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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: fbWldcat on July 08, 2010, 12:17:25 PM
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I know we just received the new M4s, but I would like something with a little more bang for my buck.
The M26 Pershing.
http://www.onwar.com/tanks/usa/data/m26.htm (http://www.onwar.com/tanks/usa/data/m26.htm)
Just to summarize the basics. This tank had a 90mm turrent gun. Two .30 cal MGs with one .50 cal MG
The turrent could make a full revolution in 15 seconds. Armor in the front was very good at 102mm. Top armor wasn't the greatest at 13mm-25mm.
The website contains all this information and much more.
(http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/01014/images/m26.jpg)
(http://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/imgs/m26_pershing.jpg)
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Down the road we could get it. But for now we need more IJ and Russain ACs
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Which of the four Pershings that saw service in WW2 would you like?
"Time for a new American tank?" :rofl
Why it has been almost two weeks since the last American tank, hasn't it?
wrongway
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I know we just received the new M4s, but I would like something with a little more bang for my buck.
The M26 Pershing.
http://www.onwar.com/tanks/usa/data/m26.htm (http://www.onwar.com/tanks/usa/data/m26.htm)
Just to summarize the basics. This tank had a 90mm turrent gun. Two .30 cal MGs with one .50 cal MG
The turrent could make a full revolution in 15 seconds. Armor in the front was very good at 102mm. Top armor wasn't the greatest at 13mm-25mm.
The website contains all this information and much more.
(http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/01014/images/m26.jpg)
(http://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/imgs/m26_pershing.jpg)
Its players like you who don't want any non-American stuff added until we have every last American unit added. "Time for a new American tank" mere weeks after two were just added. My ass.
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If you have read any other posts of mine on subjects such as this you will see that I don't want every single American aircraft. This is simply a wish, not a wish that absolutely must come true, I need it gimme gimme gimme immediately, but a wish.
I'm much more concerned about filling in the Japanese, Russian, French, Italian, etc, planeset. I have made a couple posts about them in the past. I have posted threads about Japanese tanks, aircraft.
Don't jump to conclusions and think Its players like you who don't want any non-American stuff added until we have every last American unit added
2 weeks ago? Are you referring to the M4s wrngwy? It's been more than 2 weeks hasn't it?
EDIT: I'm not adament about this tank being added immediately, it is simply a wish for something I would like to see in the future
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Its players like you who don't want any non-American stuff added until we have every last American unit added. "Time for a new American tank" mere weeks after two were just added. My ass.
its just a wish dont hate him for it :(
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2 weeks ago? Are you referring to the M4s wrngwy? It's been more than 2 weeks hasn't it?
Yeah, you're right. It's been all of two months.
I was just amused by "isn't it time we..."
:rofl
wrongway
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nothing wrong with more tanks, though I would rather see a lee or stuart in game before this, what we really need is a KV-1 + KV-2, Crusader MkIII ,Churchill Mk.IV, and last but not least, for a late war monster, the ISU-152 :)
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I lol'd.
Not that the IJN/AF, Soviet, Italian plane sets are perfectly filled out.
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Clearly this thread is going south :lol
The Soviets and Italians could stand a few more aircraft.
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The real gap in the tank set is in early/mid war.
Italian P-40
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/43/P26_jagdtiger_woodenmodel.jpg/300px-P26_jagdtiger_woodenmodel.jpg)
Italian M13/40
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-B16002%2C_Nordafrika%2C_Truppenparade_in_Tripolis.jpg/200px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-B16002%2C_Nordafrika%2C_Truppenparade_in_Tripolis.jpg)
French Char B1
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/B1bis_saumur16.jpg/300px-B1bis_saumur16.jpg)
British Crusader
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/IWM-E-17616-Crusader-19421002.jpg/300px-IWM-E-17616-Crusader-19421002.jpg)
British Valentine (this one is in Russian service)
(http://www.btinternet.com/~ian.a.paterson/Equipment/Armour/ValentineMKII.jpg)
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Don't let you know who see this topic... :noid
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Which of the four Pershings that saw service in WW2 would you like?
"Time for a new American tank?" :rofl
Why it has been almost two weeks since the last American tank, hasn't it?
wrongway
thats the super pershing, only 4 super pershings saw action during the Battle of the Rhine.
the pershings saw action very late in the war, but they did see action, and they were in squadron (armored group) strength
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Don't let you know who see this topic... :noid
just about to say that........ :noid
no one mention the M-18, for your own good......
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its just a wish dont hate him for it :(
It's sort of a reflex action from Karnak everytime someone mentions American equipment.
He just can't help himself :D
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I posted a thread a while back about the Char B1, no one said much about it. I would love to see the Italian P-40 added to the game.
Speaking of the M-18 where is 321BAR? :noid
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thats the super pershing, only 4 super pershings saw action during the Battle of the Rhine.
the pershings saw action very late in the war, but they did see action, and they were in squadron (armored group) strength
There were one or two Super Pershings. 20 M-26s shipped to Europe saw combat.
Research :D
perk it like a Tiger.
Pershing in action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqH_WEqNK5Y)
Just the shooting, no sound, Higher quality (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NUYXrDYw9g&annotation_id=annotation_414964&feature=iv)
I recently read an interesting quote about Italian Tanks in Africa being worthless. More research.
wrongway
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Speaking of the Italian plane set we do need the RE2005.
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Speaking of the Italian plane set we do need the RE2005.
I'm pretty sure that the Re 2005 was the lowest ranked of the 5 series, with the G.55 being the highest and the MC.205 being 'in the middle'.... there's surely more important Italian aircraft than last-ditch 5 series aircraft.
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We have 2 US versions of the Sherman, 1 UK version of the Sherman, 2 versions of the T-34, 1 Panzer, and 1 Tiger... as much as I like American armor, I dont think we need any more right now. If anything, some light, early war tanks like:
Panzer III's
British Valentine
Japanese Type 95
etc...
...Would be nice to see.
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Echoing a few other sentiments here, the Pershing would be very close in game terms to a Tiger, so it wouldn't add much to the variety of GVs available. Light tanks, early war tanks, and German/Russian tank destroyers (i.e. the turretless kind) would add more variety and be preferable IMO.
And to the OP . . . it is T U R R E T . . . there is no "N" in turret. Thank you.
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Echoing a few other sentiments here, the Pershing would be very close in game terms to a Tiger, so it wouldn't add much to the variety of GVs available.
It would be green.
:devil
wrongway
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thats the super pershing, only 4 super pershings saw action during the Battle of the Rhine.
the pershings saw action very late in the war, but they did see action, and they were in squadron (armored group) strength
The regular M-26 Pershing saw action at the war's end in unit strength, however, at the time, only 2 Super Pershing prototypes were built and only one sent to the ETO. When the Super Pershing was first introduced to the ETO, it was assigned to an unknown company within the 3rd AD, where it saw its first combat engagement when it destroyed either an unknown German type tank/assault gun from over 1,500 yards during fighting along the Weser River.
This is from the book "Death Traps" by Belton Cooper (good book if your a US tank fan, though it is rather anti-Sherman) that describes the Super Pershing's first combat action.
"Some of the German units that had fallen back from the bridgehead set up a few isolated strong points along our route. One such position on a wooded hill ... opened fire as the column passed. The Super M26, in the forward part of the column, immediately swung its turret to the right and fired an armor-piercing shot toward an object on the forward slope of a wooded hill about fifteen hundred yards away [over three-quarters of a mile]. A blinding flash of sparks accompanied a tremendous explosion as debris shot fifty feet into the air ... The unknown object was a tank or self-propelled gun; had it been a half-track or other vehicle, the flash would not have been as large ... The rest of the column let go with a deluge of tank and automatic weapons fire, and the Germans soon broke off the action ... we didn't know what the Super M26 hit ... no one was anxious to go over and check it out."
Then for some reason, it was withdrawn from combat and then reassigned to the 33rd Regiment of the 3rd AD along with a new crew. This was the tank crew that encountered the King Tiger in Dessau and destroyed it.
Because the prototype Super Pershing was assigned to passed around to different units within the 3rd AD, this has caused some confusion by making it seem there was more than one Super Pershing in the theater.
Just imagine if we had the Super Pershing in game, one hit kill on any tank at both long and close ranges. Hell, even a standard Pershing could easily go head to head with a Tiger I with the very reasonable expectation of coming out on top.
ack-ack
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Its players like you who don't want any non-American stuff added until we have every last American unit added. "Time for a new American tank" mere weeks after two were just added. My ass.
:D :aok
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The regular M-26 Pershing saw action at the war's end in unit strength, however, at the time, only 2 Super Pershing prototypes were built and only one sent to the ETO. When the Super Pershing was first introduced to the ETO, it was assigned to an unknown company within the 3rd AD, where it saw its first combat engagement when it destroyed either an unknown German type tank/assault gun from over 1,500 yards during fighting along the Weser River.
This is from the book "Death Traps" by Belton Cooper (good book if your a US tank fan, though it is rather anti-Sherman) that describes the Super Pershing's first combat action.
Then for some reason, it was withdrawn from combat and then reassigned to the 33rd Regiment of the 3rd AD along with a new crew. This was the tank crew that encountered the King Tiger in Dessau and destroyed it.
Because the prototype Super Pershing was assigned to passed around to different units within the 3rd AD, this has caused some confusion by making it seem there was more than one Super Pershing in the theater.
Just imagine if we had the Super Pershing in game, one hit kill on any tank at both long and close ranges. Hell, even a standard Pershing could easily go head to head with a Tiger I with the very reasonable expectation of coming out on top.
ack-ack
my question is, why did America, as far as my knowledge, use shermans in Korea instead of Pershings?
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Pershings saw action in Korea.
USMC M-26 Pershings
(http://www.olive-drab.com/images/id_m26_korea_700.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Marines-tank-Korea-19530705.JPEG/300px-Marines-tank-Korea-19530705.JPEG)
ack-ack
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2nd pic is an M-46 Patton.
:D
wrongway
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2nd pic looks like a Pershing to me. The Patton had 3 of those upper bogies where the Pershing had 5.
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Since the topic is tanks what about the WWI Mk.IV british tank? 6mm of armor all around and going at a wheezing gagging coughing 3mph. Two six pounders and four m.g.s is hard to beat for base blowing firepower. Ya know for 1916. :pray :salute :old: :aok :noid
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2nd pic looks like a Pershing to me. The Patton had 3 of those upper bogies where the Pershing had 5.
The only visual difference between an M-26 Pershing and an M-46 Patton, as near as I can tell, is the exhaust and the Bore evacuator (http://Bore evacuator), there in the picture behind the muzzle brake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_brake).
Otherwise the differences seem to be engine, transmission and a bunch of stuff you can't see.
wrongway
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I posted a thread a while back about the Char B1, no one said much about it. I would love to see the Italian P-40 added to the game.
Speaking of the M-18 where is 321BAR? :noid
right here! :D
I actually saw one Saturday July 3rd in the Sturbridge parade area in Massachusetts after coming back from a friend's house in Southbridge. BEAUTIFUL piece of work.
jacking: anybody know anything about the Northeast Military Vehicle Services WWII Military Vehicle Experts company? They set up shop next door to the warehouse i deliver my papers out of and i havent been able to contact them. They have an M4, a Sheridan, an M3 Stuart, an M8 turretless, a small version of the M3 with 4 wheels. and a German chassis i cant figure out... They also had an M3 and a Kfz 251 before they were shipped out. Cool place to go to.
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I would love to see the Italian P-40 added to the game.
(http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/p40_ger.jpg)
(http://bp2.blogger.com/_CbwnjooteyI/SCsJ4btslZI/AAAAAAAAMJc/FUgCNG7XHHw/s400/33.jpg)
It would make a good mid-war medium tank addition that would be able to compete with the M4A3(75). Even though the P.40 never saw action with the Italians, the Germans did use some captured P.40s and later started producing them as the Panzerkampfwagen P40 737(i) and some were used in combat.
ack-ack
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The Mark V Panther would be a great addition....
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The Mark V Panther would be a great addition....
The Panther had an excellent suspension system which was way ahead of it's time. You could be in the turrent running full speed and oyu would see a jolt once in a while. Very steady, very accurate, very deadly. Gun was true up to about 3000 yds I believe.
(http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/p40_ger.jpg)
(http://bp2.blogger.com/_CbwnjooteyI/SCsJ4btslZI/AAAAAAAAMJc/FUgCNG7XHHw/s400/33.jpg)
It would make a good mid-war medium tank addition that would be able to compete with the M4A3(75). Even though the P.40 never saw action with the Italians, the Germans did use some captured P.40s and later started producing them as the Panzerkampfwagen P40 737(i) and some were used in combat.
Yes. I would also think it would help fill out gaps in the planesets used in FSO or what-have-you. I was also wanting to add the Type 97 Chi-Ni for Japanese-related FSO if there was ever a need for it.
I would also love to see the "first" (note it is in quotations for the M4/Sherman which some could argue is the first) British tank added, the Char B1.
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Um, the Char 1Bis is French :D
Well, it was until May 1940, then the Germans used them :aok
(http://70.86.163.186/gallery/images/b_5065_1.jpg)
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Um, the Char 1Bis is French :D
Well, it was until May 1940, then the Germans used them :aok
(http://70.86.163.186/gallery/images/b_5065_1.jpg)
Ohhh wow. Dear Lord I messed that one up. I read prophawk's post about a British tank and my mind focused on that. Wow, yeah I'm sorry. You're correct, it is French... for the most part. :lol
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Don't forget about the SOMUA S35, a French cavalry tank. This tank was said to be superior to the German tanks in 1940...
"The S 35s gave a good account of themselves, proving to be indeed superior to the German tanks in direct combat, but they were rather hesitantly deployed as the French High Command mistakenly supposed the gap was the German Schwerpunkt and tried to preserve their best tanks to block subsequent attacks by the rest of the Panzerwaffe."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somua_S35
The FCM 36 would also make an interesting Early War tank...
"The French tanks destroyed some lighter German armoured fighting vehicles, but their weak guns were insufficient to deal with the Panzerkampfwagen III, armoured with 30 mm plate, though the latter had likewise trouble in penetrating the FCM 36 armour, as the tungsten core APCR round was not yet made available. Both sides slugged it out, often engaging at the shortest possible distance. In the end the appliqué armour of the FCM 36 failed and the welds, being weaker points between the plates, were penetrated."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCM_36
Of course we don't have to worry about this sort of problem with our tanks. Remember, all of our equipment is "top of the line", so to speak.
7TP would be neat, a Polish tank...
"The combat experience proved that the Bofors wz. 37 anti-tank gun used in the 7TP was able to penetrate the armour of any of the German tanks of the time, including the modern Panzer IV. On the other hand, the tank was armoured too lightly, especially against aerial bombardment."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7TP
It was said to be superior to the Panzer I and II. Now, if we could get the Panzer I and II in here... :x
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i saw someone wanted a IJ tank if ur talking japenese....would u like to ride around the MA in a cardboard box and explode from 20mm strafing???
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While I love my shermans, the next GV's should definitely be something different then US Armor.
I nominate the Churchill Tank. Specifically the Mk. 4, 7 and 8.
Mk. 4:(1,622) The IV was the most numerous Churchill produced, and was virtually identical to the III, the largest change being a return to the less costly cast turret. (Mk. III weilded a 6 pounder (84 rounds))
Mk. 7:( 1,600 with VIII) The second major redesign from previous models, the VII used the 75 mm gun, was wider and had much more armour. It is sometimes called the Heavy Churchill. This version of the Churchill first saw service in the Battle of Normandy, and was re-designated A42 in 1945.
Mk. 8: A Churchill VII which replaced the main gun with a 95 mm howitzer (47 rounds).
Refitted previous versions. (Could be usefull for knocking down buildings and hangars. I suggest it just be a different package for the 7 though, instead of being an entirely different slot.)
The reason I nominate this series of tanks, is because the Brits really only have one tank to call their own, even though it is just a variant really. This would give the Brits 2 tanks, the Germans 2 tanks, the Russians 2 tanks, and the Americans 2 (not including the M8)
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I'm pretty sure that the Re 2005 was the lowest ranked of the 5 series, with the G.55 being the highest and the MC.205 being 'in the middle'.... there's surely more important Italian aircraft than last-ditch 5 series aircraft.
Actually no, the 2005 was ranked a close second to the G.55 in evaluations, with the C.205N (the one with an enlarged wing) coming in third.