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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JunkyII on August 09, 2010, 07:19:09 AM
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Just passed the PT test after waking up at 3am....time to go do some Land Nav.
Wish me luck!! :rock
:salute
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Good Luck EIB is a tough cookie. You got past one tough part (PT Test). Only other hard part is 12 mile forced March. But, as a grunt yer used to that!
Best Wishes- Get That Coveted EIB
Hoooah!!
Oz
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Just passed the PT test after waking up at 3am....time to go do some Land Nav.
Wish me luck!! :rock
:salute
Do they still do land nav the old way--no electronics, just a compass, gridded map, pace count beads, etc?
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Do they still do land nav the old way--no electronics, just a compass, gridded map, pace count beads, etc?
Is there any other way to do land nav?
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Junky, why is the sky blue?
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Junky, dont sweat land nav...easiest task there is. double check your plotting and you'll be fine
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Good luck. I know a guy back when I was in the Army that had gone for his. He passed everything but when he did his pat down of an POW, he failed because he didn't find the knife on him. He was that close to passing.
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Is there any other way to do land nav?
I'm guessing soldiers in the field today use gps and naught else, really don't know
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Use GPS for work when looking for addresses....when hiking/camping/hunting I only use topo and compass for my travels. Much better that way IMHO.
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The way we 13F's do land nav is, we check everyone prior to doing the course for any electronic devices. we still teach land nav the old fashioned way: Compass , map and protractor.
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Should have taken Tomcat's advice......plotted wrong on night land nav and didnt make it in time <facepalm>
thats twice now!!! :mad:
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Sorry to hear that dude, mebbe 3rd time's a charm :aok
Land-nav fascinates the heck outta me...the declination thing when going from map to real world and back....it fails to sink in. I either add 7 degrees or subtract in my area...but I can't frikkin remember. Do you guys try and make use of pace-counts on hilly terrain, etc?
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I tried to do it once and it never would come out correct; no matter where I was; I have a pretty good sense of direction (night or day) and can generally locate where I am on a map pretty easily. Also with the pace count it could be because of where I live and all the hills around here and my parents land that we hunt on but I imagine it would be screwed up royally if I used a pace count.
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Sorry to hear that dude, mebbe 3rd time's a charm :aok
Land-nav fascinates the heck outta me...the declination thing when going from map to real world and back....it fails to sink in. I either add 7 degrees or subtract in my area...but I can't frikkin remember. Do you guys try and make use of pace-counts on hilly terrain, etc?
If you're in VA it's most likely 7 degrees West, but they do change over time. I just checked because I thought mine in southern VA was around 7 but it's actually 8.5 or 9 degrees West. To find True North with a West declination you have to add the degrees, with an East declination you have to subtract.
Junky.....how did you goof up on plotting at night? Maybe some folks around here can help you before you try it again.
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We always use the standard Lensatic compass instead of the M2. The M2 you have declinate/orientate to your area. They usually have a compass
"zeroing" point or orientating point set up prior to starting the task. With the protractors you also have to look at how they are cut. What I mean is, you look at the 1/50,000th scale(common military map scale) and you check to see if the triangle is evenly cut. If is not it can throw you off big time especially for the non -Artillery types who use degrees instead of mils. (17.7777777777 or 17.78 Mils per degree) Mils is way more accurate. It happens Junky. I am no pro when it comes to being a stick in Aces but I do know land nav.
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I know what you mean about the protractors TOMCAT, I kept one good one from Ranger Joe's I happened to find somewhere and never let it get away.
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Believe it or not, you do get a better quality protractor from Ranger Joe's or US Cavalry then you do from the TAS-C.
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Thing is, if you get 'em in the field, you get the stock issue protractors. Just like boots and deuce-gear, its best to always use the stuff that's issued, unless you belong to one of those units that has the juice to always get gucci gear. Just make sure you take the time to square off the corners, trim the edges straight and such before you take it to the field. They are made by the lowest bidder... :)
I always found night land nav to be easier than day, because I couldn't see anything and was much more precise with pace count and bearing. But, obviously, Junky didn't have a problem with that.
Keep digging Junky, and you'll get it next time.
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The difference between grid and magnetic on ft drum is 13. Not a problem with that just mainly not picking the easy points first.....ran me out of time.
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The difference between grid and magnetic on ft drum is 13. Not a problem with that just mainly not picking the easy points first.....ran me out of time.
Break down how that course goes for those of us who don't know my friend.
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Break down how that course goes for those of us who don't know my friend.
Talking about the land nav course or the EIB itself?
EIB= PT test 75 points each cat.
Land Nav...3 points day and night
Patrol,urban, and TCP lanes have alot of basic soldiering tasks.
12 mile foot march in less then 3 hours...35 pound ruck full kit
Ft drum land nav site=thick and wet with a chance of no chem lights...
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The way we 13F's do land nav is, we check everyone prior to doing the course for any electronic devices. we still teach land nav the old fashioned way: Compass , map and protractor.
Sweet, good to know Im not the only BAMF on here :)
I'm the Targeting NCO for a battalion in 3/82nd
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It's been 15 years, taught Land Nav at Fort Dix, NJ. If I remember correctly, the average pace count for males on level terrain is 112(?) steps per 100 meters. Anyway, Best Wishes for the 3rd (and successfull) try.
<S> Oz
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Give'em He-- JunkyII
Good luck :aok
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Just passed the PT test after waking up at 3am....time to go do some Land Nav.
Wish me luck!! :rock
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Best of luck to you. If it is anything close to as difficult as getting your EFMB for medics you are going to need it. :salute
P.S.- EFMB has the same road march at the end of it. You get up, take a written exam then do the road march. Catch is, even if you fail the exam, you did not find out until after the road march. Back in 1990, I did it in 2:25ish, second one in. :salute
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Good luck Junky! Hurry through and rough-it the first time so you got plenty of time to make sure it's right when you check it the second time.
It's been 15 years, taught Land Nav at Fort Dix, NJ. If I remember correctly, the average pace count for males on level terrain is 112(?) steps per 100 meters. Anyway, Best Wishes for the 3rd (and successfull) try.
<S> Oz
Unless you're 6'5" like me, then you're typicaly in the 80s. :D
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my pace count on every left foot is 55....110 for every step :aok
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Good luck! I know you'll do great!
When I went through air assault school, I made the march only one footfall in front of the paceman. *whew!*
About half way through the thing, I met a man who worked for my father years before. He stayed with me the rest of the way. Had it not been for him I never would have made it. :)
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Texasmom was a dope-on-a-rope? Hooah! :salute
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Junky, the sky is blue because God loves the Infantry!
Don't feel bad. My whole platoon had two people complete EIB. There would have been three, but I've been broken since Baghdad. Out now, but that was almost a year ago. Part of that 2/36 was the ridiculous "standards" of 4/10. The ruck was a good bit over 12 miles, and there were people failed for less than 30 seconds over time.
Just work hard and go get yourself a ranger tab. I wish I could have gone for that myself. I don't know if you have a CIB or not, but it'll come. EIB is harder to earn and shows more skill, but CIB has the oak leaves and means what it means.
If nothing else keep your head up, because you wear a cord and the sky is blue!
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Update: First I already said I didnt get a go lol
3rd BCT 10Th Mountain has 46 soldiers left with one lane and road march to go......my battalion started with 271!!!!
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Update: First I already said I didnt get a go lol
3rd BCT 10Th Mountain has 46 soldiers left with one lane and road march to go......my battalion started with 271!!!!
Sorry to here that, but if everyone got it on the first couple of tries it wouldn't be that big of a deal huh. Hence the name Expert. Better luck next time. When I did EFMB, out of 175 only 14 of us got it. :salute