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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: redman555 on June 22, 2010, 06:42:31 PM
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OMG, I saw this, this morning on a youtube show I watch, holy cow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADGn1GABF0Q
-BigBOBCH
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Love how in the description it says that animal control said there is nothing they can do to prevent it happening again. That is why I love rural Arkansas and areas outside of cities. If there is an animal that poses a threat to your land and/or livestock, includes dogs, you are allowed to take steps to correct that problem. Up to and including lethal varieties.
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looks like another WUSS sleeping on someones Bed Dog, prob goes to the vet for teeth brushing, instinct bread right out. (no I dont have or like Pitbulls)
Kam
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Maybe a warning to folks that don't like to see old and beloved family pets get the crap kicked out of them....
DON'T WATCH
For anyone else; go right ahead.
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looks like another WUSS sleeping on someones Bed Dog, prob goes to the vet for teeth brushing, instinct bread right out. (no I dont have or like Pitbulls)
Kam
What did that have to do with Pitbulls at all?
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This is why I love German Shepherds, Boxers, and Labs, they can defend themselves very well, and I have never been able to breed out the instincts out of them. My Boxer (in his prime, poor guy is 11 now) would've probably borken that deer's neck. My sister's Boxer/Pitbull would have massacred it. It is just sad how animals are becoming more docile and are being punished by euthanizing as soon as it nips it's owner. More than likely, the owner did something to prevoke it. Deer are wild things though, don't screw with em. And now back to the thread.
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What I don't get is why it attacked the dog... the damn cat was the one ontop of the fawn and preparing to season it with salt and pepper. Given the spontaneous and unwarranted behavior of this attack I'd say kill the deer if it wasn't nursing a fawn.
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What I don't get is why it attacked the dog... the damn cat was the one ontop of the fawn and preparing to season it with salt and pepper. Given the spontaneous and unwarranted behavior of this attack I'd say kill the deer if it wasn't nursing a fawn.
When watching the film, I had the very deep primeival urge to tackle the deer just to scare it off. I love dogs and if this ever happened to my old guy I'd tackle the deer not to hurt it, but to get it away. For future reference to these people, spread human hair and pee in the yard (at night of course :uhoh :noid) the smell of humans drives deer away, works for rabbits and I've heard on bears as well.
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See Rule #6
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My science teacher went out in the field to do research for the KDFWR (KY, Dept. of Fish and Wildlife Resources). He used ot wrestle and play football.... He was assigned to tackle Elk in the field for research. Didn't hurt any of them, and I thought it was really cool. I thought of him after watching this.
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This would be me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HYIrrUZfHU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HYIrrUZfHU&feature=related)
I'm way too slap happy right now to be staying on these boards. :rofl :noid
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I remember when our dog max found a groundhog..... it bit him on the lip and didn't come so he twirled and blood flew everywhere.
hymi came out with a gun and didn't know whether to feel sorry or laugh.
he shook it off and our other dog pepper came in and killed it quickly. He would lip everything to death.
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I stepped on a fawn this spring, walking in tall grass checking a fence line. It scared the crap out of me, wasn't expecting it.. Figured Ma had to be around someplace, I just kept going. Fawn got up and ran few feet into some brush.
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I stepped on a fawn this spring, walking in tall grass checking a fence line. It scared the crap out of me, wasn't expecting it.. Figured Ma had to be around someplace, I just kept going. Fawn got up and ran few feet into some brush.
I was on a ATV looking at a rangeland when a dam fawn jump up five or so feet in front of me. Dam near ran over it.
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Holy crap! That's my cat....... in America??
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/cat.jpg)
:O
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hmmm the deer has good SA, didn't think it would go for the dog first!
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Good thing it wasn't a bear cub and mama came looking like that Doe did.
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This is why I love German Shepherds, Boxers, and Labs, they can defend themselves very well, and I have never been able to breed out the instincts out of them. My Boxer (in his prime, poor guy is 11 now) would've probably borken that deer's neck. My sister's Boxer/Pitbull would have massacred it. It is just sad how animals are becoming more docile and are being punished by euthanizing as soon as it nips it's owner. More than likely, the owner did something to prevoke it. Deer are wild things though, don't screw with em. And now back to the thread.
That was a border collie and if the thing wouldn't have got blind sided it would have probably defended itself pretty good.. My wifes family own's a large ranch and have several working border collies and I have seen em back bulls down.. I own a border collie myself and she is a brute..
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What's with those people just videotaping it instead of helping out the dog?
Dog = Man's Best Friend
Deer = Food
Get with the program, people!
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What's with those people just videotaping it instead of helping out the dog?
Dog = Man's Best Friend
Deer = Food
Get with the program, people!
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That was a border collie and if the thing wouldn't have got blind sided it would have probably defended itself pretty good.. My wifes family own's a large ranch and have several working border collies and I have seen em back bulls down.. I own a border collie myself and she is a brute..
+1, Border Collies are good dogs, I have a mix of lab/border collie, he's a damn good dog! (extremely hyper though)
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That doe didn't do anything to deserve being put down. Keep your damn dog on a leash. The dog getting hurt is the fault of the owner and nobody else much less the Deer. That fawns age would be measured in hours and mom was within her every natural right to defend her fawn from what she saw as a threat.
When November rolls around Mom would be fair game. This to me serves as a perfectly good reminder to respect nature and where exactly we as mere humans might sit if it came to it. As far as tackling a deer or an elk? Yeah, right. I'll believe it when I see it.
My first thought in this situation would be keeping my dog away from the deer and leaving both Doe and Fawn an escape route. That Fawn wasn't going anywhere quickly and the biggest predator yearling deer have are coyotes. What are coyotes? They're dogs. Mama deer did right, the dogs owner did stupid.
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That doe didn't do anything to deserve being put down. Keep your damn dog on a leash. The dog getting hurt is the fault of the owner and nobody else much less the Deer. That fawns age would be measured in hours and mom was within her every natural right to defend her fawn from what she saw as a threat.
When November rolls around Mom would be fair game. This to me serves as a perfectly good reminder to respect nature and where exactly we as mere humans might sit if it came to it. As far as tackling a deer or an elk? Yeah, right. I'll believe it when I see it.
My first thought in this situation would be keeping my dog away from the deer and leaving both Doe and Fawn an escape route. That Fawn wasn't going anywhere quickly and the biggest predator yearling deer have are coyotes. What are coyotes? They're dogs. Mama deer did right, the dogs owner did stupid.
U did notice the deer were right in a populated area right? It could be a place like were i live and peeps let there dogs run around if there not a problem to other people or pets.... If that were my dog I would of been having a fawn on a the bbq and doe backstraps... Did u notce the dog was not even interested? All u tree huggers are the same :rolleyes:
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U did notice the deer were right in a populated area right? It could be a place like were i live and peeps let there dogs run around if there not a problem to other people or pets.... If that were my dog I would of been having a fawn on a the bbq and doe backstraps... Did u notce the dog was not even interested? All u tree huggers are the same :rolleyes:
I take partial offence to that. I'm a tree hugger but have no problem in this situation throwing bambi's mother on the grill here (once bambi is old enough to take after him/herself first). I would partly suspect the deer is rabid, as the threat was the cat right there ontop of the fawn, while the deer tookoff and attacked a dog walking across the street on the other side of the block (given that wolves and coyotes are a threat to fawns, so are mountain lions and bobcats).
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You really called me a tree hugger? :headscratch:
The dog was out of frame and I don't know what may have set the Doe off. If the dog was on a leash I don't imagine this same incident would have happened. If you would really choose to discharge a firearm in a neighborhood like that at a deer you're not only unsafe but you're also foolish with questionable legality depending on your local laws or municipality. On the other hand you could be playing a part of ITG in which case you're talking out your rear which I think to be the true case.
If you choose to not have your pet on a leash you better be prepared to accept responsibility for what that dog gets into. Whether it's sprayed by a skunk, scratched by a raccoon or in this case beaten by a deer defending it's fawn the dog owner is responsible. My chocolate lab runs free in a 4 acre section of invisible fenced area. He on occasion gets into it with a skunk or other animal and it's on me to get him cleaned up. If he attacks a child that wanders into our back lot then I'm responsible. If he gets killed by a pack of coyotes then I'm responsible. We take various precautions and safeguard to prevent things like that but accidents do happen. This dog not being attended while outside in a neighborhood allowed to run across the street with cars and other animals is the responsibility of the owners good deed or bad.
In this case, the screaming woman who I imagine is the owner of the dog needs to deal with the fact that her failure to secure and attend to her dog was beaten by a deer defending her fawn. It's her own damn fault for not taking any precautions.
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I take partial offence to that. I'm a tree hugger but have no problem in this situation throwing bambi's mother on the grill here (once bambi is old enough to take after him/herself first). I would partly suspect the deer is rabid, as the threat was the cat right there ontop of the fawn, while the deer tookoff and attacked a dog walking across the street on the other side of the block (given that wolves and coyotes are a threat to fawns, so are mountain lions and bobcats).
You don't see many whitetails in LA, do you? That deer is a perfectly healthy animal caring for her fawn. The house cat while related to a cougar or predatory cat was apparently not deemed a threat by mom. For some reason the dog was. The dog is bigger and also has an appearance more to what is a very real, immediate and direct threat to both her and her fawn which would be a coyote. The deers natural instincts told it the dog was a threat. It's not my job to decide why or detain the deer for questioning as to why it attacked the dog instead of the cat (she wasn't thrilled about the cat) but simply point out that it's a wild animal. A wild animal that attacked an unattended and unrestrained dog that shouldn't have been there to interfere with the deer in the first place.
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I work for a living down here, but "live" up north when I don't need to make a dollar in Trinity County, one of the best countys in this state (maybe country?) for white tail hunting. The difference?... down here a deer a 200' up the slope in the Sepulveda pass is enough cause for a sigalert due to all the loly-gagging (*lurch-groan*). Up there they're (does for the most part) considered pests and shot at when they venture too close to the gardens surrounded by 9-foot fences if you don't live within a city's limits.
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I blame the owner, she took a voyeur stance on it till it became Real.
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I woulda jumped in there. It mighta' hurt me, but it could have killed the dog.
Poor dog just showing submissive posture, not smart enough to realize deer don't speak dog. :headscratch:
Cat's not too smart either but at least he's got 8 lives left. :rock
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That went down like a cartoon. "Cat, if you don't stop messing with my baby, I'm going to go kick the crap out of that dog minding his/her own business 40 yards over!"
I've been working out in the woods as a forestry major. I've come across about a dozen fawns. The little jokers will let you get right on top of them before they bust out like a covey of quail. The first few times it would be a newborn who could just wobble off and stop a short distance away (I could have caught one without trying). I've never had momma come out and stare me down but I know she was around.
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The cat was lucky. It almost got it, one good stomp could have killed that cat easy.
If that was my dog, I would have put it inside and let the Doe get its fawn and move on.
Fawn on the BBQ, lol. Theres hardly any meat on a 7 month fawn let alone a newborn.
Deer attacks hunter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15ut0KUHO9E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15ut0KUHO9E)
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Not terribly important, but that isn't actually a whitetail deer. The tail and stotting give it away. You can see it in the fawn too.
What silly people... It looks like they built their houses right smack in the middle of deer habitat, and then were surprised when the deer were there, and that she deemed the predator a threat to her young?
She probably wouldn't have bothered with the cat had she not been worked up by the dog. She actually tried to ignore it, then scare it away, and only gave it a little kick after it pawed her nose... At 53 seconds in her body language tells the real story- she's trying to figure out what to do about the real threat, and she wants to leave. She can't leave though, so she's placing her body between her fawn and the threat (which isn't the cat; she's a bit annoyed by the cat, but she isn't trying to defend her fawn from it). Since flight isn't an option, she chooses to fight.
I'm actually surprised she didn't give the dog a better stomping. She let it go pretty easy. She could have done far worse... Deer are actually pretty dangerous animals under the right circumstances, and this is one of them. She could have killed the dog. Deer actually kill people this way. Generally they're captive deer, and the people involved are too comfortable around them.
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That crazy cat just had to push his luck :lol Little quicker than the dog... Although I dont think the dog seen the attack coming.. Crazy cat :rofl
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That crazy cat just had to push his luck :lol Little quicker than the dog... Although I dont think the dog seen the attack coming.. Crazy cat :rofl
I highly doubt the dog was blind-sided. As a matter of fact, I'd bet that if we could see the dog in the initial part of the clip, its behavior actually led to the attack (with the help of the dogs owner).
Watch the the doe. She gives all sorts of indications of what's going on off-screen. Right in the beginning of the clip, she's concerned about the cat, and comes in ready to defend her fawn from it. She quickly realizes it isn't a threat at all, but rather just an annoyance. She calms down; until she see's the dog at about 50 seconds into the clip.
Her tension escalates until she's finally had enough at about 1:10. Before that, the fawn uses its defensive behavior (maybe alerted by the does behavior?).
My guess is that first of all, the dog knew the deer were there.
Having dogs of my own, I cannot imagine it taking them more than an instant to detect the deer, especially since the deer were out in the open. Considering that when we first see the dog, it's showing what appears to me to be submissive behavior and is heading towards the person who called it's name (who's calling its name from the other side of the street, and further away from the deer) I'm betting the dog was out of its yard, and was headed towards the deer in the time between 50 seconds and 1:10 in the clip. It may not have been/probably wasn't "attacking" the deer, but I bet it was interested in (and approaching) the deer.
It wasn't just standing there, and it didn't just appear. It's very unlikely that the doe wouldn't have detected the dog, so it (the dog) probably isn't on the scene at all initially. It comes on the scene sometime after about 40 seconds into the clip.
The does behavior shows this. She probably wouldn't have even approached the fawn initially, had the dog been there. The fawns best chance at survival is to not be detected. It has no scent at this age, and is programmed to lie down flat and be still. If the doe approaches the fawn with a threat nearby, she defeats those defenses, and leads to her offspring's death. The cat throws a wild-card into the fray, though. She may have been "forced" to approach her fawn, thinking she'd need to defend it from the cat...
If it (the dog) was aware of and interested in the deer, its body language would have been showing that. Tied with approaching, that's bad news from the perspective of the deer. Working-breed dogs like that would be very likely to be approaching in a manner that looks predatory, like stalking, too. Low to the ground, using fairly short, repeated, advances.
At 1:11, the lady calls the dog. The deer isn't to the dog yet. This is when the lady (who'd probably been watching the whole thing...) recognizes that the deer is getting serious about defending her fawn, and decides maybe she should call her dog back. At this point, the deer is threatening the dog by advancing, but still hasn't really "committed" to the attack yet. She could easily still be "bluffing". AT 1:14, it looks like something happened (that we can't see) that either convinces the doe that attack is necessary (which I doubt, since the threat level hasn't escalated), or that her attack has a high probability of success (she be able to defend the fawn, without getting injured herself). Were I placing bets, I'd say that this is when the dog turned away from the deer (towards the lady calling it). Turning its back on the doe was bad for the dog. Had it stayed facing the dog, the doe would have probably stopped and postured a bit. Turning away from the doe opened the door for attack. At the same time, recognizing the threat of the approaching deer as well as the tone of the lady's voice, the dog likely exhibited submissive body language. Now it's in trouble.
The doe had to take advantage of that, and right away; her fawns life was hanging in the balance. The situation could quickly change, and she'd have missed her chance. Failing to defend the fawn will generally mean a dead fawn, in the "real world". The doe has no concept of "right and wrong". And fat, over-fed, lazy, "soft" predators aren't the norm, in her world. Normally, this is a deadly, serious game, that gets played over and over and over and over. And in the "real world", her fawn wouldn't likely survive this. Desperate times call for desperate measures...
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Let's assume that instead of screaming and gawking at the deer with a camera, the people rush in to help the dog. What happens next? Does the deer continue fighting, or does its own flight instincts kick in?
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probably depends on the body language of the humans, if they are nervous or confident would be reasonably easy for most animals to detect. It would be a an unfair fight 1 on 1, the deer has steel toe cap boots on.
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I highly doubt the dog was blind-sided. As a matter of fact, I'd bet that if we could see the dog in the initial part of the clip, its behavior actually led to the attack (with the help of the dogs owner).
Watch the the doe. She gives all sorts of indications of what's going on off-screen. Right in the beginning of the clip, she's concerned about the cat, and comes in ready to defend her fawn from it. She quickly realizes it isn't a threat at all, but rather just an annoyance. She calms down; until she see's the dog at about 50 seconds into the clip.
Her tension escalates until she's finally had enough at about 1:10. Before that, the fawn uses its defensive behavior (maybe alerted by the does behavior?).
My guess is that first of all, the dog knew the deer were there.
Having dogs of my own, I cannot imagine it taking them more than an instant to detect the deer, especially since the deer were out in the open. Considering that when we first see the dog, it's showing what appears to me to be submissive behavior and is heading towards the person who called it's name (who's calling its name from the other side of the street, and further away from the deer) I'm betting the dog was out of its yard, and was headed towards the deer in the time between 50 seconds and 1:10 in the clip. It may not have been/probably wasn't "attacking" the deer, but I bet it was interested in (and approaching) the deer.
It wasn't just standing there, and it didn't just appear. It's very unlikely that the doe wouldn't have detected the dog, so it (the dog) probably isn't on the scene at all initially. It comes on the scene sometime after about 40 seconds into the clip.
The does behavior shows this. She probably wouldn't have even approached the fawn initially, had the dog been there. The fawns best chance at survival is to not be detected. It has no scent at this age, and is programmed to lie down flat and be still. If the doe approaches the fawn with a threat nearby, she defeats those defenses, and leads to her offspring's death. The cat throws a wild-card into the fray, though. She may have been "forced" to approach her fawn, thinking she'd need to defend it from the cat...
If it (the dog) was aware of and interested in the deer, its body language would have been showing that. Tied with approaching, that's bad news from the perspective of the deer. Working-breed dogs like that would be very likely to be approaching in a manner that looks predatory, like stalking, too. Low to the ground, using fairly short, repeated, advances.
At 1:11, the lady calls the dog. The deer isn't to the dog yet. This is when the lady (who'd probably been watching the whole thing...) recognizes that the deer is getting serious about defending her fawn, and decides maybe she should call her dog back. At this point, the deer is threatening the dog by advancing, but still hasn't really "committed" to the attack yet. She could easily still be "bluffing". AT 1:14, it looks like something happened (that we can't see) that either convinces the doe that attack is necessary (which I doubt, since the threat level hasn't escalated), or that her attack has a high probability of success (she be able to defend the fawn, without getting injured herself). Were I placing bets, I'd say that this is when the dog turned away from the deer (towards the lady calling it). Turning its back on the doe was bad for the dog. Had it stayed facing the dog, the doe would have probably stopped and postured a bit. Turning away from the doe opened the door for attack. At the same time, recognizing the threat of the approaching deer as well as the tone of the lady's voice, the dog likely exhibited submissive body language. Now it's in trouble.
The doe had to take advantage of that, and right away; her fawns life was hanging in the balance. The situation could quickly change, and she'd have missed her chance. Failing to defend the fawn will generally mean a dead fawn, in the "real world". The doe has no concept of "right and wrong". And fat, over-fed, lazy, "soft" predators aren't the norm, in her world. Normally, this is a deadly, serious game, that gets played over and over and over and over. And in the "real world", her fawn wouldn't likely survive this. Desperate times call for desperate measures...
sure :headscratch:
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Both Golfer and Mtnman are spot on with their obsevations!
the Cat was of little concern to the doe,had it latched on to the fawn I'm sure the Doe would have done something but that didnt happen.However the Dog,being offleash and roaming,certainly was a threat to both the Fawn and the Doe and Mom only did what any Mom would do and thats protect it's young.
After the dog was stomped the cat became a threat as the Doe was on HIGH alert and the Cat is a preditor,even if a small one.
Both the Cat and Dog should be locked up at the ASPCA for roaming and the owners fined for having animals at large.
If both the Cat or Dog were confined,we wouldnt have this video in the first place and the Doe wouldnt of had to protect her Fawn.
Call me a tree hugger all you want,I just dont think domestic animals should be able to roam freely about and ya my dog would have eaten the Cat,Doe and Fawn but I dont allow them to run free.
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:lol turn the cat in for roaming free :aok Good 1 :noid
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:lol turn the cat in for roaming free :aok Good 1 :noid
Actually yes,the city I live in has laws against roaming cats,all cats must be licsenced and confined to the owners property,failure to do so subjects the cat to capture from the humane society and a $100 dollar fine!
So laugh as much as you like,however any cat that comes into my yard is subject to capture by my dogs,either case problem solved!!
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Both Golfer and Mtnman are spot on with their obsevations!
the Cat was of little concern to the doe,had it latched on to the fawn I'm sure the Doe would have done something but that didnt happen.However the Dog,being offleash and roaming,certainly was a threat to both the Fawn and the Doe and Mom only did what any Mom would do and thats protect it's young.
After the dog was stomped the cat became a threat as the Doe was on HIGH alert and the Cat is a preditor,even if a small one.
Both the Cat and Dog should be locked up at the ASPCA for roaming and the owners fined for having animals at large.
If both the Cat or Dog were confined,we wouldnt have this video in the first place and the Doe wouldnt of had to protect her Fawn.
Call me a tree hugger all you want,I just dont think domestic animals should be able to roam freely about and ya my dog would have eaten the Cat,Doe and Fawn but I dont allow them to run free.
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I just hate people who let their animals roam free. We see way too many domestic animals on the side of the roads around here all the time, cats, dogs, hell, even a Canary one time. And in my area, we have a huge threat of coyotes, foxes, raccoon, opossum. I have seen coyotes by the highway by my house attacking a owner's dog, in an area where owners just let their dogs run free.
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I shot all 3 of my neighbors pitbull's after the pepper spray didn't work..
I don't care who you are: Your dog threatens my kids, it's dead....
Neighbor had a problem with this.. But the cops didn't... :) :D
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I shot all 3 of my neighbors pitbull's after the pepper spray didn't work..
I don't care who you are: Your dog threatens my kids, it's dead....
Neighbor had a problem with this.. But the cops didn't... :) :D
well on that note i will shoot anything that threatens my children people included...
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I shot all 3 of my neighbors pitbull's after the pepper spray didn't work..
I don't care who you are: Your dog threatens my kids, it's dead....
Neighbor had a problem with this.. But the cops didn't... :) :D
Well let me say first that I'm a pitbull lover and owner, and I totally believe that you're dead on right in that case man. I'd go further even, you should use the pepper spray on their owner who had dogs that would behave in that way and let them roam free to boot. It was his irresponsibility that led to those dogs being shot, and nothing else. That kind of thing gives the breed a bad name, when it should be giving idiots a bad name.
Glad your kids weren't hurt.
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Had that same problem 18 months ago. Cities around central AR have been banning certain breeds of dogs due to statistics. The owners had a choice register and chip their dogs and keep them either in their yard, inside the house, or penned up, or move. Some opted to move out where I was living and some still let their animals roam free. After I took a shot at the neighbors dogs that where on our property that were being aggressive, standing on the back steps and barking/growling and anyone trying to leave through that door and harassing the horses, with rat shot at 25ft to provide a little reinforcement on the dogs and their owner to not act retarded. The same guy was told by another neighbor when the dogs where bothering his goats, "that the next time they come within 10ft of my property you will have 3 dead dogs." Just go to show you that some people shouldn't be allow to own pets.
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I shot all 3 of my neighbors pitbull's after the pepper spray didn't work..
I don't care who you are: Your dog threatens my kids, it's dead....
Neighbor had a problem with this.. But the cops didn't... :) :D
What ever the problem was that started (Noise, crys..?) you happened to have a Gun and pepper spray on you? You had time to get the 2 of them then You had time to use pepper spray then switch to a firearm? Thats allot of time, couldn't get your kids from the threat? Are you a police officer? Please give details. Not judging, just need more details.
Kam
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I take partial offence to that. I'm a tree hugger but have no problem in this situation throwing bambi's mother on the grill here (once bambi is old enough to take after him/herself first). I would partly suspect the deer is rabid, as the threat was the cat right there ontop of the fawn, while the deer tookoff and attacked a dog walking across the street on the other side of the block (given that wolves and coyotes are a threat to fawns, so are mountain lions and bobcats).
Problem 1# I have never heard of a rabid deer. If I recall my college classes correctly...long ago....rabies is a disease exclusive to omnivores/carnivores. Deer don't fit the bill
Problem 2# That's a mule deer not a whitetail.
Problem 3# As a hunter I have a rule. Dog bothers deer...shoot dog first.
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You're right, rabies can only be contracted by omnivores or carnivores.
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Actually, rabies isn't limited to omnivores and carnivores. It's a disease that can be found in almost any warm-blooded mammal.
New York State, 1993-
Rabies was confirmed in 20 deer in the state during the year, including 18 wild whitetail deer and 2 captive Sika deer (farm- bred for meat). There had been 5 rabid deer in 1992 and 3 in 1991. The percent rabid among whitetail deer submitted for testing was 4.2% in 1991(n = 72), 6.4% in 1992(n = 78), and 6.2% in 1993(n = 291). All of these cases occurred in areas experiencing raccoon rabies. Among the 272 whitetail deer submitted during 1993 with a report of the circumstances of capture, 76 had been demonstrating some signs of illness suggestive of rabies: of these 18 were rabid. There were no rabid deer among the 196 that were submitted after routine hunter-initiated contact or captured in other circumstances that did not suggest abnormal behavior in the deer.
http://www.wadsworth.org/rabies/AnnualSummaries/rabies93.htm
http://www.uga.edu/scwds/topic_index/1993/RABIES~1.pdf
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Problem 2# That's a mule deer not a whitetail.
Problem 3# As a hunter I have a rule. Dog bothers deer...shoot dog first.
I was waiting for someone to figure out it wasn't a whitetail, and after this long, I was getting ready to give up! WTG!
I have two dogs, and have been a long-time deer hunter (whitetails and mulies). Around here, we follow the same rule when it comes to dogs harassing deer.
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I was waiting for someone to figure out it wasn't a whitetail, and after this long, I was getting ready to give up! WTG!
I have two dogs, and have been a long-time deer hunter (whitetails and mulies). Around here, we follow the same rule when it comes to dogs harassing deer.
didn't look at thread till it was on page 2. Soon as I saw the tail it gave it away. I've seen one too many white flags in my day to confuse the 2 species. Judging by the dog's size (looks about 60-70 lbs) that doe is a brute. She looks well over the 150 range and probably closer to 200. I have shot decent sized bucks that don't have that kinda body mass. Even a feral dog would be hard pressed against her in that instance.
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didn't look at thread till it was on page 2. Soon as I saw the tail it gave it away. I've seen one too many white flags in my day to confuse the 2 species. Judging by the dog's size (looks about 60-70 lbs) that doe is a brute. She looks well over the 150 range and probably closer to 200. I have shot decent sized bucks that don't have that kinda body mass. Even a feral dog would be hard pressed against her in that instance.
We have only whitetails around here, so I need to travel in order to hunt mule deer. Whenever I do, I'm always amazed at how big and stocky mule deer are compared to our lil' whitetails. I'd say that most of the adult mule deer does I've seen are larger through the body than most of the whitetail bucks I've seen. I've never shot a doe mule deer (I always need to apply for tags, and I only apply for bucks) so I suppose looks could be deceiving in some cases.
I shot a cow elk a few years back with my muzzleloader (with my brother beside me, both of us with flintlocks). She must have been confused about where the shot came from, because after the impact, she charged directly at us. I thought she was going to go right over us, but she stopped at about 15 yards when she saw my brother lift his gun. I couldn't believe how big she was. I felt kind of helpless with my empty rifle, lol!
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I'll have to go look again on Rabies, I guess. It's amazing the wrong info I will say when I've been up for a full 24 hours. :cry
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Go Bambi go! :aok
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I shot all 3 of my neighbors pitbull's after the pepper spray didn't work..
I don't care who you are: Your dog threatens my kids, it's dead....
Neighbor had a problem with this.. But the cops didn't... :) :D
I had a pitbull confrontation in my yard this morning. You just have to love it when the neighbors lose track of them...
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I had a pitbull confrontation in my yard this morning. You just have to love it when the neighbors lose track of them...
This is typical of the problem,doesnt matter what kind or breed of dog any dog can bite and the owner should be held responsible.
As much as I love dogs I wouldnt hesitate to shoot 1 if it was a threat to me or my property.I was bitten once and the result was gangrene from infection from the dogbite. I spent a month in the hospital over this and trust me I would shoot any dog I didnt know that threatened me.
However where I live firearms are not allowed so I must rely on local laws to prevent dogs and cats from roaming free.
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This is typical of the problem,doesnt matter what kind or breed of dog any dog can bite and the owner should be held responsible.
As much as I love dogs I wouldnt hesitate to shoot 1 if it was a threat to me or my property.I was bitten once and the result was gangrene from infection from the dogbite. I spent a month in the hospital over this and trust me I would shoot any dog I didnt know that threatened me.
However where I live firearms are not allowed so I must rely on local laws to prevent dogs and cats from roaming free.
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was the owner held responsible?
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yes!
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I always forget to check the ears for the Mule deer, I amost always at first call a mule deer a white tail, be it standing 5-feet away or watching it on an internet video.
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This is typical of the problem,doesnt matter what kind or breed of dog any dog can bite and the owner should be held responsible.
That's absolutely true and I agree that any dog can escape its owner and then bite someone else. The problem is, irresponsibility begins well before that.
I'd ask prospective owners of any breed to ask themselves at least one, and possibly two questions before bringing a dog into their home:
1. Will your homeowners insurance cover incidents involving that particular breed of dog?
2. If the answer is no, do YOU have the assets and ability to financially compensate any plaintiffs who are injured or killed by your dog?
If the answer to BOTH is "no," then you have absolutely no business owning that breed.
I'm sick of tired of people being completely cavalier and gungho about owning the largest dog they can, all the while being completely incapable of righting any wrongs that dog may commit. In my state, proof of insurance is a requirement to register a car, and I don't think it should be any different with an animal.
Not saying someone can't have one, but sheesh. Take a walk through your favorite city sometime. How many owners are essentially judgment proof? Who is to pay the bills if something should happen? The taxpayer?
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I couldnt agree more Vudak. :aok
It so happens where I live if you own a "pitbull" type dog you must provide proof of insurance of atleast $100,000 liability. A special liscense is require and cost $150 with a limit of 2 dogs.
This has cause many of the "type" you discribe{need the biggest baddest dog} to simply change to much larger dogs that are exempt for these "pitbull laws".
The biggest problem is for whatever reason they wont past a "dangerous dog law" but instead focus on the newest badboy on the block,the pitbull,years ago you never saw them everyone had Dobes or shepards.Personally I think any dog over a certain size poses a real threat or concern and if it happens to be a particular type really doesnt matter, all dog can and do bite.
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That's the problem with breed laws in a nutshell. There's always another large breed out there. How long will we start seeing more and more Pressa Canarios once the pitbull and Rottweiler bans start going into effect. Or any one of the hundred different Mastiffs.... They can ban every single large breed dog and those same donkeys will just mix them to exempt themselves or find newer and more exotic breeds and use them.
The real problem is the people's behavior, and sadly, that can't really be legislated effectively. Education would help greatly, but some people are just donkeys, they know they're wrong but don't care. Nothing to be done about that really, perhaps just severe beatings and have their animals taken away from them and doled out to responsible foster homes. No good answers I'm afraid.
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There should be an insurance requirement to register regardless of breed. Unregistered dogs of a certain age would be subject to "towing" just as an unregistered car would be. Give the owner a certain period of time to comply, and after that, preferably find a foster home... If that's not possible, unfortunately the dog would pay the price for the owner's negligence (which pretty much already happens, anyway).
Some breeds would require a higher or lower premium depending on what the insurance company considers its risk, just as some cars have a higher or lower premium. K-9 Kindergarten and Good Citizenship class discounts, service dog exemptions, people being trained discounts, good dog behavior discounts, etc.
Every dog owner would have to pay something, but many of us already are, with one insurance policy or another.
Some people might lose their dogs from being unable to find realistic and affordable insurance for the breed, but again, they shouldn't have it in the first place. If you can't pay for damages, either with insurance or from your own pocket, you shouldn't be permitted the means to inflict them.