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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: pinewood on September 07, 2010, 07:54:19 AM
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Hows about a new plane ?
Yokosuka MXY7 ''Ohka''
Rocket powered,human flown.
Wonder if you could change settings so that when you crash it into something(you,of course would still die,it is after all a kamikaze) it would damage or destroy whatever it was you flew into.
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Hey pinewood, this has been asked before, has been deemed lacking in respect to those who gave their lives so bravely in kamikaze attacks. I would not mind the idea, but I am respectfull that to Japanese players it would be an upsetting thing to witness. Just like the removal of swastikas from the game, kamikaze is probably never gunna happen.
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Good point.
Just got into aces high recently(off line practice only so far.)
So I was wondering why there where no swastikas.
This sim is just incredible !!!!
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You know,that's really something to think about.
I'm former military and I"m definitely one of those guys whom does believe in having respect for fellow military members,friend or enemy,with some exceptions (could never respect members of the SS,especially those who ran the concentration camps.)I remember escape and evasion class,where we were briefed on how to behave as prisoners of war,and it really freaked me out at first to find out that as a prisoner,military courtesy was to be extended to ENEMY personell. For instance,if you were brought before the camps commandant,you definitely WOULD have to salute him. If I had been in a war( or maybe only peace time),I would be one of those guys you would see at say a reunion for former enemies.
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Oh yes, well you will make friends fast here then. A lot of ex-military folk lurking. (not me I'm a slacker)
Welcome! If you make it to online mode the whole game will double in fun. You may also find yourself on fire more often, but it is worth it.
Salute!
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Flew on the Japanese side in the re-enactment of Pearl last year and although this is a game/sim if it does'nt make people stop and think once in a while you must be extremely thick skinned.
On a lighter note welcome to Aces High Pinewood :) <S>
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Ohka would be interesting to have, but at the same time, you would need two people................ One to fly the bomber, and the other to commit suicide.
Not to mention the BETTY............ :aok
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Ohka would be interesting to have, but at the same time, you would need two people................ One to fly the bomber, and the other to commit suicide.
Not to mention the BETTY............ :aok
We already have A Betty in game. Isn't one enough?
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Hi pindwood, i am Oaktree! nice to meet you!
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She'd never be able to carry the ohka........ :rofl
We already have A Betty in game. Isn't one enough?
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She'd never be able to carry the ohka........ :rofl
Maybe she could, it weighs less than she does.
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Good point.
Just got into aces high recently(off line practice only so far.)
So I was wondering why there where no swastikas.
This sim is just incredible !!!!
Technically the swastika is illegal in Germany. Even in a simple video game it's against the law. This is an international game, available to anybody in the world with an internet connection. To keep it legal in Germany (and there are a number of Germans that fly this game!) these must be absent.
Kamikaze, while also being insensitive (as Batfink said) would also be horribly bad gameplay in my opinion. On the surface of it, who wants some suicide remtard pilot with no skill to spoil my gameplay fun by killing the last hangar, or by sinking my carrier? On the deeper level why would I want to do that from a first person point of view? Where does that get fun?
In general I think there's a major reason you don't see tons of flight games that include "kamikaze" mode... It don't work and it leaves a sour taste in your gut when you think about it.
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I don't really think it would be insensitive, considering those pilots knew exactly what they were doing and exactly what the consequences would be.
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I say that we should have it, and afterwards, you aren't allowed to fly for 2 months :D
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Maybe she could, it weighs less than she does.
A little below the belt mate.
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I don't really think it would be insensitive, considering those pilots knew exactly what they were doing and exactly what the consequences would be.
Most of them were blindly following a dogmatic belief that the emperor was a god and kept ignorant intentionally so as to be ruled by said emperor. Such practices are still alive in parts of the world today.
Doesn't mean the people knew what they were doing, if they were lied to and misled their entire lives. To them there simply was no way of objecting, saying "No, I don't wanna do this" -- and basically most were unskilled civilians rushed through rudimentary flight school with no skills whatsoever.
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I say that we should have it, and afterwards, you aren't allowed to fly for 2 months :D
Nah, make you pay 200 bomber points to crash a Val into a CV for 4k damage.
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Most of them were blindly following a dogmatic belief that the emperor was a god and kept ignorant intentionally so as to be ruled by said emperor. Such practices are still alive in parts of the world today.
Doesn't mean the people knew what they were doing, if they were lied to and misled their entire lives. To them there simply was no way of objecting, saying "No, I don't wanna do this" -- and basically most were unskilled civilians rushed through rudimentary flight school with no skills whatsoever.
They twisted the samurai code to make it look like kamikaze was OK.
I agree with you 100%, but they all knew that they WOULD die.
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But if you're brainwashed that death in the name of the emperor means nothing bad will happen, do they REALLY know what death is?
That's a debate for another time I suppose. We're both on the same page.
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But if you're brainwashed that death in the name of the emperor means nothing bad will happen, do they REALLY know what death is?
Never thought about it like that.
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Welcome to the asylum Pinewood :cheers:
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But if you're brainwashed that death in the name of the emperor means nothing bad will happen, do they REALLY know what death is?
That's a debate for another time I suppose. We're both on the same page.
It's really not much different than suicide bombers who believe that they will spend the rest of eternity with 72 virgins...
All I want to know is.. how do they know that they aren't MALE virgins?!
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Krusty,
You ought to read some of the history on the kamikazes. While I am sure some were a human approximation of the unthinking, unfeeling robots you claim they all were, most were not. Most were young men who saw no way out of a horrible situation and despite not wanting to die, followed through on what they were told they had to do for a wide number of personal reasons.
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Tough call Brotha........... If you have every spoken to any Marines that fought on one of those islands in the SoPac, you would hear stories of men, women, children, jumping from the top of cliffs. Japanese soldiers killing eachother so as not to be captured. The social hierarchy in Japan was so structured with silly things (even to this day), that I find it hard to believe many of those kamikaze pilots had a problem with their given job knowing that they were saving their families. (at least what they were told)
Krusty,
You ought to read some of the history on the kamikazes. While I am sure some were a human approximation of the unthinking, unfeeling robots you claim they all were, most were not. Most were young men who saw no way out of a horrible situation and despite not wanting to die, followed through on what they were told they had to do for a wide number of personal reasons.
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Most of them were blindly following a dogmatic belief that the emperor was a god and kept ignorant intentionally so as to be ruled by said emperor. Such practices are still alive in parts of the world today.
Doesn't mean the people knew what they were doing, if they were lied to and misled their entire lives. To them there simply was no way of objecting, saying "No, I don't wanna do this" -- and basically most were unskilled civilians rushed through rudimentary flight school with no skills whatsoever.
You should watch the documentary "Wings of Defeat" and you'll see that most had a love for their country, hated the hypocrisy of their leaders, loathed the idea of dying but had a strong sense of duty and felt there was no other real option. You'll also see that the Kamikazi pilot was hardly "unskilled civilians" as the recruits were considered to be amongst Japanese "elite". The majority of recruits were made up of college and former college students with a third of the kamikazi pilots being army and navy officers. The reason why there was such a large number of college and former college students was that the regular Japanese army and navy pilots refused to volunteer for the Special Attack Force, in fact not one single kamikazi was a graduate of the army or navy air academies. It was because of the inability to secure recruits from the army and navy that led to the mass recruitment of college and former college students.
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LLogann,
The Japanese certainly believed a lot of misinformation about what would happen to them if they fell into US hands, but these guys were not going "Hooray! I get to slam myself into an American ship at 350mph!"
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It's really not much different than suicide bombers who believe that they will spend the rest of eternity with 72 virgins...
All I want to know is.. how do they know that they aren't MALE virgins?!
It will be 72 trekkies.
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Ack Ack I don't buy that revisionist romanticized view of them. Calling them the "elite" is also a laugh. While one or two notable people performed it (and were used as martyrs by the Empire afterwards to promote it) the majority (note I said "most") were untrained and rushed through training.
Just like the Soviet Union did to its civilians pushed into the ground war, and just like North Korea does today, they were brainwashed in a total environment of lies and fanaticism.
Why do you think terrorists recruit at college campuses in the US for the past 50 years? Radicals, extremists all over the world also look for the young and naive, those looking for a path.
You got 2 paths: religion and teenagers in college.
In Japan the religion wouldn't fly (a la US cults, sects, etc), so the next step before marching mom and pop from the fishing villages to the meat grinder was to see how many they could dupe, con, or conive into doing it before rounding them up at gunpoint.
It's been seen many times in history, and repainting it as heroic is just an abuse to the greater truth: These folks were bred into ignorance, servitude, and had no options or hope.
EDIT: Disclaimer: Ignorance does not denote lack of education. One can be taught physics, math, and still be totally ignorant of the world and of their potential as human beings.
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Ack Ack I don't buy that revisionist romanticized view of them. Calling them the "elite" is also a laugh. While one or two notable people performed it (and were used as martyrs by the Empire afterwards to promote it) the majority (note I said "most") were untrained and rushed through training.
It's not revisionism, it's the truth that is backed up by the historical record. In fact, the documentary "Wings of Death" could hardly be considered a 'revisionist romantic view' of the kamikazi. It's actually a very damning piece of work that shows how the military sentenced these recruits to die because the military could not admit or accept defeat. The interviews with surviving kamikazi pilots showed that they were neither fanatical or suicidal. In one of the interviews, one of the survivors tells how sometimes they would put in an extra pilot to ensure that the primary pilot didn't chicken out and if he did, the 2nd pilot was to kill the first and take over the controls to finish the mission. Hardly a procedure if they were fanatical or suicidal. In another interview, the survivor explains how they had orders not to attack if they couldn't see their targets and to return to base so as not to 'waste their death' and that one pilot returned nine times and was then put in front of a firing squad and executed for not doing his 'duty'.
Why do you think that none of the graduates of the army or navy air academies volunteered or why such a low number of kamikazi pilots were taken from the ranks of the army and navy pilots? Because they didn't want to die.
The notion that they were fanatical and suicidal was purely the work of the Japanese propoganda machine in order to portray them as willing volunteers when in fact the vast majority were forcibly drafted.
Once you take a look behind the propoganda (mostly Japanese), it's a really tragic story.
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A little below the belt mate.
a little? :huh betty's one of the more fun flyers i've had the chance to know. especially in KOTH.
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Hey pinewood, this has been asked before, has been deemed lacking in respect to those who gave their lives so bravely in kamikaze attacks. I would not mind the idea, but I am respectfull that to Japanese players it would be an upsetting thing to witness. Just like the removal of swastikas from the game, kamikaze is probably never gunna happen.
well did you know that in like 1943 or something the japanes had aculy been forced to do kamakazes if thay knew thay wer going down?
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well did you know that in like 1943 or something the japanes had aculy been forced to do kamakazes if thay knew thay wer going down?
Where do you get this load of crap? Certainly not any history books because I seriously doubt you've ever cracked one open or seen what one looks like.
In a lot of cases if the pilot was going to die anyway, he would crash his plane into something in a "if I'm gonna go down, I'm gonna take someone with me" kind of thing. They weren't forced, no more than pilots of other countries that did the same.
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Where do you get this load of crap? Certainly not any history books because I seriously doubt you've ever cracked one open or seen what one looks like.
In a lot of cases if the pilot was going to die anyway, he would crash his plane into something in a "if I'm gonna go down, I'm gonna take someone with me" kind of thing. They weren't forced, no more than pilots of other countries that did the same.
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it was on the history channle
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it was on the history channle
LOL! The History Channel also had a show that said the P-51D had 6x 50mm cannons.
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realy thats sad well the never mind.
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I don't really think it would be insensitive, considering those pilots knew exactly what they were doing and exactly what the consequences would be.
Seriously people this is a VIDEO GAME....whether or not someone is offended shouldnt concern you.....its their life if they dont like it no one is forcing them to play.....and im sure when given a choice they would rather just ignore it, than choose to not play.
Tho i think that they dont enable the damage on crash for a reason cuz then you would have people crashing in to what ever they can find when they get damaged enough....already people crash in to tanks and what have you but they dont damage the tank...as someone once put it, its more like an "act of defiance".
Id rather play the game to fly the planes and get in to dog fights not play the game so i can fly to a destination and then crash in to it...i can do that already if wanted too...but that would just be stupid if i did.
and that German crap its one of the more stable and better countries in Europe. Yet still id rather not live their since they limit freedoms as they do....you start by limiting the swastika....and then what is going to be illegal next saying things that go against the govt even if they happen to be true, and are legitimate concerns.
Remember this is a video game its not real, it cant hurt you, nor can it offend you (you can be ignorant and be offended or you can be reasonable and inteligent and realize that the game isnt out to offend or infringe on your sensibilities)...The problem isnt with the game its with the way people think...people think they are entitled to live life and never be offended and if they are they sue someone or try and make a law against it, which is just childish at best.
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LOL! The History Channel also had a show that said the P-51D had 6x 50mm cannons.
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I'd love to see what the arms of the armorer on THAT plane looked like :lol
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Most of them were blindly following a dogmatic belief that the emperor was a god and kept ignorant intentionally so as to be ruled by said emperor. Such practices are still alive in parts of the world today.
Doesn't mean the people knew what they were doing, if they were lied to and misled their entire lives. To them there simply was no way of objecting, saying "No, I don't wanna do this" -- and basically most were unskilled civilians rushed through rudimentary flight school with no skills whatsoever.
they were stupid they allowed them selves to be dominated by the govt and if people dont start waking up here in the USA the same kind of stuff will happen....
They had a choice still and they still choose the easy way out...that the emperor is god he makes my choices and my decisions for me and what he says goes...
They could have objected and be killed sure...but think about it this way....the nazi soldiers who used the "Nuremberg defense" even though they knew their orders were wrong on every level....they still choose to carry them out...at the time they would have been killed for not following orders...but then again after the war they were sentenced to death anyways.
That is why soldiers or police or any other profession, try and justify the wrongs they do as, "im just following orders" are idiots, and dont realize that they swore an oath to the constitution, and not an oath to blindly follow what ever their leaders say...but in the usa if you carry out the orders to torture you get arrested and sentenced to jail...but if you are the president or vice president, you can legally GIVE the orders to torture, without fear of prosecution?????
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miles, whatever you are on right now, can i have some please?
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miles, whatever you are on right now, can i have some please?
so where am i wrong???? O wait you didnt include what you disagree with you just simply put me down and dismissed the whole of what i said entirely. Typical response from an ignorant troll (or fool)....
by the way im on the "reality" pill not the propaganda pill
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I dont think you miles, or anyone can understand what was going through there minds, so you really have no right to call them stupid
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I dont think you miles, or anyone can understand what was going through there minds, so you really have no right to call them stupid
so you think that believing your leader is god is perfectly fine and normal and wouldn't really lead to a situation down the road where those in power would do bad things (harming the citizens they control, but who cares they are just slaves right and they dont matter) and abuse their power...because people with power never abuse it right....you dont think that giving someone total control of a society and i mean TOTAL CONTROL is a smart thing to do, do you?
you dont think making laws to keep the commoners from having weapons is something that is conducive to a free society do you??? (it was a feudal system and only the samurai class were allowed to have weapons, and could maim kill or order around anyone below him, in what ever capacity)
These people were oppressed for hundreds of years and they had freewill they could have fought against the tyranny which some probably did but the majority was just fine with going along with the program and not standing up for what is right and what is good...they relied on their govt to protect them, to make decisions with their best interest in mind which is never the case and those who do rely on the govt in this way is bound to be let down.
You are right tho by the time ww2 came along it was too late and the amount of lies and propaganda would have made it hard for even the most informed of Japanese to figure out what is true and false.
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ok i think your right about some of thees things but take a chill pill ok
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I'd love to see what the arms of the armorer on THAT plane looked like :lol
Hell, I'd love to see the wing of the P-51D with 6x 50mm's mounted in it. Must have been a very large wingspan.
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Hell, I'd love to see the wing of the P-51D with 6x 50mm's mounted in it. Must have been a very large wingspan.
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i think it ment three on each wing lol
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i think it ment three on each wing lol
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i think it ment three on each wing lol
wow, just wow.
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uhg ok this is just sad i forfit you win now just go back to the topic
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i think it ment three on each wing lol
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wow, just wow.
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uhg ok this is just sad i forfit you win now just go back to the topic
:rofl If only my sig section was big enough...WAIT!!! maybe it is :aok
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so you think that believing your leader is god is perfectly fine and normal and wouldn't really lead to a situation down the road where those in power would do bad things (harming the citizens they control, but who cares they are just slaves right and they dont matter) and abuse their power...because people with power never abuse it right....you dont think that giving someone total control of a society and i mean TOTAL CONTROL is a smart thing to do, do you?
you dont think making laws to keep the commoners from having weapons is something that is conducive to a free society do you??? (it was a feudal system and only the samurai class were allowed to have weapons, and could maim kill or order around anyone below him, in what ever capacity)
These people were oppressed for hundreds of years and they had freewill they could have fought against the tyranny which some probably did but the majority was just fine with going along with the program and not standing up for what is right and what is good...they relied on their govt to protect them, to make decisions with their best interest in mind which is never the case and those who do rely on the govt in this way is bound to be let down.
You are right tho by the time ww2 came along it was too late and the amount of lies and propaganda would have made it hard for even the most informed of Japanese to figure out what is true and false.
hundreds of years? try thousands, it was they way thing have always been there, you cant judge there way of life, especialy by looking at it from your point of veiw, and for the wepons thing, there are still laws against owning guns in japan, but it doesnt bug them, because they have no reason to own a gun, you are being to close minded about this to be able to understand where other people are coming from
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hundreds of years? try thousands, it was they way thing have always been there, you cant judge there way of life, especialy by looking at it from your point of veiw, and for the wepons thing, there are still laws against owning guns in japan, but it doesnt bug them, because they have no reason to own a gun, you are being to close minded about this to be able to understand where other people are coming from
no reason to own a gun....what about to fight the tyranny of the state isnt that the reason we have our second amendment???
their is no excuse for allowing your govt to totally control the lives of its citizens. As an American our founding documents state that all humans have innate rights given to us by god (essentially we are born with freewill and that is where they get the fact that its god given....) if you lay down and let those who are in authority control your lives because you are too lazy to control your own life then you are a foolish fool...As a freedom loving american what they do is abhorrent.
they and many other eastern countries were and some still are dominated cultures through out history and it shows in how content they seem to be under such authoritarian leaders...not to mention they put lithium in the water in japan (along with fluoride) both of which is shown to make people complacent and dummed down.
yea i shouldnt have an opinion on the fact that their govt controls almost every facet of their life...i mean who am i do say that is wrong.... yea right thats stupid and you are stupid for even entertaining the thought that it is acceptable. I dont think that only just americans should have freedom and be free but all people....Freedom is the only way otherwise their is no point in being alive. (no we are not born to live and serve the state contary to what some believe).
Unless you dont truly believe in our nation and the reason it was founded and the reason we fought for our independence, their is no other way to see this situation...
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wow... :confused:
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I hear you Lusche, im just gona leave this one be now, I have spoken my thoughts on the subject, and it is now time to go lol :bolt:
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even more...wow.... :uhoh
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wow good thing you are so good at spectating, why dont you even try and use your brain and either disprove what i am saying .
Because this is the Aces High wishlist and not some weird politics forum ;)
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no its because my arguments are based on sound logic...
Hmmm... looking at the forum title... "Wishlist - Requests for new features."
Looking at posting rules ..." 2- Threads should remain on topic, do not "hijack" topics. 14- Posting topics or threads which are based on politics, race, or religion is expressly forbidden."
No, I think my reason is still the correct one. :)
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yes please continue :)
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haha, oh ok if you insist.
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mmmm bacon
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What does bacon have to do with it? You're still looking at that sign huh?
....it is hardly the bacon of freedom that it once was...
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Ok, I admit to being a dumb American. I am guilty of stupidity clearly but I try my best.
So what are you?
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For some reason I am hungry for bacon now............
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Like semi crispy bacon dripping with fatty goodness?
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exactly, maybe left in a little too long so the fat round the edge goes kind of crispy yellow.
these things are a curse, and they must be eradicated if we are all to be misserable enough to solve the world's problems right now. Get serious meatwad.
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Thanks mechanic, I have seen the light!
I'll go eradicate some right now
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Good plan sir, I have two packs just plotting away in my fridge. Even as I st here now my mind is on bacon and not the issues at hand. I may be gone for some time.
This is not some kind of joke. Destroy your bacon now people.
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Good plan sir, I have two packs just plotting away in my fridge. Even as I st here now my mind is on bacon and not the issues at hand. I may be gone for some time.
This is not some kind of joke. Destroy your bacon now people.
Its NOT just the bacon, get rid of everything in your fridge and freezer and pantry, then our problems will be solved. Make sure their isnt an ounce of food left in your house. This is key info people carry out your duties...
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Its NOT just the bacon, get rid of everything in your fridge and freezer and pantry, then our problems will be solved. Make sure their isnt an ounce of food left in your house. This is key info people carry out your duties...
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Its NOT just the bacon, get rid of everything in your fridge and freezer and pantry, then our problems will be solved. Make sure their isnt an ounce of food left in your house. This is key info people carry out your duties...
genius! :aok
then when everyone starves there will be no one to screw things up for everyone else.
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what the hell is that some weird cat...?
Only those stupid enough will starve the rest will catch on...
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ah well, i'm screwed then
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It was a tough battle but I was victorious
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With anti-bacon sentiment like yours, I'm really surprised we let you stay here. :furious
Its NOT just the bacon, get rid of everything in your fridge....
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Getting back to the topic:
It doesn't belong in the game. Bomb and bail Lancstukas are bad enough as it is, now you want to let them cause extra damage by ramming into the target?
FAIL.
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Sometimes it takes me awhile to reaspond...
Have to wrestle the comp away from the kids.
Thanks you guys for a warm welcome.
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Not quite sure what the issue is with kamikaze. Whats the difference between a kamikaze pilot and the wholesale bombing of civilian targets during WW2. Should we remove bombers from the game because they were used to kill innocent civilians, mostly women and children? I see bombing civilians as a lot worse then a military pilot flying his aircraft into a military target. I think people need to grow up a little.
Also like to point out that suicide missions were not the sole domain of the japanese. All sides of the conflict sent their men into certain death situations at some stage of the war.
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How about we reserve the kamikaze feature to cherry bomb only?
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I think for this to work, u need:
- a betty pilot to fly to intended target
- invite 1 person to man the cherry bomb, that person needs to have bomber perk pts to man the cherry bomb
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On the entire Earth...............
I now know one Donkey's REAREND calling the Ohka a cherry bomb.
You just making watermelon up as you go along. Maybe you should not post and read a tad. Cause at this rate, you're going to quit in 2 more weeks. But I know our Texas friends need your cash, so STFU.
Thank You :salute
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How about we reserve the kamikaze feature to cherry bomb only?
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I think for this to work, u need:
- a betty pilot to fly to intended target
- invite 1 person to man the cherry bomb, that person needs to have bomber perk pts to man the cherry bomb
The Ohka wasn't referred to as the "cherry bomb", the Japanese referred to it as the "cherry blossom". The Allies called it the "Baka Bomb".
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If we mix them together do we get a cherry bomb? :rofl
The Ohka wasn't referred to as the "cherry bomb", the Japanese referred to it as the "cherry blossom". The Allies called it the "Baka Bomb".
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Holy Bacon...
This gets my vote for strangest thread of the year.
Also gets my vote for strangest poster of the year.
I'm gonna go empty my fridge. :bolt: