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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dichotomy on August 19, 2010, 10:45:18 AM
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What do you guys think?
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LED.
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LED.
Why?
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240Hz LED...at this point, top of the food chain. (note- depends on the brand too)
Otherwise 240Hz standard LCD.
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Plasma 600Mhz...sure they consume more power but they have a better refresh rate and the colors are much better. Besides the new ones last longer than the LED or LCD televisions.
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Plasma 600Mhz...sure they consume more power but they have a better refresh rate and the colors are much better. Besides the new ones last longer than the LED or LCD televisions.
:O That's pure conjecture. The latest generation of plasma hasn't been out long enough to even consider life expectancy. Still a hit and miss. The picture quality on the plasma is only marginally better when you go over the 47 inch mark and they are even from 42 down, the lighting has to be in normal to low light environment where the brightness of the plasma has an edge. Put it in a brighter lit area and the LCD doesn't look washed out, or bothered by glare. The one area where plasma constantly trumps LCD is motion blur, doesn't happen on plasma where even with 240Hz refresh rates, it can be noticeable on LCDs. Plasma still has an issue with image burn in, though even semi intelligent people don't let them sit for days with a static image on the screen. Plasma still uses twice as much power as LCD and they get hot.
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i have a 46" LCD Samsung great pic really nice TV. then i saw the 46" Samsung LED, i did a side by side comparison at the store ( they still had my model) the salesman hooked them up side by side, needless to say i bought the LED, the picture is far more crystal clear it almost looks real, like you want to reach out and touch it, Now my LCD has the same processor speed (240MHz) and built in games, internet capable, PC capable, Keyboard/mouse 7.1 Digital sound and so on, i like the fact that the LED unit comes equipped the same features as the LCD, which now occupies my office
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I personally like higher end Plasmas over higher end LCDs. To me, the blacks are darker and the colors are richer.
I never cared for the 120Mhz and 240Mhz function on the newer LCDs. It feels like I'm watching a daytime soap opera.
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Just bought a 60" Samsung Plasma to replace my Vizio 46" plasma that i have had for 3 years.
Looks Awesome. :aok
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46 inch Sony Bravia LCD is what I run. Had it for just over a year now and I love it. Combined with HDTV and so on it has a very clear picture, great sound (combined with surround sound) and both DVD's and BluRay look fantastic.
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Plasma is where its at.
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In my opinion, comes down to what you can afford.
Currently 23" LCD I'm running was only 199$
If I could afford it, I'd jump all over a 42" plasma, but until the price gets down below 300$ I just don't see that as a viable option for me.
The one chance I had to see the same display on both LCD and Plasma, plasma was the clear winner for color and clarity.
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I sell these things, and last Christmas I pulled the trigger and bought one.
I sell samsung, toshiba,sony,panasonic,etc, and also looked at brands we don't sell at Best Buy.
The 46" Samsung LED picture was superior to anything I could find.
Its 120hz refresh rate is more than adequete for my needs.
When I looked at 120hz models vs. 240 Hz models, my eye could not see ANY difference. :O
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I personally like higher end Plasmas over higher end LCDs. To me, the blacks are darker and the colors are richer.
I never cared for the 120Mhz and 240Mhz function on the newer LCDs. It feels like I'm watching a daytime soap opera.
Picture settings is all that comes down to. Used to be one of my favorite tricks to get more commission on a sale. The high end units didn't pay as much commission as the mid range units did...sooo...a little "fine tuning" made the mid-range units a little more appealing. That and picking the right demo to use for both sets.
Being a customer, before you buy, get into the menus and reset to default then check to see what standard adjustments do to the picture quality.
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Picture settings is all that comes down to. Used to be one of my favorite tricks to get more commission on a sale. The high end units didn't pay as much commission as the mid range units did...sooo...a little "fine tuning" made the mid-range units a little more appealing. That and picking the right demo to use for both sets.
Being a customer, before you buy, get into the menus and reset to default then check to see what standard adjustments do to the picture quality.
Yeah, I do that when looking at TVs. I also read quite a bit before I go into a store (electronics, car dealer, anything really), so I'm narrowed down to a handful or less of the particular item.
But, that said, I have several friends who have high end A/V equipment, and their Kuros are just more pleasing to me than the high end Sony and Samsung LCDs some other friends have. I've really never compared smaller LCDs to Plasmas.
I'm still running a 57" Sony Rear Projection monstrosity, but it won't die. Not that I'm complaining about not having to shell out cash for another TV!
1Boner - do you use the motion effect often, or mainly for sports.
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Plasma
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Nilsen :salute I was wondering where you were just yesterday.
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Well now you know :) Im right here ;)
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and still a large part of my photobucket account :D
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:rofl
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OLED. :noid
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What do you guys think?
How dark/bright is your room that it will be going into?
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dark to the point that I need lights on during the day to keep from bumping into things
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dark to the point that I need lights on during the day to keep from bumping into things
:O When you turn the lights on would they create glare on a shiny semi-reflective surface?
If not, then you would really like plasma in there.
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i don't leave the light on when I'm watching tv or flying
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LEDs all the way. have LCD but plasma is still inferior to both LCD and LED. the sharpness of almost all LEDs is almost 1,000-10,000 times as sharp as an LCD
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dark to the point that I need lights on during the day to keep from bumping into things
Plasma or even a Front Projector. LCD and LED's do NOT have the Black Level Quality that a Plasma has. A Front Projector is at home in a very dark room and Black Levels improve the darker the room is.
Don't even bother with LCD or LED.
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LEDs all the way. have LCD but plasma is still inferior to both LCD and LED. the sharpness of almost all LEDs is almost 1,000-10,000 times as sharp as an LCD
Indeed but atleast IMO Plasma is more pleasing to the eyes if you watch TV for awhile. Alot less strain on the eyeballs.
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Heres a great article that compares all three types there pros and cons of all, they tested LG brand.
http://asia.cnet.com/buyingguides/home_av/0,39066264,61985379-3,00.htm (http://asia.cnet.com/buyingguides/home_av/0,39066264,61985379-3,00.htm)
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LCD and LED's do NOT have the Black Level Quality that a Plasma has.
There's not very much difference at all any more between the infamous "black levels" on LED or plasma.
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OLED. :noid
Hafta to sell my car to get one,
And last I heard, the biggest screen they could make was somewhere around 9 inches.
Things may have changed since I last read about them, BUT, I'd bet you'd still have to sell your soul to get one. :devil
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Hafta to sell my car to get one,
And last I heard, the biggest screen they could make was somewhere around 9 inches.
Things may have changed since I last read about them, BUT, I'd bet you'd still have to sell your soul to get one. :devil
well 1Boner if you can get one for the cost of "your" soul....then i should be able to get one for what 19.95 plus shipping and handling???? oh wait and if i order now they will send me a second one for free! just pay seperate handling!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
how ya doing bro?! everything good?? :salute
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There's not very much difference at all any more between the infamous "black levels" on LED or plasma.
I've yet to decent a decent Black Level on an LED. They still champion the "burn-in" on Plasmas and those days are long gone.
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I'm a huge Crutchfield fan, and they have some of the best information on the web with respect to comparisons, IMO...
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-x0JjmG0arpb/learn/learningcenter/home/tv_flatpanel.html
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wow
how in heck did I forget about Crutchfield?
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My first post still stands. It's your money Dicho. But don't buy based on "myths", you'll regret it.
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I've yet to decent a decent Black Level on an LED. They still champion the "burn-in" on Plasmas and those days are long gone.
Mmmmm, I see it every day.
I agree with about the "burn in" on plasmas, those days ARE long gone.
However!, I have a 55" Samsung LED hanging on the wall in the same room as a 60 some odd inch Samsung plasma.
Standing in front of both, you'd be real hard pressed to see any difference in "black" levels.
Of course there are "instruments" for measuring the differences in black levels and contrast ratios, BUT those differences for the most part cannot be seen by the human eye.
Kinda like the 120 vs. 240 refresh rate myth.
If I calibrated 2 tvs, 1 with 120 and 1 with 240 hz. I'd bet you could not tell me which one was which.
The same holds true for the LED vs Plasma "black" levels.
The average Joe cannot tell the difference.
But if you're talking a 60 refresh rate, now there you will see quite a difference between 60 and 120.
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Mmmmm, I see it every day.
I agree with about the "burn in" on plasmas, those days ARE long gone.
However!, I have a 55" Samsung LED hanging on the wall in the same room as a 60 some odd inch Samsung plasma.
Standing in front of both, you'd be real hard pressed to see any difference in "black" levels.
Of course there are "instruments" for measuring the differences in black levels and contrast ratios, BUT those differences for the most part cannot be seen by the human eye.
Kinda like the 120 vs. 240 refresh rate myth.
If I calibrated 2 tvs, 1 with 120 and 1 with 240 hz. I'd bet you could not tell me which one was which.
The same holds true for the LED vs Plasma "black" levels.
The average Joe cannot tell the difference.
But if you're talking a 60 refresh rate, now there you will see quite a difference between 60 and 120.
Bottom line with no further pissing contests. Dark Room = Plasma or Front Projector.
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My first post still stands. It's your money Dicho. But don't buy based on "myths", you'll regret it.
Concur Mash
I've got a 46" Samsung plasma that I really like (under $450 last December) but, based on what I'm hearing and reading, if I wanted to buy something for the living room which is always bright I might want to consider the LED or LCD or get better curtains (probably cheaper).
Thanks for all the help gents especially the link to Crutchfield. I seriously had forgotten about them and I used to buy all of my E stuff from them.
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I went down this path a year and a half ago as my first HDTV. After researching between LCD and Plasma (LED was just hitting the market) and viewing different models in the store I pulled the trigger on a Panasonic Viera 42" Plasma. Uses about 480-500 Watts when on, but boy I love this TV. I have a smaller Samsung LCD in the bedroom, but I;d take Plasma almost every time compared to what I've experienced in the real world with LCD at friends/family/bars etc.
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I have a 42" LG LCD and its great...been tweaked to the max and its a wonderful set...however it doesn't hold a candle to the 52" Samsung Plasma that is going to take its place in the main viewing room downstairs when I get that finished. I picked it up last winter after going and looking at the LED Samsungs that were being praised as the best. HH Gregg had all the Samsung line up arrayed from low end to high end plasma. I bought the Plasma that was next to the super high end LED LCD...why...simply because in my view it was better than the high end LED. When I went to check out I got a surprise in the fact that the plasma was $800 LOWER in price than the LED for the same size and better quality.
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Question? Is the new Sharp Quattron hype or not?
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Think I have the same unit Fulmar.
I do know that my wife and I have been totally happy with the 42" plasma we have in the living room.
Our friends complain that all we do is stay home and watch TV. :)
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I recently bought a Samsung 55" LED. I've been very pleased with the color and sharpness.
The LED is super thin too, and was fairly light. I hung it on the wall myself, fished the wires and put a new electrical outlight behind it (appearantly you're not supposed to run the plug wire into and out of a wall). Saved about $600 on the installation from the Best Buy geek squad.
LED is the newest stuff on the block though, so you pay a premium for it. The plasmas are really marked down now.
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I personally like higher end Plasmas over higher end LCDs. To me, the blacks are darker and the colors are richer.
I never cared for the 120Mhz and 240Mhz function on the newer LCDs. It feels like I'm watching a daytime soap opera.
I feel the same way, it looks really odd, like you say a daytime soap opera!
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There's not very much difference at all any more between the infamous "black levels" on LED or plasma.
There is still a big difference, particularly in the detail available in those blacks. Just yesterday I was standing in our showroom looking at an LED and a plasma side by side. The scene was a indoors and the character on screen had a black jacket on. Watching the LED you could see he had a black jacket on. On the plasma you could see that the jacket and embroidery and other details/highlights that simply weren't visible on the other set.
The Problem comes with out plasmas and LCD/LED's generate light to produce the image. Plasmas use a matrix of cells that when supplied with current emit colored light (typicially red, green, blue). If the scene is dark the plasma can choose which pixels aren't lit on an individual basis, no light equals black.
LCD's have a back light, if they want black they can close the individual crystal elements but the light is still there, this is why LCD's have traditionally struggled with black levels. LED technology was a huge step forward because it allowed a processor to control the back light on the fly, and began to approximate what was possible with plasma. The first LED/LCD's had the illuminating elements in line behind the LCD's, however in order to get the TV"s thin they had to move to an edge-lit system which sacrificed some performance.
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52" Sharp Aquos LCD 1080p in the living room... Love it, HD programming is excellent.
Kids have a 37" (IIRC) Samsung LCD in the den 720p, very nice set. Smaller screen size and the picture looks just as sharp as the 1080 on the big set.
Looked at plasma but nothing looked as good in my opinion, plus the Sharp was on sale with a price I couldn't walk away from (I had actually gone in that day to buy Panasonic Viera).
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it's all personal preference, just make sure your happy with whatever you buy :aok
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Indeed but atleast IMO Plasma is more pleasing to the eyes if you watch TV for awhile. Alot less strain on the eyeballs.
i've never had to strain my eyes either by playing this game or by watching TV yet... :cool:
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My 2 cents on the subject...
When I shopped for a TV last year the image quality difference seemed pretty negligible in my opinion, but costs were a factor. For me, plasma was out of contention for very simple reasons, it uses twice the power and pretty much generates twice the heat. This is a serious issue as if you leave the TV on all the time that will add up on the power bill bigtime. On top of that the 47" LCD I went with coupled with my computer and it's 27" LCD side by side in the same room actually generate a LOT of heat. On a warm day I wouldn't want to run both the computer and TV at the same time or I'd have to bust out the window air conditioner too. It would be an oven with a Plasma screen in here. My choice ultimately came down to shopping the local stores and comparing the various models based on price and overall I've been pleased with the TV and PC monitor I got.
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Plasma is prone to flickering especialy on computer images.
I watched a 600hz sub-field version and each music video title horizontal bar was flickering like nuts. No thanks.
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Question? Is the new Sharp Quattron hype or not?
i just saw a test of the 46" (google it and it comes up on top) and they are impressed with it
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i just saw a test of the 46" (google it and it comes up on top) and they are impressed with it
TY.
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I bought the Samsung 61" LED DLP. Was hands down the best choice. Black is black..... Picture outstanding.
Low power consumption and excellent picture/ color quality.
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My 2 cents on the subject...
When I shopped for a TV last year the image quality difference seemed pretty negligible in my opinion, but costs were a factor. For me, plasma was out of contention for very simple reasons, it uses twice the power and pretty much generates twice the heat. This is a serious issue as if you leave the TV on all the time that will add up on the power bill bigtime. On top of that the 47" LCD I went with coupled with my computer and it's 27" LCD side by side in the same room actually generate a LOT of heat. On a warm day I wouldn't want to run both the computer and TV at the same time or I'd have to bust out the window air conditioner too. It would be an oven with a Plasma screen in here. My choice ultimately came down to shopping the local stores and comparing the various models based on price and overall I've been pleased with the TV and PC monitor I got.
heat from LCDs? what heat?... :headscratch: i have a large LCD TV and a small LCD monitor. both are cooler than my AC itself!