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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: doomed on June 21, 2010, 05:32:57 PM
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I am in a german squad and we would love to see some more german bombers. I know there not the most popular in the MA but we would sure like to see more like the HE 111 etc.
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He-111 :aok
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i agree, what is the biggest and badest german bomber
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(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e13/pronkyou/Hindenburg.gif)
Sorry, saw the shot, had to take it :D
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Yes please :cheers:
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i agree, what is the biggest and badest german bomber
Huh?
Heinkel 111:
(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/275/a/3/Heinkel_He_111_by_PhantomofTheRuhr.png)
Crew: 4
Wingspan: 74ft
Bombload: 4.5k to 5.5k lbs.
Range: ~1500 miles
Defensive armament:
1 x 20 mm MGFF in nose position (which had a very limited range of movement, more for strafing than defending)
1 x 7.9 or 13 mm MG in dorsal position
1 x 7.9 or 13 mm MG in ventral position
2 x 7.9 or 13 mm MG's in either side position
Heinkel 177:
(http://www.aviastar.org/gallery/234/234_1.gif)
Crew: 5
Range: ~3400
Wingspan: 103ft.
Range:
Bombload: ~13k to ~15K lbs.
Defensive armament:
1 × 7.92 mm MG 81 machine gun in nose position
1 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon in forward ventral position
2 × 7.92 mm MG 81 machine guns in rear ventral position
2 × 13 mm MG 131 machine guns in FDL 131Z remotely-operated forward dorsal turret, full 360º field of rotation
1 × 13 mm MG 131 machine gun in manned aft dorsal position
1 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon in tail position
And she's got the ugliest profile you ever saw :aok
Not sure how the remote gun would work. Perhaps like the 5" guns currently do, a shot of the gun and a red +?
The dorsal gun, note the glass dome from which the gunner would control the weapon:
(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2833/he177a5qx9.jpg)
Forawrd area of the bomber, where the controls of the remote guns are located (2):
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KezhQ6waZT0/SKPOQaalP1I/AAAAAAAAFlY/NQNlu_WUnY4/s320/gunnerytj.jpg)
Made my post nice 'n' picture rich for those of you with short attention spans. :)
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I'll agree to this one. They may not have the ideal defensive platform as most allied bombers do, but I would enjoy taking some long range German bomber out for a spin aside from the Ju-88. I've always wanted to partake in rolling a massive Axis-themed bomber mission.
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I'll agree to this one. They may not have the ideal defensive platform as most allied bombers do, but I would enjoy taking some long range German bomber out for a spin aside from the Ju-88. I've always wanted to partake in rolling a massive Axis-themed bomber mission.
For us Luftweinees, this thing is armed to the teeth for a bomber :D
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:O +1 on the He177, that would be fun to fly.
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I bet HiTech is working on the He-111 right now. Not sure about the He-177
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What I don't get is that since this is clearly a wanted addition, and that it would clearly add to the game, why HTC hasn't added it.
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What I don't get is that since this is clearly a wanted addition, and that it would clearly add to the game, why HTC hasn't added it.
Lack of substantial documentation on flight characteristics...probably. I'm sure if someone did the research and submitted the needed information, HTC would put it on the "to do" list.
I could do the sharp stick jab on HTC at this point but I'll let it go.
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What I don't get is that since this is clearly a wanted addition, and that it would clearly add to the game, why HTC hasn't added it.
Because they have different priorities? Don't get me wrong, I like new things as much as anyone else.
I do wonder if the 80+ something different options we have now are not enough, what will be?
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I've been begging for the HE-177 for the longest time, i still think it will get more use than the lancaster. Possibly than the 234s
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Forgive me, Luftwaffe fans, but HTC should start in the beggining. That means the He-111. Of course, I am all for the He-177 but not before many others are taken care of...
I know, I'm a suspect fan of scenarios that gets tired of chasing Ju-88's in Hurri I's... And, come on, you must agree that for the average MA flyer, you do not need a gourmet 177 to divebomb a CV... You have the Lancastuka for that...
He-111, yes, please, ASAP.
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Lots of posts on this, the he-111 is a must :)
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But what use would it find in the MA?
Next to none. The only real advantage it has over the 88 is defensive armament, and the limited range of the guns creates several "blind spots" in the gunners ,for lack of a better term, area-in-which-he-can-return-fire.
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What I don't get is that since this is clearly a wanted addition, and that it would clearly add to the game, why HTC hasn't added it.
Research. Good, accurate research to model it as correctly as possible. I can't imagine the brain cramping by the HTC crew to get it right.
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Rino besides legal issues, server crashes, and making sure you're not being robbed, what takes priority over making your source of income happy?
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I would really be massively p***** o** if we get another slow & vulnerable German early war bomber instead of trying to close that giant MA Luftwaffe bomber gap first with a plane that's at least a bit more survivable.
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I've been begging for the HE-177 for the longest time, i still think it will get more use than the lancaster. Possibly than the 234s
This sentence doesn't make sense. If you think it would get more use than the Lancaster (likely, given none of its horrible failings would be modeled) how do you think it would only possibly get more use than the Ar234? The Lancaster sees vastly more use than the Ar234 in AH.
Frankly, to my mind the fact that it would see more use than the Lancaster, and likely the B-24 and B-17, despite being a total non-factor in WWII is the biggest argument against adding it.
For my part, I'd love to see a Ju188A.
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This sentence doesn't make sense. If you think it would get more use than the Lancaster (likely, given none of its horrible failings would be modeled) how do you think it would only possibly get more use than the Ar234? The Lancaster sees vastly more use than the Ar234 in AH.
Frankly, to my mind the fact that it would see more use than the Lancaster, and likely the B-24 and B-17, despite being a total non-factor in WWII is the biggest argument against adding it.
For my part, I'd love to see a Ju188A.
The MA is not based off of the war.
I'm rather sure i've never read a thing about Stuka's sinking USN aircraft carriers, but it happens on a regular basis in the MA, and is a part of the gameplay.
Whether it was relevant to the actual war or not, it would fill a large gap in our plane set, and perhaps convert a few spit dweebs to luftweenies in the process.
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The MA is not based off of the war.
I'm rather sure i've never read a thing about Stuka's sinking USN aircraft carriers, but it happens on a regular basis in the MA, and is a part of the gameplay.
Whether it was relevant to the actual war or not, it would fill a large gap in our plane set, and perhaps convert a few spit dweebs to luftweenies in the process.
It would fill no gap. In the MA you can use whatever heavy you like, thus no particular heavy is needed.
In scenarios it is useless due to the fact that it was a non-factor.
The only place it would fill a gap is if we were looking to do a Fighter Aces style US vs UK vs USSR vs Germany vs Japan environment, in which case we'd need heavy German, Japanese and Russian bombers. Outside of that we don't need heavy Russian, German and Japanese bombers as they played so slight a part in the war.
Also, why do you think any "spit dweeb" would convert to be a "luftweenie" for a bomber?
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But what use would it find in the MA?
Next to none. The only real advantage it has over the 88 is defensive armament, and the limited range of the guns creates several "blind spots" in the gunners ,for lack of a better term, area-in-which-he-can-return-fire.
So does the B-25 C, now shut up and let me have my He-111.
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It would fill no gap. In the MA you can use whatever heavy you like, thus no particular heavy is needed.
Going by this logic, we have plenty of fighters and GV's, why add more?
In scenarios it is useless due to the fact that it was a non-factor.
The 163 probably had a much smaller effect on the war, yet, there it is sitting in the hangar.
Also, why do you think any "spit dweeb" would convert to be a "luftweenie" for a bomber?
If they're anything like me, they'll get a kick out of beating the other fellow in what so many hold to be inferior machinery, and perhaps begin using Axis airframes more often.
So does the B-25 C, now shut up and let me have my He-111.
Did you not see the specs I posted above? The 177 is superior in nearly every way. The B-25 also has fewer defensive guns, and a larger bombload, but still retains a more efficient layout.
One of the reason's my squad is not content with the 88 is its range. The Heinkel 111 has a little LESS range than the Junkers 88, while the 177 has more than twice the range!
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I would really be massively p***** o** if we get another slow & vulnerable German early war bomber instead of trying to close that giant MA Luftwaffe bomber gap first with a plane that's at least a bit more survivable.
well, its just that people in this game are too lazy to fly the bombers correctly. In WWII bombers flew up to 20-30k. In Aces, bombers go anywhere from 0-20k.
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Rino besides legal issues, server crashes, and making sure you're not being robbed, what takes priority over making your source of income happy?
So now you are the total source of HTC's income? I've been here since 2000ish and I am happy with
their efforts myself. Of course my attention span lasts more than 4-5 seconds too.
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well, its just that people in this game are too lazy to fly the bombers correctly. In WWII bombers flew up to 20-30k. In Aces, bombers go anywhere from 0-20k.
Try to fly a Ju 88 at 25 or 30k... :rolleyes:
Even if you take the time to get to 20k, you are still dead meat on the table.
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I don't really care about the specs Brown, its about having the full collection, and even if you think its not worth getting it because of its range or whatever, people will still use it. It will also be usefull in FSO, and such instead of using a freakin replacement.
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So now you are the total source of HTC's income? I've been here since 2000ish and I am happy with
their efforts myself. Of course my attention span lasts more than 4-5 seconds too.
I'M not the total source of their income, but their player base is. I personally don't give a damn if we get the He-111. Once the "new" wears of I won't give it a second glance, I'm sure. I was simply saying that if more than 1/2 their player base wants the He-111, then it would benifit them to add the 111. I would be thrilled if they added a Hetzer, Marder II, Jagdpanther (oh hell yes), Panther, Panzer III ausf L, etc; but I couldn't care less about bombers.
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He-111s and Do-17s practically flattened half the major cities in my country for that fact alone its unbelievable that they arent included in the plane set.The reason allways given is lack of information on the aircraft, very strange as my grandmother could identify them but she wouldnt have known an Ar-234 if she had tripped over it in the street.
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How often do we even do scenarios including the Germans? Not very often. And even then, the 111 was woefully ill-equiped to defend herself against new high-speed heavily armed opponents after the early war. The 177, on the other hand, served throughout the entire war, and was ten fold more able to defend herself.
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How often do we even do scenarios including the Germans? Not very often. And even then, the 111 was woefully ill-equiped to defend herself against new high-speed heavily armed opponents after the early war. The 177, on the other hand, served throughout the entire war, and was ten fold more able to defend herself.
You might want to do some research before making absurd claims. The He177 most certainly did not serve throughout the entire war, and it never, not even in the He177A-5, reached a reliability level that was remotely acceptable.
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You might want to do some research before making absurd claims. The He177 most certainly did not serve throughout the entire war, and it never, not even in the He177A-5, reached a reliability level that was remotely acceptable.
That's what I get for using wikipedia as a reference source, I suppose, but it was built in quantity by late war. :o
It's true, the 177 had severe reliability issues, but engine issues are not something HiTech wishes to bring to the game.