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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Krusty on May 18, 2010, 06:26:24 PM
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With the semi-recent supremacy of Sata HDD, I was noticing lately that there still aren't so many CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, or CD/DVD burners in Sata, as compared to how many are still in IDE.
Is this reliance on IDE much of an issue? Theoretically Sata is faster, but practically speaking when reading and writing with an optical drive is there any benefit to Sata (which costs more) as compared to the average IDE drives?
Just curious. I was pondering a PC that had no IDE at all.
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I think it may be a disc limitation, can only spin them so fast before they have a habit of shattering. That aside, SATA still routes a lot easier then IDE IMO and that is usually more then reason enough to throw down the extra 10 bucks.
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Optical devices are already a dead end product but much like floppy drives we will probably have them around for at least another five years. I believe more and more companies will be going to distribution streams like Steam. Its much easier to make profit when you dont have the added cost of distributing hard copies dont you think?
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All I lack to going IDE free is a new dvd burner. I hate that damn IDE cable, such a pita to work around. I've been thinking about that for the last few months. It can't help but improve airflow right?
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If you look real close at the specs you will find the SATA units have a larger cache than the IDE units. And the cost for a good SATA is less than a mediocre IDE...I have 1 of each in my system, both DVD/RW RAM drives...the SATA is faster/efficient burning at 16x...same files, same burning software, same blank discs.
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Optical devices are already a dead end product
I disagree entirely. It's going to be the premiere way of installing new content for a long time to come (optical being either CD, DVD, BlueRay, whatever comes after BlueRay). It's fast, cheap, reliable, and shock/drop resistant. Future-technology-wise, I'd agree something will replace it, but that something will probably also be an optical disc. Optical disc technology will probably be around for another 10-15 years in some form or another.
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You could be right... I hear there is a new patent coming for holographic storage at nano scales... seems like sci-fi to me.
Atomic Holographic Optical Data Storage NanoTechnology
http://colossalstorage.net/home.htm
And why I feel like I said before... its dead already:
http://themediaguru.blogspot.com/2008/02/hd-dvd-is-dead-whats-next.html
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And why I feel like I said before... its dead already:
http://themediaguru.blogspot.com/2008/02/hd-dvd-is-dead-whats-next.html
Geez...that's because Blu Ray was chosen over HD DVD by the movie industry as the new media for future movie releases. I know you didn't miss the headlines when it was announced.
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All I lack to going IDE free is a new dvd burner. I hate that damn IDE cable, such a pita to work around. I've been thinking about that for the last few months. It can't help but improve airflow right?
How about just buying a round IDE cable?
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How about just buying a round IDE cable?
Those round cables certified?
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I had a round cable for my old puter never had a problem. There's a thread from last year about ide cables was pretty good.
Semp
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You can patent anything, whether or not it's physically possible. Actually producing holographic storage? Get back to me when they hurdle the 20 years of research needed to make that feasible, let alone within household computing budgets.
P.S. They've been daydreaming about holographic storage for 15 years now. Biggest problem is it's volatile, only persists as long as the power is running.
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Geez...that's because Blu Ray was chosen over HD DVD by the movie industry as the new media for future movie releases. I know you didn't miss the headlines when it was announced.
:lol :aok
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Those round cables certified?
I switched out all the IDE cables in my old Dell to round ones. Works just like it always did but the wiring's a lot cleaner.
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I have one of each, SATA seems faster. Almost tempting to replace the old ide drive with a blue ray, almost.
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Optical media/drives is going to be around for a very long time. Steam (or any other like service) is not even on the radar as a reason for optical drives to be removed from a computer.
SATA is actually cheaper to implement than IDE. Also note, SATA drives do not have a digital output port for audio, which is a shame.
I stayed with the IDE drives and just got a SATA adapter for them. Best of both worlds and I get to keep my digital output port.
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I switched out all the IDE cables in my old Dell to round ones. Works just like it always did but the wiring's a lot cleaner.
I have never looked at round IDE cables, interesting idea, but too late for me really. Both my HDDs are SATA and I still have a number of free SATA connector spots on my mb, it's just a matter of grabbing a new burner at some point. I want a new one anyway, I want to get one with that lightscribe for labeling, even if just for the cool factor. How long have they had round IDE cables available. I didn't know anything about them until now.
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also, one would be surprised how long an older IDE CD Rom/DVD Rom burner/drive will last just by keeping it serviced/maintenance properly....
I have used a Memorex Optical Drive Cleaning kit on my Optical Drives as well as for cleaning my optical discs for at least the last 8 or 9 years.....
the Memorex kit was a bit costly over the cheaper cleaner kits, but it also performs better than one would expect.. ( has like 3 or 4 different cleaning ability's along with minor scratched disc repair, to help save/recover data off of damaged disc )
just a suggestion....... just cleaning out by blowing air is not enough for some peripherals
heya madda,
I am thinking those Round IDE cables have been around for at least 10 years....... I have 2 or 3 extras laying around, as well as 1 or 2 Floppy drive round cables
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also, one would be surprised how long an older IDE CD Rom/DVD Rom burner/drive will last just by keeping it serviced/maintenance properly....
I have used a Memorex Optical Drive Cleaning kit on my Optical Drives as well as for cleaning my optical discs for at least the last 8 or 9 years.....
the Memorex kit was a bit costly over the cheaper cleaner kits, but it also performs better than one would expect.. ( has like 3 or 4 different cleaning ability's along with minor scratched disc repair, to help save/recover data off of damaged disc )
just a suggestion....... just cleaning out by blowing air is not enough for some peripherals
heya madda,
I am thinking those Round IDE cables have been around for at least 10 years....... I have 2 or 3 extras laying around, as well as 1 or 2 Floppy drive round cables
Crazy man, I don't know how I missed them all this time then. I'm still going all SATA though, I just want a new DVD burner really. This'll make a perfect excuse.
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Those round cables certified?
Kermit, round cables are simply modified flat cables...the individual wire strands are separated then wrapped in in a tube, the ends stay the same flat IDE connector.
(http://images.highspeedbackbone.net/skuimages/large/C184-50007-main.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Mad-Dog-Multimedia-MD-24-ATA-3BU-40-Pin/dp/B001UUOCJE (http://www.amazon.com/Mad-Dog-Multimedia-MD-24-ATA-3BU-40-Pin/dp/B001UUOCJE)
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I thought the point of the cable being flat originally was to keep the ground wires between the data wires, thus reducing interference and errors. If the cable is round, are the ground wires no longer in the ideal spot shielding the data lines from each other, thus increasing errors and reducing throughput.
Perhaps the answer is that errors are increased in the round cable, the system detects and corrects the errors resulting in overall throughput decreased only slightly.
:headscratch:
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A proper "round" cable design makes use of twisted pairs which cancel out noise. A flat cable simply rolled to form a round cable is a diaster looking for a place to happen.
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Optical media/drives is going to be around for a very long time. Steam (or any other like service) is not even on the radar as a reason for optical drives to be removed from a computer.
Then why do I keep finding articles like this one:?
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/optical-storage-rip/648
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Then why do I keep finding articles like this one:?
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/optical-storage-rip/648
Because it's a blog. There are billions of those. There's bound to be a number with similar opinions.
You're not going to ever find USB jump drives in the box when you buy software. You're not going to buy DVDs or watch movies commercially from a USB drive.
optical read-only media ensure that the original source is not corrupted, that the data won't be lost with drops/shocks while being packaged, shipped, made by the millions. They also last years and years with repeated use because they don't wear down like electronic chips in USB drives can.
THose and so many other reasons are why optical read-only will not go away for a long long time.
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Chalenge, you can find anything you want on the Internet. It does not make any of it true. More often than not, it is crap. That blog you posted a link to more idiotic crap. Granted, when it comes to computers, many people are idiots. I think it more likely your cell phone will become the next mass storage device.
You will bring it home and plug it into a common external slot on your computer and then continue using it. Texting, watching low res entertainment playback. It will automatically update your Pastyfacebook page with your daily activities, including a complete GPS map of where you have been that day, how many times you went to the bathroom, what you bought, what you ate (so you can watch your diet) all the while texting away to some other plugged in entity whose face you have never seen before.
The brick and mortar stores that used to be retail clothing, restaurants, malls and so on will all close up as there will no longer be a need for them as your phone will take care of all that for you. The lack of physical interaction with people will cure AIDS, the common cold, anorexia, bulimia, and a host of other problems. No more worrying about your teenage daughter getting pregnant. Schools will simply have students plug their phones in and all homework will be assigned and done by the phone as it access the Internet to do all the work for them.
A whole new industry will open up to deal with people who no longer have access to their cell phones due to mechanical failures or loss. The psychosis will be declared to be the number one health problem in the world, closely followed by obesity. The inability to speak will be found due to a lack of vocal interaction. Eventually we will lose our vocal cords completely as there will be no need for them. Children will be born with calluses on the tips of their fingers. Larger fannys so sitting for longer periods of time will be more comfortable.
Before all the changes, there will be cottage industries opening up to artificially add calluses to fingertips, and add more padding to the bottom end. You will no longer have to worry about what you look like as you are just a Photoshop away from making yourself appear anyway you like to whoever happens to be channeled into your phone.
Crime will drop sharply until they figure out how to sabotage your cell phone from a remote location. This crime will be punishable by removing all cell phones and computers from the convicted and forcing them to watch reruns of Oprah on a 60" big screen television for 5 years.
Of course, law enforcement agencies will be able to find you in seconds and remove you from the Network, in the advent you interact in a manner they do not care for. Judges and juries will no longer be needed as your peers are the ones who turned you in to begin with, because you hurt their feelings. Sentencing will be carried out on the spot. There will be no appeals. Everyone will be happy.
Ok, now that it is in print, and on the Internet, it must be true. Is it authoritative? I have been a part of this industry since it began. I have been a guest speaker at Comdex. I have given engineering classes covering mass storage and how to improve performance interaction, with the operating systems, to hard drive manufacturers. I have been responsible for the implementation of various SCSI solutions as well as having a hand in furthering the standards. You decide.
30 years ago, the press said mechanical hard drives would be dead in less than 5 years. See how well that turned out? Remember backup tapes? It is still alive and well and still being developed. New tape formats are setting records for areal density (>40Gb/sq. in.). Those had been stated as being dead since the late 80's.
You really have to remember, magazines need business. In today's market, that means printing controversial articles. The mundane is passe' and does not sell. Cheesy exploitation and controversy is the ticket today, even if it is a lie. Why? Because no one is going to remember it 6 months from now. 6 months form now a new level of lie is required to keep people from looking back at the previous lie. Each generations attention span has gotten shorter and shorter and shorter. Today's generation has the attention span of a gnat. It can be exploited so easily.
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Well Im not saying I wont have DVDs. What I am saying is that I see distributors like EA wishing they could get rid of hard copies altogether in fact I think EA is going that route. Steam is just one example and the games that I have enjoyed the most (after AH of course and excepting FSX) have all come across the internet and not on CD/DVD. There is also a movement to do away with parts distribution which I hope NEVER happens because I cannot see myself ever buying into HP or DELL... I mean it just sounds disgusting. Yet I see the hobby of computer building slowly disappearing if trends continue the way they are.
I hope I am wrong about that too. :D
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OEM's are behind the attempts to kill the aftermarket parts. There are more people building computers today than ever before. It is pissing off the OEM's. They want that market killed. If Fortune 500 finally figures out they can build a better computer than they can buy from an OEM, the OEM's will be in deep dodo. Although, it is doubtful that will happen.
Steam is the reason I quit playing games. The fact that EA likes it is impetus enough, but there are many reasons I do not like Steam. I will not get into that as it is pointless.
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I got Bioshock 2 a few weeks ago. It came on optical media but requires a Windows Live account to fully install and play. What an abortion experience that was even to get to the point I could even play the game. I won't do that again. Good game but not worth the hassle viewed in hindsight.
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Well, that is DRM for you. It is funny. Four or five years ago, it was not unusual for me to blow $1500 to $2000 a year on games. Today, I spend $0 a year. It got to be so much trouble to install and play I finally had my fill of it.
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That's another topic. The gaming industry is killing itself. It was so afraid of bootlegging 5-10 years ago that it started so many bad things, and today we have such viruses as StarForce being secretly installed with game software that never mentions its use in the EULA.
I will say that I do use Steam. It's not entirely horrific, but it is annoying many times. It depends on the game I guess.