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Help and Support Forums => Aces High Bug Reports => Topic started by: GUNS06 on May 21, 2010, 02:17:09 PM
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I have looked through all the updates and I can't find ANYWHERE in them where GV's can now tower out ANYWHERE on ANY map and just get a ditch without giving up a kill. I have had snailman tower out at LEAST 15 times in a row on dirt away from the spawn point while a bomb was in the air and he never died ONCE, all he got was a ditch. I looked at his stats and he accumulated 39 ditches so far 15 or more was from today. I have not found any mention of this "change" in ANY of the updates. this makes it theoretically impossible to score ANY kills on GV's with aircraft of any kind. all you'd have to do is stop and tower out as soon as an aircraft got close enough to score a hit. whereas in the past had you dropped a bomb and someone towered out and you were 3K.....or the closest person to him, you got a proxy kill. prior to this the only time you could tower out and avoid a falling bomb was when you were on concrete on your base.
this "BUG" needs to be fixed ASAP.
perhaps people that don't want to be bombed (like in the real world) should have a "special" arena just for GV's, instead of towering out over and over just to grief someones game.
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I have looked through all the updates and I can't find ANYWHERE in them where GV's can now tower out ANYWHERE on ANY map and just get a ditch without giving up a kill. I have had snailman tower out at LEAST 15 times in a row on dirt away from the spawn point while a bomb was in the air and he never died ONCE, all he got was a ditch. I looked at his stats and he accumulated 39 ditches so far 15 or more was from today. I have not found any mention of this "change" in ANY of the updates.e.
Because there was no change. It's working still the same as it always had worked. And no you just can't tower "anywhere"
If the place you tower out is closer to your own base than the enemy one, it's a "ditch". If it's closer to the enemy base, it's "captured"
The spawn you are talking about is very close to the home base, not the enemy. If I had been closer to your own Vbase, I could not have ditched.
perhaps people that don't want to be bombed (like in the real world) should have a "special" arena just for GV's, instead of towering out over and over just to grief someones game.
This is an interesting point of view, as you and your Cowboys were simply circling over a GV battle between two Vbases, trying to rack up a lot of kills by bombing tanks being in a fight. Nothing wrong with that, but I could imagine a lot of players would call that "griefing" too ;)
BTW, after your CV was gone, the battle really was getting a good one. I was being killed a plenty of times by other tanks.
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A whine has been recorded :aok
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Snailman > Tripp
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A whine has been recorded :aok
And it's a BUG!!! :lol
(http://www.creaturesinmyhead.com/creatures/071602-likethat.gif)
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Poor Cowboys. :( Life was so much easier fighting auto-ack in empty arenas. Real players just don't follow the script.
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^ :rofl
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working like it always did, what a load of crap, it NEVER allowed you you to just tower out anywhere with a bomb in the air without giving up a proxy kill.
LMAO.....you should go back to console games where you and yer buddies can exchange all the best cheat codes.
snailman, you seem to "game the game" and try to make it sound legit, I have seen photo's and films of wreckage along roads in France where the German armored and supply columns where obliterated by attack aircraft......not ONCE did I ever hear a German veteran EVER say " we heard the whistle of the bombs, stopped and towered out to avoid being killed by patrolling Typhoons"
what are you going to do next?.....start pulling the cat5 from yer tower when you lose a wing....to avoid giving up an air to air kill?
it's not a cheat.....and it would be just "gaming the game"
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working like it always did, what a load of crap, it NEVER allowed you you to just tower out anywhere with a bomb in the air without giving up a proxy kill.
Next time try and actually READ my answer-
The game did not AND DOES NOT allow you to tower out anywhere. Like in airplanes, it depends on ownership to closest base. I was still on "home turf". Had I been closer to an enemy base, I would not had gotten a ditch. And it's a deliberate design descision, so if you want to see that changed, I'd suggest putting it up in the Wishlist forum.
I won't respond to the rest of you diatribe here, because I want to keep Bug Forum free from personal stuff, no matter how tempting it would be to answer...
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snailman, you seem to "game the game" and try to make it sound legit, I have seen photo's and films of wreckage along roads in France where the German armored and supply columns where obliterated by attack aircraft......not ONCE did I ever hear a German veteran EVER say " we heard the whistle of the bombs, stopped and towered out to avoid being killed by patrolling Typhoons"
Keep looking at and/or watching your media... only place where you will see those results. :rofl
It is a game... play it! :rolleyes:
X :salute
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I have seen photo's and films of wreckage along roads in France where the German armored and supply columns where obliterated by attack aircraft......not ONCE did I ever hear a German veteran EVER say " we heard the whistle of the bombs, stopped and towered out to avoid being killed by patrolling Typhoons"
So, WWII Germans would know what "tower out" means. Very cool...I never knew that. Did they know what 1337 uber means?
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Next time try and actually READ my answer-
The game did not AND DOES NOT allow you to tower out anywhere. Like in airplanes, it depends on ownership to closest base. I was still on "home turf". Had I been closer to an enemy base, I would not had gotten a ditch. And it's a deliberate design descision, so if you want to see that changed, I'd suggest putting it up in the Wishlist forum.
I won't respond to the rest of you diatribe here, because I want to keep Bug Forum free from personal stuff, no matter how tempting it would be to answer...
i towered out of an enemy town the other day, i had two kills, and landed successfully.
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i towered out of an enemy town the other day, i had two kills, and landed successfully.
Because no enemy was around. In that case you can indeed land everywhere.
The scenario described in the OP is a different one: Towering out with enemy overhead. In this case the ownership of closest base comes into play, just like explained in my earlier post. Tower out at home= ditch, tower out in enemy territory =captured.
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See Rule #4
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You are correct Larry.
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See Rule #4
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Conversely, and whether it's a bug or not I cannot say, if you actually shoot and hit a gv and he attempts to tower out, even on his own base, you will get the kill.
You actually have to hit something first to get your proxies in this case.
But, I could be mistaken. It's happened to me. Your results may vary.
wrongway
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Conversely, and whether it's a bug or not I cannot say, if you actually shoot and hit a gv and he attempts to tower out, even on his own base, you will get the kill.
You actually have to hit something first to get your proxies in this case.
But, I could be mistaken. It's happened to me. Your results may vary.
wrongway
Unless he is on pavement and completely stopped. If he isn't on pavement and you are within 3k of his position and he towers, you will 'shoot him down' and he will get a ditch. Also if he is moving whether on pavement or not regardless of your position, he will get a ditch (and you will shoot him down).
If he is on friendly pavement, completely stopped, and ends his sortie REGARDLESS of damage he will get a successful landing and you will NOT get credit for shooting him down.
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I will auger anywhere as soon as I hear the bombs falling if on my base I either get ditch or landing anywhere else is a proxie kill. Weird.
Semp
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Actually if you drive away from an enemy and get at least 5K away and come to a full stop, you can tower and get a "land successfully" message. Done it a few times when out of ammo and no way to get home.
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I've towered out 5K away from a base before as well and landed successfully, but it wasn't with a guy dive bombing and with a bomb in the air. I gave up proxy kills by driving back to the GV spawn and trying to tower out with a plane just circling the spawn....and done that MANY times. so if it works ONE way.....but not the other....WHY?
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I've towered out 5K away from a base before as well and landed successfully, but it wasn't with a guy dive bombing and with a bomb in the air. I gave up proxy kills by driving back to the GV spawn and trying to tower out with a plane just circling the spawn....and done that MANY times. so if it works ONE way.....but not the other....WHY?
Ok one final time:
It depends if you are in friendly or if you are in enemy terrtory
FRIENDLY TERRITORY= closest base is a friendly one
in that case you can always "ditch" if you are undamaged, even if enemy is circling overhead
ENEMY TERRITORY = closest base is an enemy base
in this case, you will give the enemy thats overhead a proxy kill and you get a "captured"
if no enemy is around at all, you will get "landed"
In the OP example, I was closer to my own than to an enemy base all the time = friendly territory
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ok...final time....BUG
you are inside BOTH dar circles you towered out with a bomb in the air at a SPAWN 15 TIMES and you got a DITCH when it should have been a prox kill
plain and simple....it's a BUG
just like when you hid IN the bridge and were able to get kills and no one could shoot you because you were UNDERGROUND
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ok...final time....BUG
you are inside BOTH dar circles you towered out with a bomb in the air at a SPAWN 15 TIMES and you got a DITCH when it should have been a prox kill
plain and simple....it's a BUG
Sigh
Dar circles are simply that: Radar circles.
You can have only one base that is the closest one. If two bases are very close, their dar circles will overlap... but that does not have an influence.
Only one base is the closest one. Now load that map and take a look at the GV spawns of that two bases: You will notice that they are still closer to the own base than to the enemy one. Hence. Friendly territory. Hence: Ditch.
It's the very same mechanism that decides if you get a ditch or "captured" in a plane: Ownership of the closest base decides if it's a ditch or a capture. Ever ditched next to a friendly TF while still inside enemy base dar circel? See - that's the same thing
And the difference between enemy & friendly territory is a game design descision. If you want GV'S to give out proxy kills on home turf -> wish list.
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2899/clipboard01fn.jpg)
That's where it happened. GV spawn V135. I was spawning from 135 S to battle enemy tanks. You were circling overhead to get some easy GV kills by bombing tanks battling below..
On the picture you can clearly see that the spawn area S V135 is still closer to V135 than to V136.
Same would apply to anyone spawning from V136 to the north: He would still be in friendly territory, because that spawn point is closer to V136 than to (enemy) base V 135
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Maybe if you create a pie chart he might understand.
ack-ack
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SIGH.....I'm very happy for you, you know EXACTLY what the bug is and how to use it to your advantage...it's a BUG you can keep explaining all you want...a BUG...is a BUG....is a BUG
if you try and land at ANY OTHER spawns with a plane dropping a BOMB on you, it's a proxy kill
there should be NO difference you found a loophole and you're trying to make it sound legit because you can screw an attack pilot out of a kill...that's all it is.
when you can tower out over FIFTEEN TIMES to avoid a bomb at a SPAWN that is OFF THE BASE YOU ARE SPAWNING FROM and never give up a proxy kill there is a BUG.
crap wrapped up in shiny paper is STILL crap.
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SIGH.....I'm very happy for you, you know EXACTLY what the bug is and how to use it to your advantage...it's a BUG you can keep explaining all you want...a BUG...is a BUG....is a BUG
if you try and land at ANY OTHER spawns with a plane dropping a BOMB on you, it's a proxy kill
there should be NO difference you found a loophole and you're trying to make it sound legit because you can screw an attack pilot out of a kill...that's all it is.
when you can tower out over FIFTEEN TIMES to avoid a bomb at a SPAWN that is OFF THE BASE YOU ARE SPAWNING FROM and never give up a proxy kill there is a BUG.
crap wrapped up in shiny paper is STILL crap.
It isn't a bug, I really don't know why it's so hard for you to understand this. If you exit your GV and you are in the sphere of your base it will count as a ditch (if you are undamaged) and not a capture or a death. However, if you were to exit out in the sphere of the enemy base, it will count as a capture/death. It really is that simple and shouldn't be hard to grasp for even the most intelligent starved individual.
The problem is that you don't have a very good knowledge of the game mechanics in AH and because you don't understand how things work, you're very quick to call "BUG!" or even imply people are cheating.
ack-ack
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Hint: game mechanics= gaming the game in this case.
Semp
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Hint: game mechanics= gaming the game in this case.
Semp
Not at all. The game mechanics has nothing to do with towering out to avoid being killed. The game mechanics is how the game works as designed and as designed those that exit out within the sphere of their base is scored as a ditch while those that exit out in the sphere of an enemy base scores it as a capture/death. Towering out to avoid being bombed is just gaming the game but we all do lame things once in awhile. In any case, the OP is totally incorrect it is not a bug.
ack-ack
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I dont agree at all ack-ack I mean trying to figure out which is more lame (towering or bomb****ing)... thats going to take more than a single piechart for sure! :aok
I really thought that unless you were on concrete it was impossible to tower unless all enemies were 6k away or further In fact if it isnt that way I think it should be... somebody make a wish! :D
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Since the new patch I have seen this on several occasions. As an example, I hit a Tiger 3 times on 3 different occasions and he towered and I never got the any of the kills. I am not whining,(I dont play for points so it doesnt matter to me), but i have seen alot of this going on.
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All i am going to add about this is : been playing over 4 years and i learned that there are days where things go you way and days when they don't. Stuff is not going to change so sit back, drink another beer, take a hit or whatever and have fun...isnt that the end result we all seek is FUN ? just my 4 cents.....
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Thats not right either. HTC does listen and they do change things if they think its good for everyone. I REALLY like the changes to prevent kill thieves. :D
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Chalenge, I will agree on the kill stealing part. If people wanna game the game or do whatever then thats on them. I have towered out on numerous occasions when my gv was messed up and i was up the creek. the dude(or dudette) is going to get their kill and so i tower out no point in sticking around nor do I really get torqued when someone towers out as i am about give them a 500lb headache.
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If he made the attempt at 15 drops on lusche... why didn't he try the hanger? I'm sure that the amount of bombs dropped would have closed the gv base. :lol
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Since the new patch I have seen this on several occasions.
The game mechanics regarding to to mission end (ditch? capture? landed?) for GV and planes haven't changed in any way for years (if at all)
On friendly base pavement:
Plane - always "landed". Damage status or enemy proximity do not matter
GV - always "landed". Damage status or enemy proximity do not matter
In friendly territory, not on concrete (territory is friendly when closest base is friendly, including CVs):
Plane - always "ditched". Damage status or enemy proximity do not matter
GV - If undamaged: "ditched". Enemy proximity doesn't matter.
GV - If damaged and no enemy is around: "landed"
GV - If damaged and enemy is around "crashed", if enemy is close enough he will get proxy kill.
In enemy territory (both on and off pavement) (territory is enemy when closest base is hostile, including CVs):
Plane - Always "captured". If undamaged and enemy is around, he will get proxy kill. If damaged, the enemy that had inflicted most damage and is still inflight will get the kill, regardless of distance.
GV - If no enemy is around: "landed", regardless of damage status.
GV - If enemy is around, regardless of damage status: "captured". If undamaged and enemy is around, he will get proxy kill. If damaged, the enemy that had inflicted most damage and is still inflight will get the kill, regardless of distance.
Radar circles are just representing the radar ranges of a base. They do not make any place "friendly" or "hostile". This is always and only depending on ownership of the closest base, including CVs!
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See Rule #4