By the way, the plane in the picture above is White 113, from VT-82 off the USS Benington (CV-20) in 1945. He was hit by flak (losing a lot of the wing and 5 ft off the top of the aft fuselage) and was able to keep flying and make a water landing.
yeah but was he still flying at full speed like it happens in AH?
semp
Looks to me like the right elevator of the plane in the picture is also missing. :O
I saw this somehwhere else too, only I read that it was caused by a collision with another TBM or TBF whatever you want to call it.
Hi all!
Here's picture of a P-47, of the Brazilian Air Force, which hit a factory chimney doing ground attack in Italy and returned to base. :aok :x
Mutley. :salute(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2772784512_c94e7781af.jpg)
The book lists it as flak damage, but it sure does *look* like collision damage to me, and that's what I thought it was looking at it.
As he started to lose altitude he was able to regain some control of his plane ......
Denser air?
Brook, look at the hunderts' of bombers photo that got torn apart. Some you be like, :O, and "how the hell did they make it".
To be clear, I don't think it's the cutting off of some of the end of the wing that would cause slowing down (unless it's very messy and draggy, with a lot of panels hanging out at odd angles, say). For example, there are clipped wing versions of some planes (like clippped-wing Spitfires) that can be faster. I think it's the extra control input creating drag.
I think it's just the contrast (or lack of it) that's making it look like it's not there. When I look close, it appears to be intact. I looked close with Photoshop and adjusted the contrast a bit:
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll239/ViperDriver/AcesHighII/TBM_Touchup.jpg)
No and they go faster actually. The force of drag is calculated by taking 1/2 of the density times the frontal area times velocity squared times a function of the reynolds number. If you look at that closely you will see that the only thing that changes with an airplane that loses part of its wing is the total frontal area... so it speeds up due to less drag. If you want to argue trim drag then consider that the AOA could be less due to less of the motive thrust going to generate lift (less weight).
From flying planes in AH with a portion of one wing missing, my recollection is that they have all been slower. Perhaps I am misremembering, as I don't do it all that often, but that's what I recall.
but it isnt. airplanes in ah will fly at full speed. when a portion of the wing is missing it created more drag on one side (the one with the longer wing) which will cause the plane to turn in the direction of the Longer wing, to compensate you must use rudders, which by itself will create more drag, slowing the airplane down. airplanes with 1/2 a wing have been known to fly for extended periods of time, but not at full speed.
semp
I was thinking that damage would slow the plane down. Not sure if its because of more rudder and aileron usage. I wonder if using the rudder would just cancel out the drag you would have from the missing wing. On the other hand, it makes sense though that missing wingtips would be less of an issue at high speeds. Does anyone know how much drag is created by the vortex from a boxed end wing tip?
There are two factors at work: (1) less drag from the portion of the wing that is gone and (2) more induced drag from the remainder of the wing that is generating more lift than it would need to otherwise, more drag from any less-aerodynamicly efficient shape to the end of the wing, more drag from the deflected aileron, and more drag from the deflected rudder. Whether the combined effect results in a faster or slower airplane depends on whether (1) or (2) is the greater effect. For clean clipping of wingtips at lower alts, where the extra lift of the wingtips is not needed, the plane will be faster. For most planes, clipping a good portion of one wing would, I suspect, result in reduced speed with the combined reductions from (2) being greater than the benefit from (1).
From flying planes in AH with a portion of one wing missing, my recollection is that they have all been slower. Perhaps I am misremembering, as I don't do it all that often, but that's what I recall.
What you are calling "induced drag" is actually vortex drag (which is often incorrectly referred to as "induced drag" - so its not your fault)
The angle of attack (AOA) does not necessarily increase just because the wing is cut off and I would suggest it does not in fact. [and other explanation]