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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 800nate on September 16, 2010, 06:03:09 PM
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i was :airplane: at 85 on the deck in a f4u4 at 500mph and get shot down by brewster at 500mph the thing was 800 away i dont what happened :furious :headscratch:
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Film or it didn't happen.
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99.9% of the time in cases like these the pilot of Plane A underestimated the energy state of Plane B while grossly over-estimating his own energy state. I don't think the OP's case falls within the .1% area.
ack-ack
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And this is a "bug", why???
NOT
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I'm with NOT.
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Simple, you were either slower than you thought, he managed to stay close to you in the dive, or a combination of the two. I've seen that happen to you before, the Yak-9T killing you C-hog when doing '400mph' is the example that jumps out at me.
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Every time I get shot down I know it's just a bug in the system. :airplane:
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he was drafting you! everyone knows you can draft the guys in front of you! :D
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he was drafting you! everyone knows you can draft the guys in front of you! :D
I miss on purpose so I can draft longer.
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It's real simple.. did you record it? If not it's a moot point regardless.
If you did, review the film... you can see EXACTLY what happened, and exactly where you screwed up.
If you see something in the film that defies physics, then you can email it to hi-tech and they will review it to see if anything 'fishy' is going on in there.
It's been told time and time again the the public forums is NOT the place to post allegations of 'fishy' situations.
And if you want to know how you could have not died from that situation, then you should have posted in the Help and Training category.
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Perk teh Brew :airplane:
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Brewsters are so good everyone used it both Allied and Axis airforces :old:
They are so good they are still used today :old:
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i was in a B25 at 85 trying to turn fight with a F4U who kept running away everytime i had guns on his 6 ( couple 75's were tossed at him to lol ) after about 10 Min's of chasing him around i went back to rearm, upon final approach i see him diving in on me from 6 k above, i do a few moves and again he starts to run so i landed, re-upped a G6 and he was gone, sure was funny to listen to the range channel to hear other buff pilots laughing cause he was running from me :joystick:
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Cause the brewster is over modeled like 2 fold.
-BigBOBCH
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It is not overmodeled it was the best plane in WWII :old:
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99.9% of the time in cases like these the pilot of Plane A underestimated the energy state of Plane B while grossly over-estimating his own energy state. I don't think the OP's case falls within the .1% area.
ack-ack
bolded.
this is where i have a LOT of problems....mostly with judging the other guys energy. getting better at it, and make the mistake less than before though
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i was in a B25 at 85 trying to turn fight with a F4U who kept running away everytime i had guns on his 6 ( couple 75's were tossed at him to lol ) after about 10 Min's of chasing him around i went back to rearm, upon final approach i see him diving in on me from 6 k above, i do a few moves and again he starts to run so i landed, re-upped a G6 and he was gone, sure was funny to listen to the range channel to hear other buff pilots laughing cause he was running from me :joystick:
Anyone with a little common sense would run from a B25 on your 6, look at all the firepower. BTW, what does this have to do with the Brewster?? :huh :salute
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In the hanger, before u up, type .brewwep and you will get the Brewster variant with wep. It can go up to 525. I was the Brewster that shot you. All I did was kick in the WEP and I caught up.
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i was :airplane: at 85 on the deck in a f4u4 at 500mph and get shot down by brewster at 500mph the thing was 800 away i dont what happened :furious :headscratch:
Objects in rear view are closer than they appear. Net lag makes it hard to judge when somebody has a shot at you because while you see them 800 yards away on your computer they may see you at 600 yards ahead or less on their computer.
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+1 this is why I get shot down - lag :old:
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Here's a Yogism of wisdom:
Slower planes can catch faster planes if they are faster.
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he was drafting you! everyone knows you can draft the guys in front of you! :D
That is why it is important to fill the vacuum left behind you. You can use many things to fill it...... I chose methane.
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Also, planes that are a long way off can kill you if they're closer.
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In the two years I have been playing I have never once encounter anything that could be considered a bug... It kinda bothers me when you here people constantly saying... "oh come on, how'd he do that" or "there's no way he turn that think like that" "did you see, that's not right"
I don't get... When I get whacked I usually have it coming... I had a TBM catch my 51 the other day. I was low and slow and he had good alt on me... Subsequently I was shot down by a bomber.
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In the two years I have been playing I have never once encounter anything that could be considered a bug... It kinda bothers me when you here people constantly saying... "oh come on, how'd he do that" or "there's no way he turn that think like that" "did you see, that's not right"
I don't get... When I get whacked I usually have it coming... I had a TBM catch my 51 the other day. I was low and slow and he had good alt on me... Subsequently I was shot down by a bomber.
How dare you come into a thread like this and make a logical point. How dare you.
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It's been told time and time again the the public forums is NOT the place to post allegations of 'fishy' situations.
I don’t see where the OP made any allegations, do you?
i was :airplane: at 85 on the deck in a f4u4 at 500mph and get shot down by brewster at 500mph the thing was 800 away i dont what happened :furious :headscratch:
I do see where the OP failed to communicate because of poor sentence structure and I think we are all assuming that he meant to say “I don’t know what happened” but I don’t see anywhere in is post where he made allegations of anything.
800nate, consider this:
You are screaming along at 500mph, 85ft AGL. Someone at 500 ft sees you, you don’t see him. He anticipates your route of flight, and takes the necessary action to position himself on your six as the result of a Split “S” with a top speed of 300mph. His timeing is such that he is able to start firing at you at his closest proximal distance which may have been 200 feet and he continued firing at you while your superior speed opened the distance, however, the time it took you to open the distance to 800 ft, he opened you up with all that lead. Also, you being in a flat line of flight, means that your aircraft was continuing to slow down, your speed was dropping to whatever the top speed is of the F4u4 at sea level with WEP.
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did anyone consider that this may have been a troll? :noid
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Also, planes that are a long way off can kill you if they're closer.
Makes cents.
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+1 this is why I get shot down - lag :old:
standard!
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standard!
They shot us down - twice.
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Confucius say Man who goes to bed with Itchy butt Wakes up with Stinky Finger :devil
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I am not accusing anyone of any wrong doing...But I thought that the N1ki didn't do so well in a dive...hence the dive to get out trouble when he had the drop on me...but when I looked at the film and saw the speed at which he was able to pull out of a dive I scratched my head and chocked it up to another anomaly.
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Me attempting to re produce this
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It is not overmodeled it was the best plane in WWII :old:
Yep, highest victories on a single airframe of whole ww2.
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You might be going 500mph but his bullets are going faster.
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Niki is pretty durn good in a dive actually.
All the pilot did was put themselves in position to have a shot at you.
Position.
Position.
Position.
I preach that regularly to players I train.
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Position.
Position.
Position.
I preach that regularly to players I train.
Also good poker advice.
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Also good poker advice.
yea......'cause if ya poker in the wrong position, you're in a heap p trouble. :devil
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INteresting point Cap.. :lol
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They shot us down - twice.
Yah,you should've seen your faces though. :D
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You might be going 500mph but his bullets are going faster.
How fast do I have to dive to outrun the bullets?
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I'm sure everyone on vox range was happy he died
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Everything that ends in ster is fast. Many AHers love their Spitster. :confused: :uhoh
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hucome we ain't got no medals?
They shot us down, twice.
"You were like aaaaahhhhhhh"
I love that little skit.
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And this is a "bug", why???
NOT
He didn't say it was a "bug"..he was merely asking for
an explanation of how that victory was achieved...
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when I get shot down I up another plane :old:
it's not like Galaxian when I was a kid, that cost me a fortune :old:
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In the hanger, before u up, type .brewwep and you will get the Brewster variant with wep. It can go up to 525. I was the Brewster that shot you. All I did was kick in the WEP and I caught up.
:lol :lol :lol
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He didn't say it was a "bug".
He did, as this thread was moved over from the Bugs Forum
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Most likely a combination of lag and the Brew having position and initial speed and/or alt. No big deal, it happens. A good pile-it picks his target before his target knows he's there and has an exit strategy that "hopefully" confounds the hordes of blood thirsty dog-pilers. The best of flyers around here get jumped and kilt by someone who's watching carefully all the time, they usually scream something about cherry-picking, sometimes they salute.
Look out for the lag happy types... they're the worst at getting you under hard-to-explain circumstances. There are very few who are really successful at "flying" (kappa comes to mind) as opposed to playing the lag game (but they'll all blather on and on about ACM). Over time you'll find you can guess who they are simply by watching how they do what they do.
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i don't know exact speeds, till i go home and look at film.....midwar. 38j comes into a27 high. i was climbing through 4k grabbing hard trying to get up to him. two others rolled. i saw him make a pass at the base, going for the dar. i followed, but couldn't catch him. saw him extending and pulling up, so i went vertical.
watched him turn, and i was already positioned between him and the base, a few thousand yards off to the side. as i see him enter the dive, i start my turn, coming out on his six, d1,000, and closing. he didn't re-climb this time, but rather kept going at tree top level.
i was holding at d800 now. zoomed in, i'd fire with just guns, and if i saw hits score, i'd put some cannon rounds out there. it took me a bit of chasing, but i got him.
it's not that hard to get a faster plane, if you're in the right place at the right time.
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As far as the 800yd kill, that could also just have been a case of a magic BB. Every now and then someone will snap off an extreme long-range shot that just happens to hit in the right spot. I've finished a pass on Buffs and been flying away along their same line of flight (so no energy bonus for flying into their bullets) only to have my wing nipped off at 1000yds in the past, so it's definitely possible.
Also, staying on the deck is a bad place to be 99 times out of 100. Finish your run, and grab some sky. Brewsters aren't fast under their own power but they can build up a GOOD head of steam in a dive. They just can't hold onto it nearly as well as the F4U. You probably gave him a nice, long vertical drop onto your six. Your best move would have been to start back up as soon as you finished your first attack, and pick him up QUICKLY. I especially like to cut back into a diving opponent, forcing him to either break off or steepen his dive, which makes it harder for him to pull out on the bottom end without burning as much E. They key is, your -4 will hold on to that 500mph longer in the vertical than that Brewster, especially if you force him to maneuver.
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As far as the 800yd kill, that could also just have been a case of a magic BB. Every now and then someone will snap off an extreme long-range shot that just happens to hit in the right spot. I've finished a pass on Buffs and been flying away along their same line of flight (so no energy bonus for flying into their bullets) only to have my wing nipped off at 1000yds in the past, so it's definitely possible.
this i hate....but do agree with 100%
a year ago i was in a K4 at tree top level chasing a P51 who was gradually pulling away from me. but because i had just the day before spent over an hour in the ta practicing long distance shots in the K4 (for the purpose of trailing bombers and shooting them at maximum range) i knew exactly where i had to align the sight to hit with a tater at the extreme 1,000 yds. the P51 stayed flat and level and counted on his speed to get enough distance to get away, this smooth no E burning run would have worked for him 99 out of 100 times, but with a gentle lift of my nose and a few rapid taps on the secondary trigger boom he was gone. so the rare extreme shot is the enigma that can catch anyone who is to confident in making a simple egress from the situation based solely on speed and without practicing any real evasion maneuvers.
POOP HAPPENS!!!! :)
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Has anyone checked the charts on brewster?
(http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af171/ab8aac/genchart1.png)
This is one I ran when I got accused of cheating on a pm by chasing it down in p51, I was told then that the brewster could go 500mph, maybe some can get it to that speed straight down dive I don't know.
salute
ab8aac/dmdchief/aac
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Ooo nice chart. If you ever see a brewster going faster than 280mph, start recording, he is a hacker.
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As far as the 800yd kill, that could also just have been a case of a magic BB. Every now and then someone will snap off an extreme long-range shot that just happens to hit in the right spot. I've finished a pass on Buffs and been flying away along their same line of flight (so no energy bonus for flying into their bullets) only to have my wing nipped off at 1000yds in the past, so it's definitely possible.
Also, staying on the deck is a bad place to be 99 times out of 100. Finish your run, and grab some sky. Brewsters aren't fast under their own power but they can build up a GOOD head of steam in a dive. They just can't hold onto it nearly as well as the F4U. You probably gave him a nice, long vertical drop onto your six. Your best move would have been to start back up as soon as you finished your first attack, and pick him up QUICKLY. I especially like to cut back into a diving opponent, forcing him to either break off or steepen his dive, which makes it harder for him to pull out on the bottom end without burning as much E. They key is, your -4 will hold on to that 500mph longer in the vertical than that Brewster, especially if you force him to maneuver.
i don't think my kill was a magic bb. i was zoomed in all the way, so i could see him pretty nicely. the 38j has plenty of 50 cal. i'd fire off a burst....adjust according to where it passed him....fire another.....see hits, hit the main trigger real quick. i was landing hits more often than not.
it was agitating at first, seeing so many hits, and no serious damage, till i thought about all the energy the rounds had lost by the time they got out that far.......
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As far as the 800yd kill, that could also just have been a case of a magic BB. Every now and then someone will snap off an extreme long-range shot that just happens to hit in the right spot. I've finished a pass on Buffs and been flying away along their same line of flight (so no energy bonus for flying into their bullets) only to have my wing nipped off at 1000yds in the past, so it's definitely possible.
Also, staying on the deck is a bad place to be 99 times out of 100. Finish your run, and grab some sky. Brewsters aren't fast under their own power but they can build up a GOOD head of steam in a dive. They just can't hold onto it nearly as well as the F4U. You probably gave him a nice, long vertical drop onto your six. Your best move would have been to start back up as soon as you finished your first attack, and pick him up QUICKLY. I especially like to cut back into a diving opponent, forcing him to either break off or steepen his dive, which makes it harder for him to pull out on the bottom end without burning as much E. They key is, your -4 will hold on to that 500mph longer in the vertical than that Brewster, especially if you force him to maneuver.
Also, with lag, 800yds on your end usually means 600-650yds on his end.
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Also, with lag, 800yds on your end usually means 600-650yds on his end.
i know i'm gonna regret this.......
even if it means 600 to 650 on his end, i though it was what your computer sees that's important?
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i know i'm gonna regret this.......
even if it means 600 to 650 on his end, i though it was what your computer sees that's important?
Well yeah, if he sees you at 650 yds and he hits you at that range, it sends the data to your end and you see a 800+yd shot.
Same thing with 1000yd shots. They are actually 800 yd shots.
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Well yeah, if he sees you at 650 yds and he hits you at that range, it sends the data to your end and you see a 800+yd shot.
Same thing with 1000yd shots. They are actually 800 yd shots.
aahh!!
that explains how that friggin goofball(and he was a SERIOUS goofball) in the b-17's hit me from 1k(with me going away) a couple of weeks ago.
in his case, it was fun flying circles above him, watching him empty out his top turret from 2k. :devil
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How fast do I have to dive to outrun the bullets?
More than 1984 mph for .50 M2 Browning :old:
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Here's a Yogism of wisdom:
Slower planes can catch faster planes if they are faster.
Also, planes that are a long way off can kill you if they're closer.
:aok
Sig material
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So Nate your goin to sit there and rant because an early war plane killed your f4u4 probally because he dove on you probally with 2 kills and you lost 20 fighter perks...it's just a game you'll get those perks back someday :aok :bolt:
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Ooo nice chart. If you ever see a brewster going faster than 280mph, start recording, he is a hacker.
You can turn me in now...
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7679/brrrrrrrew.jpg)
:noid
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You can turn me in now...
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7679/brrrrrrrew.jpg)
:noid
OMG!~!@@!!
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You can turn me in now...
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7679/brrrrrrrew.jpg)
:noid
did you use the dot command for wep?
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You can turn me in now...
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7679/brrrrrrrew.jpg)
:noid
And look. It's in nearly level flight! Haxxor.
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You can turn me in now...
(http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/7679/brrrrrrrew.jpg)
:noid
Photoshoped :lol
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Of course hes a haxxor, his engine is off, and hes still doing 508 in a shallow dive.
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Of course hes a haxxor, his engine is off, and hes still doing 508 in a shallow dive.
Engine was on ;)
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Perk the Brewster! :D
(http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz165/JORJI_Girl/Funny/8a89a2d9.gif)
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posting in a brewster is op thead. . .
honestly, i do think its a little overmodeled - but hell - they are fun to fight.
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A La7 chased my spit14 on the deck and shot me down after crossing half a sector, I went back in a Yak and shot him down twice.
Hurrah! for me :old:
I think the reason Brewster's shoots down a lot of plane's is because they are flown a lot by a bunch of crazy Finns :old:
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i was just watching one of my films from ava. me in hurri2c, the other guy in me110. i was consistently 10 to 20 mph slower, yet i managed to get in range, and shoot him down......well.....he it the ground....but i pinged him first. :devil
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lol lusche, 80 galons of fuel left in the tank, and GPH says 0. That doesn't seem consistent with a running engine :devil.
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lol lusche, 80 galons of fuel left in the tank, and GPH says 0. That doesn't seem consistent with a running engine :devil.
I can assure you: Engine was up & running at this very moment :)
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Is E6B lying :noid?
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No, it isn't.
Does it say: "Engine shut off" anywhere? ;)
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Burn multiplier @0 so GPH should be 0, shouldn't it?
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One bullet reached your pilot's brain so you died quickly.
:salute
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When training in Canada once after an"issue" the Canadian instructor just said "LaWhaa LaWhaa LaWhaa...
:salute
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One bullet reached your pilot's brain so you died quickly.
:salute
LuLuLu, do you have some apples?
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Is E6B lying :noid?
Lusche has fuel burn set to the lowest setting - way to keep fuel weight fixed for flight testing purposes. Screws with the E6B readings when you do that though.
Tango
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ah, rgr.
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mayby somthing else jumped me
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Let it die Nate... Just let it die.
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The Brewster surprisingly dives really well and stays pretty maneuverable at high speeds, just be careful to not rip off the wings.
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The Brewster surprisingly dives really well and stays pretty maneuverable at high speeds, just be careful to not rip off the wings.
Ya don't say?
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Ya don't say?
or did he really say that? :noid
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Okay, I am seriously loving Zack's little side comments that everyone seem to be ignoring.
That is probably the best use of the :old: smiley I have ever seen...
Perk Zack!!! :noid
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The Brewster is aptly named. Just like in real life, you ignore it at your peril.
(http://www.nowthatshumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/GoredbyBuffalo.jpg)
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Heh. Buffalo are dangerous, they're very agile and can be fast especially on the downslope.
Y'know, it's got to be one of two things- Either Nate is trolling at this point, or he still doesn't get how it could happen. Since I haven't seen anyone spell it out exactly, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and explain how it could happen.
Nate- Aircraft top speeds are not like you might think of the top speed in a car. A car will reach its top speed and there's not much you can do to increase that.
However, an airplane's top speed is measured by going level until the plane attains its maximum speed at that altitude. If you push the nose down so that gravity is helping the plane along by pulling it down, it can go faster than its rated top speed. The Brewster is also very good at keeping this extra speed for a long while after going level unless you maneuver in it. That is most likely how he caught you.
No magic, no hax. Just gravity.
Wiley.
We now return to your regularly scheduled browbeating.
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i was testing out the new F-14 HTC is modeling and a brewster shot it down. i was doing about Mach 1.1 and it came from out of nowhere and i was dead
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i was in a B25 at 85 trying to turn fight with a F4U who kept running away everytime i had guns on his 6 ( couple 75's were tossed at him to lol ) after about 10 Min's of chasing him around i went back to rearm, upon final approach i see him diving in on me from 6 k above, i do a few moves and again he starts to run so i landed, re-upped a G6 and he was gone, sure was funny to listen to the range channel to hear other buff pilots laughing cause he was running from me :joystick:
that was me i think was it a c hog
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that was me i think was it a c hog
If you were smart you wouldn't have admitted to being the timid player that ran away from a bomber.
ack-ack
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A real pilot in an F4U1C would have killed that Brewster.