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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Limbo0 on August 14, 2010, 02:36:07 PM
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Yes gents many of u no me and im very lucky to be alive cause thursday august 12th 1010 i wrecked my car into a guard raid then a 20 ft bank and then hit a tree while airborne by the luck of the draw me and my 3 friends were spared our lives mine only because of my seatbelt so to the point of this i just want to warn everyyone plz wear your belts <S>.(http://) and if someone tells me how to post pics ill post a picture of the car ty
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Glad you are safe.
What caused the wreck?
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went around a corner at 40 mph dumb yes but shouldnt have caused a crash but some jackoff came around the otherway goin faster and in my lane i chose to hit the guard rail instead of him still dk who it was he never stopped.
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wow he didn't stop I cant believe someone wouldn't stop after witnessing such a crash you should have hit him instead lol. Go to photo-bucket and make an account and upload your pics when you click on the uploaded pics they should give you the image code which looks like (http://whatever the code is)
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went around a corner at 40 mph dumb yes but shouldnt have caused a crash but some jackoff came around the otherway goin faster and in my lane i chose to hit the guard rail instead of him still dk who it was he never stopped.
i'm gonna assume you're young....and not had your license very long?
take a lesson from this. learn your car. learn what it can and can't do. and slow down. there's too many jackwagons on the roads today.
glad your all ok.
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(http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac357/limbo03/wreck1.jpg) well thats it boys and girls whats left of my totaled car and yes im young but it had nothing to do with my age or my speed the bend was rated a 35 mph turn and as we all no 5 more mph is always acceptable so do not critisize my driving plz and if u look closely at the passenger door handle u can still see my friends blood from where he tryed getting the door open to help me get my other friend out didnt work
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wow he didn't stop I cant believe someone wouldn't stop after witnessing such a crash you should have hit him instead lol. Go to photo-bucket and make an account and upload your pics when you click on the uploaded pics they should give you the image code which looks like (http://whatever the code is)
haha yea but that woulda been worse lol reason i chose the rail is cause went over some quick physics hit him and double crash speed or just take the 40 mph crash haha
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this is gonna sound stupid... but were you "found" by another driver (was rail broken?) or were you guys able to get out of the car under your own power and get help?
glad to hear you guys made it.
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The accident clearly knocked the spelling and punctuation out of you...
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I was able to crawl out and help my friends out and called 911 and got help me and one friend were life flighted and yes it kinda did i did have a concussion and am seeing words blurridly and dont care how i spell so long as point is passed to wear ur belt and slow down cause if i get that hurt from having a belt on and goin speed limit imagine whated have happened otherwise
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Hope you find who it was that run you off.
Here on sharp bends like that I will run UNDER the posted speed just to hopefully make sure what happened to you dont happen to me. Mild curves i'll run posted speed, but sharp ones i'll slow down and take it easy
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Limbo, first let me state that I think I speak for us all by saying that we are thankful that you and your friends are OK. It looks like someone was definitely on your side when that happened.
Now here comes the part you won't want to hear, but like it or not all you can do is take in what we have to say and learn from your experience.
You ask us not to criticize your driving, so I'm going to criticize your logic instead. First off, it *IS* your fault whether you think so or not. Using your very own statement, "it had nothing to do with my age or my speed" I should then ask what you think DID have to do with it then? Was it the other driver's fault? I'm kind of doubting that. Was the pavement especially slippery? Well, that is where age and experience does come in. You already mention doing 5mph above the posted turn speed limit when this happened (we could argue all day long whether you were doing more than that or not)... but regardless it was still over the limit.. and that is, of course where speed comes in.
So, really, the fact is that your age AND speed had EVERYTHING to do with your accident.
Now I know you're upset that you've been involved in this kind of an incident, and it's very easily to get angry and defensive when in this position, but once you relax and calm down please look back at this thread and learn as much as you can from it all, after all the most important thing is that you and your friends are O.K. so from this point on all you can do is gain experience and learn from it. It's great that you were wearing your seatbelt, but don't ever forget that if people were to change their driving habits and were to take in the experience to learn how to avoid these kinds of things in the first place, well that would save more lives than wearing seatbelts ever could.
In the mean time perhaps you might want to consider some sort of defensive driving course? Might save you a lot on insurance premiums as well...
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glad to see you are ok.
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(http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac357/limbo03/wreck1.jpg) well thats it boys and girls whats left of my totaled car and yes im young but it had nothing to do with my age or my speed the bend was rated a 35 mph turn and as we all no 5 more mph is always acceptable so do not critisize my driving plz and if u look closely at the passenger door handle u can still see my friends blood from where he tryed getting the door open to help me get my other friend out didnt work
what i said was intended as constructive criticism.
your age and speed both had something to do with it. most of the rest of us here have been there/done that.
i know personally, i look back at some of the crazy stuff i used to do when i was 18, and thought i was invincible....and thank god i'm still here.
if it was a curve rated at 35, then chances are good it wasn't a blind curve. so there's lesson #1. don't look where you're going, look where you're going to be. if the curve wasn't blind, you could have seen him coming, before things got to the point where you had to ditch it into the guard rail.
again, glad you're all ok. i know the feeling of being on the roof, as well as the feeling of someone skooting across the center line at the last minute, and kissing the front of my car.
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glad to see you are ok.
My thoughts exactly. I had one really retarded f up at that age well maybe 2 but im talking about driving. :D Glad everyones ok, and yes I always wear my seatbelt! And I drive a jeep so speeding really isn't a issue for me. I'm lucky to hit 65mph with the wind. :angel:
We all can't be as special as you Tigger, wrong place, right time. watermelon happens, thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Limbo, first let me state that I think I speak for us all by saying that we are thankful that you and your friends are OK. It looks like someone was definitely on your side when that happened.
Now here comes the part you won't want to hear, but like it or not all you can do is take in what we have to say and learn from your experience.
You ask us not to criticize your driving, so I'm going to criticize your logic instead. First off, it *IS* your fault whether you think so or not. Using your very own statement, "it had nothing to do with my age or my speed" I should then ask what you think DID have to do with it then? Was it the other driver's fault? I'm kind of doubting that. Was the pavement especially slippery? Well, that is where age and experience does come in. You already mention doing 5mph above the posted turn speed limit when this happened (we could argue all day long whether you were doing more than that or not)... but regardless it was still over the limit.. and that is, of course where speed comes in.
So, really, the fact is that your age AND speed had EVERYTHING to do with your accident.
Now I know you're upset that you've been involved in this kind of an incident, and it's very easily to get angry and defensive when in this position, but once you relax and calm down please look back at this thread and learn as much as you can from it all, after all the most important thing is that you and your friends are O.K. so from this point on all you can do is gain experience and learn from it. It's great that you were wearing your seatbelt, but don't ever forget that if people were to change their driving habits and were to take in the experience to learn how to avoid these kinds of things in the first place, well that would save more lives than wearing seatbelts ever could.
In the mean time perhaps you might want to consider some sort of defensive driving course? Might save you a lot on insurance premiums as well...
i would think something that would allow them to learn their cars abilities.
i also don't see many bad weather driving classes either.
my grandpop took me out in pretty much anything. hell.....he had me driving his 67 mustang one day when it was snowing hard.......then we had to go to the hardware store the next day, so i had to drive the 71 ford ranch wagon in it.
those kinds of things are why i learned to learn what my car can and can't do.
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I'm glad you & your friends are okay.
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You ask us not to criticize your driving, so I'm going to criticize your logic instead. First off, it *IS* your fault whether you think so or not. Using your very own statement, "it had nothing to do with my age or my speed" I should then ask what you think DID have to do with it then? Was it the other driver's fault? I'm kind of doubting that. Was the pavement especially slippery? Well, that is where age and experience does come in. You already mention doing 5mph above the posted turn speed limit when this happened (we could argue all day long whether you were doing more than that or not)... but regardless it was still over the limit.. and that is, of course where speed comes in.
So, really, the fact is that your age AND speed had EVERYTHING to do with your accident.
if what he says is how it happened, it was not his fault, the other driver was in HIS lane so he swerved to avoid and hit a guardrail, it was the fault of the other driver, 5 mph over the speed limit is nothing.
Limbo glad you and your friends are OK
I want to say that wearing your seat belt did not "save" your life, it just was not your time, one thing life will teach you when it's your time, you are done. period
I rolled a caravan 4 times at 70 mph, no seat belt, my wife was in the van, I had no injuries at all, she had half her face ripped open, broke two ribs, and many small injuries.
I know someone else that fell asleep at the wheel wearing his seat belt and died.
my point is this.
when it's your time to die, there is nothing you can do to prevent it, if it is not your time you are not going anywhere. no matter what.
I have met way too many people that have survived insane crashes, or falls or being crushed by this or that and survived in a situation that you would bet that no one survived.
thank the dood upstairs and go on with life and enjoy the beauty that comes with it. :aok
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Should have traded some paint with the other driver. Makes it easier for them tho find the dirtbag.
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Ty all who wished me and my friends well and again for those who keep criticizing my driving this was not intended for that this is intended to help others learn from my mistakes so that maybe just 1 more person will drive safer and maybe survive a crash or not have one at all and yes i do wish alittle that i woulda traded paint with the other car so the blame wasn't all on me but my mind made a decision and i went with it cause it seemed less likely to hurt me and my friends i do really wish i could catch that bastard tho cause id i did id prob do to him what the crash did to my friends.
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glad you guys are okay and thanks for the public service announcement. You got some good advice in this thread and it doesn't hurt an older guy to pay attention to it as well. It never hurts anybody to have a reminder that A) life can jump up and cull a healthy one from the herd sometimes and B) it pays to practice constant situational awareness.
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Ty im glad u see the point im trying to get across.
glad you guys are okay and thanks for the public service announcement. You got some good advice in this thread and it doesn't hurt an older guy to pay attention to it as well. It never hurts anybody to have a reminder that A) life can jump up and cull a healthy one from the herd sometimes and B) it pays to practice constant situational awareness.
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Yes gents many of u no me and im very lucky to be alive cause thursday august 12th 1010 i wrecked my car into a guard raid then a 20 ft bank and then hit a tree while airborne by the luck of the draw me and my 3 friends were spared our lives mine only because of my seatbelt so to the point of this i just want to warn everyyone plz wear your belts <S>.(http://) and if someone tells me how to post pics ill post a picture of the car ty
I couldn't agree with you more Limbo, unfortunately I learned this lesson too late and have now been in a wheelchair the last 13 years because I didn't wear my seat-belt, my friend next to me in the car had his on and he walked away, so just make sure you use it because you never know whats gonna happen and I know it sounds corny but it could save your life, or save you from a life altering injury.
Heres the car I was in and like I said the guy in the passenger seat walked away because he had his on.
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r168/trax28/car.jpg)
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Im sorry to hear that man this is the first and hopefully last accident im ever in and i am almost certain the seatbelt saved my life but atleas u lived my friend <S> thats an importaint thing just hopein what weve said on this thread may help others.
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Im sorry to hear that man this is the first and hopefully last accident im ever in and i am almost certain the seatbelt saved my life but atleas u lived my friend <S> thats an importaint thing just hopein what weve said on this thread may help others.
Yeah I always look at it as it could of ended up a whole lot worse then it did & I'm extremely lucky to even be alive.
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:salute Trax
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The accident clearly knocked the spelling and punctuation out of you...
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He said he had a concussion, why do you have to be a turd?
Some people just cant help it i guess.
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Ty all who wished me and my friends well and again for those who keep criticizing my driving this was not intended for that this is intended to help others learn from my mistakes so that maybe just 1 more person will drive safer and maybe survive a crash or not have one at all and yes i do wish alittle that i woulda traded paint with the other car so the blame wasn't all on me but my mind made a decision and i went with it cause it seemed less likely to hurt me and my friends i do really wish i could catch that bastard tho cause id i did id prob do to him what the crash did to my friends.
none of what i said was intended as derogatory. i was merely trying to point out things that may help you in the future.
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I couldn't agree with you more Limbo, unfortunately I learned this lesson too late and have now been in a wheelchair the last 13 years because I didn't wear my seat-belt, my friend next to me in the car had his on and he walked away, so just make sure you use it because you never know whats gonna happen and I know it sounds corny but it could save your life, or save you from a life altering injury.
Heres the car I was in and like I said the guy in the passenger seat walked away because he had his on.
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r168/trax28/car.jpg)
when i got hit head on in my mustang....it was 3 miles from work, on the way home. back then, i would sometimes put the belt on, sometimes not.
for some reason(grandmom looking down on me i think) as i approached the driveway to pull out of work, i stopped, put on my seat belt, and then left. it was drizzling. 5 minutes later i'm standing on the side of the road next to my totaled mustang.
since then, i never pull out onto ANY road now, without my seat belt. ever.
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Im sorry to hear that man this is the first and hopefully last accident im ever in and i am almost certain the seatbelt saved my life but atleas u lived my friend <S> thats an importaint thing just hopein what weve said on this thread may help others.
it's not your last.
i'm 48. my last one was about 4 or 5 years ago, when i got "pitted" by a kid in a hurry. we were in my girlfriends mitsubishi. when he pitted us, the back end hit the curb, as the car spun around clockwise(i was trying like a bastard to stop the spin), the spin accelerated, we hit the curb again, after 180 spin, the car launched, landed on the drivers door, slid a few yards, and rolled onto the roof.
both of us were wearing our seat belts. the closest thing i got to hurt, was when i unbuckled, and fell on my head(and i did laugh about that later that night). kym broke 2 fingernails(she was tuning the radio when the kid hit us), got a run in a brand new pair of pantyhose.
just learn from this, and listen to the advice being offered, so you live a good long life. :aok
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here's a question for you . it's raining hard, you go to the mall. when you come out, it's pretty much stopped, and the roads are still somewhat wet.
which is more dangerous?
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Well limbo0 I'm glad to here your alive for better or worse. Now since theres a Co position in your old squad and you almost died you can come back and be Co for the 2nd wing. You don't half to but your welcome to come back and run the squad with Swoops and everybody. Remember it's vox 177 just in case. Good luck and don't get in anymore car crashes or in your case rail crash. :salute
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The way a person drives with friends or family in the car tells alot how he/she cares about them.
After that you just have to pay attention to all the other drivers out there.
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The way a person drives with friends or family in the car tells alot how he/she cares about them.
After that you just have to pay attention to all the other drivers out there.
it's funny that you say that.........when i drive customers cars, i drive almost like a sissy. when i'm driving my own car, and alone i tend to push mu var whenever the opportunity presents itself. when i have people in the car, i drive cautiously, as well........i care about them.....
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limo0 if you've had a head injury you do not want to be sitting in front of a PC typing. take a coupla days off...
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Haha im too tough and stupid to let a little concussion stop me from spreading the word of safty <S> ty for the concern tho mate
limo0 if you've had a head injury you do not want to be sitting in front of a PC typing. take a coupla days off...
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The way a person drives with friends or family in the car tells alot how he/she cares about them.
That was one of the things that lead to my accident, the friends that I had in my car that day weren't life long friends or anything so I guess I wanted to show off and drive as fast as I could get the car, I was 19(2 weeks out of high school) and like most 19 year old thought I was invincible, you know thinking that those types of things happen to other people, not me. So unfortunately I ended up losing control of the car around 100mph with no seat-belt on and now I pay for that stupid decision every day for the rest of my life, I'm just thankful that I still have a rest of my life and I have a beautiful wife to share it with.
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here's a question for you . it's raining hard, you go to the mall. when you come out, it's pretty much stopped, and the roads are still somewhat wet.
which is more dangerous?
after the rain has stopped... now tell us why
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after the rain has stopped... now tell us why
because there is nothing to wash away the oil that floats to the top......thus the road is much much more slippery than when it's raining hard.....
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because there is nothing to wash away the oil that floats to the top......thus the road is much much more slippery than when it's raining hard.....
(this is my opinion) The roads would be more dangerous after a rain because people arent as careful when its not raining. They tend to drive like a normal sunny day, opposed to paying more attention and being generally more cautious during a rain.
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(this is my opinion) The roads would be more dangerous after a rain because people arent as careful when its not raining. They tend to drive like a normal sunny day, opposed to paying more attention and being generally more cautious during a rain.
that is partly true. but there is oil in the blacktop. there is oil leaks from most cars on the road. when it is raining hard, this oil is washed away. when the rain stops, and the water simply sets there, the oil floats to the top, causing a much more slippery surface to negotiate.
here's another one. where would one find the most slippery places on the road after a rain?
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low lying areas and flat stretches exactly where people tend to speed a bit more than average. Or my driveway when the teens and their clunkers are hanging out.
Drive a standard Mustang after a rain and you'll find out where the slick spots are right quick.
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low lying areas and flat stretches exactly where people tend to speed a bit more than average. Or my driveway when the teens and their clunkers are hanging out.
Drive a standard Mustang after a rain and you'll find out where the slick spots are right quick.
you missed one.
i've been driving some form of mustang since 1979(when i got my dl). i've driven them in everything from torrential downpours, to winter snowstorms. again, i can thank my grandpop for being able to do that, as he took me out in any weather conditions in his 67(which he gave me when the engine blew..it was my very first engine install). back then, i was also able to find large empty parking lots that made good playgrounds, to .....well.....play in, and see what the car would and wouldn't do in those conditions.
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My first car was an 83 Ford Fairmont, which is basically the 83 Ford Mustang except a different body, one time just as it started to rain I came to a stop light, the light was at the bottom of a hill, I went to apply the brakes and the wheels just locked up, I pumped them but no luck, the road was just too slick, I plowed right into the rear end of an Escort, I totaled the Escort, it's rear doors wouldn't even close anymore, but my car was a tank, not even a dent or scratch, back then when cars were made of steel they could take some hits.
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My first car was an 83 Ford Fairmont, which is basically the 83 Ford Mustang except a different body, one time just as it started to rain I came to a stop light, the light was at the bottom of a hill, I went to apply the brakes and the wheels just locked up, I pumped them but no luck, the road was just too slick, I plowed right into the rear end of an Escort, I totaled the Escort, it's rear doors wouldn't even close anymore, but my car was a tank, not even a dent or scratch, back then when cars were made of steel they could take some hits.
yep. that's what i was going for. intersections. especially heavily traveled ones. cars sit in traffic, leaking oil, and/or other fluids. add a little water, and you get what happened to you.
and the fairmont thing.......yep. ford built close to 26 cars on that chassis i think. the drivetrain from my wrecked mustang resides in a 78 fairmont futura.
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I learned to drive on unpaved, ranch roads in a 67 Ford pickup. I still prefer to drive it over my new truck, it feels like your actually driving something.
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... nothing to do with my age or my speed the bend was rated a 35 mph turn and as we all no 5 more mph is always acceptable so do not critisize my driving plz ...
sry but this is all wrong. after you get a bit of experience you'll work out that driving safely is about driving to the road and conditions (varies according to a massive range of factors, your own vehicle and ability, other vehicle numbers, types, abilities, the road, the weather, the time of day etc etc.) speed limits are just suggestions for max speeds in ideal conditions.
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sry but this is all wrong. after you get a bit of experience you'll work out that driving safely is about driving to the road and conditions (varies according to a massive range of factors, your own vehicle and ability, other vehicle numbers, types, abilities, the road, the weather, the time of day etc etc.) speed limits are just suggestions for max speeds in ideal conditions.
exactly right.
do you know how many people look at me like i'm six kinds of stupid when i try to explain that to them?
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yep. that's what i was going for. intersections. especially heavily traveled ones. cars sit in traffic, leaking oil, and/or other fluids. add a little water, and you get what happened to you.
and the fairmont thing.......yep. ford built close to 26 cars on that chassis i think. the drivetrain from my wrecked mustang resides in a 78 fairmont futura.
*facepalm
you are, of course, correct. I have a nasty hill with a stoplight at the bottom in my morning drive. In non weather conditions as I top the rise I check the light, the amount of traffic (if it's green are they spread out meaning it might change yellow to red... start slowing and so on and yes during or after a rain I treat it like it's black ice).
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what i AM very very sorry about, is that the OP is taking this all as criticism.....i know i don't intend my statements as destructive....but rather constructive criticism.
i truly hope, that when he calms down, he'll come back and read this thread all over again, as he'll glean a lot of good advice from this, and learn.
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iv already learned enough from the crash sorry to say.
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here's a question for you . it's raining hard, you go to the mall. when you come out, it's pretty much stopped, and the roads are still somewhat wet.
which is more dangerous?
I'd probably say the 2nd one. I think it's the worst whenever it rained just enough to get the roads wet, but not enough to get all the oil and everything off the roads (especially in town by stop lights and everything.). My 'lil Mustang will start spinning tires everywhere no exceptions when that happens. (and I drive the damn thing like a granny anyways, my friends always give me hell for that too.)
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Well limbo0 I'm glad to here your alive for better or worse. Now since theres a Co position in your old squad and you almost died you can come back and be Co for the 2nd wing. You don't half to but your welcome to come back and run the squad with Swoops and everybody. Remember it's vox 177 just in case. Good luck and don't get in anymore car crashes or in your case rail crash. :salute
boy i oughta slap u stealthy , glad yer ok Limboni <S>
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iv already learned enough from the crash sorry to say.
no, no you haven't. in fact, if that is your true stance, i think it'd be safe to say you've learned nothing.
re-read the thread. look at all the advice here.
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One question for you CAP if I may: In an emergency braking (without ABS & no change of direction needed), is it better to lock up the wheels on a wet surface rather than having the tires kept at the point of maximal efficiency or "threshold braking"?
As to the seatbelt issue, last time I brought passengers with me, one of them didn't put on his seatbeat on. I had to argue with him to put it on because he didn't want to (said something about being stuck and possible need to get out in a hurry). Couldn't believe my ears about what he said. Also placing the seatbelt around your hip as low as possible might save you from internal abdominal injuries in the event of a head on crash.
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I'd probably say the 2nd one. I think it's the worst whenever it rained just enough to get the roads wet, but not enough to get all the oil and everything off the roads (especially in town by stop lights and everything.). My 'lil Mustang will start spinning tires everywhere no exceptions when that happens. (and I drive the damn thing like a granny anyways, my friends always give me hell for that too.)
and mustangs stop in the poor weather, about as well as they accelerate. :aok
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One question for you CAP if I may: In an emergency braking (without ABS & no change of direction needed), is it better to lock up the wheels on a wet surface rather than having the tires kept at the point of maximal efficiency or "threshold braking"?
As to the seatbelt issue, last time I brought passengers with me, one of them didn't put on his seatbeat on. I had to argue with him to put it on because he didn't want to (said something about being stuck and possible need to get out in a hurry). Couldn't believe my ears about what he said. Also placing the seatbelt around your hip as low as possible might save you from internal abdominal injuries in the event of a head on crash.
never deliberately lock your brakes. once you've done that, you've lost the ability to control the car. you'll go farther before you stop.
the key is to keep them just short of lockup, and you'll stop pretty quickly. i think it was rt that mentioned about possibly taking a performance driving course. this is an excellent idea, as it'll safely allow you to find your limits, as well as your cars, and learn to maximize them. i didn't have the benefit of such a course, but rather i learned by experimenting(playing) in big empty parking lots. these days, i don't recommend that.
i don't move my car, unless everyone in it is belted in. if they don't want to put it on, then they can hoof it. :aok
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Come to canada to learn about winter driving :) I have a 92 Mitsubishi Delica for the winter, and not exagerating anything, took it through a foot of snow last winter on the way to school, on a main road in the city, best winter vehicle I have ever owned, and now I am regretting buying a 94 GTO for the -2 months I can drive it here :(
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i was driving a ford superduty tow truck during the blizzard we had here in 1996. there was no cleared roads, as they weren't expecting it.
my winter driving is fine, although i learn something every time i go out in the snow.
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never deliberately lock your brakes. once you've done that, you've lost the ability to control the car. you'll go farther before you stop.
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I was just saying that because one website dedicated to performance driving (read that 1 year ago, don't sue me if I'm wrong) was stipulating that the only time that locking up your wheels was more effective was on a wet surface or thick gravel (the tire tread was not mentioned). It got me confused but like you just said, just the fact that your car may not keep the same orientation (loss of control) as the direction is it heading with completely locked wheels, overcomes the safety of the very slight braking distance performance increase.
From what I understand, depending on tire tread, surface weather, and brake bias front/read are all variables affecting this graph maximum brake threshold.
(http://thekartshop.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/braking-efficiency-300x228.png)
Note that tire slip is not proportional to the brake pressure applied on the wheel. One the static friction gives up, wheels will lock very easily.
Like for Imowface, there is snow 4-5months a year here and that gives a lot of practice occasions to "feel the car" and even tell which wheel is locking first. Its nice for some E-Brake drifting as well, even with a crappy FWD Saturn... but that's another story. :cool:
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Limb0o glad you're ok pal..& your friends as well.
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I was just saying that because one website dedicated to performance driving (read that 1 year ago, don't sue me if I'm wrong) was stipulating that the only time that locking up your wheels was more effective was on a wet surface or thick gravel (the tire tread was not mentioned). It got me confused but like you just said, just the fact that your car may not keep the same orientation (loss of control) as the direction is it heading with completely locked wheels, overcomes the safety of the very slight braking distance performance increase.
From what I understand, depending on tire tread, surface weather, and brake bias front/read are all variables affecting this graph maximum brake threshold.
(http://thekartshop.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/braking-efficiency-300x228.png)
Note that tire slip is not proportional to the brake pressure applied on the wheel. One the static friction gives up, wheels will lock very easily.
Like for Imowface, there is snow 4-5months a year here and that gives a lot of practice occasions to "feel the car" and even tell which wheel is locking first. Its nice for some E-Brake drifting as well, even with a crappy FWD Saturn... but that's another story. :cool:
well, don't forget, when you apply your brakes, you're using the friction from the brake pads/shoes to convert your kinetic energy into heat energy, and then the rotors shed that heat. for this to happen, you need the tires to continue turning until you're stopped.
once your tires are locked and not spinning anymore, now you're not converting that energy as efficiently.
one of the problems i used to see a lot when i towed, was that people in accidents, would simply slam the brake pedal. once the tires locked, so did they....they didn't know what to do next, which is somewhat frightening when it gets right down to it.
many many moons ago, when i still had my maverick, i was delivering pizzas in it. sitting at a traffic light, #3 in line, but i stopped short of the guy in front of me by about 6 feet. that 6 feet saved my life. i happened to glance in my mirror when i heard a noise i couldn't account for. there was a 70's era lincoln barreling down on me, coming straight at me, wheels locked, and turned all the way left(and yes i could see them). i cranked my wheel hard right, and hammered the throttle, and drove up the curb, next to the guy in front of me. this gave lincoln dude enough time to figure out he had to let go of the brake pedal to make the car turn. thankfully he missed everyone.
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boy i oughta slap u stealthy , glad yer ok Limboni <S>
Mr stealthy to you greeny.
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well, don't forget, when you apply your brakes, you're using the friction from the brake pads/shoes to convert your kinetic energy into heat energy, and then the rotors shed that heat. for this to happen, you need the tires to continue turning until you're stopped.
once your tires are locked and not spinning anymore, now you're not converting that energy as efficiently.
one of the problems i used to see a lot when i towed, was that people in accidents, would simply slam the brake pedal. once the tires locked, so did they....they didn't know what to do next, which is somewhat frightening when it gets right down to it.
many many moons ago, when i still had my maverick, i was delivering pizzas in it. sitting at a traffic light, #3 in line, but i stopped short of the guy in front of me by about 6 feet. that 6 feet saved my life. i happened to glance in my mirror when i heard a noise i couldn't account for. there was a 70's era lincoln barreling down on me, coming straight at me, wheels locked, and turned all the way left(and yes i could see them). i cranked my wheel hard right, and hammered the throttle, and drove up the curb, next to the guy in front of me. this gave lincoln dude enough time to figure out he had to let go of the brake pedal to make the car turn. thankfully he missed everyone.
Oh my... I think that's a good enough argument to force me to keep a good distance behind the other cars at a stop light from now on. Figured no one was moving and distance didn't matter so...
As for braking in a straight line, when taking a highway exit, all I see are perfectly straight heavy brake marks on the pavement.
It feels good talking about this like I know how to drive but until I experience a true emergency, I can't tell whether or not that will be true. Maybe that's why my father and sister won't listen to me when I want to tell them the technical aspects of braking, emergency, engine performance, transmission, etc... No one also wants to be corrected on their driving anyway.
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Oh my... I think that's a good enough argument to force me to keep a good distance behind the other cars at a stop light from now on. Figured no one was moving and distance didn't matter so...
As for braking in a straight line, when taking a highway exit, all I see are perfectly straight heavy brake marks on the pavement.
It feels good talking about this like I know how to drive but until I experience a true emergency, I can't tell whether or not that will be true. Maybe that's why my father and sister won't listen to me when I want to tell them the technical aspects of braking, emergency, engine performance, transmission, etc... No one also wants to be corrected on their driving anyway.
your last statement is true of about 99.9999999% of us.........
with regards to talking to your dad........try asking him his advice...like give him a scenario, and ask what he'd do in it, and what he'd say you should do in it.
also, like rtholmes mentioned......see if there's any performance driving schools near you. you may never see a race track besides those lessons, but it'll teach you how to REALLY handle your car....and in a safe learning environment too. :aok
i did most of my learning by screwing around when traffic was light late at nights......something i would NOT recommend these days, with our ticket happy men in blue, and with our sue-happy society.
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Despite whatever any of these cats have said, I'm glad you're alright and made the best split second decision with the choices offered.. Kudos to you..
And I hope your friends are alright as well.. The guy you had to swerve to avoid will get his one day.. And to be honest, as Ink has said, seat belts don't really matter when it comes down to it..
When it's your time, it's your time.. I know one guy in particular who rear ended a semi-tractor trailer and the only reason he survived was because he hopped in the backseat before he hit..
The highway he was on was ice covered at the time.. The truck was able to stop, my friend was not.. If he'd had his seat belt fastened, he would've been decapitated..
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Yeah when I had my 83 Ford Fairmont I would have to put a couple 50lb bags of sand in my trunk for the winters because it was a rear wheel drive, the added weight really helps with control.
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When it's your time, it's your time.. I know one guy in particular who rear ended a semi-tractor trailer and the only reason he survived was because he hopped in the backseat before he hit..
The highway he was on was ice covered at the time.. The truck was able to stop, my friend was not.. If he'd had his seat belt fastened, he would've been decapitated..
Just remember situations like this are exception not the rule, your much better off having it on then off, and I'm sure that you weren't advocating the non use of seat-belts, but there are some people out there that hear stories like this and then get it in there heads that it's better to have it off then on.
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Just remember situations like this exception not the rule, you much better off having it on then off, and I'm sure that you weren't advocating the non use of seat-belts, but there are some people out there that hear stories like this and then get it in there heads that it's better to have it off then on.
all i know, is that when something hits my car, or my car hits something, i do not wish to continue traveling at whatever speed as the car comes to a halt
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A good place to practice defensive driving and winter driving is driving on a frozen lake. ;)
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oohh that looks like soooooooo much fun!!!!!
if we actually had any here in nj, i'd find an excuse to be out there on it/
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A good place to practice defensive driving and winter driving is driving on a frozen lake. ;)
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That's nice.... Here's the men's course. ;)
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That's a 37" BFG KM2....
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That's nice.... Here's the men's course. ;)
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That's a 37" BFG KM2....
i drove a ford f-450 superduty wheel lift tow truck through snow deeper than that dude. back in 96 here in south jersey.
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That's nice.... Here's the men's course. ;)
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That's a 37" BFG KM2....
my old izuzu diesel would go thru 15 inches snow locked in, in fact it would go thru alot more, just not enough ground clearence to stop and restart :) thats why you have those big tires, hows your gas mileage?
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i drove a ford f-450 superduty wheel lift tow truck through snow deeper than that dude. back in 96 here in south jersey.
I drove a Chevy Cavalier through snow deeper than that in Iowa last winter. All ya need is a running start and a good head of steam. :D
EDIT: And a shovel...
That does look like a blast though.
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I drove a Chevy Cavalier through snow deeper than that in Iowa last winter. All ya need is a running start and a good head of steam. :D
EDIT: And a shovel...
That does look like a blast though.
yea, it does. i had driven my 70 chevy 4x4 through stuff like that too. that chevy never got stuck, and she didn't need 37 inchers either. :aok
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i drove a ford f-450 superduty wheel lift tow truck through snow deeper than that dude. back in 96 here in south jersey.
When I had my 96 F-150, around Jan. 2nd of 1999, we had a tremendous snow storm come through Metro Detroit. The snow on I-96 when I left work, was at the top of my bumper (sitting on 31" BFG Mud Terrains). When I pulled into our old apartment complex, it was up to the crest of my hood (almost 4'?). For over a week the snow was about the depth of my tires. I had a blast with that 5.0L, 5 speed for a couple of weeks.
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I skipped through most this thread...
went around a corner at 40 mph dumb yes but shouldnt have caused a crash but some jackoff came around the otherway goin faster and in my lane i chose to hit the guard rail instead of him still dk who it was he never stopped.
A car heavy with three friends in it would need to be going an arseton faster than 40mph (you're claimed initital speed) to clear a 20ft hard bank (and I'm assuming this bank was "soft" too...) AND get air.... O.o Also going that fast you would of had time to of slowed down to less than 30 or 25 before exiting the pavement and hitting the bank, assuming you weren't accelerating through the turn, which unless it was a steep uphill grade you shouldn't of been doing with a car full of people... ok, I'll stop acting like your dad now.
You're young and will soon learn it often takes two idiots if not one for an accident to happen, even to one car. Nothing you can do about it except not be an idiot and anticipate everyone else as one, toejam happens, and a lot on the road.
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I skipped through most this thread...
A car heavy with three friends in it would need to be going an arseton faster than 40mph (you're claimed initital speed) to clear a 20ft hard bank (and I'm assuming this bank was "soft" too...) AND get air.... O.o Also going that fast you would of had time to of slowed down to less than 30 or 25 before exiting the pavement and hitting the bank, assuming you weren't accelerating through the turn, which unless it was a steep uphill grade you shouldn't of been doing with a car full of people... ok, I'll stop acting like your dad now.
You're young and will soon learn it often takes two idiots if not one for an accident to happen, even to one car. Nothing you can do about it except not be an idiot and anticipate everyone else as one, toejam happens, and a lot on the road.
problem was i never had a chance to break difficult to work your feet when the car has turned sideways and idk if uv ever been ina prelude but there small and im fairly sure if i did hit the break i hit the gas too im 6'3 245 pounds and wear a size 15 shoe............ it wasa tid bit tight and the hill was mainly hardpacked rocks and dirt and about 5 ft high didnt take much to get up over it with air
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"relax dude. My dad is a television repair man. He has this ULTIMATE set of tools. We can fix it."
You wanna go fast? Take it to the track.
Run yourself into a guard rail and kill yourself for all I care. Aint no hair off my butt one way or the other.
But running into me and killing me would upset me greatly.
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I'm not one to judge nor am I going to be mean if I do know the fact. Better property lost than life.