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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JunkyII on June 13, 2010, 03:07:26 AM
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I want to start by saying lets keep this clean, its a very touchy subject for some.
Next, I want to say I dont hate people who play for land grabbing or who fly bombers all the time. I know they are essential to having a very different assortment of combat in the MAs, sometimes your missions are what start combat in an area which lasts all day afterward.
What I got a problem with is again....The Path of Least Resistence. 15+ plane NOE missions, HOs, killing FHs when they dont need to be killed....
This Thread is about the last form of TPLR in this game, dropping FHs when it is not needed. I have 6 screenshots below which show times when FHs didnt need to go down or they ruined combat all together in the area. Remember, this game is about having a good time.......in combat.
My first example:
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/a709db5b5a565b05b0bf850993fd92ec5g.jpg)
Notice Im flying for the side that dropped the FHs, so country loyalty should not get brought up in this discussion. Next, notice the darbar and all those green dots heading to that base. Finally, look at what is still enabled.
FHs should never be the first thing dropped at a field,Why?, because then they just up a crap ton of flaks...and air combat almost dissappears afterwards. The green country had plenty of fighters inbound to deal with the darbar that was up, they had better sticks in this case ALOT better sticks and they had a good alt advantage on them which should have made this easy. Those bombs could have hit the vh then the town since there isnt a GV spawn into there the quickest way to kill it is with buffs.
Example 2:
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/4f58bb64862a8d35dc5d38d03d1aa9c05g.jpg)
Well atleast they killed the radar this time as well, still the VH is up. Big thing is this example is the dar vs dar aspect.........clearly an advantage.
Example 3:
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/0883bbf12e051a7f453461af71f6f7f25g.jpg)
Same place about an hour later. Everything is up other then the FHs.....We are pushing out and your going to kill the FHs? That isnt in any way tactical....the right move would be those ord bunkers before we start upping buffs towards your base..
Example 4:
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/812ad9bda805bec184671e09ed2c70925g.jpg)
This is the only fight the Knights have on their fronts at about 9am.....notice how far they have to fly for it. Your on the defensive and you already killed ords at the nearest base......either start handling fighters or go kill troops either way the Knights werent getting that v base with the sides so even like they were and an airbase that close.
Example 5:
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/624ce000a64dae9248076e374a0412625g.jpg)
ZOMG THE HORDE!!!! Bosco could even land a kill with these odds. FHs didnt have to fall.(BTW I switched sides to fight off this horde after they dropped the FHs)
Fianl example:
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/bde5010f0be311bd1cc953bd787721205g.jpg)
This was a furball where someone decided to come along and kill the FHs, all I can say here to this is please ask what is going on at the fight before you do this. IF every tells you to drop the FHs go ahead but if they say furballing.....please just hit town or pork the field.
In general, FHs NEVER NEED to be dropped if you want to take a base. I think the problem with this is the Buff guys dont think they have a way to help the win the war ground other then this. All I keep telling them is that the town is a better target, it NEEDs to go down. Something which I like about this gaming community is that it polices itself up, alot of people CMs, trainers, certain sticks, and skiners give up their free time to help make you have a good time. I use the 2 second rule.......I think for 2 seconds on whether or not my actions are going to negatively effect myself or others (Real Life stuff). In here take a quick second to look around the map and see if the FHs actually HAVE to go down, make sure everything else VH, ords, dar and town are down first....then you can hit FH because if it gets to that point and the enemy still has alot of planes up....they are just lazy.
Discuss.
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I'M tired now,
goin for a smoke.
froger
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I don't fly buff so I don't know their point of view. If buff decides not to drop FH, then would the fighters agree not to shoot em down? I haven't play AHII in like a year plus, so I don't know how the MA is like anymore xD
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I don't fly buff so I don't know their point of view. If buff decides not to drop FH, then would the fighters agree not to shoot em down? I haven't play AHII in like a year plus, so I don't know how the MA is like anymore xD
The MA is exactly like it was last year, the year before, and the year before that. Don't know about earlier because I wasn't here. Far as I can see the fight dynamics are the same and at least to me the game is still fun, but some are still going to complain.
At least that is my opinion, I'm sure someone will chime in how the game has changed in the last three years. :D
Fred
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I don't fly buff so I don't know their point of view. If buff decides not to drop FH, then would the fighters agree not to shoot em down? I haven't play AHII in like a year plus, so I don't know how the MA is like anymore xD
Your arguement does not apply here.
:salute
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The game has changed in the last three years. :D
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Its time for another toolshedding thread....
I want to start by saying lets keep this clean, its a very touchy subject for some.
Poor choice to start it in the first place. :rolleyes:
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I have found that.....99% of the time,on ALL sides,that UNDER any furball,is a group from their respective sides trying to take the base..
Sometimes ords need to go down,sometimes Fh and or everything needs to go down on a base..If it is a base that we want to capture,we want to keep as much up as possible..
And seeing from your post,no offense junky,you dont take bases too often do you..if you think that it is EASIER to take a base with the FH up than down,,they both have their good and bad points,but usually one has to either get some good fighter support,or take them down..there really are just too many variables when it comes to capturing ANY base for that matter.
This is why I think many have problems with numbers missions..The numbers are there so that the BASE does not have to be destroyed to take it..otherwise,the VH would have to go down,the base would have to be deacked,and capped.Then what,,,people hollering about getting vulched..
Just have to move around and find the FIGHT you want to fight,be it CV-GV-AC..It is always happening all the time
on any map... :salute
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I have found that.....99% of the time,on ALL sides,that UNDER any furball,is a group from their respective sides trying to take the base..
Sometimes ords need to go down,sometimes Fh and or everything needs to go down on a base..If it is a base that we want to capture,we want to keep as much up as possible..
agreed 100% except for the fact that there are very few times that people know how the fight is going and they don't care much :aok there was one time last week i was upping A20s and scoring kills by the second against CV aircraft. the enemy was just upping fighters, they had no CA, and everyone in our country was loving the furball because of how much we were owning them. (i killed about 8-10 seafires and F6Fs in an A20 and people were laughing about it :D ...until a person killed the CV (granted this person did not know that we wanted it up and apologized afterwards)
But still. this thread is kind of pointless due to the fact that you can't change a person unless they want to change. These people do these things to help the war effort like Falc said. If you have a problem with the effect of their actions then you just need to forget about it and go start another furball somewhere else :aok
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A pointless thread IMHO. So unless people play your way then every one Else's method of game play Is wrong thread? The best part of this game is the fact no one knows what the other person will do & there for game play is always changing & it is the games strength.
It might piss you off no end as to what some one else did or done or is about to do & so what just happened? Well you just experienced a range of human emotions that will go from high to lows & every place in between. This also is the strength of the game that you become emotionally involved & will always pull people in & back for those who quit & return at a later date.
You may not realise it but the BBS is an extension of those emotions & I just enjoyed this thread & will be looking for the next pointless one of yours so I can be humored again by it.
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I have found that.....99% of the time,on ALL sides,that UNDER any furball,is a group from their respective sides trying to take the base..
Sometimes ords need to go down,sometimes Fh and or everything needs to go down on a base..If it is a base that we want to capture,we want to keep as much up as possible..
And seeing from your post,no offense junky,you dont take bases too often do you..if you think that it is EASIER to take a base with the FH up than down,,they both have their good and bad points,but usually one has to either get some good fighter support,or take them down..there really are just too many variables when it comes to capturing ANY base for that matter.
This is why I think many have problems with numbers missions..The numbers are there so that the BASE does not have to be destroyed to take it..otherwise,the VH would have to go down,the base would have to be deacked,and capped.Then what,,,people hollering about getting vulched..
Just have to move around and find the FIGHT you want to fight,be it CV-GV-AC..It is always happening all the time
on any map... :salute
Im not saying its easier to take a base with the FH up at all, if I did say somewhere in there that it is Im sorry it was like 4 am when I wrote this lol.
I disagree with this "Just have to move around and find the FIGHT you want to fight,be it CV-GV-AC..It is always happening all the time on any map" Only reason because times like example 4 from above. That was the only fight on the map for the said country.
Numbers in mission is tricky, personally I think NOE missions are boring with any more then 8-10 people. Anymore then that and Its pretty much just one pass on town to get it down. Im all about a challenge, I like beating people back to their own base and vulching the turds. I will never hate on anyone who vulchs me, Ill just throw some smart remarks their way. I just want to say dont over due these base taking missions, save the 30 man horde missions for strat runs.
Poor choice to start it in the first place. :rolleyes:
Its what its called in the MA.....sorry it offended you
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A pointless thread IMHO. So unless people play your way then every one Else's method of game play Is wrong thread? The best part of this game is the fact no one knows what the other person will do & there for game play is always changing & it is the games strength.
It might piss you off no end as to what some one else did or done or is about to do & so what just happened? Well you just experienced a range of human emotions that will go from high to lows & every place in between. This also is the strength of the game that you become emotionally involved & will always pull people in & back for those who quit & return at a later date.
You may not realise it but the BBS is an extension of those emotions & I just enjoyed this thread & will be looking for the next pointless one of yours so I can be humored again by it.
People keep saying this exact thing....first Lyric if were going to talk "In game" material....I can fly circles around you when Im in a B24 and your in a zeak.
What Im asking for is for people to LET the other people play their way....They are the ones who are making people play around their way.
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People keep saying this exact thing....first Lyric if were going to talk "In game" material....I can fly circles around you when Im in a B24 and your in a zeak.
What Im asking for is for people to LET the other people play their way....They are the ones who are making people play around their way.
You better lobby in the wishlist for indestructable FH'S...
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People keep saying this exact thing....first Lyric if were going to talk "In game" material....I can fly circles around you when Im in a B24 and your in a zeak.
What Im asking for is for people to LET the other people play their way....They are the ones who are making people play around their way.
There you go emotion your getting the hang of it :aok. As far as your ability's compared to me WHO CARES I don't care If your skills are better or worse than mine. As far as the term THEIR WAY is concerned,I already answered it but I will say it again the guys who shut down the hangars did do it THEIR WAY. But lets be honest here it is really about your style of game play being affected that started this thread is it not?
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everyone in our country was loving the furball because of how much we were owning them. (i killed about 8-10 seafires and F6Fs in an A20 and people were laughing about it :D
....I can fly circles around you when Im in a B24 and your in a zeak.
Egos run absolutely amok.
As far as your ability's compared to me WHO CARES I don't care If your skills are better or worse than mine.
There are some people that care a lot about it, and never hesitate to remind everyone how much better they are.
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sounds like another no ones playing how i want thread
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Egos run absolutely amok.
There are some people that care a lot about it, and never hesitate to remind everyone how much better they are.
i seriously don't have an ego :lol i just post these things in for examples caldera :) but believe what you must because those A20 runs were easier than killing a noob GVer (hence me saying everyone was owning the enemy)
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but believe what you must because those A20 runs were easier than killing a noob GVer (hence me saying everyone was owning the enemy)
As Larry said in another thread A20 is easy mode. Against in coming CV aircraft if you can keep them lower & slower the A20 is an excellent base defender in that circumstance.
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As Larry said in another thread A20 is easy mode. Against in coming CV aircraft if you can keep them lower & slower the A20 is an excellent base defender in that circumstance.
always has been :aok
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A :cry thread. How original.
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Junky makes some logical points about the inefficiencies of breaking a walnut with a 50 lb hammer.. However, he fails, by making the assumption that the enemy plays the game using any logic at all. Truth of the matter is, most win the war guys are just flying somewhere to blow stuff up with their comrades. If they get there in bombers and the town is close to down, and there are big juicy hangars up...then they are going to take em out, with lack of better option. Anytime you destroy an enemy target you are helping your country out, right? Well, that's the general line of thought of most players anyways, and you can't blame them, it makes perfect sense from a win the war standpoint.
Let them completely flatten and horde bases. Nobody who takes part in those types of sorties is going to find much, if anything at all to shoot at. Just a bunch of clumsy, starving hyenas fighting over an emaciated wildebeest or two. And to that end, they will find no enjoyment from the game.
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As Larry said in another thread A20 is easy mode. Against in coming CV aircraft if you can keep them lower & slower the A20 is an excellent base defender in that circumstance.
Almost any aircraft in the game can shine in said circumstance.
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dam toolshedders!!
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Its all part of the game. I hate it when hangers are down, it sucks. But, that's what buffs do, fighters are there to kill buffs. The circle of life :) kill more buffs!!!
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The majority of the time it goes like this.
Player A....."Ive got bomb what do you guys need them dropped on?" Player x " Nothing i dont think were taking this base."
Player d "Please drop the VH and then hit those flaks".... Player A "VH is already down" ....Next thing you know the fighter hangers are the next to go.
Players just want to bomb stuff so they bomb stuff .... Were the action is .Its more in the tradition of the humand experience to go were the other guys are at and participate the best way you can....
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In general, FHs NEVER NEED to be dropped if you want to take a base. I think the problem with this is the Buff guys dont think they have a way to help the win the war ground other then this. All I keep telling them is that the town is a better target, it NEEDs to go down. Something which I like about this gaming community is that it polices itself up, alot of people CMs, trainers, certain sticks, and skiners give up their free time to help make you have a good time. I use the 2 second rule.......I think for 2 seconds on whether or not my actions are going to negatively effect myself or others (Real Life stuff). In here take a quick second to look around the map and see if the FHs actually HAVE to go down, make sure everything else VH, ords, dar and town are down first....then you can hit FH because if it gets to that point and the enemy still has alot of planes up....they are just lazy.
Discuss.
I'm really not sure but it sounds like Junky is making the point that by eliminating the FH when there are so many other targets available to hit also eliminates the air fight. You can still have an air fight and take the base. By keeping the FH up, most of the pilots will continue to have fun and the bombers got some high value targets eliminated and the GVers get to run amok. If you read more into than this, you are wasting brainpan energy or making it personal.
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by keeping the fh up,most of them will stay over town hunting goons and m3's...
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Poor choice to start it in the first place. :rolleyes:
But where is the drama in that? It's all about the drama....
ack-ack
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What Im asking for is for people to LET the other people play their way....They are the ones who are making people play around their way.
You're "asking" people to let you play your way while trying to deny letting people play their way. You're no better than the group of players you're whining about.
ack-ack
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Furballs last about 20 minutes before the people who got sent to the tower in fighters switch out for 15k buffs. The weird part is the furballers use terms like alt-monkies etc for the people who can intercept said buffs/jabos. It's a nasty cycle of dislike and complaining by furballers and adaptation to their own suckage by land grabbers. Love your high cap people! ;)
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by keeping the fh up,most of them will stay over town hunting goons and m3's...
Depends on how well the base is capped.
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A :cry thread. How original.
It is actually, pretty sure Im the loudest voice against dropping FHs......Who has 3 threads and got mass reported over this topic?
Im not whining at all.
Junky makes some logical points about the inefficiencies of breaking a walnut with a 50 lb hammer.. However, he fails, by making the assumption that the enemy plays the game using any logic at all. Truth of the matter is, most win the war guys are just flying somewhere to blow stuff up with their comrades. If they get there in bombers and the town is close to down, and there are big juicy hangars up...then they are going to take em out, with lack of better option. Anytime you destroy an enemy target you are helping your country out, right? Well, that's the general line of thought of most players anyways, and you can't blame them, it makes perfect sense from a win the war standpoint.
Let them completely flatten and horde bases. Nobody who takes part in those types of sorties is going to find much, if anything at all to shoot at. Just a bunch of clumsy, starving hyenas fighting over an emaciated wildebeest or two. And to that end, they will find no enjoyment from the game.
If you look at the screenshots Grizz, some of them arent even big hordes attacking the base. I assume its almost rookie buffers coming in at 15K+(Not the NOE buff type new lol) who get the impression from a certain group of buff pilots that the FHs are the only thing to hit....They are the key to the problem. Ive hear crap on vox all the time some guy furballing whos an armchair general wants everyone else to go kill the FHs.
You're "asking" people to let you play your way while trying to deny letting people play their way. You're no better than the group of players you're whining about.
ack-ack
This game is about combat.....dropping the FH stops a part of that combat(big part) Im trying to get people to stop doing it as much so combat continues.
Speaking of Drama....you changed your mind on this topic since DogFite ruined that furball awhile back... :noid
Furballs last about 20 minutes before the people who got sent to the tower in fighters switch out for 15k buffs. The weird part is the furballers use terms like alt-monkies etc for the people who can intercept said buffs/jabos. It's a nasty cycle of dislike and complaining by furballers and adaptation to their own suckage by land grabbers. Love your high cap people! ;)
Ive seen good furballs last hours, but thats not the point.
by keeping the fh up,most of them will stay over town hunting goons and m3's...
Like Change was saying, atleast try to get a cap first....Swift was kinda correct with what he said but the half that go to the tower and dont up a fighter again...dont up at all if you keep killing them.
The majority of the time it goes like this.
Player A....."Ive got bomb what do you guys need them dropped on?" Player x " Nothing i dont think were taking this base."
Player d "Please drop the VH and then hit those flaks".... Player A "VH is already down" ....Next thing you know the fighter hangers are the next to go.
Players just want to bomb stuff so they bomb stuff .... Were the action is .Its more in the tradition of the humand experience to go were the other guys are at and participate the best way you can....
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I already answered that earlier, yea if ack town vh ords and all that crap is down...why not its going to be taken soon anyway.
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I haven't see a furball last hours since I came back unless it was late-night in the states... which country are you flying that has these I want on hehe
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Speaking of Drama....you changed your mind on this topic since DogFite ruined that furball awhile back... :noid
I haven't changed my mind on anything, I recognize that people will play as they choose and these players are playing within the bounds created by HiTec in his game world. Maybe you should stop worrying how others play but I doubt you will since there's no drama in that.
ack-ack
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This game is about combat.....dropping the FH stops a part of that combat(big part) Im trying to get people to stop doing it as much so combat continues.
You're trying to get people to play your way, which is no better than the toolshedder that destroys the FHs to get the furballers to help Win the War(tm). You're not presenting a viable solution, you're part of the problem.
ack-ack
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:joystick: There is no greater joy than dropping all fighter hangers! It must be done!
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Pff I think solutions are pretty easy. I.E. back in AWs you have the Pacific maps, I forgot which one it was. There were 3 air bases from 3 countries in 1 square. All three were uncappable, you could de-ack but couldn't kill hangers. If I remember correctly, it was so long ago! It's like AHII TT, but those 3 bases would be uncappable with indistructable hangers. Most the time that was where the furballers were :D
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Pff I think solutions are pretty easy. I.E. back in AWs you have the Pacific maps, I forgot which one it was. There were 3 air bases from 3 countries in 1 square. All three were uncappable, you could de-ack but couldn't kill hangers. If I remember correctly, it was so long ago! It's like AHII TT, but those 3 bases would be uncappable with indistructable hangers. Most the time that was where the furballers were :D
The original AW had only 6 capturable bases around the center big lake, 3 neutral airfields and 3 neutral vehicle bases. Rest of the bases were destroyable but not capturable.
ack-ack
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I'm with JunkyII on this whole thing.
I'm a little tired of putting up a fight for 5 minutes, having some some jerks come over in lancasers, and have each of them drop 42x 1000lb bombs on a single FH (14x3=42). Just because your skills aren't up to actually fighting for a base doesn't mean you should go drop the FH's.
Another example:
Yesterday, we were getting hoarded, yet still putting up a hell of a fight. Some guy who I killed several times comes over and levels the FH's (I climbed up and killed his buffs). Just because YOU aren't good at the game doesn't mean you should wreck it for others.
Same with bomb****s and V bases:
They come over at 15k (like there is usually fighters at a Vbase), drop the VH's, THEN a hoard of tanks come by and camp the hanger. Only after all that crap is done do they bring an M3 in.
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The devil lives in all FH's and we need to do our duty :old:
Ex wives live in VH's so if you feel the need :old:
Yes i agree but i can see where the other guys point of view
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I'm sorry but if you're going to :cry over getting your hangers dropped then go kill the bombers. They called that air combat too ya know. Isn't that what the game's all about... air combat? Well? Go combat the bombers.
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I'm sorry but if you're going to :cry over getting your hangers dropped then go kill the bombers. They called that air combat too ya know. Isn't that what the game's all about... air combat? Well? Go combat the bombers.
Its actually quite easy to miss a set of bombers coming into the base, and actually quite easy for bombers to use the darbar from the fighters and hide at thee edge of a sector.
Also, since I started playing...there seems to be alot less tactical typing on the Range channel.
You're trying to get people to play your way, which is no better than the toolshedder that destroys the FHs to get the furballers to help Win the War(tm). You're not presenting a viable solution, you're part of the problem.
ack-ack
I already suggested possibly making it so you have to kill something else before you hit the FHs, like VH radar and ords.
Tell me this....Whats the difference between hitting Town buildings and hitting a hangar?
I haven't changed my mind on anything, I recognize that people will play as they choose and these players are playing within the bounds created by HiTec in his game world. Maybe you should stop worrying how others play but I doubt you will since there's no drama in that.
ack-ack
Come on ack ack lets not be a hypocrit........you've started more crap on 200 and the bbs then I ever will....
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The MA is exactly like it was last year, the year before, and the year before that. Don't know about earlier because I wasn't here. Far as I can see the fight dynamics are the same and at least to me the game is still fun, but some are still going to complain.
At least that is my opinion, I'm sure someone will chime in how the game has changed in the last three years. :D
Fred
actually that is not true. Mishuns use to always understand the priority order of vh/ack town FH if necessary. Was pretty much standard data. Its how i learned how to play flying bop, giap, ak, and fb raids back then. this whole kill FH and hope the enemy gets bored and leaves is a new development of these new mishun runnin squads. IE Jokers and CJ's.
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I already suggested possibly making it so you have to kill something else before you hit the FHs, like VH radar and ords.
Why should they have to? If HiTech didn't want hangers destroyed he wouldn't have made them a destroyable target. I have no problems with those squadrons that feel its necessary to wipe out everything on a base before trying to capture it. It sucks but it's part of the game so I live with it, the only time it becomes an issue is when people like Dogfite (the thread you referenced) intentionally go out of their way to grief because people aren't playing the way he wants to. Just like when you posted the thread proudly bragging about ruining someone's mission just so you can 'get a fight' and have people play your way.
The only thing that needs to be adjusted quite frankly is you.
Tell me this....Whats the difference between hitting Town buildings and hitting a hangar?
And what does that have to do with your whine about them taking down fighter hangers? Nothing.
ack-ack
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Why should they have to? If HiTech didn't want hangers destroyed he wouldn't have made them a destroyable target. I have no problems with those squadrons that feel its necessary to wipe out everything on a base before trying to capture it. It sucks but it's part of the game so I live with it, the only time it becomes an issue is when people like Dogfite (the thread you referenced) intentionally go out of their way to grief because people aren't playing the way he wants to. Just like when you posted the thread proudly bragging about ruining someone's mission just so you can 'get a fight' and have people play your way.
The only thing that needs to be adjusted quite frankly is you.
And what does that have to do with your whine about them taking down fighter hangers? Nothing.
ack-ack
The NOE missions(the one I alerted) and the dropping of FHs when they dont NEED to be dropped are all apart of the same thing....path of least resistence.....They are skipping combat....Id like to see that attitude change.
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Some years ago when a horde arrived at a base there was always a handfull of nutters in IL-2s and La-7s upping countless times and being vulched. It was tough at first but every vulcher they ho'ed down made the next run easier. If FH's were down, take a bomber. If everything was down, always at least 5-10 people would instantly up from the next base and fly noe over to play under the red mass. That's my memory of it anyhow.
These day's the gameplay is exactly the same as back then on the hangers point. The thing I think has changed it is the determination of defenders. Defending the base is your own responsibilty, not the enemy's. Imagine how ridiculous game play would be if we all had to make these crazy promises and immunity pledges to the enemy before the fight? Bottom line, defend the base if you want to keep the FHs up. If it's your team doing it and you don't like it, switch and defend against them if you must. Just my opinion.
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But where is the drama in that? It's all about the drama....
ack-ack
I get enough real-life drama from my three boys (5, 9, and 11 years old). We taught them to walk & talk way back when, and now we're telling them to sit down & shut up!
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The NOE missions(the one I alerted) and the dropping of FHs when they dont NEED to be dropped are all apart of the same thing....path of least resistence.....They are skipping combat....Id like to see that attitude change.
Whether or not you feel it's not needed is frankly irrelevant. You're no better than the person that intentionally drops the fighter hangers because others aren't playing they want them to.
ack-ack
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What I got a problem with is again....The Path of Least Resistence. 15+ plane NOE missions, HOs, killing FHs when they dont need to be killed....
This Thread is about the last form of TPLR in this game, dropping FHs when it is not needed. I have 6 screenshots below which show times when FHs didnt need to go down or they ruined combat all together in the area. Remember, this game is about having a good time.......in combat.
:cry They won't play the way I want the game to be played. :cry What a drama queen. It is a WWll scenario that is what was done
in WWll, get over it. I have never found it a problem to move on to another fight, another place, another time.
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Whether or not you feel it's not needed is frankly irrelevant. You're no better than the person that intentionally drops the fighter hangers because others aren't playing they want them to.
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the drama queen is back at it again. Just can't stand it huh? Offering advice when no one wants it. :aok
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the drama queen is back at it again. Just can't stand it huh? Offering advice when no one wants it. :aok
Still bitter?
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1. Fighter guys goto a base and start a fight, or a bomber guy heads to a base to bomb drawing up opposition.
2. Bomber guy hits town, see alot of friendly fighters and grabs a goon.
3. Goon arrives just as fighters start rtb and goon dies.
4. Other fighter guys see a big fight and head to the base where the action is.
5.Goon guy grabs another buff.
6.Fighter guys are vulching base.
7.Buff arrives seeing town still down but expects fighters to rtb soon.
8.Buff drops hangars to allow easier goon run.
9.Fighter guys call him fun police forgetting what happened to him earlier.
Lots of people playing, lots of different ways. Someone is bound to be left wanting from time to time.
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Now all we need is a HO thread and we'll have met our monthly quota for regurgitated topics.
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My POV:
Up a fighter 100% shoot down those who are targeting the hangars either they are buffs or fighters. Stay alive, use rearm pads. Repeat.
MA means to be adaptable towards others' gameplay.. or being able to dictate your own gameplay if you can. It's just another kind of "mission" the MA suggests.
Now I'll bite:
My "Main Arena's missions difficulty chart" ... flying solo or with 1 or a couple of wingmen:
Difficulty level
1. intercept 2 weeks noobs
2. stop Cowboys From Hell from milking
3. A2G with IL-2 / bomb GVs
4. Intercept smart bombers
5. bust NOE's
6. sneak troops
7. surviving a furball
8. pick Bruv119
9. Fight teh Hoard©
10. escort 2 weeks buffs noobs / survive 4 seconds of squeaking each time the squeaker presses that damn F12 button.
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Number 8 is the most important :old:
Number 11 fly bombers so you can have a Rum and Coke while flying. :old:
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Toolshedders can toolshed because people won't pork their ords. It's not really hard to figure out :rolleyes:
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:cry They won't play the way I want the game to be played. :cry What a drama queen. It is a WWll scenario that is what was done
in WWll, get over it. I have never found it a problem to move on to another fight, another place, another time.
Ya got that right RV! He's gotta start a thread or interject his wish for all to fly within his parameters of acceptable gameplay into a different thread all the time. Junky should move his wish for all to fly to his wishes in the "WISHLIST" forum, as that is the only place that his drama belongs! He claims to be an ARMY soldier but acts more like a "lifer-brat", who happens to live in the military environment and maybe junior ROTC. The way he acts in here... well, in any unit I was in during the early 70's, he would have been the proud recipient of a good old fashioned "Blanket Party". For you youngsters who don't know what a military "blanket party" is, it's a bar of soap inside a rolled up towel and used to inflict multiple hits on the offending love muffin (Think of the scene in Full Metal Jacket).
All the Best...
Jay
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actually that is not true. Mishuns use to always understand the priority order of vh/ack town FH if necessary. Was pretty much standard data. Its how i learned how to play flying bop, giap, ak, and fb raids back then. this whole kill FH and hope the enemy gets bored and leaves is a new development of these new mishun runnin squads. IE Jokers and CJ's.
+1....I believe Junky was saying that very thing. Preserve the fight in the air....leaving the FH up doesn't inhibit GVing or playing the game or taking a base although it does have great potential to get a base taking mission out of synch because 1 untimely fighter in the wrong place can screw everything up. I agree with everyone in here that it is a style of play issue and certainly that may make this thread seem whiney but any attempt to create an environment that facilitates some great fights should be the goal, be that GV fights, air fights or ship-to-shore fights.
Try to see the point instead of screaming about whiners. You may not agree with the point but certainly you can make yours without any argumentum ad hominem. That is the tool of the tiny man argument and of very poor lawyers.
V/r :salute
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1. Fighter guys goto a base and start a fight, or a bomber guy heads to a base to bomb drawing up opposition.
2. Bomber guy hits town, see alot of friendly fighters and grabs a goon.
3. Goon arrives just as fighters start rtb and goon dies.
4. Other fighter guys see a big fight and head to the base where the action is.
5.Goon guy grabs another buff.
6.Fighter guys are vulching base.
7.Buff arrives seeing town still down but expects fighters to rtb soon.
8.Buff drops hangars to allow easier goon run.
9.Fighter guys call him fun police forgetting what happened to him earlier.
Lots of people playing, lots of different ways. Someone is bound to be left wanting from time to time.
Yes, yes and yes....this is 100% reality. :aok
V/r
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hey hey now theres good perks to be made bombin hangars, i got all of 1 perk for 6 hangars and a kill.
to add to what filth said, also when the buff guy brings the goon bak and the FH are left up all it take is 1 sneaky LA-7 to sneak past the vulch horde an fly straight to the buff guy who is now in a goon.
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Its actually quite easy to miss a set of bombers coming into the base, and actually quite easy for bombers to use the darbar from the fighters and hide at thee edge of a sector.
Also, since I started playing...there seems to be alot less tactical typing on the Range channel.I already suggested possibly making it so you have to kill something else before you hit the FHs, like VH radar and ords.
Tell me this....Whats the difference between hitting Town buildings and hitting a hangar?
Come on ack ack lets not be a hypocrit........you've started more crap on 200 and the bbs then I ever will....
Started? NO. Involved in maybe. But at the rate you're going....
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1. Fighter guys goto a base and start a fight, or a bomber guy heads to a base to bomb drawing up opposition.
2. Bomber guy hits town, see alot of friendly fighters and grabs a goon.
3. Goon arrives just as fighters start rtb and goon dies.
4. Other fighter guys see a big fight and head to the base where the action is.
5.Goon guy grabs another buff.
6.Fighter guys are vulching base.
7.Buff arrives seeing town still down but expects fighters to rtb soon.
8.Buff drops hangars to allow easier goon run.
9.Fighter guys call him fun police forgetting what happened to him earlier.
Lots of people playing, lots of different ways. Someone is bound to be left wanting from time to time.
TRUTH
At one point, I think I figured out I had something like 600 deaths in a C47. May still go back and figure that out, one day..
Cannot tell you how many times I was within sight of the town when the vulchers left with 'bingo ammo..'
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Started? NO. Involved in maybe. But at the rate you're going....
Get off his ankle.....
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Well, I will say I think the game would be more interesting if you bomber fellas took out the FHs at the field behind the one that you're trying to capture. I also think you'd end up capturing more fields per hour.
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Well, I will say I think the game would be more interesting if you bomber fellas took out the FHs at the field behind the one that you're trying to capture. I also think you'd end up capturing more fields per hour.
I agree
Toolshedders can toolshed because people won't pork their ords. It's not really hard to figure out :rolleyes:
I pork quite a bit in an F8...
+1....I believe Junky was saying that very thing. Preserve the fight in the air....leaving the FH up doesn't inhibit GVing or playing the game or taking a base although it does have great potential to get a base taking mission out of synch because 1 untimely fighter in the wrong place can screw everything up. I agree with everyone in here that it is a style of play issue and certainly that may make this thread seem whiney but any attempt to create an environment that facilitates some great fights should be the goal, be that GV fights, air fights or ship-to-shore fights.
Try to see the point instead of screaming about whiners. You may not agree with the point but certainly you can make yours without any argumentum ad hominem. That is the tool of the tiny man argument and of very poor lawyers.
V/r :salute
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Ty Changeup, maybe Ack ack will get off my ankle about it now......but I doubt it
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I agree
I pork quite a bit in an F8...
Ty Changeup, maybe Ack ack will get off my ankle about it now......but I doubt it
You're not trying to encourage anything other than crying how you want others to play like you feel they should play. Like I mentioned, you're not better than the tools that go around and intentionally destroy the hangers to kill the fight because the others aren't playing how they want them to play. Basically, you're a tool just like they are. Sorry if you don't like the harsh reality of it but if it walks like a duck....
ack-ack
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You're not trying to encourage anything other than crying how you want others to play like you feel they should play. Like I mentioned, you're not better than the tools that go around and intentionally destroy the hangers to kill the fight because the others aren't playing how they want them to play. Basically, you're a tool just like they are. Sorry if you don't like the harsh reality of it but if it walks like a duck....
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You've said the same thing 3 times now....are you filibustering my thread?
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You've said the same thing 3 times now....are you filibustering my thread?
TROLL COMMENT (yes I know, I'm a troll)
A true filibuster, AkAK would start talking about completely irrelevant stuff like his accomplishments, etc... and blab on and on and on...
I can just see it...
Hello, my name is AkAK. I was born in a P38, no really I was. My mother-err my father gave birth to me out of his pee-hole, don't ask how, it happened. When I'm not flying my P38, I am polishing it, and when I'm not polishing it, I'm mentally lining up deflection shots at the airport. By the age of 3, my aim with 20mm and 4 50 call's was so good, I was shooting my cousin's bottles out of their mothers hands with my p38. Now, in my ripe old age, I just stick to AH, its a fair substitute ever since I angered trying to shoot down Voss CIA F16, an incident that caused me to loose my left leg, right arm and left eye, don't ask why, it just happened that way. Now did I ever tell you my name....
Hello, my name is AkAK. I was born in a P38, no really I was. My mother-err my father gave birth to me out of his pee-hole, don't ask how, it happened. When I'm not flying my P38, I am polishing it, and when I'm not polishing it, I'm mentally lining up deflection shots at the airport. By the age of 3, my aim with 20mm and 4 50 call's was so good, I was shooting my cousin's bottles out of their mothers hands with my p38. Now, in my ripe old age, I just stick to AH, its a fair substitute ever since I angered trying to shoot down Voss CIA F16, an incident that caused me to loose my left leg, right arm and left eye, don't ask why, it just happened that way. Now did I ever tell you my name....
etc...
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You're not trying to encourage anything other than crying how you want others to play like you feel they should play. Like I mentioned, you're not better than the tools that go around and intentionally destroy the hangers to kill the fight because the others aren't playing how they want them to play. Basically, you're a tool just like they are. Sorry if you don't like the harsh reality of it but if it walks like a duck....
ack-ack
Ack-Ack,
Honestly? Make an argument bro....why all the hate and personal attacks (argumentum ad hominem...I knew I would have to interpret the latin for someone). Make an argument. I believe this thread is about improving the fight, albeit specifically in the air, but a fight none-the-less. You've been shooting off about someone crying or whining and your lone argument is that "this is how it is because its a game and people have a right to play the game their way"...and in that, you are correct....now, why keep doing it that way? Is it better? Are there more fights? Is there more fun to be had?. This thread is about convincing them that the fight TO BE HAD DOING IT A NEW WAY is more fun THAN THE FIGHT TO BE HAD DOING IT THE CURRENT WAY.
I know, I know, change is difficult...but you sound much smarter when you make points. :salute
V/r
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Ack-Ack,
I believe this thread is about improving the fight,
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Improving it for the thread starter maybe & that is about all.
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Ack-Ack,
Honestly? Make an argument bro....why all the hate and personal attacks (argumentum ad hominem...I knew I would have to interpret the latin for someone). Make an argument. I believe this thread is about improving the fight, albeit specifically in the air, but a fight none-the-less. You've been shooting off about someone crying or whining and your lone argument is that "this is how it is because its a game and people have a right to play the game their way"...and in that, you are correct....now, why keep doing it that way? Is it better? Are there more fights? Is there more fun to be had?. This thread is about convincing them that the fight TO BE HAD DOING IT A NEW WAY is more fun THAN THE FIGHT TO BE HAD DOING IT THE CURRENT WAY.
I know, I know, change is difficult...but you sound much smarter when you make points. :salute
V/r
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No, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with improving anything, it just boils down to one person trying to force others to play how he thinks they should play and disguising it as "improving the gameplay".
ack-ack
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No, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with improving anything, it just boils down to one person trying to force others to play how he thinks they should play and disguising it as "improving the gameplay".
ack-ack
Improving it for the thread starter maybe & that is about all.
Wrong...Wrong...Changeup is quite correct, I have held debates on squad vox with people who like to bomb....I dont know if they still drop FHs but I know they will play the way they want, Why? Because thats what our squad is about.
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I caught AkAk toolsheeeding in a GV and snapped a pic.
(http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt86/splittiebus66/akak-1.jpg)
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I caught AkAk toolsheeeding in a GV and snapped a pic.
(http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt86/splittiebus66/akak-1.jpg)
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LOL!
ack-ack
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I caught AkAk toolsheeeding in a GV and snapped a pic.
(http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt86/splittiebus66/akak-1.jpg)
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:rofl
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I caught AkAk toolsheeeding in a GV and snapped a pic.
(http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt86/splittiebus66/akak-1.jpg)
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Oh crap! Billy found Paint Shop. :lol
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Wrong...Wrong...Changeup is quite correct, I have held debates on squad vox with people who like to bomb....I dont know if they still drop FHs but I know they will play the way they want, Why? Because thats what our squad is about.
So it has evolved into what a single squad wants now? OK I will bite. So if they fly to an enemy base & kill F/H's at a base you are furballing at is that OK with you? After all that is what your squad is all about.. Doing their own thing right?
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So it has evolved into what a single squad wants now? OK I will bite. So if they fly to an enemy base & kill F/H's at a base you are furballing at is that OK with you? After all that is what your squad is all about.. Doing there own thing right?
Pay attention, they are a debate team :D
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Bout as annoying as having a furball going on and the other country brings their cv into and jumps in the 5inchers!
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If it is an established furball I will discourage the Pigs from attacking it. However, if it has become a vulch on either side of the fight (especially ours :D), definitely fair game for hangar dropping and attack. It's no longer a furball when folks are getting vulched. If the red guys bomb our field, then I say bombs away on their field. I will always make an effort to take the Pigs attack to a field that does not ruin the furballers fun. It is all about that right? FUN?
:salute
Way
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Improving it for the thread starter maybe & that is about all.
Lyric, you have the same problem Ack-Ack has....you guys keep saying NO but make no argument to support your little kid no..no...no....no...no...no.. .no. Tell us WHY it doesn't improve the fight...if I agree, I will tell you I agree and snap Junky's theory myself, but so far, you both are giving 5th grade answers to an adult attempt at changing game-play some. Junky showed some evidence, provided some logic (even if you don't agree, there is logic in the argument...logic isn't necessarily agreeable), and others in this thread provided some depth to the argument. Stop being emotional and a fun vacuum and make an argument...as a fairly new player, I want to know why you two think its not a fun improvement.
V/r
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Lyric, you have the same problem Ack-Ack has....you guys keep saying NO but make no argument to support your little kid no..no...no....no...no...no.. .no. Tell us WHY it doesn't improve the fight..
V/r
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I have already told you, it's not my fault that you don't have the reading comprehension necessary to understand what has been written. The fact is, any idea that basically forces another group to play how the first group wants to play isn't a good idea. Every "improvement" suggested by you and the drama queen is anything but an improvement to the game play and everything to do with "PLAY MY WAY!!!!!".
Is that easier for you to understand or do I have to type if slower for you?
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Lyric, you have the same problem Ack-Ack has....you guys keep saying NO but make no argument to support your little kid no..no...no....no...no...no.. .no. Tell us WHY it doesn't improve the fight...if I agree, I will tell you I agree and snap Junky's theory myself, but so far, you both are giving 5th grade answers to an adult attempt at changing game-play some. Junky showed some evidence, provided some logic (even if you don't agree, there is logic in the argument...logic isn't necessarily agreeable), and others in this thread provided some depth to the argument. Stop being emotional and a fun vacuum and make an argument...as a fairly new player, I want to know why you two think its not a fun improvement.
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His evidence is based on personal needs & based off that & all those who agree with him it makes perfect sense. My issue is he wants to dictate style of play that others must use.
OK so lets say he gets what he wants for arguments sake then what? You will have a bunch of guys crying about how their style of game play has been affected because they like to kill F/H's with bombers.
So where will it end with a small minority always getting what they want? A bloody useless mess would be my guess.
Just my personal observation with my 5TH grade education.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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What Im asking for is for people to LET the other people play their way....They are the ones who are making people play around their way.
Sorry, but this whole thread reminded me of this! :noid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0
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Are we there yet? (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/smiley-eatdrink014.gif)
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Are we there yet? (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/smiley-eatdrink014.gif)
Let me summerize: "No, you make your point!". "No, you make your point!". "Ok, my point is your point sucks". "No, that's my point, your point sucks".
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Let me summerize: "No, you make your point!". "No, you make your point!". "Ok, my point is your point sucks". "No, that's my point, your point sucks".
yeah, but my daddy can beat up your daddy.
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Let me summerize: "No, you make your point!". "No, you make your point!". "Ok, my point is your point sucks". "No, that's my point, your point sucks".
Fixed
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yeah, but my daddy can beat up your daddy.
IN
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in
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yeah, but my daddy can beat up your daddy.
yeah, but I can snap your daddy's son like a dry twig ;)
Oh yeah...........In
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yeah, but I can snap your daddy's son like a dry twig ;)
But you are too busy with the neighboring campsites piknic basket, and you somehow got your head stuck INside of it.
(http://teacherweb.com/OK/CowetaCentralElementary/FirstGradeTeam/black_bear_picnic_time_hg_clr.gif)
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yeah, but my daddy can beat up your daddy.
Yeah,but my Sister can beat up your Daddy.
(http://blog.ronin5.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/tara.jpg)
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THAT'S A MAN BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY......... .............
Yeah,but my Sister can beat up your Daddy.
(http://blog.ronin5.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/tara.jpg)
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IN
The Most Interesting Man In The World's thoughts on "INing"....
(http://toddstevenson.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/mostinterestingman.jpg)
"No."
Stay thirsty my friends. :cheers:
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THAT'S A MAN BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY......... .............
Actually one of the top Female MMA fighters Tara Logan,I'm sure they checked under the hood.
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Just go shoot them! That's it, very simple.
Many times other countries can do this because the attacked country is hording at another base hoping for some easy kills. I would love to see a screenie of the whole arena.
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yeah, but my daddy can beat up your daddy.
(http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt86/splittiebus66/george-costanza.jpg)
WELL I HAD SEX WITH YOUR WIFE!
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In now I think based off the last post.
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Actually one of the top Female MMA fighters Tara Logan,I'm sure they checked under the hood.
Talk about performance anxiety, "rock my world or I'll rock yours".
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Thank you Changeup :cheers:
Since this thread is done should I challenge Ack Ack to a duel? Thats seems like normal protocal... :D
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Absurd....lets never change anything for fear of "where will it end??????"....these forums have become quite a kakistocracy. It will end when the suggestions stop yielding more fights and more fun. Hmmm...tough concept to follow.
For those who don't know.
http://www.answers.com/topic/kakistocracy
So we want a set up that fights never end & the furballs will last for ever a knock down head to head battle that will be the ultimate fight :aok If only a few things could change to make that happen :headscratch: It has been tried before you know a concept that was even far more reaching than the small change that Junky suggested & the two of you agree with.
In another post you mentioned I make no argument for my negativity & offer no ideas. Well I think I have played a tad longer than either of you to the best of my knowledge & was present when this part of the game came into being. In theory not a bad idea how ever It didn't quite work out.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,193413.0.html
Now if people were to go back through the forums & do some research :old: They would know not to ask for something that would end up like a famous Thomas Jefferson quote.
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For those who don't know.
http://www.answers.com/topic/kakistocracy
So we want a set up that fights never end & the furballs will last for ever a knock down head to head battle that will be the ultimate fight :aok If only a few things could change to make that happen :headscratch: It has been tried before you know a concept that was even far more reaching than the small change that Junky suggested & the two of you agree with.
In another post you mentioned I make no argument for my negativity & offer no ideas. Well I think I have played a tad longer than either of you to the best of my knowledge & was present when this part of the game came into being. In theory not a bad idea how ever It didn't quite work out.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,193413.0.html
Now if people were to go back through the forums & do some research :old: They would know not to ask for something that would end up like a famous Thomas Jefferson quote.
"I got screwed, they told me I'd be on the $1000 dollar bill!" - Thomas Jefferson
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Actually one of the top Female MMA fighters Tara Logan,I'm sure they checked under the hood.
I wonder what her and Cyborgs "T" levels are? :noid
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For those who don't know.
http://www.answers.com/topic/kakistocracy
So we want a set up that fights never end & the furballs will last for ever a knock down head to head battle that will be the ultimate fight :aok If only a few things could change to make that happen :headscratch: It has been tried before you know a concept that was even far more reaching than the small change that Junky suggested & the two of you agree with.
In another post you mentioned I make no argument for my negativity & offer no ideas. Well I think I have played a tad longer than either of you to the best of my knowledge & was present when this part of the game came into being. In theory not a bad idea how ever It didn't quite work out.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,193413.0.html
Now if people were to go back through the forums & do some research :old: They would know not to ask for something that would end up like a famous Thomas Jefferson quote.
All sarcasm and hate aside...sometimes history and time in the game causes folks to be a little myopic. One way to test the efficacy of Junky's theory is to get on range and talk during a fight...it happened last night and the fight lasted for quite a while (not a particularly good night for a test because it was TT). The bomber barons hit their targets the fighter folks fought their fights and the GV's blew the hell out of the red guys and all the while leaving the FH up. I see it as talking to the other players around you on a case-by-base situation and if they don't want to do it, move to another base or join in...if they do want to do it, hang on to your cartoon flight suit and fake leather cap because its a ton of fun.
Lyric...I don't doubt your time-in-game...what I doubt is some folks willingness to try different things because "its been tried before". That = FAIL, IMHO :salute
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Junky, now I'm done...kick their asses! LOL
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They got the FHs in TT last night. They just waited for Junky to leave I guess. Bustr and I were killing cons furballing in B25Hs and A20s. Bomber air combat :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
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Thank you Changeup :cheers:
Since this thread is done should I challenge Ack Ack to a duel? Thats seems like normal protocal... :D
It would be good form at this stage.
I guess I agree on the purpose of the game and also acknowledge that locally dropping an FH screws up the low-alt furball at the base but I'm not in agreement that this is necessarily bad for combat since I usually prefer to get some alt before combat anyway and would likely be flying in from a standoff base. Taking off from a capped base doesn't work too well.
Besides, the whole thing is a bit logically inconsistent - let combat reign until it gores my pet ox. I'm pretty sure many of the bomber pilots aren't all that good at choosing what they drop anyway.
Just enjoy the Hobbesian jungle, say I. Revel in the chaos. Become a rubble rat.
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The only thing that needs to be adjusted quite frankly is you.
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Junky et al...your problem is that you have no developed concept of defensive play...allow me to enlighten you: :old:
Last night the BoPs had our squad night :cheers:...rooks were not really opposing us so we took 5 rook bases fairly quickly. We were running another mission and I noticed on squad ch were Ronin and Thatguy (members of the Flying Squirrels). The reason they stood out was that I had killed both of them during the last base take. I queried why they were now bish and in my mission :noid and they responded..."because you guys seemed to be having fun" :banana:. Great Answer!!!! So we invited them to hang out with us for the rest of the night. :airplane:
The rooks began fighting back and counterattacking. :joystick: Nice! I spottted a large dar bar upping from a nearby rook field and called the squad to launch light fiters :airplane: and head in that direction. About 10 of us ran into 8 sets of rook buffs and escorts trying to shut down a81. We got most of them but unfortunately they eventually knocked down our fiter hangers :(. I was still up and saw a base north of us temporarily pop a darbar that disappeared. I headed over there and found 4 sets of noe buffs heading to our base. :t My boys promptly upped b25s and il2s headed north :airplane: and engaged the noe buffs allowing our fhs to recover. The few of us left in fiters cruised looking for goons. Finally fhs popped and we continued the night repelling attacks.
Tons of fun...it was alot of fun setting up attack passes on the buff formations. I hope Hitech doesnt change a thing. PREVENTING them from dropping fiter hangers was part of the complicated defense that we had to arrange. Keeping guys at different alts and with different capability planes required some PLANNING and thoughtfullness on our part. Nice Nice Nice!
I hope Hitech never feels the need to treat us like ADHD teenagers but continues to allow us to play this game like adults! :aok
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Junky et al...your problem is that you have no developed concept of defensive play...allow me to enlighten you: :old:
Tons of fun...it was alot of fun setting up attack passes on the buff formations. I hope Hitech doesnt change a thing. PREVENTING them from dropping fiter hangers was part of the complicated defense that we had to arrange. Keeping guys at different alts and with different capability planes required some PLANNING and thoughtfullness on our part. Nice Nice Nice!
I hope Hitech never feels the need to treat us like ADHD teenagers but continues to allow us to play this game like adults! :aok
With all due respect, no one is asking HiTech to change anything. I believe, and Junky feel free to correct me, this is about gathering some momentum for style-of-play changes of players who read this thread. I know I don't want anything changed in the game...this is just another way to look at the fight, perpetuate it and why the fight can go away so quickly. He's trying to convince folks to give another method a shot....anyone who sees it differently should ask him. It appears we have a ton of mind-readers here...any one of the mind-readers wanna go to Vegas with me? You'll be able to buy HTC when we get back...I promise.
Changeup
PS - I am fairly certain that Junky and I have a pretty well-developed sense of defensive play...although I don't see your example of enlightenment littered with defensive tactics that are particularly novel. Recruit some buds, hit some buffs, wait for the FH to pop and cruise for goons...no offense but I don't feel enlightened. You would have probably had more fun if they wouldn't have dropped your FH which I believe is the point of this thread! :rofl :rofl :rofl :salute
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I'll be in Vegas in a few weekends....... But all the booze I imbibe there negates my mental ability..... :confused:
...any one of the mind-readers wanna go to Vegas with me?
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I'll be in Vegas in a few weekends....... But all the booze I imbibe there negates my mental ability..... :confused:
Trust me, I will allow you to imbibe all you like AFTER we get done with the dealers at the blackjack tables. I just want you to tell me what their hole card is right after their eyes tell their tiny-little minds what it is. It won't take long...can you hold off on the cocktails until we hammer them out of ton of cash? Please?....
Kenny "Changeup" Rogers
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:cheers: I'll call you before I get there.
Trust me, I will allow you to imbibe all you like AFTER we get done with the dealers at the blackjack tables. I just want you to tell me what their hole card is right after their eyes tell their tiny-little minds what it is. It won't take long...can you hold off on the cocktails until we hammer them out of ton of cash? Please?....
Kenny "Changeup" Rogers
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With all due respect, no one is asking HiTech to change anything. I believe, and Junky feel free to correct me, this is about gathering some momentum for style-of-play changes of players who read this thread. I know I don't want anything changed in the game...this is just another way to look at the fight, perpetuate it and why the fight can go away so quickly. He's trying to convince folks to give another method a shot....anyone who sees it differently should ask him. It appears we have a ton of mind-readers here...any one of the mind-readers wanna go to Vegas with me? You'll be able to buy HTC when we get back...I promise.
Changeup
PS - I am fairly certain that Junky and I have a pretty well-developed sense of defensive play...although I don't see your example of enlightenment littered with defensive tactics that are particularly novel. Recruit some buds, hit some buffs, wait for the FH to pop and cruise for goons...no offense but I don't feel enlightened. You would have probably had more fun if they wouldn't have dropped your FH which I believe is the point of this thread! :rofl :rofl :rofl :salute
At this point I'm starting to wonder if changeup and junky are an official "couple". :huh
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You've said the same thing 3 times now....are you filibustering my thread?
:lol :lol :lol
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Just go shoot them! That's it, very simple.
No, it isn't. Yesterday, 2 sets of B-24's came over and killed FH's at our TT base of V85 (our ONLY airbase within reasonable distance of TT), even when they had complete air superiority. There were 4 of us when we all upped together, with a full enemy dar-bar in the sectors to the East and South-East.
They were at 12k, while we were on the deck, trying to keep out bases.
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Junky et al...your problem is that you have no developed concept of defensive play...allow me to enlighten you: :old:
Last night the BoPs had our squad night :cheers:...rooks were not really opposing us so we took 5 rook bases fairly quickly. We were running another mission and I noticed on squad ch were Ronin and Thatguy (members of the Flying Squirrels). The reason they stood out was that I had killed both of them during the last base take. I queried why they were now bish and in my mission :noid and they responded..."because you guys seemed to be having fun" :banana:. Great Answer!!!! So we invited them to hang out with us for the rest of the night. :airplane:
The rooks began fighting back and counterattacking. :joystick: Nice! I spottted a large dar bar upping from a nearby rook field and called the squad to launch light fiters :airplane: and head in that direction. About 10 of us ran into 8 sets of rook buffs and escorts trying to shut down a81. We got most of them but unfortunately they eventually knocked down our fiter hangers :(. I was still up and saw a base north of us temporarily pop a darbar that disappeared. I headed over there and found 4 sets of noe buffs heading to our base. :t My boys promptly upped b25s and il2s headed north :airplane: and engaged the noe buffs allowing our fhs to recover. The few of us left in fiters cruised looking for goons. Finally fhs popped and we continued the night repelling attacks.
Tons of fun...it was alot of fun setting up attack passes on the buff formations. I hope Hitech doesnt change a thing. PREVENTING them from dropping fiter hangers was part of the complicated defense that we had to arrange. Keeping guys at different alts and with different capability planes required some PLANNING and thoughtfullness on our part. Nice Nice Nice!
I hope Hitech never feels the need to treat us like ADHD teenagers but continues to allow us to play this game like adults! :aok
Sounds like a fun night to me :aok
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I wonder what a bomber pilot in AH is supposed to do? If they hit an active field they are griefers spoiling the fight. If they hit an inactive field they are dweebs attacking undefended bases.
I also wonder how a guy who will rat out his own countrymen's mission just to spoil their fun thinks he will be taken seriously when attempting to suggest a way to make the game more fun for him? It seems to me that those that were ratted on and those who disagreed with that act would be inclined to do the exact opposite of what the OP wants.
I don't disagree that the VH should always be the first thing dropped from a strategic perspective but many are playing for other reasons; fun, to help out their country, score and other reasons. Maybe they think they'll only get one pass at the field and those fighter hangers are lined up like ducks in a row.
For all the gripes in this game regarding play styles I don't think any thread on the BBs is going to substantially change the varied ways in which people play the game; good or bad. To use the "we're trying to change the culture" argument is just pissing in the wind. The only way the culture will change is with game design changes that reward people for acting differently and even that may not do it.
So, for oh so many reasons, this thread is pointless. It simply displays once again the conceited "me" attitude of the OP. Had that personality trait not been revealed earlier then there may have been a chance at a civil discussion regarding these wishes, some of which have merit.
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I wonder what a bomber pilot in AH is supposed to do? If they hit an active field they are griefers spoiling the fight. If they hit an inactive field they are dweebs attacking undefended bases.
I don't disagree that the VH should always be the first thing dropped from a strategic perspective but many are playing for other reasons; fun, to help out their country, score and other reasons. Maybe they think they'll only get one pass at the field and those fighter hangers are lined up like ducks in a row.
Perhaps the buffs could strategically bomb the towns, and leave the airfield targets to tacair? That way once the attackers tire of playing with the mice, they can just take the base.
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Perhaps the buffs could strategically bomb the towns, and leave the airfield targets to tacair? That way once the attackers tire of playing with the mice, they can just take the base.
Better yet, let the bombers bomb what they want and the base defenders defend their base from the bombers. HiTech has given us all the necessary tools we need to defend the bases from bombers. The problem is that some choose not to use these tools and instead whine on the forums.
ack-ack
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At this point I'm starting to wonder if changeup and junky are an official "couple". :huh
At this point its obvious Bear couldn't think of anything smarter so he went with the "ghey" comment....I guess the bottom of the comic barrel is pretty shallow Bear....epic FAIL
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At this point its obvious Bear couldn't think of anything smarter so he went with the "ghey" comment....I guess the bottom of the comic barrel is pretty shallow Bear....epic FAIL
Oh my bad, the way you were sticking up for him just gave me that impression. BTW, "epic" is pretty tarded. Just saying.
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Oh my bad, the way you were sticking up for him just gave me that impression. BTW, "epic" is pretty tarded. Just saying.
Easy throwing the tard word around :rolleyes:
With all due respect, no one is asking HiTech to change anything. I believe, and Junky feel free to correct me, this is about gathering some momentum for style-of-play changes of players who read this thread. I know I don't want anything changed in the game...this is just another way to look at the fight, perpetuate it and why the fight can go away so quickly. He's trying to convince folks to give another method a shot....anyone who sees it differently should ask him. It appears we have a ton of mind-readers here...any one of the mind-readers wanna go to Vegas with me? You'll be able to buy HTC when we get back...I promise.
Changeup
PS - I am fairly certain that Junky and I have a pretty well-developed sense of defensive play...although I don't see your example of enlightenment littered with defensive tactics that are particularly novel. Recruit some buds, hit some buffs, wait for the FH to pop and cruise for goons...no offense but I don't feel enlightened. You would have probably had more fun if they wouldn't have dropped your FH which I believe is the point of this thread! :rofl :rofl :rofl :salute
Im not good at conveying my words on here compared to most but that is exactly where I was going with this.
I wonder what a bomber pilot in AH is supposed to do? If they hit an active field they are griefers spoiling the fight. If they hit an inactive field they are dweebs attacking undefended bases.
I dont like when they hit bases NOE, Ill never talk crap about someone doing high alt bombing on a base in the middle of nowhere
I also wonder how a guy who will rat out his own countrymen's mission just to spoil their fun thinks he will be taken seriously when attempting to suggest a way to make the game more fun for him? It seems to me that those that were ratted on and those who disagreed with that act would be inclined to do the exact opposite of what the OP wants.
Countrymen? 95% of the time Im a knight, it was a rook mission. Who said I did it to spoil fun? I did it to create a better fight which seems to go along with the point of this thread....
I don't disagree that the VH should always be the first thing dropped from a strategic perspective but many are playing for other reasons; fun, to help out their country, score and other reasons. Maybe they think they'll only get one pass at the field and those fighter hangers are lined up like ducks in a row.
You will definately score better hitting buildings in a town....If they can only drop one more thing it all depends on thee situation ie gv spawn Id hit the vh so the forces defending the horde which must of upped doesnt have to split forces between ground and air.....
For all the gripes in this game regarding play styles I don't think any thread on the BBs is going to substantially change the varied ways in which people play the game; good or bad. To use the "we're trying to change the culture" argument is just pissing in the wind. The only way the culture will change is with game design changes that reward people for acting differently and even that may not do it.
Ill tell you a story, I used to pick and vulch alot....landed a good amount of kills and thought I was ubber or something. Then I had a little duel with someone everyone seems to hate....J0KER(at the time Joker2) and he kicked the crap out of me and made fun of me for being a little turd.....I decided I wanted to get better after that and started 1v1ing alot more....then some good sticks gave me some tips here or there and I got into the fighting aspect of it...I may not land any more kills these days but the excitement from the fights I have from dragging people out to 1v1 or taking on 3 enemy planes is better then Bnzing in a typh. It doesnt have to be something added into the game to make someone like playing different,
So, for oh so many reasons, this thread is pointless. It simply displays once again the conceited "me" attitude of the OP. ) that personality trait not been revealed earlier then there may have been a chance at a civil discussion regarding these wishes, some of which have merit.
"All the coolest players, have a bunch of haters" A rapper cant remember which one :uhoh said this. You dont like my attitude, I dont care....Thats one thing Ive picked up in the last 2 years of my life, even if you completely hate someone you still can work with them. So next time I post a FHs thread instead of coming here and waiting till page 8 to actually throw in an arguement or a discussion comment(threads already dead :rolleyes:) How about your first post not be completely retarded
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Oh my bad, the way you were sticking up for him just gave me that impression. BTW, "epic" is pretty tarded. Just saying.
Ahhh....that must be it. There weren't any other people helping each other make their points...it was just me helping Junky...yep...(read: crap, Changeup has a point...using the ghey couple analogy is pretty stupid especially when Lyric was backing Ack-Ack....darn I look foolish...I think I will throw in the pretty tarded remark....that should help). :noid
Changeup
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Get off his ankle.....
Ahhh....that must be it. There weren't any other people helping each other make their points...it was just me helping Junky...yep...(read: crap, Changeup has a point...using the ghey couple analogy is pretty stupid especially when Lyric was backing Ack-Ack....darn I look foolish...I think I will throw in the pretty tarded remark....that should help). :noid
Changeup
Changeup dont worry about the little ankle-humping bear.....let akak deal with him :devil
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Who said I did it to spoil fun? I did it to create a better fight which seems to go along with the point of this thread....
How about the fun for the people that created and took part? That's why you're no better than the toolshedders that go out of their way to grief because others aren't playing how they want them to play.
ack-ack
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Changeup dont worry about the little ankle-humping bear.....let akak deal with him :devil
lol...worried? Not even close....there are some things you can't fix...
Changeup
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That's why you're no better than the toolshedders that go out of their way to grief because others aren't playing how they want them to play.
ack-ack
Umm, does Ack have that sentence set up as a keyboard macro? Or is it Groundhog Day? :rofl
Changeup
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*yawn*
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How about the fun for the people that created and took part? That's why you're no better than the toolshedders that go out of their way to grief because others aren't playing how they want them to play.
ack-ack
Im pretty sure I didnt make them fly over a enemy carrier that was just off the port....trust me that mission was bound to fail before I did it.
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Ahhh....that must be it. There weren't any other people helping each other make their points...it was just me helping Junky...yep...(read: crap, Changeup has a point...using the ghey couple analogy is pretty stupid especially when Lyric was backing Ack-Ack....darn I look foolish...I think I will throw in the pretty tarded remark....that should help). :noid
Changeup
Don't bring me in to this one it's not my fight.
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Here is a pic of Gen. Curtis LeMays desk. He planned his toolshedding missions on this. :D
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/100_0742.jpg)
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Perhaps the buffs could strategically bomb the towns, and leave the airfield targets to tacair? That way once the attackers tire of playing with the mice, they can just take the base.
You will definately score better hitting buildings in a town...
The only problem with this idea is that if the field isn't ready to be taken the town starts to pop the moment it is, spoiling the capture attempt.
Countrymen? 95% of the time Im a knight, it was a rook mission. Who said I did it to spoil fun? I did it to create a better fight which seems to go along with the point of this thread...
Oh, so instead your a spy. Much better. :rolleyes:
Ill tell you a story, I used to pick and vulch alot....landed a good amount of kills and thought I was ubber or something. Then I had a little duel with someone everyone seems to hate....J0KER(at the time Joker2) and he kicked the crap out of me and made fun of me for being a little turd.....I decided I wanted to get better after that and started 1v1ing alot more....then some good sticks gave me some tips here or there and I got into the fighting aspect of it...I may not land any more kills these days but the excitement from the fights I have from dragging people out to 1v1 or taking on 3 enemy planes is better then Bnzing in a typh. It doesnt have to be something added into the game to make someone like playing different,
OK, so you saw the light, but it wasn't the result of a BBs post. It was humilliation at the hands of someone more skilled.
"All the coolest players, have a bunch of haters" A rapper cant remember which one said this. You dont like my attitude, I dont care....Thats one thing Ive picked up in the last 2 years of my life, even if you completely hate someone you still can work with them.
I don't hate you however I do see charachter issues and think that if you cared you could be a better person. And "the coolest players"? There's that self centered "me" thing again.
So next time I post a FHs thread instead of coming here and waiting till page 8 to actually throw in an arguement or a discussion comment(threads already dead ) How about your first post not be completely retarded
I don't spend my entire life on the BBs. I log on and skim. Some days my thoughts on a matter are different from a few days earlier.
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At this point its obvious Bear couldn't think of anything smarter so he went with the "ghey" comment....I guess the bottom of the comic barrel is pretty shallow Bear....epic FAIL
I guess Capt. Sophisticated here doesn't approve.
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Ahhh....that must be it. There weren't any other people helping each other make their points...it was just me helping Junky...yep...(read: crap, Changeup has a point...using the ghey couple analogy is pretty stupid especially when Lyric was backing Ack-Ack....darn I look foolish...I think I will throw in the pretty tarded remark....that should help). :noid
Changeup
Yes. you do look foolish, but you seem to enjoy it, so you have my full support.
P.S.- I think the word you are looking for is "Gay", not "Ghey".
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lol...worried? Not even close....there are some things you can't fix...
Changeup
Krup, my condolences. You have two to deal with :lol
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I guess Capt. Sophisticated here doesn't approve.
Capt. Epic
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Here's a picture of a round barn
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/xl.jpg)
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Here's a picture of a round barn
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/xl.jpg)
and here's a nice turtle
(http://www.faqs.org/photo-dict/photofiles/list/4843/6377European_marsh_turtle.jpg)
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Oh, so instead your a spy. Much better. :rolleyes:
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ZOMFG SPIEZ!!!!!
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ZOMFG SPIEZ!!!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
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And I get Rule 4'd for making fun of the guy who requested some updates that do "cool things" while these two call each other kindergarten names?
I really liked my bit about how AH could have a desktop assistant that looked like the Fonz. It'd pop up while you were flying and go, "aaaaaay". Then it could run a little shark jump on a vintage Triumph.
It might obscure your view of the enemy momentarily but, c'mon, it's the Fonz - what could be cooler than that?
Maybe we could get some updates that help you get in some hottie's drawers. That'd be really cool.
Here I was, content with tire noise adding a nice on-ground feel to the ac.
Meanwhile, these two get into obvious, successive taunts that are devoid of art and go completely uncensored by Skuzzy. That's something - taunts that are too unskilled and boring to even draw the admin's reproach.
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And I get Rule 4'd for making fun of the guy who requested some updates that do "cool things" while these two call each other kindergarten names?
I really liked my bit about how AH could have a desktop assistant that looked like the Fonz. It'd pop up while you were flying and go, "aaaaaay". Then it could run a little shark jump on a vintage Triumph.
It might obscure your view of the enemy momentarily but, c'mon, it's the Fonz - what could be cooler than that?
Maybe we could get some updates that help you get in some hottie's drawers. That'd be really cool.
Here I was, content with tire noise adding a nice on-ground feel to the ac.
Meanwhile, these two get into obvious, successive taunts that are devoid of art and go completely uncensored by Skuzzy. That's something - taunts that are too unskilled and boring to even draw the admin's reproach.
:cry
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PJ, I think they have you on the Auto#4 list........... :x
And I get Rule 4'd for making fun of the guy who requested some updates that do "cool things" while these two call each other kindergarten names?
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Yes. I'm probably an auto-nuke. That's what I get for testing the assumption that I can't be arrested in this town. I used to be a nice low profile.
As for Bear, don't cry for me, Bear, I'm bearing up bravely. I'm mainly sorry for the Fonz because, outside of Waterboy, he could really use some new exposure these days. Besides, you've got better things to do, like mopping up this argument in which, by my calculations (no reference to Bagrat's funny pic) you're on the verge of winning.
There's no time like the present -and I'd counsel you to do so in this thread - only I'd get another "inciting disrespectful posts" charge. I don't need that.
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Yes. I'm probably an auto-nuke. That's what I get for testing the assumption that I can't be arrested in this town. I used to be a nice low profile.
As for Bear, don't cry for me, Bear, I'm bearing up bravely. I'm mainly sorry for the Fonz because, outside of Waterboy, he could really use some new exposure these days. Besides, you've got better things to do, like mopping up this argument in which, by my calculations (no reference to Bagrat's funny pic) you're on the verge of winning.
There's no time like the present -and I'd counsel you to do so in this thread - only I'd get another "inciting disrespectful posts" charge. I don't need that.
You're taking the BBS far too seriously, as many do here.
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Yes. you do look foolish, but you seem to enjoy it, so you have my full support.
P.S.- I think the word you are looking for is "Gay", not "Ghey".
Bear...another embarrassing attempt at an intellectual reversal for you? I am beginning to feel sorry for you which is not in my nature actually. Your inability to generate anything other than I-will-write-what-he-wrote-about-me and make it about him routine is exposing your lack of creativity. Try not to hebetate in front of us...
With regard to ghey...well, you know the reasons for the spelling and apparently know what it means which is probably disturbing to your friends.
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I guess Capt. Sophisticated here doesn't approve.
Slash, be careful...Bear will think you two are a couple for supporting him...right Bear? Its Bear's GAY thing...did I spell that right Bear?
Changeup
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Capt. Epic
Sheer brilliance Bear....it must be tough being so witty bro! :rofl
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Bear...another embarrassing attempt at an intellectual reversal for you? I am beginning to feel sorry for you which is not in my nature actually. Your inability to generate anything other than I-will-write-what-he-wrote-about-me and make it about him routine is exposing your lack of creativity. Try not to hebetate in front of us...
With regard to ghey...well, you know the reasons for the spelling and apparently know what it means which is probably disturbing to your friends.
Lol, you make this so easy :D
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Sheer brilliance Bear....it must be tough being so witty bro! :rofl
Must be tough thinking you're witty :lol
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You're taking the BBS far too seriously, as many do here.
Now THAT'S an example of wit. I'm not sure it's intentional. This and the game is pure entertainment for me, Bear. I'm playing. Testing the rules was playing.
Your response should probably now be: "well, f*** you then, PJ."
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Now THAT'S an example of wit. I'm not sure it's intentional. This and the game is pure entertainment for me, Bear. I'm playing. Testing the rules was playing.
Your response should probably now be: "well, f*** you then, PJ."
Not at all, You get it.
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Must be tough thinking you're witty :lol
More creativity? I'm not shocked...cracker for Bear? lol
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Must be tough thinking you're witty :lol
Well looks like someones come loaded for bear today. :D
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All this anger, we need some love.......... Can we get a group hug please?
:bolt:
(http://psycheea.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/group-hug-gay.jpg)
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now that is some stink finger.
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Just by skimming the post you would think it was about Bear lol. Where is ghe rules about not posting if you can't contribute to the thread? Guess Bear is trying for the BBS Queen award. That is why these boards are useless because you have tards like Bear trying to be cute and cool for everyone. Makes me sick. This thread needs locked so the kids can go home.
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What shades are you on now? #7,8?
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because you have tards like Bear trying to be cute and cool for everyone. Makes me sick.
:rofl He'll go and go till he pucker's his little self out. ;) and good observation their Changeup. Slash and Bear tied the knot afew years back. :aok
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Slash and Bear tied the knot afew years back. :aok
I don't care who you are, that's funny. :lol
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BE,
I dont spend all day on here like you may think, just today I worked yet another 12+ hour workday.....its really nothing I get payed alot for it :rolleyes: .
Also, your arguement on Spies goes against what your saying....If I find spying to be fun why cant I do it?
And for the quote....just look at the most powerful people in the world...Presidents have the most haters :aok
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:rofl He'll go and go till he pucker's his little self out. ;) and good observation their Changeup. Slash and Bear tied the knot afew years back. :aok
hehehe...
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now that is some stink finger.
Ah poor cracker is still around, good to see you still keeping the flame burning.
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Well look
Hola Ivn, ya but his aggression doesn't tranlate too the game.
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Just by skimming the post you would think it was about Bear lol. Where is ghe rules about not posting if you can't contribute to the thread? Guess Bear is trying for the BBS Queen award. That is why these boards are useless because you have tards like Bear trying to be cute and cool for everyone. Makes me sick. This thread needs locked so the kids can go home.
This thread shouldn't been started as many have pointed out. Defending the OP is admirable as a squaddie, but doesn't lessen the fact it was pointless.
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See Rule #4