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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Airwolf on May 20, 2010, 12:28:24 PM
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I`ve pretty well figured out the essential`s for playing AH, but there is one thing that continues to elude me; and that`s getting my joystick to "settle down" (At least a little) while firing at an opposing player....I understand that there always will be gunsight shake, given the nature of combat flight, but what am I missing in the scaling settings to reduce this "shake" as much as possible?....What settings do you use?.....
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When I switched from the Logitec to the Saitek stick it was such a huge improvement in how exact the stick functioned I couldn't believe it.
Also, how old is your stick? Lots of mileage? As they age they get to a point where thy send spiking errant signals to the game and that does play with your accuracty too.
My scaling is default. It was the stick itself that was a problem.
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For some reading your request it will help them if you give the type of joystick currently being used on your PC. I'm using a CH Fighterstick USB and introduced a slight x and y dead band from the CH Manager in windows. Otherwise, nothing in AH itself. With X52's I had to introduce deadband in AH that was not always very satisfactory due to how loose the centering spring is.
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For some reading your request it will help them if you give the type of joystick currently being used on your PC.
bustr is correct! what type of stick do you use
also, I can not help you much for scaling a "joustick".... I do not teach or help people with "jousting" :D ( just joking about your spelling )
what or how do you have your scaling set up currently would be of help also..... ( if possible taking screenshot pics and posting them here for each axis would be of help possibly )
you can also do a search on the messageboards, regarding this problem........ search for "Joystick Scaling" and I am sure you will find numerous threads regarding proper & good ways of setting your scaling.....
hope this helps
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I owned a Logitic force 3d pro it was very poor, then bought X52 which was a vast improvement required a lot of scaling but was very nice.
My CH fighterstick arrived last week plugged it in using AH settings with no dead band,dampening or scaling.
The joystick works perfectly straight out of the box or it required was calibrating. :old:
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I use a Logitech Freedom 2.4 cordless joystick.....But I thought using the scaling feature is the way to smooth out the flying..I`ve tried a straight up (almost diagonal) line, to straight across (if this makes any sense).....I guess I`m wrong....Explain away....I`m not all that computer savvy......But I didn`t think it would be a joystick problem...
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1/4" for dampening and deadband, curve starting from bottom left upto top right :old:
If your flying when PM me I will look at my old settings.
best to set up while your flying.
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1/4" for dampening and deadband, curve starting from bottom left upto top right :old:
If your flying when PM me I will look at my old settings.
best to set up while your flying.
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While I`m flying..Sigh..Didn`t think I could....Thanks, I`ll try scaling while flying.....
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do a search for joystick set up in hardware search, I think there are some screen shots of people's various configs. :old:
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I have no dampening or dedband on my x52 I hate the jerking motion when u want to move just a bit.
Semp
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I have no dampening or dedband on my x52 I hate the jerking motion when u want to move just a bit.
Semp
then add some dampening to make it stop "jerking"
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Dampening makes the jerking motion lol.
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I've used a Sidewinder 3D Pro, a Saitek ST290 and a Saitek AV8R all with default scaling except I adjust the deadband and dampening to 0 until the stick starts to wear, then I inch them up to eliminate spiking.
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i use the Mtnman scaling on my X52, none. All my sliders are at the very top all the way across.
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side winder thread has screen shot of setup :old:
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I`ve pretty well figured out the essential`s for playing AH, but there is one thing that continues to elude me; and that`s getting my joystick to "settle down" (At least a little) while firing at an opposing player....I understand that there always will be gunsight shake, given the nature of combat flight, but what am I missing in the scaling settings to reduce this "shake" as much as possible?....What settings do you use?.....
what planes are you flying? just wondered because with some its hard to get the nose under control however you have your stick set up, eg. Spit XIV doesnt settle as well as VIII/IX, mossie and early jugs when slow have lots of nose swing (yaw instability) etc.
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what planes are you flying? just wondered because with some its hard to get the nose under control however you have your stick set up, eg. Spit XIV doesnt settle as well as VIII/IX, mossie and early jugs when slow have lots of nose swing (yaw instability) etc.
Well, being a refugee from FA, right now I`m flying all the planes to get a feeling for the plane sets....That might be the problem...It wasn`t much of a concern when flying in FA at the Level 10 ( cockpits only, torque on etc...)...Perhaps I`ll make a list on each plane that I fly and note the stability of each.... Thanks.....
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Well, being a refugee from FA, right now I`m flying all the planes to get a feeling for the plane sets....That might be the problem...It wasn`t much of a concern when flying in FA at the Level 10 ( cockpits only, torque on etc...)...Perhaps I`ll make a list on each plane that I fly and note the stability of each.... Thanks.....
If I may make a suggestion. Pick an AC and stick with it until comfortable with it then move on. Jumping AC to AC will hamper the transition to AH IMO.
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Here's a picture of Ghosth's stick setup....
(http://www.332nd.org/dogs/Ghosth/Pitchscale.jpg)
The sliders, going from left to right represent your stick movement, or your input.
The sliders from bottom to top represent the control input to the plane in the game.
So in this picture you can see that Ghosth has his setup so that the first quarter/third of his "yank" on the stick dose little in changing the control surfaces to his plane, but as he moves the stick farther thru his "yank" he gets more/quicker response of his planes controls.
So to get rid of "nose bounce" you want to have the first few sliders low and not change much between steps... depending on how heavy handed you are with your stick. When I came over from Air Warrior I flew mostly in the "relaxed" realism arenas so was use to really yanking on the stick. I have since learn to be very easy and smooth on the stick over the years. Most of my sliders are at the top. My rudders are the only ones I still scale and even those the "0" slider is 2/3 the way up slopping to the top from there.
Only you know how hard you yank on the stick, so only you can adjust it. Starting with someone else setup, like Ghosth's here can help when trying to understand what your trying to do.
Good luck, and welcome to AH !
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Anyone have a heavyhanded scaling for an x52...
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maybe increasing spring pressure might help, good article using spacer's on spring in hardware on search. :old:
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Falcon learn to under control not over control!
Imagine that the joystick is attached to an absolutely awesome hot nekkid babe.
But, if you jerk that thing, she's going to get scared, jump up and run away screaming rape.
The key is smooth, controlled, smooth input. Be strong enough to be gentle.
Just as much as you need, never more, never jerked. Always smooth and gentle.
Do that with the scaling posted above and you'll be on your way.
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yes :old:
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Falcon learn to under control not over control!
Imagine that the joystick is attached to an absolutely awesome hot nekkid babe.
But, if you jerk that thing, she's going to get scared, jump up and run away screaming rape.
The key is smooth, controlled, smooth input. Be strong enough to be gentle.
Just as much as you need, never more, never jerked. Always smooth and gentle.
Do that with the scaling posted above and you'll be on your way.
best way to put it Ghost :old: :bolt: :cheers:
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Somehow, somewhere, I learned a long time ago that if I put it that way, that guys seemed to "get" the message.
Been using it ever since, and it seems to help.
Fun sometimes to see the astonished looks I get.
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OK,I get it,I get it..I will try it with the scaling posted above instead of straight across the top..is that for x and y axis??
Falcon23 :salute
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Roll you can leave fairly aggressive, screen shot is one potential for pitch.
Rudder you can do either default stair step or a modified across the top.
Set the first 3 sliders to roughly 25%, 50%, and 75% rest at the top.
That will give you some finer control near the center. Make it easier to line up shots with rudder.