Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: wortzman on August 04, 2010, 04:04:29 PM
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Some airplanes that should be on Aces High:
B-29 Superfortress
Horten 229
Comet Tank
Super Tiger Tank
Junkers Ju 52
Meteor
V-1 Flying Bomb
Atomic/Hydrogen Bomb(Am i right?)
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B-29 Superfortress-Yes
Horten 229-not eligible for inclusion it was prototype only
Comet Tank-Yes
Super Tiger Tank-I think you mean King Tiger-Yes
Junkers Ju 52-Yes
Meteor-Yes
V-1 Flying Bomb-on the fence
Atomic/Hydrogen Bomb(Am i right?)-A big HELL NO
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B-29 = No we've already had multiple threads that have been declined.
For the comet +1
Ju-52 +1
Meteor +1
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i guess the a-bomb and h-bomb would make the game really easy so scratch that from the list.
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i guess the a-bomb and h-bomb would make the game really easy so scratch that from the list.
because no one really dies a doctrine of MAD (mutually assured destruction) would be adopted by a small percentage of the player base, inflicting it on others who would rather fight in old planes.
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Honestly, ithink the B29 should be implemented, but should only be allowed to takeoff from !1! base, the one with the extended runways. (extend the runways on the 163 base) So people would be forced to fly 10-15 sectors to a fight, and would definatly cut down on usage.
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Once it's in then people will start whining about why it's not allowed to fly from. All bases. I like the usage it is getting right now.
Semp
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Did we have alot of hydrogen bombs in WW2? Cause the history books I have read don't mention
them :D November 1952 is a bit out of our time frame.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-hydrogen-bomb.htm (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-hydrogen-bomb.htm)
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Did we have alot of hydrogen bombs in WW2?
Same thing can be said about the A Bomb.... only 2 saw service. I dont think that qualifies for inclusion :D
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Are we talking about the Uranium gun bomb or the Plutonium implosion bomb? One of each per tour ought to do it.
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because no one really dies a doctrine of MAD (mutually assured destruction) would be adopted by a small percentage of the player base, inflicting it on others who would rather fight in old planes.
actually, I think you mean that the doctrine of MAD would be ignored, as the MAD doctrine is actually to prevent MAD, and still be able to win a Nuclear war, which is why the cold war never went hot, neither NATO, or the USSR had a first strike capability
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i guess the a-bomb and h-bomb would make the game really easy so scratch that from the list.
just the bomber please
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Are we talking about the Uranium gun bomb or the Plutonium implosion bomb? One of each per tour ought to do it.
they are both fission bombs.
fusion bombs (h-bombs) are different.
and AH doesn't need any of em.
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Honestly, ithink the B29 should be implemented, but should only be allowed to takeoff from !1! base, the one with the extended runways. (extend the runways on the 163 base) So people would be forced to fly 10-15 sectors to a fight, and would definatly cut down on usage.
I am not against having the B29 out side of the extra bombs it didn't fly that much higher or faster than a B17.
Within the AHII community there seems to be some that think this plane will never be shot down & cant be stopped it has almost reached mythological status as the uber bomber & yet we don't have it.
Keep in mind this plane was dropped by Zero's on many occasions. I am inclined to think after a while it won't even have that high a perk point value after some usage in game if & when it arrives.
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Atomic/Hydrogen Bomb
Fail.
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IRL B29s had to choose between defensive armament/fuel or bomb load, due to the distance it took for takeoff. The same choice should have to be made in AH
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IRL B29s had to choose between defensive armament/fuel or bomb load, due to the distance it took for takeoff. The same choice should have to be made in AH
That would be more realistic I like that as a option. :aok
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Scratch the horten 229 too, only 1 prototype flew, and it didn't see any action.
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only reasons zero's shot down B29s was due to the zeros were waiting for it at a higher altitude, and the B29s flew the same pattern every day. B29s flew a lot faster than zeros. Ever been in a B26 being chased by a zero and had to throttle down for it to catch up so u can kill him?
Semp
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IRL B29s had to choose between defensive armament/fuel or bomb load, due to the distance it took for takeoff. The same choice should have to be made in AH
Honestly, that should be true of all bombers in the game.
ack-ack
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I am not against having the B29 out side of the extra bombs it didn't fly that much higher or faster than a B17.
B-29 top speed: 357 mph
Cruise speed: 220 mph
B-17 top speed: 287 mph
Cruise speed: 182 mph
The only thing the B-17 had over the B-29 was its service ceiling was 2,000ft higher (35,600 ft)than the B-29s (33,600 ft). The main reason for the lower altitudes of the missions the B-29 flew over Japan than what the B-17s flew over Europe was due to the Jet Stream.
ack-ack
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only reasons zero's shot down B29s was due to the zeros were waiting for it at a higher altitude, and the B29s flew the same pattern every day. B29s flew a lot faster than zeros. Aver been in a B26 being chased by a zero and had to throttle down for it to catch up so u can kill him?
Semp
B29's were forced to bomb much lower as time went on because they could not hit anything at higher alt's. So Lemay when he took over made them come in at about 10k & lower. So the zero's just had to time the dive right to knock them down on their gun runs.
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That's what I mean by "the zeros were waiting for them at a higher altitude".
Semp
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That's what I mean by "the zeros were waiting for them at a higher altitude".
Semp
Ooopps my bad I was editing & missed the first bit. Fixed :aok
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B-29 top speed: 357 mph
Cruise speed: 220 mph
B-17 top speed: 287 mph
Cruise speed: 182 mph
The only thing the B-17 had over the B-29 was its service ceiling was 2,000ft higher (35,600 ft)than the B-29s (33,600 ft). The main reason for the lower altitudes of the missions the B-29 flew over Japan than what the B-17s flew over Europe was due to the Jet Stream.
ack-ack
Those numbers for fully loaded aircraft or optimal conditions?
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Just remember planes in ah are not flown at cruise speed.
Semp
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Just remember planes in ah are not flown at cruise speed.
Semp
:aok Knew that one :D
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lol allot of talk about B-29's makes it seem like everyone thinks only people in Japanese planes are gonna go after them, germany and the US have loads of planes more than capable of just working the B-29
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was about to say that. it isnt like the b-29 is invincible. Hell, it'd be like any other buff in my opinion.
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Thing about the B29 by the time you see it, it already passed you by dropped and it is in its way home. Only way is if you actually it is coming with a 10 min head start and then maybe. It will be one of the hardest things to kill. That's why.
Semp
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With the new town layout I now see no reason why we cant have the B29 and the nuke...... Just dont allow formations of nukes...
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you dont need a nook to drop a town :huh you just need Ki-67s and you can almost get the whole thing in one pass
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I could see adding the nookie under certain conditions. If a country is about to WIN TEH WAR, enable a nookie to drop on the strat. Make it so you can't take the last base you need to win until said nookie has been dropped on the strats of the opposing countries. Once the strats are nuked, the country that dropped em can take the last base or two to seal the deal.
I can only imagine the fights that would be created when countries are trying to protect the strats from inbound nuclear equipped bombers.
My .02
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what would they implement to make it so you can only nuke the strats? even if you still had to nuke them to win, you could just nook the bases you need then get the strats later
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Thing about the B29 by the time you see it, it already passed you by dropped and it is in its way home. Only way is if you actually it is coming with a 10 min head start and then maybe. It will be one of the hardest things to kill. That's why.
Then they they will cause an increase in high alt fighter sorties. If its not worth the time to climb up and go hunting them, then clearly its not very dangeous.
The AH community seems very addaptable, as we use aircraft and GV's in ways they were never/rarely used and in ways we seem to have invented in some cases.
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what would they implement to make it so you can only nuke the strats? even if you still had to nuke them to win, you could just nook the bases you need then get the strats later
Just make all enemy bases uncapturable until the nuke hits the strat. Either that or make the nuke a dud (or a fizzle) if it's dropped anywhere other than the strat.
I personally like option 2.
EDIT: Orrrrrr, after one country owns the 40% of both other countries' bases, the country trying to win the map MUST drop a nuke on both other countries' strats for the win. Actually I like this method best. The only issue with this one is that nukes wouldn't be enabled for use until the required parameters for the win have been reached.
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you know I like option two as well, Im am still on the fence about it, but I think you are making very good points and ideas for something like this, and this also proves that there can be a civilized conversation about nooks in aces high :salute
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Everyone is all worried about the super fast mega bomber. How often do you think the vast majority of players will take the time to get to high alt? I figured we would have waves of B29's low level dive bombing then hamerheading, keeping both drones and coming back for second and third pass attempts. Now that would be exciting to watch!
Oh and on the nook subject, it would have to damage friendly planes and GV's as well just to make it a viable option.... Nuke the area then roll in, no drop a nuke on a town with 3 of your buddys in it and they live while the enemy dies. Also flying threw the mushroom cloud should give your pilot long term side affects of radiation sickness.....
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If we ever got the bomb in AHII & I kind of hope we don't. So for arguments sake lets say we have it. I think only the top ranking bomber from the previous month gets to use it one time in the next following month.
He gets one plane & one bomb & can only drop it on the mega strat system or HQ. Any other spot renders the bomb useless. If bomb is dropped & it successfully hits said targets the war is won by the top bombers country.
Irrespective of what the status is of that map at that time.
OK Commence the flaming. :bolt:
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uh no way , if you fly through the cloud you get super powers or something, like the ability to think those silly P38's out of the sky
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uh no way , if you fly through the cloud you get super powers or something, like the ability to think those silly P38's out of the sky
:huh
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nvm, im tired, smokeless and not very good at being funny
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If we ever got the bomb in AHII & I kind of hope we don't. So for arguments sake lets say we have it. I think only the top ranking bomber from the previous month gets to use it one time in the next following month.
He gets one plane & one bomb & can only drop it on the mega strat system or HQ. Any other spot renders the bomb useless. If bomb is dropped & it successfully hits said targets the war is won by the top bombers country.
Irrespective of what the status is of that map at that time.
OK Commence the flaming. :bolt:
A 2 week noob could hit the city from 50k using the MA bombsight calibration.
You're suggestion would do nothing but make the way people behave in the MA's worse. Consider what age group(s) would be most likely to want the privilege of dropping "deh kool nook".
Since no one brought it up yet...just imagine a large "mishun" of B-29s carrying the max payload, coming in at 5000-10000 feet, and ENY for your side is high enough you and your buds can't grab anything fast enough or with enough cannons to make a difference. Even if ENY isn't a factor, all it would take is 1 formation of B-29s to level a base. The whining in the forums is bad enough, let a few bases get rolled by B-29stukas and watch the fireworks.
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As slow as the maps are moving since all of the changes maybe this is whats needed then? Im speaking from not just a LW standpoint. Maps are taking 3-4 days to change in MW when they used to change 2-3 times a day. I was never a fan of base rolling per say but the same ole map day after day is just getting to be very old. I know the larger maps in LW are moving much slower now, not sure about the smaller maps.
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I personally like the time its taking for maps to roll over, at least untill it reaches the point where the fighting becomes stagnant.
And, IMO, the nuke gets a giant 'hell no you tard'. I'm fine with the bomber, just so long as people can take either max ord or max fuel/defensive armament, not both. Oh, and only have them enabled at 1/15 of the bases, scatered evenly through out the map.
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A 2 week noob could hit the city from 50k using the MA bombsight calibration.
You're suggestion would do nothing but make the way people behave in the MA's worse. Consider what age group(s) would be most likely to want the privilege of dropping "deh kool nook".
Since no one brought it up yet...just imagine a large "mishun" of B-29s carrying the max payload, coming in at 5000-10000 feet, and ENY for your side is high enough you and your buds can't grab anything fast enough or with enough cannons to make a difference. Even if ENY isn't a factor, all it would take is 1 formation of B-29s to level a base. The whining in the forums is bad enough, let a few bases get rolled by B-29stukas and watch the fireworks.
1ST point yes. 2ND point maybe although I cant see it getting any worse than it is now. 3RD point I did consider age. I would guess it most likely would be a 40+ year old guy who knows how to get maximum bomber score with little effort. 4Th point you can do all of this now with most of the large buffs on a small field,so the B29 would just be incidental.
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my point exactly....