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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: DEECONX on July 12, 2010, 05:47:18 PM
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So, I decided to go ahead make this its own thread. For the next GV...
I nominate the Churchill Tank. Specifically the Mk. 4, 7 and 8.
Mk. 4:(1,622) The IV was the most numerous Churchill produced, and was virtually identical to the III, the largest change being a return to the less costly cast turret. (Mk. III weilded a 6 pounder (84 rounds))
Mk. 7:( 1,600 with VIII) The second major redesign from previous models, the VII used the 75 mm gun, was wider and had much more armour. It is sometimes called the Heavy Churchill. This version of the Churchill first saw service in the Battle of Normandy, and was re-designated A42 in 1945.
Mk. 8: A Churchill VII which replaced the main gun with a 95 mm howitzer (47 rounds).
Refitted previous versions. (Could be usefull for knocking down buildings and hangars. I suggest it just be a different package for the 7 though, instead of being an entirely different slot.)
The reason I nominate this series of tanks, is because the Brits really only have one tank to call their own, even though it is just a variant really. This would give the Brits 2 tanks, the Germans 2 tanks, the Russians 2 tanks, and the Americans 2 (not including the M8)
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So, I decided to go ahead make this its own thread. For the next GV...
I nominate the Churchill Tank. Specifically the Mk. 4, 7 and 8.
Mk. 4:(1,622) The IV was the most numerous Churchill produced, and was virtually identical to the III, the largest change being a return to the less costly cast turret. (Mk. III weilded a 6 pounder (84 rounds))
Mk. 7:( 1,600 with VIII) The second major redesign from previous models, the VII used the 75 mm gun, was wider and had much more armour. It is sometimes called the Heavy Churchill. This version of the Churchill first saw service in the Battle of Normandy, and was re-designated A42 in 1945.
Mk. 8: A Churchill VII which replaced the main gun with a 95 mm howitzer (47 rounds).
Refitted previous versions. (Could be usefull for knocking down buildings and hangars. I suggest it just be a different package for the 7 though, instead of being an entirely different slot.)
The reason I nominate this series of tanks, is because the Brits really only have one tank to call their own, even though it is just a variant really. This would give the Brits 2 tanks, the Germans 2 tanks, the Russians 2 tanks, and the Americans 2 (not including the M8)
The Churchill is a painfully slow tank. If anyone thinks the 25mph gv's (M4's, Pzr Mk IV, Tiger, feet dry LVT, SdKfz 251, etc) take forever to get to their respective destinations, try going 15mph (or 12 in some Churchill variants). I applaud the idea, as I would love to tinker with it, but its success would be very limited due to its slow speed, lackluster AP gun (same 75mm M3 of the US M4A3 75mm Sherman), and average at best armor protection.
The ONLY exception would be if AH implemented the Churchill variant with the faster firing 57mm Q.F. 6 Pounder Mk.V L / 50 cannon with the available APDS Shot Mk.I ( Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot ). Then, it would have outstanding AP characteristics (only the Firefly and Tiger are superior in AH!!!), the only question would be how many rounds of that fast moving AP round would it get?
57mm Q.F. 6 Pounder Mk.V L / 50 w/ APDS Shot Mk.I
Weight Velocity 100 m 500 m 1000 m 1500 m 2000 m
1.42 kg 1219 m/s 142 mm 127 mm 110 mm 95 mm 83mm
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M-18 :noid
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The Churchill is a painfully slow tank. If anyone thinks the 25mph gv's (M4's, Pzr Mk IV, Tiger, feet dry LVT, SdKfz 251, etc) take forever to get to their respective destinations, try going 15mph (or 12 in some Churchill variants). I applaud the idea, as I would love to tinker with it, but its success would be very limited due to its slow speed, lackluster AP gun (same 75mm M3 of the US M4A3 75mm Sherman), and average at best armor protection.
The ONLY exception would be if AH implemented the Churchill variant with the faster firing 57mm Q.F. 6 Pounder Mk.V L / 50 cannon with the available APDS Shot Mk.I ( Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot ). Then, it would have outstanding AP characteristics (only the Firefly and Tiger are superior in AH!!!), the only question would be how many rounds of that fast moving AP round would it get?
57mm Q.F. 6 Pounder Mk.V L / 50 w/ APDS Shot Mk.I
Weight Velocity 100 m 500 m 1000 m 1500 m 2000 m
1.42 kg 1219 m/s 142 mm 127 mm 110 mm 95 mm 83mm
Churchill and LVT are about the same, just different loadouts
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M-18 :noid
zomg yea
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I want a truck, to tow some arty.
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I think the He-111, Betty, and Yak-3 would be great additions.
Ooops...this is a tank thread? Oh well.
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Don't forget the Japanese tanks.
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Don't forget the Japanese tanks.
Strictly for the sake of discussion, what role would light tanks play in the game? They would have to have some niche, like better in town performance, or be air mobile (with the Me 323).
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Strictly for the sake of discussion, what role would light tanks play in the game? They would have to have some niche, like better in town performance, or be air mobile (with the Me 323).
Similar to the M8 Greyhound. But with better crosscountry performance.
But, you have a good point.
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Churchill and LVT are about the same, just different loadouts
:huh
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Similar to the M8 Greyhound. But with better crosscountry performance.
But, you have a good point.
Unfortunately, "cross country" is immaterial at the moment, :( Other than dodging trees.
I wish roads had a purpose vs. cross country.
wrongway
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First off, +1 to this. Would love to see it, and the mk II for EW use (had a 2lb 40mm AT gun.)
Second, Thrash99, you are just about as wrong as you can get there. The LVT has a '75, and not much armor. The churchill would be much harder to stop (given it IS a bigger target).
I would also like to see the following:
M18
M12 (dead serious here. This would be the ULTIMATE town killer. And seeing as you can kill tanks with the 8", you should be able to do it with this. It would also be about as easy to kill as an M8, so no worries there)
KV-1
T-70
Hetzer (light perk, maybe. It would depend on how much the visibility and limited traverse would come into play)
Jagdpanther (heavily perked)
SdKfz 251/22
Marder II
M4A3E8 (a decent perk price, seeing as it had thicker armor than the tiger. But its gun was still about at par with the Panzer's)
Long list, but all would add to the game, and I would love to see them all added eventually.
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Second, Thrash99, you are just about as wrong as you can get there. The LVT has a '75, and not much armor. The churchill would be much harder to stop (given it IS a bigger target).
... and as odd as this sounds; the LVT-4 is FASTER on solid ground, too.
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Next gv........................ Shall be Japanese. :neener:
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i gotta give
+1 to the chuuchill
+1 to the m-18
+1 to the jagdpanther (as a little competition to the tiger)
and
+100000000 to the m-12
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zomg yea
even with the sarcasm you know you want it :lol
M-18 :noid
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Wow, this thread hasn't degraded into an argument over tactics between 321BAR and me. I would love to have Dr7 in here too.
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This would make a nice early war "heavy" German tank.
PzKpfw NbFz VI
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu306/adrianeade/neu_nor.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu306/adrianeade/neuv.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu306/adrianeade/neu_10.jpg)
Weight: 23000kg
Crew: 6 men
Engine: BMW Va / 12-cylinder / 290hp
Maybach HL 108 TR / 12-cylinder / 300hp
Speed: Road: 25-30km/h
Range: Road: 120km
Fuel Capacity: 457 liters
Lenght: 6.65m
Width: 2.90m
Height: 2.90m
Armament: 1 x 75mm KwK L/23.5 (L/24)
1 x 37mm KwK L/46.5 (L/45) (turret)
2 x 7.92mm MG13/34 (2 small turrets)
Ammo: 75mm - approx. 80 rounds
37mm - 50 rounds
7.92mm - 6000 rounds
Armor: 13-20mm
ack-ack
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Churchill and LVT are about the same, just different loadouts
The same could be said of these two :D And of course, the "cross country performance" :aok
DUKW
(http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Truckshow/Pics/slides/GMC%20DUKW.jpg)
2.5 ton Truck
(http://www.autogallery.org.ru/k/g/41cckw.jpg)
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towable arty!!! :rock
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we need the dukw its a little faster then the lvt in water, and much faster on land
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we need the dukw its a little faster then the lvt in water, and much faster on land
with extra explodability!!
:x
wrongway
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with extra explodability!!
:x
wrongway
ya lol, but the order is
M-18 hellcat
King Tiger
Panther
dukw
t-70
the supply truck, 2.5 tonne
KV-1
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nope. The order of importance is as follows:
M-18
Panther (5 ENY along with the tiger, for the weaker side armor, as opposed to moving the tiger to a 10 ENY)
Hetzer
DUKW
KV-1
T-70 (do we really need a MW/LW light tank? The panzer III ausf J would be better, minus the speed increase)
Koinstiger (Tiger I's ENY is at 5, so what the hell will this be? Compared to this, the Tiger I would be a 15 ENY Also, you'll need a Tiger I, Firefly, or another Koinstiger to kill it from the front.
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with extra explodability!!
:x
wrongway
From now on, I say we rate new GVs on "explodability" :D
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We need the Royal tiger like we need the B29: we do not!
There are HUNDREDS of other aircraft and gv's that should be, imo, added prior to those two over-hyped movie makers.
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NEMISIS and 100Goon are both wrong, because there are no Churchills on that list of tanks!!! :devil
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This would make a nice early war "heavy" German tank.
PzKpfw NbFz VI
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu306/adrianeade/neu_nor.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu306/adrianeade/neuv.jpg)
(http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu306/adrianeade/neu_10.jpg)
Weight: 23000kg
Crew: 6 men
Engine: BMW Va / 12-cylinder / 290hp
Maybach HL 108 TR / 12-cylinder / 300hp
Speed: Road: 25-30km/h
Range: Road: 120km
Fuel Capacity: 457 liters
Lenght: 6.65m
Width: 2.90m
Height: 2.90m
Armament: 1 x 75mm KwK L/23.5 (L/24)
1 x 37mm KwK L/46.5 (L/45) (turret)
2 x 7.92mm MG13/34 (2 small turrets)
Ammo: 75mm - approx. 80 rounds
37mm - 50 rounds
7.92mm - 6000 rounds
Armor: 13-20mm
ack-ack
5 built? I raise you the Russian T-35.
(http://www.underground3k.com/images/photoalbum/album_316/T35_russia_heavy_tank%20(9).jpg)
In service 1935–41
Produced 1933–38
Number built 61
Specifications
Weight 45 tonnes
Length 9.72 m
Width 3.20 m
Height 3.43 m
Crew 11
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Armor 11–30 mm
Primary armament 76.2 mm gun model 27/32
Secondary armament 2 × 45 mm guns, 5 or 6 × 7.62 mm machine guns
Engine 12-cyl. petrol Mikulin M-17M
500 hp (370 kW)
Power/weight 11 hp/tonne
Suspension Coil spring
Operational range 150 km
Speed 30 km/h
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NEMISIS and 100Goon are both wrong, because there are no Churchills on that list of tanks!!! :devil
churchill tank is tooo slow for me. thats why i drive the greyhound lol
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5 built? I raise you the Russian T-35.
But they saw combat!
ack-ack
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ya lol, but the order is
M-18 hellcat
King Tiger
Panther
dukw
t-70
the supply truck, 2.5 tonne
KV-1
nope. The order of importance is as follows:
M-18
Panther (5 ENY along with the tiger, for the weaker side armor, as opposed to moving the tiger to a 10 ENY)
Hetzer
DUKW
KV-1
T-70 (do we really need a MW/LW light tank? The panzer III ausf J would be better, minus the speed increase)
Koinstiger (Tiger I's ENY is at 5, so what the hell will this be? Compared to this, the Tiger I would be a 15 ENY Also, you'll need a Tiger I, Firefly, or another Koinstiger to kill it from the front.
everybody wants my M-18 FIRST!!! WOOPWOOPWOOP! :x
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I just noticed that 321 BAR is a P-400 driver, of sorts :)
Guy in front of a bunch of zeros = definition of the P-400 <export version of the P-39> is a P-40 with zeros on his 6
:D
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DEECONX, it was an absent minded mistake. I was just correcting 100goon's list, I wasn't saying that we don't need (well its more of a 'want', but still) the churchill.
And goon, are you really saying you would rather drive an M8 in the EW arena, rather than the churchill or the KV-1? They are the EW tigers.
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DEECONX, it was an absent minded mistake. I was just correcting 100goon's list, I wasn't saying that we don't need (well its more of a 'want', but still) the churchill.
And goon, are you really saying you would rather drive an M8 in the EW arena, rather than the churchill or the KV-1? They are the EW tigers.
yepper in LW i killed a tiger from an m8, took all my amo, straigh up his arse but after 80 shots he blewed up
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DEECONX, it was an absent minded mistake. I was just correcting 100goon's list, I wasn't saying that we don't need (well its more of a 'want', but still) the churchill.
And goon, are you really saying you would rather drive an M8 in the EW arena, rather than the churchill or the KV-1? They are the EW tigers.
The Churchill (any of the early variants) could hardly be considered an "EW Tiger". It just didn't have the firepower and unlike the KV-1, wasn't impervious to any tank mounted weapon then in service.
ack-ack
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I thought the Mk III was made in '41. Either way, it would still be dificult to kill. Wouldn't hit very hard, but you wouldn't really be able to hang back at 3200yds and kill it either.
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The Panther Aus G pretty please with cherries and cream on top. I wouldn't mind seeing the churchill or matilda either
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I thought the Mk III was made in '41. Either way, it would still be dificult to kill. Wouldn't hit very hard, but you wouldn't really be able to hang back at 3200yds and kill it either.
Nope, the Mk III was introduced in March of '42 and first saw action in the Second Battle of El Alamein in October of that year.
ack-ack
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yepper in LW i killed a tiger from an m8, took all my amo, straigh up his arse but after 80 shots he blewed up
You just think you killed him, actually he died of old age :D
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The Churchill (any of the early variants) could hardly be considered an "EW Tiger". It just didn't have the firepower and unlike the KV-1, wasn't impervious to any tank mounted weapon then in service.
ack-ack
Anyone have any idea what killed the Churchill's at Dieppe?
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Anyone have any idea what killed the Churchill's at Dieppe?
Weren't most of the ones that were able to actually land destroyed by anti-tank guns?
ack-ack
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I just noticed that 321 BAR is a P-400 driver, of sorts :)
Guy in front of a bunch of zeros = definition of the P-400 <export version of the P-39> is a P-40 with zeros on his 6
:D
:rofl you got me :D
( :lol you know thats sarcasm right?)
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But they saw combat!
ack-ack
In Norway. Barely counts since they surrendered so quickly.
:noid
:bolt:
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Weren't most of the ones that were able to actually land destroyed by anti-tank guns?
ack-ack
Not sure, I only ever see pictures of them abandoned on the beach....sigh. I guess it's time to
"do the research" :D
Apparently 27 of 29 made it off the LCA...then were mobility killed on the beach.
http://www.junobeach.org/e/2/can-eve-mob-die-e.htm#null (http://www.junobeach.org/e/2/can-eve-mob-die-e.htm#null)
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aww, 3 months too late for an EW churchill mk III :cry.
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In Norway. Barely counts since they surrendered so quickly.
:noid
:bolt:
One got knocked out but it was still combat because the gunner stubbed his toe and it aggraveted his in grown toe nail causing much discomfort.
ack-ack
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M3 75mm
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Mark V Panther. :aok
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X-249 Space Detonator! :rolleyes: :lol