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Help and Support Forums => Aces High Bug Reports => Topic started by: THRASH99 on May 17, 2010, 02:20:48 PM
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Is anyone shooting an M4 75/76 more than 1 time? :huh :furious I've been shooting at one about 10+ times and they aren't dieing like they should in 1 or 2 shots. In real life, the early shermans were thinly armored and caught fire easy. For some reason also, I'll get hit once through the front from 1000 out and die. I'll shoot them through the side and they don't die. Just tested it out in the offline, and it killed a tiger from 1200 hitting him in the hull in 2 shots. Something has to be wrong with the model, it shouldn't be doing that. :mad:
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Yep. I had the same issues.
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Oh? I hit a M4A4 76W at LEAST 6 times with a Tiger, and 2 of those times, they just bounced right off. The other 4 showed that tall tale sign of a solid hit, but he wouldn't die (I didn't even track or turret him). What makes it more interesting is, there was another guy firing on the same tank, and was landing hits to his side. He mentioned that he hit him about 8 times himself. I forgot what he was using but I think it was a Panzer. For sure my Tiger should've killed him. I was about 800 - 1k away from the M4A3 76W. The good side to it is, his shots were just bouncing off my Tiger. But me thinks that he shouldn't have survived the first hit, let alone the 6th OR the flank shots from a Panzer.
They will need to look into the M4A3 75 as well. There have been times where I would put a near direct flank hit to one, and it would just bounce off. Of course, I was using a A3 75 myself, so maybe it's the gun? Range on the last one I hit was about 1k-ish, give or take 100 yards. I havn't had the chance to do a flank shot on the A3 75 in anything but a A3 75. But it's possible that if the 76W is like this, the A3 75 could be like this as well. I have noticed that she can take a punishing before going down. Do enjoy that tank though. :rock I consider it one ell of a B-day present, since that's when they were "released". :x
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I skipped reading about half the thread, but I've had some serious issues fighting the M4A3(76)W. The armor surrounding the gun barrel seems nigh impenetrable. I went against one in a Tiger at 500 yards, me in a hull-down bunker, him hull-down under a ridge. Three shots in varying places on his mantlet bounced. He bounced four rounds, fifth killed my turret, seventh killed my tank. I dunno, but it seems to me the Sherman would lose the entire turret structure if hit point-blank with a Tiger's AP round.
I'll note that the main body of the tank seems to be fine; I can get plenty of kills aiming for the driver's feet or side shots, but the bulge of armor surrounding the gun barrel is amazing.
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Is anyone shooting an M4 75/76 more than 1 time? :huh :furious I've been shooting at one about 10+ times and they aren't dieing like they should in 1 or 2 shots. In real life, the early shermans were thinly armored and caught fire easy. For some reason also, I'll get hit once through the front from 1000 out and die. I'll shoot them through the side and they don't die. Just tested it out in the offline, and it killed a tiger from 1200 hitting him in the hull in 2 shots. Something has to be wrong with the model, it shouldn't be doing that. :mad:
I knew from the gitgo that the 75 sherm wood be 'up gunned' and by you expero with the Tiger proves that..that is if you are using the 75mm sherm against the tiger..the 76 'shood' be able to do damage to a Tiger, the same that the Panzer does to the tiger.
But the 75mm sherm had NOTHING to penatrate 100mm of armor plate of the tiger.. and at 1km...its best was ~80mm.
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I'll note that the main body of the tank seems to be fine; I can get plenty of kills aiming for the driver's feet or side shots, but the bulge of armor surrounding the gun barrel is amazing.
89mm turret frontal armor mate :aok thats all aok. the body isn't correct from my perspective. i've shot shermans from pnzrs and tigers and it took many hits to kill it
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89mm turret frontal armor mate :aok thats all aok. the body isn't correct from my perspective. i've shot shermans from pnzrs and tigers and it took many hits to kill it
You saw me correct myself in the other thread.
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Guys.. it's simple.. films or it didn't happen.
There may well be some kind of bugginess to the damage model of these, but without any kind of evidence, it's hard to prove anything to HTC
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Guys.. it's simple.. films or it didn't happen.
It did happen. And it was supposed to. :) A Tiger could only penetrate the M4A2 and M4A4 (close enough, I figure) mantlet armor at a range of 200m.
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These new Shermans are tougher on the hull armor than they should be...doesn't make much difference which side either...gotta hit the engine or right where the turret joins the hull. Doesn't make much difference what tank you shoot it with either. Not a very accurate damage model.
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I'm not having any trouble getting kills on it or in it!
It is just like any other tank in the game, you have to hit it in the right place tho, and that may not be the same place on some other tank!
just my opinion tho! :noid
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Well, at ~1000 yards getting 2 shots on one with a Panzer then getting single shot killed by that same tank with a frontal shot is not kosher...as long as you don't hit that Sherman near the main gun, it should be a kill in 1 shot.
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Well, at ~1000 yards getting 2 shots on one with a Panzer then getting single shot killed by that same tank with a frontal shot is not kosher...as long as you don't hit that Sherman near the main gun, it should be a kill in 1 shot.
are you talking about the 75 or the 76? also the front slope should be fairly tough the chin is still soft tho, as in the sides. I am not sure of the upgrade in armor when they went to the bigger gun but i would bet the 76 should be tougher! I have not used the 75 in a tank fight yet, but use the 76 almost all the time now.
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It did happen. And it was supposed to. :) A Tiger could only penetrate the M4A2 and M4A4 (close enough, I figure) mantlet armor at a range of 200m.
are u high? :O
the max amor of the sherm is ~90mm
an 88mm can do that at 1km!
that is if HTC is using historical stats!
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It's based on the table about 1/4 of the way down this page under the heading "Penetration Table 02: Sherman A2, Sherman A4."
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tiger1.htm
Keep in mind thickness is not the only factor in armor penetration.
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It's based on the table about 1/4 of the way down this page under the heading "Penetration Table 02: Sherman A2, Sherman A4."
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tiger1.htm
Keep in mind thickness is not the only factor in armor penetration.
that just proves, that from 1km..BOTH the amer sherms should not be able TO DENT a Tiger!
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...'kay.
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I would like to point out that I've been killed by T-34's by one shot in the new M4's, and they have the second weakest gun in the game.
And I've killed one in one shot from a 75mm sherman at 1200yds. There is nothing wrong with the new tanks.
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nemesis, pyro already said a few times that the M4s are being patched and the tiger is also being patched for the next version :aok
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lol, missed that :rofl. Either way, if I can take out an M4A3(76)w with one shot from a 75mm sherman to the front, then there is no way its the tank itself. That or I'm just insanely lucky.
BTW, I've had crappy luck lately. Ever damn time I up a tank, I run into Dr7, Rondar, or SHawk and his buddies.
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hey well once you join the ranks of the 88 shootin M4s 7 times with no effect then you can hollar :lol today i went up against an M4 76 with a pnzr and shot it 9 times to no avail (add 4 turret pings to the 9 hit sprites)
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Well depending on the range, thats not unheard of. I shot a T-34 with a panzer at 3200yds with little effect untill I got a lucky kill on the driver (I assume). And the M4 has the same frontal armor as a T-34.
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Well depending on the range, thats not unheard of. I shot a T-34 with a panzer at 3200yds with little effect untill I got a lucky kill on the driver (I assume). And the M4 has the same frontal armor as a T-34.
aka wait for patch. 3200 yards? thats kind of a long distance
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Yes, but I'm a decent shot at long range. Personaly, I think of 0-1000yds as close range, 1000-2100 as med range, and 2100+ as long range.
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3200 yards is almost 2 miles away nemesis...you cant even see an enemy tank that far out let alone hit it unless by sheer luck you can aim a shot that far :lol you probably wouldnt even see the shot land
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This new tank m4a3-76 is harder to kill than a firefly? Arent they the same chassis and thus prolly the same modeling?
I would figure this is so but, the thing is OFF.
I took out a firefly today and hit it in the front armor 6 times at 2800 and i walked the rounds from the turret meeting place down to the chin.
I found no weak spot with all 6 shots.
The shot that actually killed it was a turret shot, which was my 7th shot and luckily didn't bounce.
Thats just my 2-cents
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3200 yards is almost 2 miles away nemesis...you cant even see an enemy tank that far out let alone hit it unless by sheer luck you can aim a shot that far :lol you probably wouldnt even see the shot land
3200 yards is the bottom tick on the tank sight. If you can't see a tank at that range in Aces High, there's something wrong. I've seen one of my buddies sit in a Panzer and kill things at over 5k yards.
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3200 yards is the bottom tick on the tank sight. If you can't see a tank at that range in Aces High, there's something wrong. I've seen one of my buddies sit in a Panzer and kill things at over 5k yards.
my bad... :headscratch:
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The new patch should have fixed the shermans now
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3200 yards is almost 2 miles away nemesis...you cant even see an enemy tank that far out let alone hit it unless by sheer luck you can aim a shot that far :lol you probably wouldnt even see the shot land
You can see the shot land and you can see the tank. You almost HAVE to use rises to see the tanks, except on the beaches, but what you can see you can hit. I've killed a panzer with a tiger at 4000 yds, and it only took me 5 shots. The lucky thing is it took me fewer than 40, not that I made the kill. I don't claim to be the best gunner, but I'm one of the better ones.
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3200 yards is the bottom tick on the tank sight. If you can't see a tank at that range in Aces High, there's something wrong. I've seen one of my buddies sit in a Panzer and kill things at over 5k yards.
I have killshot myself on a friendly outside icon range... :D
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I have killshot myself on a friendly outside icon range... :D
If it weren't for the glitch of not seeing incoming rounds after a certain distance, I bet that guy would've been rather irritated. :lol
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I have killshot myself on a friendly outside icon range... :D
me two!!
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these new m4s both of them gotta be over modeled i am a gver 95% of the time and cant kill them with less than 3 shots i just went up against tyrant i was in the one with out rockets and he was also he took 2 to the front and 2 to the side and 2 to the rear side and the 7th one finally killed him and this was from 400 out not even long shots not to mention the 3 ricochets off the tank. and when he poped back up he was about 16 out and killed me one shot. every single time i have taken either of the new tanks out it takes several shots to kill anyone but mine dies in one shot. i know where to hit most of the tanks and no matter where i hit them they stay up engine shots side shots or frontal shots they keep on rolling but one frontal shot to me and im dead there just seems something a lil messed up with them and now the firefly is perked way high and they still die 1 shot no problem from the new tanks. i mean 25 perks to take out the firefly is crazy the new tanks will be fixed soon i hope cause as of now they got alot of bs to them in my opinion
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Look guys, I get one shot kills on these things at 2000yds 20% of the time, and it rarely takes more than 3 shots barring ricochets. If I can oneshot kill these new M4s with an M4A3(75) at 1500yds (which I have done), then they can't be that far off.
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the 75 die easy but i wasin a panzer and had to shoot a 76 more than five times (also a freind was shooting at same one and took FOREVER)
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Heh yeah 76 took 4 shots to the front full from a Tiger today at 400 yrds.
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Had a prob the other day even called the bugger a cheat <sorry bout that> well he was 30ft in front of me i shot him 2 time in front of his m4 w my perked sherman nuttin, shot him in the arse twice nuttin, shot him in the middle deflection, he had time to turn his turret 180 degrees n killed me w 1 shot. thats messed up. PERK the m4 unperk the tiger!
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It is an M4A3(76)W. The W stands for wet storage. It is less likely to explode when hit, thats a fact. IDK if I buy the 4 shots from a tiger at 400yds (unless getsome was driving). There ARE some guys that will find exploits or hack the servers. NOTHING is cheat proof. AH may have a low number of them (VERY low, I can't think of more than 3 people who get regular complaints off the top of my head), but for the ones we have, seeing their name in lights is FAR more important to them than earning their kills honestly.
I killed two M4A3(76)W's, a Tiger, and a firefly at V85 in one life (took about 4 hits, 2 at extreme long range) before being killed. That doesn't say I'm a cheater, that says that I'm good at what I do, and that I'm lucky the guys shooting at me hit my tracks.
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I killed two M4A3(76)W's, a Tiger, and a firefly at V85 in one life (took about 4 hits, 2 at extreme long range) before being killed. That doesn't say I'm a cheater, that says that I'm good at what I do, and that I'm lucky the guys shooting at me hit my tracks.
good...or lucky :D
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yea guys at first i was skeptic, but now im convinced...some wrong with a sherm that u can hit 3 times and get no damage and my panzer gets hit once and boom.
the nu sherm is like a big M8 :(
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M4a3(76)W is also known as the M4a3E8.
Some armor specs:
ARMOR PROTECTION
Armor Detail Front Side Rear Top/Bottom
Hull 50-108mm@34-90° 38mm@90° 38mm@68-80° 25mm@0°(front)
13mm@0°(rear)
Superstructure 63mm@43° 76mm@90° - 19mm@0-7°
Turret 63mm@45-50° 63mm@77-90° 63mm@90° 25mm@0°
Mantlet 89mm@90° - -
Just some thoughts...
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M4a3(76)W is also known as the M4a3E8.
Some armor specs:
ARMOR PROTECTION
Armor Detail Front Side Rear Top/Bottom
Hull 50-108mm@34-90° 38mm@90° 38mm@68-80° 25mm@0°(front)
13mm@0°(rear)
Superstructure 63mm@43° 76mm@90° - 19mm@0-7°
Turret 63mm@45-50° 63mm@77-90° 63mm@90° 25mm@0°
Mantlet 89mm@90° - -
Just some thoughts...
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i'm sorry but i have never seen any information saying that the 76W was the Easy 8 Sherman :headscratch:
could you cite sources please?
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i'm sorry but i have never seen any information saying that the 76W was the Easy 8 Sherman :headscratch:
could you cite sources please?
ditto, the suspension was totally diff than our sherms...
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M4A3E8 was a completely different tank. It was an official designation, and so cannot be an alias.
Kenne, please start using grammar and correct spelling. You're coming off sounding a little ignorant.
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Sorry Gents,
I should have checked closer. According Wikipedia (not the best source of info) there was an M4A3E4/M4A3(76)W and an M4A3E8/M4A3(76)W HVSS. I changed the text to red for the derivative I think we have. I'm sorry for yesterday's misinformation.
From Wikipedia:
US M4 Sub-Types
* M4- Continental radial engine; welded hull; 75-mm and 105-mm versions only. Users: US, Britain, Poland, France (one vehicle). Some very late M4s had composite cast/welded hulls (cast hull front identical to M4A1 (76) W.).
o M4(105) - Upgraded with 105 mm M4 howitzer.
o M4(105) HVSS - M4(105) w/ HVSS.
* M4A1 - Continental radial engine; one-piece cast hull; 75-mm and 76-mm versions built. Users: US, Britain, South Africa, France (small numbers), China
o M4A1E4/M4A1(76)W - Upgraded with 76 mm M1 gun.
o M4A1E8/M4A1(76)W HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 76 mm M1 gun.
o M4A1E9 - Unknown configuration, possibly an upgrade of existing M4A1s with 76 mm guns.
* M4A2 - Diesel-powered; welded hull; 75-mm and 76-mm guns. Users: USSR (M4C), USMC, France, Britain, Poland. No US Army combat use.
o M4A2E8/M4A2(76)W HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 76mm M1 gun.
* M4A3 - Ford GAA V-8 engine; welded hull; 75-mm, 76-mm, and 105-mm guns. Users: US, France (small numbers), Nicaragua (small numbers). The M4A3 was the preferred US Army vehicle.
o M4A3(75) - M4A3 w/ 75mm M3 gun.
o M4A3(105) - M4A3 w/ 105mm M4 howitzer.
o M4A3E2 Assault Tank - postwar nickname "Jumbo"/"Cobra King" - extra armour (including 4" on front), vertical sided turret, but about 3-4 mph slower. Built with 75 mm gun but frequently re-armed by the using units with 76-mm guns. Grousers fitted to the tracks. Users: US, France (one vehicle)
o M4A3E4/M4A3(76)W - M4A3 w/ 76mm M1 gun.
o M4A3E8/M4A3(76)W HVSS (Easy Eight) - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 76mm M1 gun. The new suspension allowed for more armor to be added.
o M4A3E9/M4A3(105) HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 105mm M4 howitzer.
* M4A4 - Chrysler A57 engine; welded, lengthened hull; 75-mm gun only as-built. Many re-armed with British 17-pounder guns ("Firefly"). Users: Britain, France, China, Lebanon (Firefly), Nicaragua (small numbers).
* M4A5 - No US vehicle was built with this designation; the number was meant to signify Canadian production.
* M4A6 - Diesel engine; composite cast/welded hull lengthened similarly to the M4A4; 75-mm gun only. Only a few dozen of this variant were built and none were used in combat.
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Kenne, please start using grammar and correct spelling. You're coming off sounding a little ignorant.
hey dude, target audience, matching the words to the target audience!
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Kenne, please start using grammar and correct spelling. You're coming off sounding a little ignorant.
wasnt bothering me. i sometimes write short hand if necessary too. just gotta deal with it. without being able to look at facial expressions or hearing voice tones you can't tell what they mean unless they freaking tell ya :lol
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Yes, but its a pet peeve of mine. Can't help it, and it wasn't an order.
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This has veered completely away from bug reports.