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Title: desert terrain
Post by: DERK13 on June 21, 2010, 07:53:43 PM
ive thought about this alot but what if we had a desert arena/map whichever 1 with like cacti and canyons and huge rocks and plateaus just an idea and i know WW2 didnt have all desert but come on it wasnt all palm trees either and also maybe some snow maps, ive seen a few pics of snow covered land and all in pics but never been in that kind of situation. but id like to see some furballs over desert landscape in canyons and all id think it would look good

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Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: MachFly on June 21, 2010, 07:59:06 PM
+1

Actually there were: africa.
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: sky25 on June 21, 2010, 08:00:40 PM
Great Idea. +1
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: DERK13 on June 21, 2010, 08:14:36 PM
also get rid of those barns and wind mills how bout some little shacks every now and then
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: lyric1 on June 21, 2010, 08:41:37 PM
also get rid of those barns and wind mills how bout some little shacks every now and then
Always get a chuckle on the OZKANSAS map when flying over the northern part of Australia. :headscratch: Seems to be a lot greener than I remember. :lol
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: DERK13 on June 21, 2010, 09:14:30 PM
ok since this looking like a good idea how would i bring this up to hitech or do i just make a map and send it to him
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: lyric1 on June 21, 2010, 09:20:52 PM
ok since this looking like a good idea how would i bring this up to hitech or do i just make a map and send it to him
Not sure I would guess the terrain editor maybe would be the place to start?
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: USRanger on June 21, 2010, 10:18:37 PM
 :noid

(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1893/dessp.jpg) (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/dessp.jpg/)
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: DERK13 on June 21, 2010, 11:00:09 PM
:noid

(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1893/dessp.jpg) (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/dessp.jpg/)

good pic but thats not the desert terrain im talkin about, im talkin bout cacti no rivers, sand dunes and like shrubs and all that with canyons. and desert like landscape similair to australia and arizona nevada area
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: MachFly on June 21, 2010, 11:02:36 PM
good pic but thats not the desert terrain im talkin about, im talkin bout cacti no rivers, sand dunes and like shrubs and all that with canyons. and desert like landscape similair to australia and arizona nevada area

He made that.... ;)
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: DERK13 on June 21, 2010, 11:07:18 PM
He made that.... ;)

i figured because ive never seen that map before
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: bravoa8 on June 21, 2010, 11:39:21 PM
good pic but thats not the desert terrain im talkin about, im talkin bout cacti no rivers, sand dunes and like shrubs and all that with canyons. and desert like landscape similair to australia and arizona nevada area
I'd like that too, unfortunately HT only allows 2 types of terrain types (the objects on the ground trees,barns,bushes) the european and pacific set. :frown:
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: DERK13 on June 21, 2010, 11:50:48 PM
I'd like that too, unfortunately HT only allows 2 types of terrain types (the objects on the ground trees,barns,bushes) the european and pacific set. :frown:


WHAT why thats ridiculous WW2 didnt all happen in asia and europe there were fights in africa and in ausrtalia thats why its called WORLD WAR because most of the contenients were in it. why would he only allow europe and pacific and besides not all maps are european and pacific.
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: fbWldcat on June 22, 2010, 12:10:05 AM
:cry

The war in Africa wasn't that long or drawn out, a few months, maybe. Besides, is a desert terrain even needed? No, The Aussie deserts weren't the battleground anyway. Just because Australia was in the war doesn't mean the battles were fought in the middle of the desert. Most action took place in the Pacific.

P.S. watch the Pacific, it will give you an understanding of why Australia was so important to both sides. Just watch it. You will understand why the war was mostly in the Pacific Isles. (Guadalcanal, Okinawa, Peleliu, etc).All islands in the Pacific ocean, not in the desert.
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: lyric1 on June 22, 2010, 02:22:57 AM

P.S. watch the Pacific, it will give you an understanding of why Australia was so important to both sides. Just watch it. You will understand why the war was mostly in the Pacific Isles. (Guadalcanal, Okinawa, Peleliu, etc).All islands in the Pacific ocean, not in the desert.
If I told you that the entire Pacific series was filmed in Australia would you believe me? In fact a lot of it was done in some of the same locations as the first Mad Max film.
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: BrownBaron on June 22, 2010, 02:31:39 AM


WHAT why thats ridiculous WW2 didnt all happen in asia and europe there were fights in africa and in ausrtalia thats why its called WORLD WAR because most of the contenients were in it. why would he only allow europe and pacific and besides not all maps are european and pacific.

Dear god! Punctuation!

We're just starting to get Stealth to use it sparsely, and now you come to reinforce this terrible habit.

Ranger has this all worked out...that terrain should be debuting in the AvA soon...hopefully it will make its way into the Blue rotation...
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: 1pLUs44 on June 22, 2010, 02:49:58 AM
How about just different fronts for each kind of fight on the maps? Partial desert that flows into a tropical type of environment, that then flows into a northern woods type thing, that then flows into snow/tundra type environments? Would be pretty cool to have to change your plane skins/types to effectively fight in different areas of the map.  :rock
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: BrownBaron on June 22, 2010, 02:52:24 AM
How about just different fronts for each kind of fight on the maps? Partial desert that flows into a tropical type of environment, that then flows into a northern woods type thing, that then flows into snow/tundra type environments? Would be pretty cool to have to change your plane skins/types to effectively fight in different areas of the map.  :rock

considering climate currently has no effect on your plane right now, changeing model would have no effect.

As for skin, I think that big neon red sign is giving you away, not your brown skin.
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: MachFly on June 22, 2010, 03:04:28 AM
considering climate currently has no effect on your plane right now, changeing model would have no effect.

As for skin, I think that big neon red sign is giving you away, not your brown skin.

I don't GV much, but I assume it would be good for the GVs.

Also if your trying to sneak a goon in low the skin also helps.
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: cobia38 on June 22, 2010, 06:10:55 AM

 I miss  AKdesert map   :cry
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: fbWldcat on June 22, 2010, 07:30:10 AM
If I told you that the entire Pacific series was filmed in Australia would you believe me? In fact a lot of it was done in some of the same locations as the first Mad Max film.

Yes I would but I don't remember any of the Pacific containing battles with the Japanese in the middle of some God forsaken Aussie desert.  :aok
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: DERK13 on June 22, 2010, 12:17:01 PM
Yes I would but I don't remember any of the Pacific containing battles with the Japanese in the middle of some God forsaken Aussie desert.  :aok

hey look here all im sayin a new map to the game would be nice this whole game isnt all realistic btw.
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: Rino on June 22, 2010, 12:25:35 PM


WHAT why thats ridiculous WW2 didnt all happen in asia and europe there were fights in africa and in ausrtalia thats why its called WORLD WAR because most of the contenients were in it. why would he only allow europe and pacific and besides not all maps are european and pacific.

     Just wondering what battles were over the Australian desert?  In fact, I'm not
sure much combat was seen over Australia at all.  I'm sure our Aussie pals can enlighten me if I am
mistaken of course  :)  I had to google Port Moresby to find out it is in New Guinea <blush>
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: Bino on June 22, 2010, 01:14:29 PM
    Just wondering what battles were over the Australian desert?  In fact, I'm not
sure much combat was seen over Australia at all.  I'm sure our Aussie pals can enlighten me if I am
mistaken of course  :)  I had to google Port Moresby to find out it is in New Guinea <blush>


Rino, there were Japanese air attacks on Darwin.
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: BulletVI on June 22, 2010, 02:43:44 PM
I believe that for the M/A a desert map would be fun but there's a problem i believe aces high wont wear it because the desert campain was for around 1 year fought between Britain ,Germany , And Italy. thus America was never involved with the desert campain for the final 2and a half months. and that was just mainly the ground forces. So i think they wouldn't do it due to the fact that there was no American or Russian or Japanese involvement during the desert war in Africa. only after Sicily was taken was the US airforce in Africa to strike at Italy. And i believe that Hitech creations are only focusing on the biggest campains for maps.

But great idea go and creat the map and submit it to Ace's High II they may say Yes Or They May Say NO.

You never know you may be able to hold African Desert Campains in the Special Arena One day.  :aok  :rock :salute  :cheers:  :airplane:
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: USRanger on June 22, 2010, 05:50:37 PM
I believe that for the M/A a desert map would be fun but there's a problem i believe aces high wont wear it because the desert campain was for around 1 year fought between Britain ,Germany , And Italy. thus America was never involved with the desert campain for the final 2and a half months. and that was just mainly the ground forces. So i think they wouldn't do it due to the fact that there was no American or Russian or Japanese involvement during the desert war in Africa. only after Sicily was taken was the US airforce in Africa to strike at Italy. And i believe that Hitech creations are only focusing on the biggest campains for maps.

But great idea go and creat the map and submit it to Ace's High II they may say Yes Or They May Say NO.

You never know you may be able to hold African Desert Campains in the Special Arena One day.  :aok  :rock :salute  :cheers:  :airplane:

MA terrains have nothing to do with the real war.  There are no historical terrains in the MA, they are designed around 3 sided gameplay and purely fictional.

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And i believe that Hitech creations are only focusing on the biggest campains for maps.

Could you please name one MA terrain based on an historical campaign?

 :)
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: lyric1 on June 23, 2010, 02:16:26 AM
Rino, there were Japanese air attacks on Darwin.

My dad was at Darwin for jungle training when it was bombed he took photos at the time. I have not seen them in more than 21 years though.
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: Easyscor on June 23, 2010, 11:23:22 AM
I believe that for the M/A a desert map would be fun but there's a problem i believe aces high wont wear it because the desert campain was for around 1 year fought between Britain ,Germany , And Italy. thus America was never involved with the desert campain for the final 2and a half months. and that was just mainly the ground forces. So i think they wouldn't do it due to the fact that there was no American or Russian or Japanese involvement during the desert war in Africa. only after Sicily was taken was the US airforce in Africa to strike at Italy. And i believe that Hitech creations are only focusing on the biggest campains for maps.

Ah, you might want to check out this book at you local library:

An Army at Dawn by Rick Atkinson. ISBN 0-8050-7448-1

In addition, a well done desert tile set could be use for most of the mediterrainian countries.
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: HawkerMKII on June 28, 2010, 10:56:38 AM
I miss  AKdesert map   :cry


Is that the map that was call PIZZA map in the good old days :old:
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: jolly22 on June 28, 2010, 11:03:18 AM
phew thats a long sentence!

but +1 for the idea
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: SlapShot on June 28, 2010, 02:50:27 PM
I miss  AKdesert map   :cry

Me too ... Fighting in those 10,000 ft canyons was the bomb ... the CV/Airfield battles were epic ... along with the GV battles on the perimeter.


Is that the map that was call PIZZA map in the good old days :old:

Yup ... fondly known as "The Pizza Map".
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: HawkerMKII on June 28, 2010, 03:12:05 PM
Me too ... Fighting in those 10,000 ft canyons was the bomb ... the CV/Airfield battles were epic ... along with the GV battles on the perimeter.

Yup ... fondly known as "The Pizza Map".
I miss that map, anyway to bring it back :cry
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: Wildcat1 on June 28, 2010, 10:22:23 PM
ive thought about this alot but what if we had a desert arena/map whichever 1 with like cacti and canyons and huge rocks and plateaus just an idea and i know WW2 didnt have all desert but come on it wasnt all palm trees either and also maybe some snow maps, ive seen a few pics of snow covered land and all in pics but never been in that kind of situation. but id like to see some furballs over desert landscape in canyons and all id think it would look good

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Tunisia
rhine winter

 :salute
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: BulletVI on July 04, 2010, 06:28:27 PM
MA terrains have nothing to do with the real war.  There are no historical terrains in the MA, they are designed around 3 sided gameplay and purely fictional.

Could you please name one MA terrain based on an historical campaign?

 :)
they may be fictional but i cant see HTC having a Desert map for the M/A as it only involved 3 countrys to start with it was just the Brits and the Italians. Cos as you may notice all of HTC 's Main arena maps use all aircraft from all side's Europe and the Pacific.
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: Plazus on July 04, 2010, 06:46:17 PM
I believe that for the M/A a desert map would be fun but there's a problem i believe aces high wont wear it because the desert campain was for around 1 year fought between Britain ,Germany , And Italy. thus America was never involved with the desert campain for the final 2and a half months. and that was just mainly the ground forces. So i think they wouldn't do it due to the fact that there was no American or Russian or Japanese involvement during the desert war in Africa. only after Sicily was taken was the US airforce in Africa to strike at Italy. And i believe that Hitech creations are only focusing on the biggest campains for maps.

But great idea go and creat the map and submit it to Ace's High II they may say Yes Or They May Say NO.

You never know you may be able to hold African Desert Campains in the Special Arena One day.  :aok  :rock :salute  :cheers:  :airplane:

This is incorrect. The United States' involvement in North Africa exends well before the invasion of Sicily. The US began the North African campaign in 1942, starting with Morocco and working their way East. They had to push back German forces and capture Tunisia in order to launch a successful invasion on Sicily. So the US, in fact, saw combat in the desert.

And what does the US, Japanese, and Russian involvement with desert terrain have to do with the map selection in the MAs? I see no point in making an argument against adding a desert terrain to the MAs. If anything, I think it would spark some added interest in the MAs due to the variety. Desert plane and GV skins would have more use and value IMO.
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: SmokinLoon on July 04, 2010, 11:39:35 PM
There are some splendid desert maps used in the North African scenarios.  Someone please explain the process in which those same desert textures can be picked up and moved onto any of the current maps we play on in the MA's.  The same goes for the winter textures in the European maps for those winter scenarios.  Those maps are amazing.  Why is that kind of eye candy and talent reserved for the scenarios when the bulk of the trigger pullin' is done in the MA's?

Playing on maps that have fewer trees, different colors than the green summers of Europe and South Pacific, and long lanes of fire for the gv's has a huge appeal to it.  I'm sure I can speak for a great many on that subject.   :D

Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: Easyscor on July 05, 2010, 01:36:34 AM
There are some splendid desert maps used in the North African scenarios.  Someone please explain the process in which those same desert textures can be picked up and moved onto any of the current maps we play on in the MA's.  The same goes for the winter textures in the European maps for those winter scenarios.  Those maps are amazing.  Why is that kind of eye candy and talent reserved for the scenarios when the bulk of the trigger pullin' is done in the MA's?

Playing on maps that have fewer trees, different colors than the green summers of Europe and South Pacific, and long lanes of fire for the gv's has a huge appeal to it.  I'm sure I can speak for a great many on that subject.   :D



Dux made those wonderful desert textures for the CM terrain team. Unfortunately, they are no longer usable because of the scale, it changed with the new terrain engine (a bush is the size of bomber hanger lol). Same for the old winter textures.

There is nothing to prevent a player from building and submitting a terrain for the MA with desert tiles, and there's nothing preventing another player from creating a complete set of desert textures, and donating them to the community. Nothing except for the inordinate amount of time it takes to create over 60 textures, but you will gain a much greater appreciation for htc if you undertake such a project.
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: SmokinLoon on July 05, 2010, 09:12:19 AM
Dux made those wonderful desert textures for the CM terrain team. Unfortunately, they are no longer usable because of the scale, it changed with the new terrain engine (a bush is the size of bomber hanger lol). Same for the old winter textures.

There is nothing to prevent a player from building and submitting a terrain for the MA with desert tiles, and there's nothing preventing another player from creating a complete set of desert textures, and donating them to the community. Nothing except for the inordinate amount of time it takes to create over 60 textures, but you will gain a much greater appreciation for htc if you undertake such a project.

Hmm... I 'spose there is no better time to learn how to texture than now.  I have not taken a computer class for "coading" purposes since 1996, and that was all DOS.  Thing is, just how open is HTC to receiving new textures for existing maps?  Is it even an option?  To me, that would be the easiest way to diversify the kinds of maps we play on vs designing entire new maps. 
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: BulletVI on July 05, 2010, 02:43:23 PM
This is incorrect. The United States' involvement in North Africa exends well before the invasion of Sicily. The US began the North African campaign in 1942, starting with Morocco and working their way East. They had to push back German forces and capture Tunisia in order to launch a successful invasion on Sicily. So the US, in fact, saw combat in the desert.

And what does the US, Japanese, and Russian involvement with desert terrain have to do with the map selection in the MAs? I see no point in making an argument against adding a desert terrain to the MAs. If anything, I think it would spark some added interest in the MAs due to the variety. Desert plane and GV skins would have more use and value IMO.

I did acctually mean the last 2 and a half to 8 month's you may call it as Montgomery said perfect training ground for the U.S Army and Army Air Corp :)

Sorry his word's i think at least i dont realy know whitch General said it or if any did :lol
Title: Re: desert terrain
Post by: Easyscor on July 05, 2010, 03:03:53 PM
Hmm... I 'spose there is no better time to learn how to texture than now.  I have not taken a computer class for "coading" purposes since 1996, and that was all DOS.  Thing is, just how open is HTC to receiving new textures for existing maps?  Is it even an option?  To me, that would be the easiest way to diversify the kinds of maps we play on vs designing entire new maps. 

Those are not questions that I can answer.