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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: SEseph on August 13, 2010, 08:48:44 AM
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There is only one elevator, but when the damage model to the horizontal stabilizers were changed to allow one or the other to be hit it also became possible for the 38 to lose one or "half" of it's elevator/horizontal stab. Since my 38 is getting shot all the time I'll see if I can grab a picture next time it happens.
I'd like an elevator 1 and an elevator 2 in the damage list if this is a know abnormality. So far as I know, this is a unique problem to the P38, similar to the 110 damage flaw before.
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But doesn't the P-38 just have one big elevator? :headscratch:
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I'd like an elevator 1 and an elevator 2 in the damage list if this is a know abnormality. So far as I know, this is a unique problem to the P38, similar to the 110 damage flaw before.
Are you on crack? The 38 doesn't have two elevators! Next time, at least research your whine!
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Are you on crack? The 38 doesn't have two elevators! Next time, at least research your whine!
Take it easy Masherbrum. There appears to be a bug in the damage model on the P-38 elevator. Soulyss posted in the bug reports forum that he thinks it's tied to the horizontal stabs, so if you lose 1 side you lose 1/2 of the elevator.
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When a P38 gets hit in the tail you get a PW. :noid
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I think all the PW come from the big heads us B-38 pile-its have, it sticks out around the sides of the pilot armor. :D
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Take it easy Masherbrum. There appears to be a bug in the damage model on the P-38 elevator. Soulyss posted in the bug reports forum that he thinks it's tied to the horizontal stabs, so if you lose 1 side you lose 1/2 of the elevator.
that is something I have not noticed at all. Honestly, what SERaider is describing isn't a bug at all.
ack-ack
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I don't often fly the 38 but I have noticed it once...thought it was just a fluke. Dunno, can't say for sure... :headscratch:
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that is something I have not noticed at all. Honestly, what SERaider is describing isn't a bug at all.
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I don't know if it a bug or not, but you can now lose half the horizontal stab just like in other planes. It's a little strange looking back and see half of the beam between the tails missing and the other half not attached in the middle. Looks like the whole thing would just come off in a slight breeze. :)
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that is something I have not noticed at all. Honestly, what SERaider is describing isn't a bug at all.
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ya AK AK but u have to get shot to see it. I think that might be your problem right there.
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Are you on crack? The 38 doesn't have two elevators! Next time, at least research your whine!
before you think me to be on crack, I suggest you notice who I quoted and why I made the request, which included all the information you think I'm a fool to not notice. I had also reported this as a bug (the half elevator). So here, let me quote someone else who apparently doesn't do any research before they make a fool of themselves.
Quote Masherbrum: Are you on crack? The 38 doesn't have two elevators! Next time, at least research your whine!
(here's the link so you can research) http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,292514.0.html
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When a P38 gets hit in the tail you get a PW. :noid
:rofl that's about right
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before you think me to be on crack, I suggest you notice who I quoted and why I made the request, which included all the information you think I'm a fool to not notice. I had also reported this as a bug (the half elevator). So here, let me quote someone else who apparently doesn't do any research before they make a fool of themselves.
Quote Masherbrum: Are you on crack? The 38 doesn't have two elevators! Next time, at least research your whine!
(here's the link so you can research) http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,292514.0.html
Like I said, I really don't think it's a bug. I think it's a byproduct of the new damage model in that before it was all or nothing and now we have some varying degrees of damage. Now the elevators can be damaged whereas in the past it would have been completely destroyed, so it's basically treated as two seperate objects for the damage model. Before the change to the damage list, when we received the updated damage model it did list elevators twice to account how they are now treated as two seperate objects but still considered a single elevator. I hope this made sense.
ack-ack
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before you think me to be on crack, I suggest you notice who I quoted and why I made the request, which included all the information you think I'm a fool to not notice. I had also reported this as a bug (the half elevator). So here, let me quote someone else who apparently doesn't do any research before they make a fool of themselves.
Quote Masherbrum: Are you on crack? The 38 doesn't have two elevators! Next time, at least research your whine!
(here's the link so you can research) http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,292514.0.html
I made a fool out of myself? If you're REPORTING A BUG, why isn't this thread in the BUG FORUM and if you did. What in the hell does your thread have to do with a WISHLIST?
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simmer down laidies
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My guess he is really not sure what he wants, so he is covering all the bases.
If its a bug as he reported he has posted in the bug forum.
If its not a bug he "wishes" the damage list for the 38 to be changed to show the two pieces of the elevator so that he can know which is damaged.
For me, I'm ok with only loosing half of my elevator on the 38 in stead of the whole thing so I think it shouldn't be considered a bug. As for the damage list, it really doesn't matter "which" elevator/side you loose as all it does is change the response you have on the elevator control. There is no shift to one side or the other that I have noticed like if you loose the tip of a wing.
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If its not a bug he "wishes" the damage list for the 38 to be changed to show the two pieces of the elevator so that he can know which is damaged.
The damage list already displays that.
ack-ack
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The damage list already displays that.
ack-ack
heheeh shows you how often I check that list. I just fly it till it don't fly no more :D
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The damage list already displays that.
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It only shows a single elevator damage, I want it to show the differing sides so they are distinguishable. It has to somehow effect the aircrafts' balance as suddenly there's a huge missing piece, meaning weight shift. If it doesn't, there is another issue all it's own.
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I made a fool out of myself? If you're REPORTING A BUG, why isn't this thread in the BUG FORUM and if you did. What in the hell does your thread have to do with a WISHLIST?
you didn't read it again... I did post it in the bug area, was told it was normal, so I want it in the damage list. HTC admits there are two sections of the tail, so obviously there is a lacking in the damage report, which is why I asked for the wishlist. So, my statement stands, please research before telling me to research. Here's the link again, please check the dates between it and the wishlist before you jump on me again.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,292514.0.html
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It only shows a single elevator damage, I want it to show the differing sides so they are distinguishable. It has to somehow effect the aircrafts' balance as suddenly there's a huge missing piece, meaning weight shift. If it doesn't, there is another issue all it's own.
Next time you have your elevator completely blown off, look at the damage list it will display elevator twice if both damaged/destroyed.
ack-ack
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Next time you have your elevator completely blown off, look at the damage list it will display elevator twice if both damaged/destroyed.
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Shhhhh. Keep that a secret.
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So let me ask, wings are two sections correct? Does it say Left Wing twice when you get shot up? Or does it say Left wing either way? If (and yes ack-ack, I checked, you're right but it's only half the issue I have with it) it does say only left or right while only having half there, then the elevator is an abnormality when it comes to the damage model because it doesn't represent the same as other aircraft. Also, HTC says it's a single elevator:
There is only one elevator on the P38's.
then how can we have two elevators under damage? If we do have two elevators under damage, why are they not labeled as left or right? If one is expected to look back to figure it out, why have anything labeled, as the same argument could hold true for any component on the aircraft....
I just want them labeled left and right... or 1 and 2. Remember my first post?
I'd like an elevator 1 and an elevator 2 in the damage list if this is a know abnormality. So far as I know, this is a unique problem to the P38, similar to the 110 damage flaw before.
Couldn't find the 110 rudder issue (think it was the rudder on the damage list)
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So let me ask, wings are two sections correct? Does it say Left Wing twice when you get shot up? Or does it say Left wing either way? If (and yes ack-ack, I checked, you're right but it's only half the issue I have with it) it does say only left or right while only having half there, then the elevator is an abnormality when it comes to the damage model because it doesn't represent the same as other aircraft. Also, HTC says it's a single elevator: then how can we have two elevators under damage? If we do have two elevators under damage, why are they not labeled as left or right? If one is expected to look back to figure it out, why have anything labeled, as the same argument could hold true for any component on the aircraft....
I just want them labeled left and right... or 1 and 2. Remember my first post?
Couldn't find the 110 rudder issue (think it was the rudder on the damage list)
Hopefully this time I'll be a little more clearer than in my first post so you can understand what is happening.
Yes, you are absolutely correct in that the P-38 only has one elevator. However, the game (for purposes of the damage model) treats the elevators as two seperate objects (this does not effect the elevators in the flight model, the flight model still treats the elevators as a single object), which can be either damaged/destroyed seperately. It's not going to be labeled "Left/Right Elevator" in the damage list because it's a single elevator and not two seperate elevators like on most other planes in the game.
One thing you may want to check out to see if it's a bug with how the elevators are listed in the damage list is to take off in a regular single engine plane with two seperate elevators and have them damaged/destroyed. Check the damage list and see if it displays "Left/Right Elevator" or just "Elevator".
ack-ack
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Hopefully this time I'll be a little more clearer than in my first post so you can understand what is happening.
Yes, you are absolutely correct in that the P-38 only has one elevator. However, the game (for purposes of the damage model) treats the elevators as two seperate objects (this does not effect the elevators in the flight model, the flight model still treats the elevators as a single object), which can be either damaged/destroyed seperately. It's not going to be labeled "Left/Right Elevator" in the damage list because it's a single elevator and not two seperate elevators like on most other planes in the game.
One thing you may want to check out to see if it's a bug with how the elevators are listed in the damage list is to take off in a regular single engine plane with two seperate elevators and have them damaged/destroyed. Check the damage list and see if it displays "Left/Right Elevator" or just "Elevator".
ack-ack
Correct.
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Hopefully this time I'll be a little more clearer than in my first post so you can understand what is happening.
Yes, you are absolutely correct in that the P-38 only has one elevator. However, the game (for purposes of the damage model) treats the elevators as two seperate objects (this does not effect the elevators in the flight model, the flight model still treats the elevators as a single object), which can be either damaged/destroyed seperately. It's not going to be labeled "Left/Right Elevator" in the damage list because it's a single elevator and not two seperate elevators like on most other planes in the game.
One thing you may want to check out to see if it's a bug with how the elevators are listed in the damage list is to take off in a regular single engine plane with two seperate elevators and have them damaged/destroyed. Check the damage list and see if it displays "Left/Right Elevator" or just "Elevator".
ack-ack
While the explanation sounds valid and I will accept it at face value, how/why is it that, say, a wing can be only half there and the game says 'Left Wing' under damage, then when the other half of the left wing goes away, it still only says 'Left Wing" not 'Left Wing' x2? The same principle applies to the only half there, and there being two separate sections.
So here, let me amend my wish:
I wish that if a component that can be potentially damaged in part or as a whole, then said component is listed clearly as to the amount of damage. This would be inclusive of all wing structures, elevator structures on any P38 model and any pieces I may have missed that can be, as stated before, damaged in part or as a whole.
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Like I said, I really don't think it's a bug. I think it's a byproduct of the new damage model in that before it was all or nothing and now we have some varying degrees of damage. Now the elevators can be damaged whereas in the past it would have been completely destroyed, so it's basically treated as two seperate objects for the damage model. Before the change to the damage list, when we received the updated damage model it did list elevators twice to account how they are now treated as two seperate objects but still considered a single elevator. I hope this made sense.
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Amendment? Since the elevator is one piece but the damage model looks like two separate pieces, sometime in a future update change the damage graphics for the elevator to show chunks missing one side or the other, but retain the one piece aesthetics (meaning the sections where the elevators on both sides are connected to the aircraft are still intact as well as the forward portions completely across, but large sections to either side will be destroyed if hit with enough force).
Like this:
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Remember, the new damage model being tested in the WWI arena is eventually coming to the rest of AH.
Go up a plane get a wing shot up and look at what the new damage model shows.
I think you will be pleased and surprised.
Before they changed it the whole list for the damageable parts took 2 full columns.
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Well, a possible interim solution for the OP that may actually increase the "immersion" factor. Next time you get a damaged elevator, just look aft, both on the R and L side, and pull back a bit on the yoke. You can clearly see which side of elevator is or is not there from the cockpit with a little up elevator. :aok
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Well, a possible interim solution for the OP that may actually increase the "immersion" factor. Next time you get a damaged elevator, just look aft, both on the R and L side, and pull back a bit on the yoke. You can clearly see which side of elevator is or is not there from the cockpit with a little up elevator. :aok
If I have to look, why even have a damage display? Why say right wing? why say left elevator or right horizontal stabalizer? Why say Engine 3 or engine 1? Just make them look at it. Damage display should just read: "ALL SYSTEMS NORMAL" or "YOUR PLANE IS JACKED UP" because then we'd know to look. :rolleyes:
Remember, the new damage model being tested in the WWI arena is eventually coming to the rest of AH.
Go up a plane get a wing shot up and look at what the new damage model shows.
I think you will be pleased and surprised.
Before they changed it the whole list for the damageable parts took 2 full columns.
I did, SWEET. This will most likely give what I wanted. :rock
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Perhaps SE you didn't realize that "interim solution" means a temporary workaround that may provide the information you requested. I was not casting aspersions at your wish for a more complete damage display but simply mentioning that you can now know which side of the elevator is missing, just by looking aft for a second.
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Perhaps SE you didn't realize that "interim solution" means a temporary workaround that may provide the information you requested. I was not casting aspersions at your wish for a more complete damage display but simply mentioning that you can now know which side of the elevator is missing, just by looking aft for a second.
You inffer stupidity when you make such a suggestion. Been playing for almost 10 years, but flew the 38 very little until recently (last 2-3 mo or so) so I am quite capable of looking back. I just happened to notice the abnormality and did not understand why a single object could act almost as well broken as it does whole, yet wing damage causes major changes in flight characteristics. Infact, with that half wing gone, the plane lurches to the side, were as the elevator does little in terms of jerking the airplane making it much less obvious what is hurt without constantly having the damage reference up.
Also by your retort, we can hypothesize along two lines with your style of game play. You, either, like the stability of the game as it is now, along with it's realism, unrealistic attributes with certain factors and the latent bugs, which probably means a change could also potentially make an alteration you do not want. Where as the second, you believe it should be closer to reality than a game. If it is the former, threaten to quit any time they update because it might change your comfort level. If it is the former, then don't ever use any updates in terms of new planes, shiny new graphics, new sound controls, bombing sights in any form, gunners on bombers firing all guns, Tigers that don't have the armor they should and the list goes on. Oh and turn off icons, they aren't real either.
I want a change with the 38, like the G model was 5-600lbs off at some point, or they reinforced the structure to make all models more viable aircraft. By your answer also, CV groups should be larger because it's an immersion factor, Zeke's should not fight 109's nor be able to lob an egg on a Panzer because that would be an immersion factor that is unrealistic.
I do not mean imply your statement is wrong, but for me and my wish, it is perfectly invalid.
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I made a fool out of myself? If you're REPORTING A BUG, why isn't this thread in the BUG FORUM and if you did. What in the hell does your thread have to do with a WISHLIST?
you did make a fool of your self which is why you are trying so hard to discredit the person who made the post by further commenting on the bug forum and so on.
Foolish humans.
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Hey man, the BBS are full of guys who just like flaming posters. Most of them understand there is usually a few hundred miles and screen anonymity to protect them and so they say what they want without fear of consequence. Essentially they exist to deride others and that defines their lives. That said....
I thought your observation was valid. If there is going to indeed be a menu full of damage listings, then why not make it comprehensive. I do agree with some that knowing which side may not really matter. I personally have not noticed a yaw or roll difference because of one side or the other missing. Needless to say it is your opinion and no less valid then those requesting the B-29.
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you did make a fool of your self which is why you are trying so hard to discredit the person who made the post by further commenting on the bug forum and so on.
Foolish humans.
Sorry miles, I didn't. There was no need for two threads dealing with the same topic, as yourself and others failed to "see". But hey, thanks for stopping by!
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~ There was no need for two threads dealing with the same topic, as yourself and others failed to "see". ~
Mash, I made this one because HTC said it was normal what I was seeing so I started this one here, with the wish to change "The Norm." The start dates should be quite off if you check (there have been a few subsequent posts, but what ever). Okay, this should be it. I just want a more "...comprehensive."
list of systems. No one has spoken out against it, more fighting over if it's one or two units and then calling names. It's done. I asked. If HTC deems it worthy of implementation whether any of us like it or not, or are happy in the end, then it will be so. I posted in the bug forum and that was the wrong area that I, and everyone else who is reading this specific topic now knows intimately. I then had brought it to the 'Wish' area so HTC knew I wanted a change and it was in the proper forum for public debate. If you feel I am in error, I am sorry, but I respect your opinion. Please respect mine.
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No one has spoken out against it, more fighting over if it's one or two units and then calling names. It's done.
While I'm sure it's not difficult to do, I do think it's necessary since the damage list will already display if both sections of the single elevator have been damaged or destroyed. Does it really matter if it doesn't display "Left/Right"? As someone pointed out, it's far quicker just to do a quick look behind you to see which part of the single elevator has been damaged/destroyed.
ack-ack
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While I'm sure it's not difficult to do, I do think it's unnecessary since the damage list will already display if both sections of the single elevator have been damaged or destroyed. Does it really matter if it doesn't display "Left/Right"? As someone pointed out, it's far quicker just to do a quick look behind you to see which part of the single elevator has been damaged/destroyed.
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shhh it was suppose to be done.
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Sub wish: Can blender be added to the damage model?
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Sub wish: Can blender be added to the damage model?
+1 :rofl
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You inffer stupidity when you make such a suggestion...
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No inference intended whatsoever. Your wish for a more comprehensive damage list is perfectly valid. I simply was under the impression that you wanted to know which side of the elevator was damaged and suggested that until the change to the damage list is implemented you can see which side by looking aft. That's all.
I explained "interim solution" because it's sometimes hard for me to tell who is a native English speaker or not, and please, no inference intended here either. BBS posts are usually not polished.
No bad vibes intended. :aok
Best.
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No worries. I have my damage open all the time now since it's such a nice tiny list (mostly) just so if I'm in the middle of a fight, I can quickly see whats happening. The track thingy might work, but I have a hard time moving neck without pain, so the was more the basis for the request of the damage list. No worries, it was heated momentarily, now we leave it to the HTC gods in their infinite :uhoh wisdom.