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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: uptown on May 28, 2010, 12:02:17 PM
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The thing seems like a brick since the update. Anyone else notice that?
I don't know if it's because of the sounds or what, but it just don't seem right. Somethings off.
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Haven't noticed any changes to the P-51, they still run like they used to before the patch.
ack-ack
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The thing seems like a brick since the update. Anyone else notice that?
Then change your tactics and use it to ram. Er, wait, nevermind.
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Seems the same to me. Landed 4 kills in her last night.
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Maybe it's just my soundings and settings then. I completely unistalled the game after last patch and nothing seems right. Frames rates cut in half and 51 won't perform the way it did. Guess I have more work to do to get things up to par again. :(
Well, I just looked and I didn't have SLI enabled :rolleyes: Now if I can get my engine, wind and guns sounds squared away.....
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Seems the same to me. Landed 4 kills in her last night.
Way to let everyone know of your highest killstreak.
What you doin in an easy mode pony UpTown :)
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Way to let everyone know of your highest killstreak.
What you doin in an easy mode pony UpTown :)
I thought you said F4Us are easy mode? :lol Besides 51s are only easy mode if you don't turn :joystick:
Come to think of it Dunn, maybe it is on...ty sir
Yeah Dunn it was enabled :rolleyes:
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Just a thought, maybe you didn't disengage the stall limiter after you reinstalled?
:salute
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I'm getting the exact same results in a pony as I was before the latest update.
I'm shot down early....and often.
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I'm getting the exact same results in a pony as I was before the latest update.
I'm shot down early....and often.
That just means you're using it to fight instead of run! :cheers:
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Seems to be up to par; I'm killing more in it than I'm dying in it, which is good enough for me.
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Maybe it's just my soundings and settings then. I completely unistalled the game after last patch and nothing seems right. Frames rates cut in half and 51 won't perform the way it did. Guess I have more work to do to get things up to par again. :(
Well, I just looked and I didn't have SLI enabled :rolleyes: Now if I can get my engine, wind and guns sounds squared away.....
Did the same thing, and I noticed it too, untill I added a little bit of dampening to my stick settings. IDK why, but it took a lot of the problems away for me.
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Seems the same to me.
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yeah it's my settings
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Don't fly it much, but last night had it compress on me in a way I don't remember it being prone to before. I augered as I was busy trying to work out what the flump was going on. This was obviously in a dive, but with power all the way back.
Next flight out, deliberately tested in a dive and sure enough it compressed again, requiring lots of elevator trim to recover.
Maybe its always done that, but I don't recall it being a problem before. Felt more like a 109 TBH.
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Seemed okay for me. Little sluggish at times but I think it was just JS issues rather than the plane itself.
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Sorry not the same.
1. Compresses easier than before.
2. Takes engine damage much easier.
3. Head position is limited from side to side.
4. Bullets have more drop than before.
I wish we'd leave well enough alone when a camp is in progress.
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Would like a dedicated pony pilot to chime in here.
(i.e. someone like SkatSr who's main ride is the pony and has been for 5+ years)
HTC didn't say anything in any release about changing the FM of the pony and I doubt they would w/o telling us.
(don't recall 'em ever changing the FM in any way w/o a heads up)
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perhaps a bug? Seems the supply bug is popping up again, only its become more erratic. Tiger turrets not being repaired, M4 tracks/engines staying broken, just crap like that ever little while.
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Would like a dedicated pony pilot to chime in here.
(i.e. someone like SkatSr who's main ride is the pony and has been for 5+ years)
HTC didn't say anything in any release about changing the FM of the pony and I doubt they would w/o telling us.
(don't recall 'em ever changing the FM in any way w/o a heads up)
Skat gave the game up a while back. But after getting everything set like I had it before update, all seems the same. I haven't had any problems with compression,turns or bullet trajectory tonight. I just got out of a 5vs1 and made it home with 5 kills...so I'm happy with the way it's flying to say the least. :joystick:
Well I did have Perdweebs help :lol
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I haven't noticed anything wrong with the bullet drop. And since it uses the same U.S. .50's as all U.S. planes with the exception of the C-hog, everyone who flys US iron would be screaming his head off had this happened.
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Pony seems fine, they blow up when my taters hit em. And run away when they see me. All seems well. :D
perdweeb
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Nothing was changed with the Pony. It's your flying. Just an off week perhaps.
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I've been flying the pony for over a year now. It's changed.
Doesn't mean that you can't be relatively successful in it, but its not the plane it used to be.
Otherwise, believe what you want, most folks will anyway :)
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I don't know about the pony... but in my first flight for a week last night, I ripped off both wings in a Hurri IIC while evading a HO merge... first time ever in 5 years of play :confused:
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As to me, pony engine performance is changed 3 patches ago.
It is faster.
Also bulltes more powerfull.
On the contrary, I find f4ux more difficults to drive then before.
:salute
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Another possibility is that UpTown is using a wrong wax to wax his pony! :neener:
:salute
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Haven't noticed any changes to the P-51, they still run like they used to before the patch.
ack-ack
:D
delta not much fun to me anymore,
bravo = more of a challenge and more fun to fly
froger
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Don't fly it much, but last night had it compress on me in a way I don't remember it being prone to before. I augered as I was busy trying to work out what the flump was going on. This was obviously in a dive, but with power all the way back.
Next flight out, deliberately tested in a dive and sure enough it compressed again, requiring lots of elevator trim to recover.
Maybe its always done that, but I don't recall it being a problem before. Felt more like a 109 TBH.
1st prize in the profanity sidestep comp :rofl :salute
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Froger, the B pony isn't that much harder to use. 2 less guns, slightly worse view, and a bit slower on the deck. Thats about it.
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Froger, the B pony isn't that much harder to use. 2 less guns, slightly worse view, and a bit slower on the deck. Thats about it.
Turns better.
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Turns better.
Here is a dedicated Pony pilot.
Has anything changed Steve?
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I double down guarantee you if anything is changed STEVE will know. You want to die early and get back to base run across him in that 51 d or b makes no difference YOU ARE DEAD
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I had been flying the Pony since day one of coming into AH and I could out turn every plane except the zero and Hurricane. Then a patch came out to fix the F4u's so called problems and the pony was changed from that day forward. It could no longer turn like it used to, ammo usage was way to high for .50's resulting in less kills per mission, excelleration was slower and fuel usage was higher. For a plane that is considered the best fighter in WWII it sure isn't modeled like one of the best. In the beginnig I could turn the pony on a dime that isn't the case anymore and that plane was my main ride for near 3 1/2 years. Trust me it has changed in many ways. But if you don't fly it every day you will just say it seems right to me.
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Maybe they got new running (away) shoes.
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Sorry, but anyone that refers to the "running" capabilities of the aircraft could hardly be considered unbiased :).
Speed is a characteristic to be used like heavy armament or turning ability. Being outrun by a pony should be no more surprising than being outturned by a zero. What gets most folks wound up about the pony is that it moves out of gun range, making it hard to kill. However that was the point.
Nerfing a plane after this amount of time, is an admission of the political forces at work for nerfers are inevitably political creatures. They seek to do what they can't by skill, which is kill or reduce the capabilities of all planes but their planes.
The good thing is there is always another "pony" to shift to. That is until they all get nerfed, at which point its time to move on.
I think its far more educational to see what planes don't get nerfed. Points to the places where the politicians live. Take a look. These planes will have broad constituencies and middlin' high ENY out of character to their performance.
Draw your own conclusions. . .
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Turns better.
:aok
Froger
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Just so I am clear here...
It is being suggested that HTC changed the Flight Model of the P-51 in game and didn't say anything to anybody about it.
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Just so I am clear here...
It is being suggested that HTC changed the Flight Model of the P-51 in game and didn't say anything to anybody about it.
thats what there sayin here i guess,
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<------ Calling Shenanigans - as far as I know, they've never changed something on a plane and not said anything about it.
Wurzel
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Same here. It always turns out "little bro messed with my stick settings" or in uptowns case he didn't set his stick and graphics card right.
HTC doesn't do "politics" it's his way or the highway. In 10 years I've never seen him knuckle under to anyone.
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These days there are not to many fighters that the pony can truly flat out run by any means and its top speed is 435 MPH for the D model compare that speed to the other prop driven fighters of the time and you will see what I mean. The entire planes planing and construction was built for speed and maneuverability. After the joining of the Merlin engine to the 51 frame it was given even more speed. The 38, La7, 190D, spit 8 9,14,16, 109G14 and K4, TA152, F4U1A 1D U4, 47N M, can all catch the pony without to much trouble these days and its called a runstang give me a break. If one has to play with settings in any way in order to make a plane fly right something is a miss. If something is changed in game on one set of planes it may effect the out come of another set planes and if it is deemed it should be ok. Well its their call. Ever since the first patch for the F4u's the pony has never been what it used to be and it used to be an out an out monster of a plane.
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IDK why, but it seemed like I was blacking out sooner than usuall. But then again, I WAS flying at high speed (375-400 mph), and turning hard.
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You're forgetting one major piece of the information here Gaboon. Speeds are relative to altitude. True the 47N is faster then 51 at 25 or 30K but not on the deck. LA7 is faster then 51 on the deck but not at 20 or 25K.
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I double down guarantee you if anything is changed STEVE will know. You want to die early and get back to base run across him in that 51 d or b makes no difference YOU ARE DEAD
What are you trying to get a date or just an autograph? :rolleyes:
Gentlemen I'd say this one last time. The performance issues I was having were related to my stick, stall limiter, sound settings and video settings. Having corrected those things the 51 performs just as it did before the update! In my frustration and hast I posted this thread. Next time I'll read the read me file and double check everything on my end before posting.
If you are blacking out or compressing it's you're flying not the AcesHigh boogie man. Adjust your deadband and dampening and use your trim controls in a dive when you need to. :salute (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/Good_night.gif)
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True the 47N is faster then 51 at 25 or 30K but not on the deck.
Now would be a good time to check that help file there town.
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Now would be a good time to check that help file there town.
I bet you just couldn't wait to jump on that :rolleyes: You get the point Voss. Stop nit picking and go back to your 30K hole in the sky. I'm sure you've studied all the speed charts to insure your safety at various alts with great detail and interest. After all, you wouldn't want to actually be caught, for then the truth about your ACMs would be out.
Forgive me for being incorrect by a few mph at such alts. I'm usually down lower where the fights are. Next time I have a question about alt speeds over 25K I'll be sure to consult you first. :aok
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These days there are not to many fighters that the pony can truly flat out run by any means and its top speed is 435 MPH for the D model compare that speed to the other prop driven fighters of the time and you will see what I mean. The entire planes planing and construction was built for speed and maneuverability. After the joining of the Merlin engine to the 51 frame it was given even more speed. The 38, La7, 190D, spit 8 9,14,16, 109G14 and K4, TA152, F4U1A 1D U4, 47N M, can all catch the pony without to much trouble these days and its called a runstang give me a break. If one has to play with settings in any way in order to make a plane fly right something is a miss. If something is changed in game on one set of planes it may effect the out come of another set planes and if it is deemed it should be ok. Well its their call. Ever since the first patch for the F4u's the pony has never been what it used to be and it used to be an out an out monster of a plane.
To be blunt, you're just plain wrong. No 38, spit8,9,or 16, 109G14, F4u-1A or d, nor any jug (with alt exceptions on some models) has ever caught my 51, or any 51 for that matter, in a flat out race. The 51 outruns the La anywhere above 10k, and the 152 anywhere below about 12k too.Just yesterday, I was racing TopHat's JugM on the deck home RTB. Before long, he was eating my dust.
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The P-51 will have a speed advantage on most planes at some alt. The altitudes will be different for every plane it encounters though.
Up high, the P-47 is getting close to 500mph, I don't think there is anything but the 262 and 163 that can clearly beat the P-47 up high.
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I don't know but I bet the K4s, 152s, U4 and Spit14 would hold their own against the jugs up there. Most of the fights up that high will come down to who is the more savvy at a high alt fight.
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The K4 and spit14 will give it a good fight, but the jug is still faster, and with all that weight, it can just zoom climb up (its already doing close to 500 at 30k). IDK about the 152, I never fly it. It may give the jug a run for its money, but even then its not the clear winner.
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I bet you just couldn't wait to jump on that :rolleyes: You get the point Voss. Stop nit picking and go back to your 30K hole in the sky. I'm sure you've studied all the speed charts to insure your safety at various alts with great detail and interest. After all, you wouldn't want to actually be caught, for then the truth about your ACMs would be out.
Forgive me for being incorrect by a few mph at such alts. I'm usually down lower where the fights are. Next time I have a question about alt speeds over 25K I'll be sure to consult you first. :aok
No 'Voss' insults are making you look any more right there town because your still a HOing Niki dweeb at heart. What you know about ACMs wouldnt fill a notecard so dont even pretend to lecture anyone on what you dont have and never will. And NO your not usually down lower. Your an alt monkey just like every other pony noob in the game.
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Anytime you want to DA slick you let me know . :aok
There's not many folks I don't like around here, but you I can't stand. It would be my pleasure to humiliate you. :aok
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Anytime you want to DA slick you let me know . :aok
There's don't many folks I don't like around here, but you I can't stand. It would be my pleasure to humiliate you. :aok
Thats one of the most intelligent things you have ever said (sarcasm). I would quote one of your more tearful moments where you mourn the loss of your squaddies but you keep feeding us with wonderful moments of drunken insanity and flip-flopping emotions. I could not possibly conceive of a worst way to spend a single moment than wasting time validating you as even slightly credible when it comes to ACM. No one has to humiliate you because you take care of that yourself. I will kill you where it counts and where it hurts you the worst.
Check six there Nik dweeb.
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I bet you just couldn't wait to jump on that :rolleyes: You get the point Voss. Stop nit picking and go back to your 30K hole in the sky. I'm sure you've studied all the speed charts to insure your safety at various alts with great detail and interest. After all, you wouldn't want to actually be caught, for then the truth about your ACMs would be out.
Forgive me for being incorrect by a few mph at such alts. I'm usually down lower where the fights are. Next time I have a question about alt speeds over 25K I'll be sure to consult you first. :aok
A kill has been recorded.
ack-ack
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Thats one of the most intelligent things you have ever said (sarcasm). I would quote one of your more tearful moments where you mourn the loss of your squaddies but you keep feeding us with wonderful moments of drunken insanity and flip-flopping emotions. I could not possibly conceive of a worst way to spend a single moment than wasting time validating you as even slightly credible when it comes to ACM. No one has to humiliate you because you take care of that yourself. I will kill you where it counts and where it hurts you the worst.
Check six there Nik dweeb.
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/avatar_5766.gif) it seems Chalenge is afraid of a challenge. How's that for irony.
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What none of you know is the entire reason this fanboi has jumped on the 'anti-Chalenge' wagon is because he asked to come join us (the pups) in FSOs. He said that he always loved flying with us and had a great time with us when we were working together. What you dont know also is that Uptown joined and unjoined the pups at least three times (I have been told more but thats all I was aware of personally). Uptown is a wanderer and he will betray anyone to suit his needs (and apparently cartoon skills and cartoon 'respect' carries a lot of weight in his world). Thats how its done right town? Pull up to the bar and drink with the guy that has what you want and then dump the body in the alley?
What even Uptown doesnt know is that the pups had a vote (as we do on everything) and everyone but one person voted no to allowing him in on FSOs. The one person that voted for him was me. I even offered a second vote after a pleaful rebuttal but no one changed their vote.
I dont care what your emotions are 'slick' every day you prove yourself to be less and less likeable.
(Noting the animation): Thats one manuever you got down there town but you forgot the tool (more practice may help).
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Thats one of the most intelligent things you have ever said (sarcasm). I would quote one of your more tearful moments where you mourn the loss of your squaddies but you keep feeding us with wonderful moments of drunken insanity and flip-flopping emotions. I could not possibly conceive of a worst way to spend a single moment than wasting time validating you as even slightly credible when it comes to ACM. No one has to humiliate you because you take care of that yourself. I will kill you where it counts and where it hurts you the worst.
Check six there Nik dweeb.
Chalenge, friendly word of advice, before you start throwing out the ACM Card, make sure you have it in your hand first because someone might just call your bluff. :aok
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<golf clap> seems I hit a nerve huh? Let me retort. I "wander" because I enjoy flying where ever I want and will not be constrained by some squads country loyality. A couple of your squaddies have jumped over to fly with me. Bet ya didn't know that :lol As far as wanting to fly with the Pups in FSO..yeah I really did want to, but the powers to be in that squad have the attitude that if you leave them or go to another country and fly, you're a traitor. :lol Yet you have the balls to say I take things too serious?
You can't say anything that'll humiliate me, but that was a nice try.
I'm pretty sure I could fly with about any squad I wanted to in FSO. All I have to do is ask I reckon.
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Chalenge, friendly word of advice, before you start throwing out the ACM Card, make sure you have it in your hand first because someone might just call your bluff. :aok
A kill has been recorded.
ack-ack
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To be blunt, you're just plain wrong. No 38, spit8,9,or 16, 109G14, F4u-1A or d, nor any jug (with alt exceptions on some models) has ever caught my 51, or any 51 for that matter, in a flat out race. The 51 outruns the La anywhere above 10k, and the 152 anywhere below about 12k too.Just yesterday, I was racing TopHat's JugM on the deck home RTB. Before long, he was eating my dust.
FWIW: For the La7 it's about 12k. The P47M is as fast as the pony, both wepped, on the deck. If you walked away, he lost WEP or you had a bit of an E head start. The 1A is about as fast on the deck and the K4 is just as fast. The other planes mentioned aren't as fast.
As for the pony being different, I noticed a difference when the WWI arenas came out. HOWEVER, I always monitored my speed by wind noise and not the instruments so it's possible I have my wind noise set at a different level than I did before the update as I reinstalled the game at that time. I swear the plane seems to accelerate slower since the WWI update.
What are you trying to get a date or just an autograph?
Jealous?
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Jealous?
yes
If you're not busy could I get a autograph too? :uhoh
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This thread is about to get very INteresting. :)
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I BelIeve that thIs thread wIll
come to a swIft eNd sooN. :neener:
froger
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I suppose you could say I am a dedicated 51 pixel pilot, I tend to fly the B more than the D. I haven't noticed any difference in it. Still goes around 572 before compression, accelerates like a brick, and still my favorite to fly. Landed 8 one sortie, followed by 6 the next, so apparently the bullet drop isn't an issue. I think she's fine.
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Since all other things are subjective and everyone will argue every which way depending on perception, I leave that to individual perception.
I will say that absolutely, the limits of head movement/vision in the cockpit have changed. That is not perceptual but complete fact and verifiable if you checked the limits before. If you use set views, you aren't going to see it. Perhaps that is not in the limit of "flight model" and doesn't need to be announced. But it does absolutely change the overall capabilities of the combination of pilot/aircraft.
Kill counts don't mean anything. You can get 8+ kills in any plane with the right combination of events and a half decent skill set. Unless you average that over a large number of missions, you aren't going to get meaningful data. A single statistical anomaly doesn't prove anything.
If you look, you can see an effort to limit the Pony's effect on the game in progressive steps. It's ENY has been progressively dropped down until it sits at 5, the same as the 262 and the F4U-4, both of which are perk planes. This is a fact, not subjective. The main reason it isn't perked now, is it would be totally obvious, even to the most blind, if you perked the standard USAAF fighter of the last two years of the war. It's ENY is a tacit admission that the Pony affects the overall arena, like it or not.
The applause by pundits is the evidence of the "politics", admit it or not. Politics exists when you have more than 3 people involved. To say that no one, whoever they are, are not affected by politics is naive. If they go with the group, they are bending to the will of the group. If they go against the group, they are fighting with the politics. Fighting against or going with are both reactions to the political situation, in either case, they are affected by it.
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1) head positions are the same
2) the PonyD deserves an ENY of 5
3) the Damned started in 1988 IIRC and that would make THEM the longest operating MMO virtual squadron. (your sig)
You need to hook up w/ some of the Luftwhiners we got here 'cause they are convinced that HiTech has totally over modeled the USA birds and the German rides are under modeled.
(I could be wrong on point #3. going off memory and it's hazy at best)
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I can check the head limitations in 2.18 vs 2.19 if anybody likes. I kept a copy of 2.18 to do old vs new Mosquito testing.
As to the ENY, it has an ENY of 5 because it is the most common airplane in the game, well ahead of even the Spitfire Mk XVI which also has an ENY of 5.
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I can check the head limitations in 2.18 vs 2.19 if anybody likes. I kept a copy of 2.18 to do old vs new Mosquito testing.
As to the ENY, it has an ENY of 5 because it is the most common airplane in the game, well ahead of even the Spitfire Mk XVI which also has an ENY of 5.
How about you let some people place big time bets first?
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3) the Damned started in 1988 IIRC and that would make THEM the longest operating MMO virtual squadron. (your sig)
Lute you are wrong, and you are correct. Your mind is Hazy, and the Muskies been around since 1985.
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Lute you are wrong, and you are correct. Your mind is Hazy, and the Muskies been around since 1985.
Ahhh.. very good.
I was thinkin' the Muskies were the oldest but the 19yrs bit in the sig threw me off.
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Lute you are wrong, and you are correct. Your mind is Hazy, and the Muskies been around since 1985.
Uh wrong. I was there when they were created talking with Athos. They formed in 1991.
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Uh wrong. I was there when they were created talking with Athos. They formed in 1991.
Ah-HA!
So I am right again!
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Lute you are wrong, and you are correct. Your mind is Hazy, and the Muskies been around since 1985.
I was born in 1985 :noid
you guys are :old:
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Ah-HA!
So I am right again!
Ah Ha! Than I would be wrong again....
... could have sworn we just celebrated our 25th yr...
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I remember The Damned being a squad shortly before The Musketeers. I winged a lot with the old Damned in AW.
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Just to answer this for all those who enjoy splitting hairs at home . . .
Lost track of this thread, life and work intervened.
We are the oldest CONTINUOUSLY operating squad. My signature says operating simply because there isn't enough room to put the whole thing in. Other squads were started earlier but they went through phases where they weren't flying anywhere, shut down and started up again. The Musketeers have been continously flying since being founding Feb. 23rd, 1990. Sorry Fencer, your memory chips need updating :). I've been flying with the squad since late 1990 and it was going before I started.
Since 1990, there hasn't been a time when Musketeers haven't been flying in an MMO somewhere.
I hope that clears it up for you. Now I return you to the usual back biting and carping :)
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Just to answer this for all those who enjoy splitting hairs at home . . .
Lost track of this thread, life and work intervened.
We are the oldest CONTINUOUSLY operating squad. My signature says operating simply because there isn't enough room to put the whole thing in. Other squads were started earlier but they went through phases where they weren't flying anywhere, shut down and started up again. The Musketeers have been continously flying since being founding Feb. 23rd, 1990. Sorry Fencer, your memory chips need updating :). I've been flying with the squad since late 1990 and it was going before I started.
Since 1990, there hasn't been a time when Musketeers haven't been flying in an MMO somewhere.
I hope that clears it up for you. Now I return you to the usual back biting and carping :)
I hate to say it but I think the AK's and Pig Stompers been around longer, they were BEFORE AW back to Sierra network days and are still flying and I think the WingWalkers may also be in that group.
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Just to answer this for all those who enjoy splitting hairs at home . . .
Lost track of this thread, life and work intervened.
We are the oldest CONTINUOUSLY operating squad. My signature says operating simply because there isn't enough room to put the whole thing in. Other squads were started earlier but they went through phases where they weren't flying anywhere, shut down and started up again. The Musketeers have been continously flying since being founding Feb. 23rd, 1990. Sorry Fencer, your memory chips need updating :). I've been flying with the squad since late 1990 and it was going before I started.
Since 1990, there hasn't been a time when Musketeers haven't been flying in an MMO somewhere.
I hope that clears it up for you. Now I return you to the usual back biting and carping :)
I will have to find out when the Fubars were formed. I do believe I was part of the original Musketeers , Ill have to talk to fencer about it to refresh my memory. And I believe Fubars existed before I joined the Musketeers. And they have definitely existed every since.
HiTech
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hitech, do you guys ever use your official accounts for playing, or just when you need to give us what for :D?
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The Musketeers have been continously flying since being founding Feb. 23rd, 1990. Sorry Fencer, your memory chips need updating :). I've been flying with the squad since late 1990 and it was going before I started.
Since 1990, there hasn't been a time when Musketeers haven't been flying in an MMO somewhere.
I hope that clears it up for you. Now I return you to the usual back biting and carping :)
That's right. I saw the small review in Computer Gaming World for Airwarrior in December 1989, and started in January 1990. It was right after that when they formed.
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But if the Damned started BEFORE 1990, and have always had a continuous presence, wouldn't that mean...
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Well I just checked PS history and I guess I am wrong I was thinking we started in 86 or so, but looks like 92 is the date, and if those guys are correct The Sierra Network was coexisting Kesmai I just didn't know about Kesmai till later and thought that TSN predated them. :o
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My mem is a little fuzzy There was a sister squad formed to the Musketeers , I can not remember the name, it was that squad I was a member of not the Musketeers, the Musketeers existed before I joined AW.
HiTEch
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Gunfighters... Heater was with them at one point.
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Rgr fence, heater and I were wing man in that squad along with kite, and can't think of the 4th. Will have to grab the Dayton musketeers protocol to see who was the 4th in the wing.
HiTech
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HiTech, the sister/second squad of the Musketeers was Knightsbridge. Both you and I joined that and then that was brought into the Musketeers when all the BMan/Stiletto stuff was going on.
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Seems to be up to par; I'm killing more in it than I'm dying in it, which is good enough for me.
cant... stop... staring... at sig!