-1 vs. A-2 they are both almost the same but i believe that A-2 was faster and carried 12-55mm PB1 rockets.
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so you want an even higher perk rated 262? :headscratch:
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No..just asking for a comparison if i wanted a higher perked 262 this would be in the wishlist.
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Why would it be faster? Germany only had one jet engine in service.
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Im not sure just thought of it being a higher horse engine.But the rockets i know were mounted on it.
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Jets are not referred to in horsepower, but rather in lbs of thrust (or kgs of thrust). Rocket hard points would make it draggier, thus slower.
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Draggier, a new word, add it, Websters! :lol
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Yes but that is the pilots choice if he wants them let him have them.
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Can someone give me any specs on A-1 vs. A-2 they are both almost the same but i believe that A-2 was faster and carried 12-55mm PB1 rockets.
Do you know how to do internet searches?
Anyways, the A-1 was a fighter while the A-2 was a fighter-bomber and only had 2 cannons.
Maximum speed:
Me 262A-1a: 540mph (870km/h)
Me 262A-2a: 470 mph (755km/h)
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AFAIK they made a few 262's with more "sweep" to the wings, thus increasing the compression speed. As to how many actually saw combat...?
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AFAIK they made a few 262's with more "sweep" to the wings, thus increasing the compression speed. As to how many actually saw combat...?
Never heard anything about that. They were hard pressed as it was, I am skeptical that they would tinker with the production of something they needed so desperately.
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AFAIK they made a few 262's with more "sweep" to the wings, thus increasing the compression speed. As to how many actually saw combat...?
I flew something like that once in Flightgear before, I'll try and dig it up.
EDIT: It was the Me-262 HG I, II, and III. From what I've just read, only the HG I was ever built, and the HG III had a projected top speed of Mach 0.96. Cite notes 31 and 32 of this Wikipedia article apparently talk about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262)
Also: http://up-ship.com/drawndoc/rd/rd.htm (http://up-ship.com/drawndoc/rd/rd.htm)
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Draggier, a new word, add it, Websters! :lol
Draggier, a co-efficient of draggage :confused:
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Draggier, a co-efficient of draggage :confused:
Well I'll be, Inflected form of Draggy, haha.
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Draggier, a co-efficient of draggage :confused:
Well I'll be, Inflected form of Draggy, haha.
:huh :O :uhoh :bolt:
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Why would it be faster? Germany only had one jet engine in service.
Both Jumos and BMWs were used.
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?
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:O
Oh Nooees!!1!
(http://maztulis.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/can-of-worms.jpg)
wrongway
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It's the exact same plane. 2x Mk108 cannons were removed (in many cases you still had the ejection ports present) and 2x pylons were attached under the nose for use with 2 bombs. In fighter mode it could also carry underwing R4M rockets.
There is no performance difference. No wing difference. No engine difference. Exact same plane, just different configurations. I'd personally like to see the R4M rockets in-game on the 262 we already have, but that's just me.
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There is no performance difference. No wing difference. No engine difference. Exact same plane, just different configurations. I'd personally like to see the R4M rockets in-game on the 262 we already have, but that's just me.
+1
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Well I'll be, Inflected form of Draggy, haha.
So when drag becomes too draggy and thus the plane is draggier, then the resultant draggage is draggonian to the plane's performance?
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There is no performance difference. No wing difference. No engine difference. Exact same plane, just different configurations. I'd personally like to see the R4M rockets in-game on the 262 we already have, but that's just me.
Talk about sick. 12X R4M's.....35 kills in a 262 sortie would show up regularly. Once you get the knack for aiming those things, it's a cinch to kill sets of buffs at 2K+.
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I imagine folks would only get a couple of kills with them, firing them off in spreads. More rockets used per kill.
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:O
Oh Nooees!!1!
(http://maztulis.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/can-of-worms.jpg)
wrongway
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff255/OOZ662/wut.jpg)
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I imagine folks would only get a couple of kills with them, firing them off in spreads. More rockets used per kill.
You're kidding right? Get the range down right, and two rockets gives you a set of buffs, every time. Aim for the lead buff, and launch in pairs, about 2K out. One set for every two rockets. 110's are fun as heck doing this.
Put 12 on a 262 and people would be massacring buff sets. Just with the rockets, I'd top out with 18 kills. I'd expect around 10 or so, each time, during peak hours.
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R4M rockets are not the same as the mortar rockets in AH now.
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German rockets
http://www.tarrif.net/wwii/guides/a2g_rockets.htm
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You're kidding right? Get the range down right, and two rockets gives you a set of buffs, every time. Aim for the lead buff, and launch in pairs, about 2K out. One set for every two rockets. 110's are fun as heck doing this.
Put 12 on a 262 and people would be massacring buff sets. Just with the rockets, I'd top out with 18 kills. I'd expect around 10 or so, each time, during peak hours.
R4M's were very small rockets with an explosive charge, with a trajectory similar to a MK108's 30mm round according to what I've read. It wasn't an airburst rocket like the WGr.21, however 1 or 2 hits from the weapon were enough to bring down a bomber.
They were generally used like a shotgun from 600-800 yards as Krusty suggested. Still extremely deadly weapons. And they didn't have the extremely heavy, draggy stovepipes that the WGr.21 requires.
I think the Me 262A-2 was capable of carrying a pair of WGr.21's, though...
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It's the exact same plane. 2x Mk108 cannons were removed (in many cases you still had the ejection ports present) and 2x pylons were attached under the nose for use with 2 bombs. In fighter mode it could also carry underwing R4M rockets.
There is no performance difference. No wing difference. No engine difference. Exact same plane, just different configurations. I'd personally like to see the R4M rockets in-game on the 262 we already have, but that's just me.
+1 on the R4M's.
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R4M's were very small rockets with an explosive charge, with a trajectory similar to a MK108's 30mm round according to what I've read. It wasn't an airburst rocket like the WGr.21, however 1 or 2 hits from the weapon were enough to bring down a bomber.
They were generally used like a shotgun from 600-800 yards as Krusty suggested. Still extremely deadly weapons. And they didn't have the extremely heavy, draggy stovepipes that the WGr.21 requires.
I think the Me 262A-2 was capable of carrying a pair of WGr.21's, though...
Motherland is absolutely correct. R4M's would be absolutely devastating. :uhoh No cool launcher like a Dog Sabre, but nonetheless very effective.
I'd love to see an X-4 option as well. They were never operational (officially), never even tested on 262's, and I seriously doubt a 262 pilot could hit a damned thing with one, but it sure would be fun to try! :D
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http://stormbirds.com/warbirds/index.html
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Motherland is absolutely correct. R4M's would be absolutely devastating. :uhoh No cool launcher like a Dog Sabre, but nonetheless very effective.
(http://stormbirds.com/warbirds/images_technical/r4m.jpg)
RM4 Air-to-air missile (http://stormbirds.com/warbirds/tech_r4m_rocket.htm)
I'd love to see an X-4 option as well. They were never operational (officially), never even tested on 262's, and I seriously doubt a 262 pilot could hit a damned thing with one, but it sure would be fun to try! :D
(http://www.luft46.com/missile/x4-10.jpg)
(http://www.luft46.com/missile/x4-11.jpg)
Approximately 1000-1300 airframes had been finished at Ruhrstahl's Brackwede factory by early 1945, and were awaiting their rocket motors, when the BMW facility at Stargard was bombed, destroying all the finished BMW 109-548 rocket engines. This missile was intended to be issued in numbers to the Luftwaffe by the early Spring of 1945, but the bombing of the BMW rocket engine factory, and the war's end prevented the combat use of the world's first guided air-to-air missile.
wrongway
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Thanks for the visual aids WW :aok
BTW, read about the liquid fuel delivery system on the X-4. Kinda different. :uhoh