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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: ozrocker on July 14, 2010, 07:43:13 AM
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Would be an awesome attack plane to have. I know we have B26's, but ....
<S> Oz
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http://www.gonzoville.com/games/4q-the-blood-pig/
:noid :rofl
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+ 10 on deh vader :x
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http://www.gonzoville.com/games/4q-the-blood-pig/
:noid :rofl
" All guns opened up and the A’s dropped like turds out the back of a galloping horse."
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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+1 on A26.
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+1 on the A26 after alot of other things...
M-18 :noid
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+1
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big +1 :cheers:
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The workings are there somewhere. Was my favorite ride in AW.
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++1 :aok
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+1, I love that plane.
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Yes we need it. And who cares if we have the B-26 its not the same plane. OOOH 18 50 cal's and after she is light it will turn inside a 109! :x
Would make a great light perk bomber.
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+1 on this
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Yes we need it. And who cares if we have the B-26 its not the same plane. OOOH 18 50 cal's and after she is light it will turn inside a 109! :x
Would make a great light perk bomber.
It has high wing loading, even empty. It won't turn inside much of anything. Well, it would turn inside a B-29.
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OOOH 18 50 cal's and after she is light it will turn inside a 109! :x
Would make a great light perk bomber.
If you read the below section, it's taken from the A-26 flight manual. As you can see, it will not out turn a Bf 109.
The following maneuvers are restricted:
A) All aerobatics
Looping, spins, rolls and violent stalls are prohibited. The airplane has a wingloading of 60 lbs. per square foot normally loaded with flaps up. It was not designed for air circus maneuvers or student aerobatic training.
B) Vertical banks
Remember the A-26 has a high wingloading, and your stalling speed increases with your rate of bank. For example, at 32,000 lbs. gross in a 60 degree bank with the airplane clean and power off, your airplane stalls at 192 mph (42% higher in a 60 degree bank than in level flight).
All these maneuvers are prohibited chiefly because of the high wingloading of the airplane. Take the airplane's designers and your instructors word for it. Don't experiment.
If you have evidence that can confirm without a doubt that an A-26 can out turn a Bf 109, please post it.
The workings are there somewhere. Was my favorite ride in AW.
People that fondly remember the Invader from AW I think will be in for a rather big surprise if the Invader is ever added to the plane set. What made the Invader so good in AW was not the plane itself but the rather grossly inaccurate AW flight model that allowed the plane to perform far better than it was able to in real life.
ack-ack
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People that fondly remember the Invader from AW I think will be in for a rather big surprise if the Invader is ever added to the plane set. What made the Invader so good in AW was not the plane itself but the rather grossly inaccurate AW flight model that allowed the plane to perform far better than it was able to in real life.
ack-ack
Unlike the accurately modeled 110 in ah which was not allowed to go to England towards the end of the war due to the easiness at which the spitfires and hurricanes would bring it down.
semp
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+1
it's a yay from me :)
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I seem to recall an A26 running in the unlimited gold heats at Reno. I could be wrong, but for some reason that comes to mind. If AW ran an inaccurate flight model, then maybe it is all tearful nostalgia.
If we objectively look at staying power, the A26 is the bomber that outlived em' all. I am also pretty sure that aside from the B-52 there have been no other three war bombers. On service life alone we might want to look at honoring the plane and it's designers by having it as part of our plane set.
Think of it in terms of the Spit 1 though Spit 16, Pony B Pony D, the Invader was the evolution of the Havoc. Climbs just a bit better, lifts a heavier load, and is faster.
Dirtdart (currently flying as Crusader until I get bored with that name)
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+1
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It has high wing loading, even empty. It won't turn inside much of anything. Well, it would turn inside a B-29.
your dead worng its fast turns insides all 109(besides the 109 F4)
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+1
Of course, if an A-26 jumps a ME-109, the 109 pilot needs to get out fo the way ... fast. :uhoh
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your dead worng its fast turns insides all 109(besides the 109 F4)
If you have any sources, please quote them!
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your dead worng its fast turns insides all 109(besides the 109 F4)
Wing loading says otherwise.
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your dead worng its fast turns insides all 109(besides the 109 F4)
Evidence proves you to be dead wrong. If you have anything concrete and verifiable evidence the A-26 out turned any Bf 109 with the exception of the F variant, please post it.
Since you obviously missed it the first time, here is the section from the Invader's pilot's manual about prohibited maneuvers.
A) All aerobatics
Looping, spins, rolls and violent stalls are prohibited. The airplane has a wingloading of 60 lbs. per square foot normally loaded with flaps up. It was not designed for air circus maneuvers or student aerobatic training.
B) Vertical banks
Remember the A-26 has a high wingloading, and your stalling speed increases with your rate of bank. For example, at 32,000 lbs. gross in a 60 degree bank with the airplane clean and power off, your airplane stalls at 192 mph (42% higher in a 60 degree bank than in level flight).
All these maneuvers are prohibited chiefly because of the high wingloading of the airplane. Take the airplane's designers and your instructors word for it. Don't experiment.
when can we expect to see your sources?
ack-ack
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I want the tanker version so I can put fires out :P
In seriousness it's a plane I'd like to fly some day.
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(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/Pagge1.jpg)
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Evidence proves you to be dead wrong. If you have anything concrete and verifiable evidence the A-26 out turned any Bf 109 with the exception of the F variant, please post it.
Since you obviously missed it the first time, here is the section from the Invader's pilot's manual about prohibited maneuvers.
when can we expect to see your sources?
ack-ack
Just out of interest, do you have any data on its stall speeds when lighter than 32,000lbs? I was looking at its weight, and 32K lbs seems very close to the max. take-off weight. I have one of those big aeroplane encyclopaedias, and it says (or at least has a quote from an A-26 pilot saying) that a light A-26 could (or at least did) outturn a 109.
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The way I think I remember hearing it was like, the propeller pushes air currents around and about the airframe in a clockwise direction.The airstream strikes the left side of the stabilizer and rudder, yawning the nose of the airplane to the left!. A left turning tendency results from the fact that the descending propeller blade takes a bigger bite out of the air than does the ascending blade, which is on the left. Pilots used this phenomenon to there advantage in a dogfight which allowed them to out turn a 109.
DONT QUOTE ME ON THAT! But, like I said, I think that's the way I heard it somewhere.... :bolt:
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Quick and dirty numbers:
A-26:
Empty: 42.3lbs/sq.ft
Loaded: 51.1lbs/sq.ft
Overloaded: 64.8lbs/sq.ft
Bf109G-6:
Empty: 34.0lbs/sq.ft
Loaded: 40.0lbs/sq.ft
Overloaded: 43.2lbs/sq.ft
Bf110C-4:
Empty: 24lbs/sq.ft
Loaded: 35.7lbs/sq.ft
Bf110G-2:
Loaded: 41.4lbs/sq.ft
Me410A-1:
Empty: 37.4lbs/sq.ft
Overloaded: 63.5lbs/sq.ft
Mosquito Mk VI:
Empty: 31lbs/sq.ft
Loaded: 41.9lbs/sq.ft
Overloaded: 48.5lbs/sq.ft
P-38L:
Empty: 39.1lbs/sq.ft
Loaded: 53.4lbs/sq.ft
Overloaded: 66lbs/sq.ft
Doesn't look like the A-26 would be out turning much.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVQuH6L2IOI&feature=related
This video gives mention to the A-26's maneaverability. But, as Ack-Ack has given examples of TV shows being wrong, take this as you will.
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a26 1/4 to 1/2 against a fully loaded fighter. we'll see how it goes.
semp
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18 M2s.... sounds like an airborne calliope. I am down.
Wing loading is a aspect of maneuver potential. Aerodynamic cleverness on the part of the designer is another. A Pilatus Porter could probably turn inside of a Cessna 152 (ack-ack don't as me for a citation dammit...lol this is an illustration) just as a decent HOG pilot can get inside of some 109s.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVQuH6L2IOI&feature=related
This video gives mention to the A-26's maneaverability. But, as Ack-Ack has given examples of TV shows being wrong, take this as you will.
There is no question about the A-26's maneuverability, from all reports from the squadrons that flew them in the ETO, it was a pilot's plane with very response controls and maneuverable for an attack plane. Its main tactic when encountering enemy fighters was to get away, not try and dogfight.
It's a good attack plane, probably the best that saw service during the war but able to maneuver with and out turn a Bf 109? Don't think so.
ack-ack
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Unlike the accurately modeled 110 in ah which was not allowed to go to England towards the end of the war due to the easiness at which the spitfires and hurricanes would bring it down.
:huh :headscratch:
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Unlike the accurately modeled 110 in ah which was not allowed to go to England towards the end of the war due to the easiness at which the spitfires and hurricanes would bring it down.
semp
You mean the 110 that primarily used the HO as an offensive tactic in WW2, just like in AH2?
:huh :confused:
wrongway
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Heya Ack Ack,
Yesterday on the military channel they were showing the A-26 on "Greatest Planes" show
the Narrator and I guess an A-26 pilot back in Korea/Vietnam era both said on the show that the A-26 after she had dropped her load, could turn inside/turn with... the 109E4, 109F4 and 109G2
no footage was shown, no comparisons of the A-26 verses the 109's were shown... it was just all word of mouth stuff.....
for what it's worth.....
I figured that is what sparked this thread , since the A-26 episode "aired" yesterday .......
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Heya Ack Ack,
Yesterday on the military channel they were showing the A-26 on "Greatest Planes" show
the Narrator and I guess an A-26 pilot back in Korea/Vietnam era both said on the show that the A-26 after she had dropped her load, could turn inside/turn with... the 109E4, 109F4 and 109G2
no footage was shown, no comparisons of the A-26 verses the 109's were shown... it was just all word of mouth stuff.....
for what it's worth.....
I figured that is what sparked this thread , since the A-26 episode "aired" yesterday .......
I vaguely recall seeing that one, long ago, and, IIRC, more than one thing they anecdotaly related seemed pretty hinkey to me. Of course, I can't remember what they were and I don't get a chance to watch t.v. very often. It jsut struck me as a "really?" moment.
:confused:
wrongway
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Heya Ack Ack,
Yesterday on the military channel they were showing the A-26 on "Greatest Planes" show
the Narrator and I guess an A-26 pilot back in Korea/Vietnam era both said on the show that the A-26 after she had dropped her load, could turn inside/turn with... the 109E4, 109F4 and 109G2
no footage was shown, no comparisons of the A-26 verses the 109's were shown... it was just all word of mouth stuff.....
for what it's worth.....
I figured that is what sparked this thread , since the A-26 episode "aired" yesterday .......
Yeah, I've seen that episode a few times and it's probably where the myth that it could out turn a Bf109 came from. I'm sure it was probably meant to over exaggerate its maneuverability and after being repeated many times it eventually worked its way into "fact".
The Invader is credited with 6 air to air kills and one probable but if I recall correctly, the lion's share of the air to air kills came from night interdiction missions that the Invader sometimes flew. There is currently a restored A-26, Lady Luck (A-26B-20-DL, 41-39230) where you can still see the repair patches on the tail from a night interdiction when it tangled with a Luftwaffe night fighter. There is supposedly an Invader that was credited with the probable kill on a ME 262 that is supposedly caught either taking off or about to land.
ack-ack
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6 A2A kills in almost 40yrs service? ...
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I know.... 6 kills is very low. I personally have killed 109K4s, P-51Ds at least a couple dozen each in AWIII. :neener:
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wonder how many the A20 got overall. does ok in AH ;)
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Holmes the only thing missing now is a Lusche chart....
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6 A2A kills in almost 40yrs service? ...
6 confirmed air to air with one probable during its WW2 service in the ETO.
ack-ack
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How many kills has the us navy has had since Vietnam? A26 was not used as a fighter really and in the attack it was mostly hit and run. Think of it as u guys that fly to run err not die :)
Semp
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Heya Ack Ack,
Yesterday on the military channel they were showing the A-26 on "Greatest Planes" show
the Narrator and I guess an A-26 pilot back in Korea/Vietnam era both said on the show that the A-26 after she had dropped her load, could turn inside/turn with... the 109E4, 109F4 and 109G2
no footage was shown, no comparisons of the A-26 verses the 109's were shown... it was just all word of mouth stuff.....
for what it's worth.....
I figured that is what sparked this thread , since the A-26 episode "aired" yesterday .......
That what my link was of...
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6 confirmed air to air with one probable during its WW2 service in the ETO.
ack-ack
This is what most bothers me about the constant A-26 requests. Most people want to use it as a heavy fighter and ask for it on that expectation.
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This is what most bothers me about the constant A-26 requests. Most people want to use it as a heavy fighter and ask for it on that expectation.
why would that bother you ? after all,every fighter in the game should be able to own it :joystick:
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just like the A20 right? ;)
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just like the A20 right? ;)
What fighter is out classed by the A-20? Equal pilots, the A-20 will lose every time to the one in the fighter.
ack-ack
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err ... the reply was to cobia (who flys the A20 once in a while I understand and does ok in it*), the ;) implies that the preceeding text was ironic/knowing.
keep up :rolleyes:
* thats understatement for comic effect btw.
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What fighter is out classed by the A-20? Equal pilots, the A-20 will lose every time to the one in the fighter.
ack-ack
not true, it out classes some fighters in speed,others in a turn and some in a zoom climb
it jut depends on if you can sucker them to fight in their "weak area"
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Heya Ack Ack,
Yesterday on the military channel they were showing the A-26 on "Greatest Planes" show
the Narrator and I guess an A-26 pilot back in Korea/Vietnam era both said on the show that the A-26 after she had dropped her load, could turn inside/turn with... the 109E4, 109F4 and 109G2
no footage was shown, no comparisons of the A-26 verses the 109's were shown... it was just all word of mouth stuff.....
for what it's worth.....
I figured that is what sparked this thread , since the A-26 episode "aired" yesterday .......
Purely a coincidence. Notice time of post. Just an awesome attack plane that I think would be an asset to the game. Low-level bombing, this thing was a terror.
<S> Oz
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Not sure what difference the role a plane is flown makes in AH. Folks are going to do what they want to.
I can readily believe that Douglas did not design or envision the A-20 doing what Cobia does with it in here,
so what...he makes it work for him, all that counts.
Of course it's American, so heaven forbid we don't get a kneejerk reaction from the Luftweenie Uber Alles
crowd :D
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Not sure what difference the role a plane is flown makes in AH. Folks are going to do what they want to.
I can readily believe that Douglas did not design or envision the A-20 doing what Cobia does with it in here,
so what...he makes it work for him, all that counts.
Much of how it is flown here was expressly forbidden due to supposed structural limitations.
Of course it's American, so heaven forbid we don't get a kneejerk reaction from the Luftweenie Uber Alles
crowd :D
A greater diversity make the game more interesting. Having almost everything that one nation fielded while only a small fraction of another nation just doesn't feel right. Sadly, it is hard for HTC to get data for Russian and Japanese aircraft.
Japan, in particular, fielded almost as wide a variety of aircraft as the United States did, yet the respective plane lists are very different in size.
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+1 to the Vader
Luke....
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm134/waystin2/whosyourdaddyvader.jpg)
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not true, it out classes some fighters in speed,others in a turn and some in a zoom climb
it jut depends on if you can sucker them to fight in their "weak area"
which is very easy to do to many pilots in the game.
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Unlike the accurately modeled 110 in ah which was not allowed to go to England towards the end of the war due to the easiness at which the spitfires and hurricanes would bring it down.
semp
Spitfires and Hurricanes still bring it down easily.
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I'd love to have the A26 available. Not as a heavy fighter so much, but as a a late war attack plane. Now don't get me wrong, I don't mind dogfighting with an A20, and for those that know how to fight with it, it does well. But I don't go out with it like Cobia just to fight with it, not that I have a problem with that either. Just not my thing, albeit I can hold my own in it quite well as I'm sure Cobia or Snaphook can attest. What I do find lacking is the A20's speed in the late arenas, this is where I think the A26 would be great. I tend to go in low, pop up over target kill what I'm looking for (or at least try), and when ordnance is expending run low for home. So the A26's extra speed would be beneficial. The A20 is just a bit too easy to run down in late war. I don't think the A26 in late war would be much different then the A20's impact on midwar. Do I think there are other planes needed before this, of course. Would it be a great plane for me personally, yes. So I give it a +1, but after some others.
:salute
BigRat
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me and my squadies did an a20g raid last night to bust up the knits fh hangars we where heavy on ord so very slow and easy to kill I like the a20s but I think the a26 would be a good addition as for us on that run..........well lets just say it wasn't the best choice :angel: :angel: :angel: <S> Doc72 and WMlute for killin me
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In AW the Vader flew like a poni with a second engine on 25% fuel with more guns blazing than Dodge City on a Saturday night. Oh, yeah, add bombs and it was it's own airforce.
The P38 was a Tie fighter and outclassed everything. Then the Me110 was introduced and for awhile outlooped and out turned the spit9. The Vader just about did as long as I remembered. The Dora was introduced and flew faster than everything but the 262 for awhile and looped and turned WITH the spit9 and outclimbed it on wep. Then Leviathins favorite, Oh, back then, he was a punk college kid named "deadf", the La5. It was faster than the spit9, out climbed it and turned with it. The N1K2 was added and it out turned the spit9, out climbed everything but the P38 on wep, and had four cannons to spray with. 999000 still killed them all with his B17...... :angel:
So which A26 Invader are these SIM fans begging for ACK-ACK?
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In AW the Vader flew like a poni with a second engine on 25% fuel with more guns blazing than Dodge City on a Saturday night. Oh, yeah, add bombs and it was it's own airforce.
The P38 was a Tie fighter and outclassed everything. Then the Me110 was introduced and for awhile outlooped and out turned the spit9. The Vader just about did as long as I remembered. The Dora was introduced and flew faster than everything but the 262 for awhile and looped and turned WITH the spit9 and outclimbed it on wep. Then Leviathins favorite, Oh, back then, he was a punk college kid named "deadf", the La5. It was faster than the spit9, out climbed it and turned with it. The N1K2 was added and it out turned the spit9, out climbed everything but the P38 on wep, and had four cannons to spray with. 999000 still killed them all with his B17...... :angel:
So which A26 Invader are these SIM fans begging for ACK-ACK?
The one from the SIM where the B-17 was able to out turn any fighter in the game and the P-38J could out flat turn a Spit 9 on the deck.
ack-ack
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The one from the SIM where the B-17 was able to out turn any fighter in the game and the P-38J could out flat turn a Spit 9 on the deck.
ack-ack
Yeah, I remember that one, 1989 or so. Wasen't it called "Air Weirdos" or "Aero Weirds" or "Air Wallabes" or something like that... ;)....Loved those bright red dot tracers though. Was it 2 or 3 colors of tracers to choose from? It actually had a Lead Computing gun sight and rear view mirrors that I always got backwards when I hat switched to it. And those red cones that flickered on the end of the 262 engine pods. Half the time you joined as a buff gunner you got booted from the game......Yeah that one.
Had a 38 pilot show me a gamey trick to beat the 38 with the spit9 in a flat turn fight. Start pumping the nose up and down in a slow sine wave and in about two circle revolutions your spit is on the 38's six. It worked up to AW3. Tried that in AH1 when I first started flying and got the dreded don't move your controls too fast message...... :)
The Vader I remember from AW would have to be perked right up there with the 262 in Aces High. Sorta like replacing the P51-D with the Martin Baker MB 5.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin-Baker_MB_5
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well if it doesn't turn as well as in AW we Can always use it to ho everthing in AH. The a26 had the most guns of amything else and it would make an awesome town buster. Btw akak do you know that you are against almost anything that is asked to be added/changed in the game?
Semp
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Btw akak do you know that you are against almost anything that is asked to be added/changed in the game?
Semp
No, you're wrong. I have never been against adding the A-26, I would like to eventually see it in the game but it rightly shouldn't be a high priority when there are so many gaps in the existing plane set. Also, there are dozens of planes in our current plane set that have yet to be brought up to AH2 standards.
I am against wishes that are born out of ignorance or a squeaker's desire just to get some uber plane or ground vehicle to help make up for their lack of skill.
ack-ack
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So has anyone yet asked the "unintended consiqunces" list of questions for all of the bright shiny new toy I gotta have it assertions with no admission to why you WANT this new toy?
Lets see....
A20 - 4klbs bombs internal external, 6 .50 cal nose, 330+- top speed.
B26 - 4-6klbs bombs internal, 4 .50cal fixed forward, 287+- top speed.
A26B - 4-6klbs internal and 2klbs external, +-8 .50cal forward firing with 8 additional in wing pods, 355 +- top speed. A26C Glass Nose - 370+- top speed.
C-models were fitted with more powerful engines in the form of 2 x Pratt & Whitney R-2800 engines of 2,000 horsepower each with water injection. Wings were also strengthened to mount up to 14 x 5" rockets or 2,000lbs of bombs. The wings were slightly altered to accommodate 6 x 12.7mm wing-mounted machine guns to make up for the lack of punch caused by the removal of the nose-mounted armament common to the B-models. 1,091 A-26C models were delivered.
The Douglas Invader's lethality was furthermore accented by the option of carrying between 4,000 and 8,000lbs of internal and external ordnance in the form of drop bombs or 8 to 14 x 5" rockets (the latter held externally on eight or fourteen underwing pylons - the full 16 rocket deployment was achievable in lieu of the drop tanks and wing mounted bombs). In fact, Invaders were known to be able to carry greater bombloads than that as found on the larger Boeing B-17 Flying Fortresses. Endurance could be extended with the addition of 165-gallon underwing drop tanks, increasing the aircraft's range by up to 300 miles. C-model Invaders with the glassed-in nose were fitted with 2 x 12.7mm machine guns in the nose along with the 2 x 12.7mm gun systems in each turret but forward firepower was augmented with the addition of the 6 x wing-mounted machine guns.
Welcome to the AH ultimate CV killing Lancstuka B or C Model. Not to mention it will become the spit16 of the AH bomber world.
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the idea is to have another perk ride to spend our bomber points on, other then the 234
so perk it at say 200
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So has anyone yet asked the "unintended consiqunces" list of questions for all of the bright shiny new toy I gotta have it assertions with no admission to why you WANT this new toy?
Lets see....
A20 - 4klbs bombs internal external, 6 .50 cal nose, 330+- top speed.
B26 - 4-6klbs bombs internal, 4 .50cal fixed forward, 287+- top speed.
A26B - 4-6klbs internal and 2klbs external, +-8 .50cal forward firing with 8 additional in wing pods, 355 +- top speed. A26C Glass Nose - 370+- top speed.
C-models were fitted with more powerful engines in the form of 2 x Pratt & Whitney R-2800 engines of 2,000 horsepower each with water injection. Wings were also strengthened to mount up to 14 x 5" rockets or 2,000lbs of bombs. The wings were slightly altered to accommodate 6 x 12.7mm wing-mounted machine guns to make up for the lack of punch caused by the removal of the nose-mounted armament common to the B-models. 1,091 A-26C models were delivered.
The Douglas Invader's lethality was furthermore accented by the option of carrying between 4,000 and 8,000lbs of internal and external ordnance in the form of drop bombs or 8 to 14 x 5" rockets (the latter held externally on eight or fourteen underwing pylons - the full 16 rocket deployment was achievable in lieu of the drop tanks and wing mounted bombs). In fact, Invaders were known to be able to carry greater bombloads than that as found on the larger Boeing B-17 Flying Fortresses. Endurance could be extended with the addition of 165-gallon underwing drop tanks, increasing the aircraft's range by up to 300 miles. C-model Invaders with the glassed-in nose were fitted with 2 x 12.7mm machine guns in the nose along with the 2 x 12.7mm gun systems in each turret but forward firepower was augmented with the addition of the 6 x wing-mounted machine guns.
Welcome to the AH ultimate CV killing Lancstuka B or C Model. Not to mention it will become the spit16 of the AH bomber world.
More like spit 14 cause it would have to be perked.
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Wonder how the AH prototype has turned out in HiTech's sandbox?
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No, you're wrong. I have never been against adding the A-26, I would like to eventually see it in the game but it rightly shouldn't be a high priority when there are so many gaps in the existing plane set. Also, there are dozens of planes in our current plane set that have yet to be brought up to AH2 standards.
I am against wishes that are born out of ignorance or a squeaker's desire just to get some uber plane or ground vehicle to help make up for their lack of skill.
ack-ack
Which planes are not up to AH standards? If they are not then they should be removed.
As for wishes born out of ignorance, well we are not as educated as you are. But, that's why its called a wish. As in I wish it would be added because it would see more use than any of the other airplanes that people want to add so they sit pretty in the hangar. :airplane: and :bolt:.
semp
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Which planes are not up to AH standards? If they are not then they should be removed.
I think he means a lot of the planes in the game now haven't been updated to have the latest graphics.
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I am against wishes that are born out of ignorance or a squeaker's desire just to get some uber plane or ground vehicle to help make up for their lack of skill.
ack-ack
That's taken care of. We already have the Wirblewind and the Spit XVI.
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That's taken care of. We already have the Wirblewind and the Spit XVI.
The Spitfire LF.Mk IX (Spifire Mk XVI in AH2) was the most produced version of the Spitfire other than the Spitfire Mk Vc. It played a major role in WWII. Care to revise your thoughts?
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The Spitfire LF.Mk IX (Spifire Mk XVI in AH2) was the most produced version of the Spitfire other than the Spitfire Mk Vc. It played a major role in WWII. Care to revise your thoughts?
AH2's Spit XVI is easy mode no matter what my thoughts pertaining to it are. Doesn't matter if they made just one or a million and one.
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AH2's Spit XVI is easy mode no matter what my thoughts pertaining to it are. Doesn't matter if they made just one or a million and one.
The Spitfire in real life had the same reputation as being easy and forgiving to fly, a real fighter pilot's dream. Why should it be different in game? Also, the Spitfire Mk XVI in game isn't any different in regards to ease of flying than any of the other Spitfires. Before the Spitfire Mk XVI, people were whining about the Spitfire Mk V and Seafire.
ack-ack
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No, you're wrong. I have never been against adding the A-26, I would like to eventually see it in the game but it rightly shouldn't be a high priority when there are so many gaps in the existing plane set. Also, there are dozens of planes in our current plane set that have yet to be brought up to AH2 standards.
I am against wishes that are born out of ignorance or a squeaker's desire just to get some uber plane or ground vehicle to help make up for their lack of skill.
ack-ack
Gaps AND skill in one post!!
Folks, I thinkz we gotz a winna!! :rofl :rofl
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Wing loading says otherwise.
a A26 is like a A20 turn good for its size
yes it will turn inside a 109
if a lanc can turn with C205 than why cant a A26 turn inside a 109 a lanc has higher wing loading than a A26 for sure so yes a A26 can trun inseide a 109 if in a RIGHT turn(109s turn better to the left than the right)
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yes it will turn inside a 109
Proof? You keep saying it will but you've failed to prove that it can while we've posted data from the pilot's manual that clearly says it can't.
if a lanc can turn with C205 than why cant a A26 turn inside a 109 a lanc has higher wing loading than a A26 for sure so yes a A26 can trun inseide a 109 if in a RIGHT turn(109s turn better to the left than the right)
A Lancaster cannot out turn a C.205, in game or in real life.
ack-ack
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A Lancaster has much lower wing loading than an A-26 as well.
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me and a squadie had a 106 running scared for his life. At low speed buffs will outurn lots of planes in the short run. Of course if fighter goew up then its a different story.
Semp
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+1 The A-26 is a great aircraft. :aok
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Might be flying in a A26, and flying it too. :rock
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Proof? You keep saying it will but you've failed to prove that it can while we've posted data from the pilot's manual that clearly says it can't.
A Lancaster cannot out turn a C.205, in game or in real life.
ack-ack
look it up i dont know how to post web sites on here and yes i have out turned a C205 in a lanc :P
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look it up i dont know how to post web sites on here and yes i have out turned a C205 in a lanc :P
All you need to do is paste the link into your post. I would but I have yet to find any credible sources or documents that state an A-26 can out turn a Bf 109 of any type.
As for you out turning a C.205 in a Lancaster, well, you just ran across probably one of the worst C.205 flyers in the game. On a side note, I regularly out turn Zekes in a P-38 but that's in game and reality it would be an entirely different outcome.
ack-ack
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I had one of the best 109 flyers outurned with my B26 last week over the port. Only reason he lived was we had no ammo. Buffs can be used as fighter in ah just like in aw, but they are seldom used this way.
Semp
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A-26 OF FURY!!!!!!!
Yup, yup
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Which A-26 are you asking for?
A-26B - Attack Bomber Variant; two blocks produced with 6 and 8 x 12.7mm machine guns in solid nose.
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A-26C - Attack Bomber Variant with glassed-in nose for bombardier; 2 x 12.7mm machine guns in nose position.
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The one with a zillion mg/cannons in the nose/pod with the orda/firepower one could kill 1/2 the town.
Semp
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The one with a zillion mg/cannons in the nose/pod with the orda/firepower one could kill 1/2 the town.
Semp
I do not think it was ever armed with cannons, just the 6 or 8 x 12.7mm
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I do not think it was ever armed with cannons, just the 6 or 8 x 12.7mm
It was designed with a modular nose that could be equipped with a variety and mix of cannons and machine guns.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img691/8338/image1wa.jpg)
Combinations included a mix of .50 cal. mg plus 37mm or 75mm cannon, 2 37mm cannon, 1 37mm cannon and 1 75mm cannon, or all .50 cal. mgs.
The only combinations produced that saw combat were six or eight .50 cal. mg and 2 .50 cal. with the glass nose. Two aircraft were produced with the 75mm cannon for evaluation but never left the States.
wrongway
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It was designed with a modular nose that could be equipped with a variety and mix of cannons and machine guns.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img691/8338/image1wa.jpg)
Combinations included a mix of .50 cal. mg plus 37mm or 75mm cannon, 2 37mm cannon, 1 37mm cannon and 1 75mm cannon, or all .50 cal. mgs.
The only combinations produced that saw combat were six or eight .50 cal. mg and 2 .50 cal. with the glass nose. Two aircraft were produced with the 75mm cannon for evaluation but never left the States.
wrongway
Just like a lot of other AC, looking to add bigger gun packet age but never put into service.
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found this in a website.
Armament
The A-26B Invader shined when it came to its armament loadout. More noticeable was the battery of 6 x 12.7mm (.50 caliber) heavy machine guns (early block A-26B models ) all allocated in the nose housing. Later block B-26Bs featured a total of 8 x 12.7mm nose-mounted machine guns. This assembly allowed the Invader to make devastating strafing sweeps on enemy ground targets with usually destructive results, combining the concentrated power of six to eight heavy caliber machine guns into one focal burst of hot lead. In addition to the nose armament, two 12.7mm machine guns were held in a dorsal barbette while another two were featured in a ventral barbette. The ventral barbette was sometimes removed in favor of an additional fuel cell. Invaders could also sport 8 x underwing gun pods and 6 x 12.7mm machine guns mounted in each wing leading edge (three guns to a side) along with blister mounts on the fuselage sides - all concentrated in a forward-firing position. With a single burst of the all machine guns, the entire aircraft would buffet violently rearward, a consideration for the crew to keep in mind in terms of their own safety. In total, a given A-26 could sport as many as 22 x 12.7mm machine guns with up to 6,000 rounds of ammunition.
The Douglas Invader's lethality was furthermore accented by the option of carrying between 4,000 and 8,000lbs of internal and external ordnance in the form of drop bombs or 8 to 14 x 5" rockets (the latter held externally on eight or fourteen underwing pylons - the full 16 rocket deployment was achievable in lieu of the drop tanks and wing mounted bombs). In fact, Invaders were known to be able to carry greater bombloads than that as found on the larger Boeing B-17 Flying Fortresses. Endurance could be extended with the addition of 165-gallon underwing drop tanks, increasing the aircraft's range by up to 300 miles. C-model Invaders with the glassed-in nose were fitted with 2 x 12.7mm machine guns in the nose along with the 2 x 12.7mm gun systems in each turret but forward firepower was augmented with the addition of the 6 x wing-mounted machine guns.
semp
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+1 on A26.
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+1 on A26.
Agreed.
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Purely a coincidence. Notice time of post. Just an awesome attack plane that I think would be an asset to the game. Low-level bombing, this thing was a terror.
<S> Oz
am sure it was Oz, my "spark this thread" comment was not necessarily directed at your OP, it was meant for another post someone made..... my apologies for the way I worded it....
the A-26 would be neat to have in aces high, but I would like to see a few other new planes added first. the Oscar, the D.520 , the Beaufighter, to name a few........ heck even the older F6f-3 variant ( this one should be easy since we already have the F6f-5, just some cosmetic changes of the skin and some coading changes of the performace data..... )
<S> TC
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No Biggie. IMO I think that the good people at AH will include it sooner than later.
<S> Oz