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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: captain1ma on September 21, 2010, 11:03:51 AM
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Attention Waystin2 and company, it has come to my attention that you and your mouthy horde need a good lesson in how to play the game! As the un-official representative of the AVA regulars we challenge you and your Gang( cause thats what they are!) to a Aces High AVA challenge! Conditions are as follows:
When: Tuesday night September 28, 2010 at 930pm EST. Bring your Weiners with you we're having a pig roast!!
Where: AVA
What:3 sets of agreed upon bases. winner of each set is the one that captures the other guys base
best of 3 wins overall and can brag about it if they like( that will be the AVA guys, just to let you know ahead of time!)
Please Respond ASAP! If you dare.....
this event will be open to anyone else that wants to join us! just try keep numbers even.
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They may not turn up ....... :noid
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iiii dunno.....ya may hafta enable the F3 mode for that gang....... :neener: :noid
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I wish somebody would teach me "how to play the game".
:salute 11
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oh im pretty sure they will show up. i'd hate to have to call them derogatory names!
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Even though we are used to fighting at the varsity level, the Pigs will gladly school you AVA irregulars on how it's done. Besides, we were thinking of having a night where our wives could play the game, so this might work out for us... :neener:
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A whole night of nothing but porking and haming it up. :D
The menu will also feature baby back ribs, picnic ham, pork butt, bonless porkchops, pickled pigs feet, hog head cheese, tamales, and the always popular bacon.
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A whole night of nothing but porking and haming it up. :D
The menu will also feature baby back ribs, picnic ham, pork butt, bonless porkchops, pickled pigs feet, hog head cheese, tamales, and the always popular bacon.
There will be others who spend the night "hunting" for the "head" they have lost. :D
Hope you take the time to be there Shuff. All walk-ons will be welcomed, and evenly distributed to the appropriate side for numbers balancing purposes. This is because it takes 3 AVA regulars to equal 1 Pig. 3:1 ratio..... :lol
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There will be others who spend the night "hunting" for the "head" they have lost. :D
Hope you take the time to be there Shuff. All walk-ons will be welcomed, and evenly distributed to the appropriate side for numbers balancing purposes. This is because it takes 3 AVA regulars to equal 1 Pig. 3:1 ratio..... :lol
:rofl
I don't know about your math..... have you weighed any regulars??? :cheers:
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:rofl
I don't know about your math..... have you weighed any regulars??? :cheers:
I dont' care who you are, that's funny!!!! Yeah I'll take the Zeke with the oversized cockpit please.... :rofl
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I dont' care who you are, that's funny!!!! Yeah I'll take the Zeke with the oversized cockpit please.... :rofl
EEHH.......
just squirt em down with some 5w20, and they'll slip right in
:noid
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How do you get them out? Pull tab on the exterior of the vehicle something like... ummm... this?
(http://freelancewritinggigs.com/networkblogging/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/spam.jpg)
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How do you get them out? Pull tab on the exterior of the vehicle something like... ummm... this?
(http://freelancewritinggigs.com/networkblogging/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/spam.jpg)
the question is do you want to open that can of whoopA##? :D
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Oh I'm sure I'll feel the wrath of the airborne sausage fest. But it's going to be epic fun.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v99/dichotomy/WTF%20LOL%20ETC/1169408865863.gif)
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if they turn up :noid
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dammit, you guys are tempting me to resub, lol
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:noid
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dammit, you guys are tempting me to resub, lol
and this is bad becauuuusssseeeeeee??? :aok
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:rofl i just choked on my egg salad sammich.
Please tell me this is a joke
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dammit, you guys are tempting me to resub, lol
It's all a well thought out and nefarious plan to get you back in the game.. ooopps.. did I say that out loud?
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It's all a well thought out and nefarious plan to get you back in the game.. ooopps.. did I say that out loud?
we have no way of knowing if you said that out loud or not.
we DO however, know that you typed it rather clearly though. :rofl
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WHOOPS!!!
:D
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WHOOPS!!!
:D
i think you dun went n opened this....(shamelessly stolen from another thread) :devil
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/whoopass.jpg)
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and this is bad becauuuusssseeeeeee??? :aok
all my money is going to education and a speeding ticket.
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:rofl i just choked on my egg salad sammich.
Please tell me this is a joke
No joke Bip. These fellers really want to try some Pig. I don't think they are gonna like the taste... :aok
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LOL, fire up the Spits....it's pig roastin time :rock :devil
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Attention all: there will be a pig roast in the AVA courtesy of the AVA regulars. all are invited, bring your appetite, and your skillz. the Roast will be on Tuesday September 28, 2010 and begin at 930pm EST.
Our dinner guests will be the POTW(pigs on the wing)
we still haven't finalized the planeset but if fork goes with his proposed one, it should be pretty good. i will announce in the AVA the planeset for that night as soon as i have a final determination of what it will be. Stay tuned more to come.
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Who's bringing the apples?
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You have no idea the pain that is coming fellers. You will be shot down, you will be bombed, you will be over-run with GVs! Every last one of the Pigs is proficient in the planes and vehicles in the historical matchup. I hope you guys can handle an all out assualt ground & Air!
Here is the plane/vehicle as proposed & accepted by the POTW:
Allies
B-26B
P-38G
P-40E
P-47D-11
Spitfire V
M4A1
Jeeps
M3
M-16
Axis
Ju-88
Bf 109 F-4
Bf 109 G-2
Bf 110G-2
C205
Fw 190A3 *sub A5
Panzer
Jeeps
SdKfz 251
M-16 *(sub for Ostwind to balance town killing ability)
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You have no idea the pain that is coming fellers. You will be shot down, you will be bombed, you will be over-run with GVs! Every last one of the Pigs is proficient in the planes and vehicles in the historical matchup. I hope you guys can handle an all out assualt ground & Air!
Here is the plane/vehicle as proposed & accepted by the POTW:
Allies
B-26B
P-38G
P-40E
P-47D-11
Spitfire V
M4A1
Jeeps
M3
M-16
Axis
Ju-88
Bf 109 F-4
Bf 109 G-2
Bf 110G-2
C205
Fw 190A3 *sub A5
Panzer
Jeeps
SdKfz 251
M-16 *(sub for Ostwind to balance town killing ability)
Town killing??? Thought this was for fighting.
Will it be more like the MAs just without icons? :(
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Town killing??? Thought this was for fighting.
Will it be more like the MAs just without icons?
This is specifically a base capture challenge. As I understand a best of 3 scenario, with side switches at the end of rounds for fairness. Yes there will be fighting, but it will be ground and air including air to air, air to ground, ground to air, ground to ground. Hope this answers your question Shuff.
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all my money is going to education and a speeding ticket.
oops......sorry bout that.
on the plus side.......at least you're spending some of it in a good way. :aok
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Town killing??? Thought this was for fighting.
Will it be more like the MAs just without icons? :(
no. you;ve seen the fights we;ve started by attacking a base? well......imaginew that, but there'll actually be guys trying to take the bases too.
it sounds like it's gonna be fuuuunnnnnnn. if i manage to walk on, i'll stick to the air battles for me though....b
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on the plus side.......at least you're spending some of it in a good way. :aok
Excellent observation. How are you going to get good at racing if you don't eat a few speeding tickets?
- oldman
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Speaking of speed... Should we start out slow on you AVAR's, just to give you a chance? :D
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Speaking of speed... Should we start out slow on you AVAR's, just to give you a chance? :D
You know, back when i was playing. :old: i could own their skwad of n()()bs by myself. But that really isnt saying much.
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This is specifically a base capture challenge. As I understand a best of 3 scenario, with side switches at the end of rounds for fairness. Yes there will be fighting, but it will be ground and air including air to air, air to ground, ground to air, ground to ground. Hope this answers your question Shuff.
:( well darn.
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:( well darn.
Darn? The Pigs are gonna be coming at you hard, willing to fight over our base and yours. If that ain't a fight, I don't know what is... :headscratch:
Are any other AVAR's gonna back out over having to fight a complete battle? :t
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:( well darn.
shuffler they dont need flaming 38s crashing in to trees distracting them. Stay out of this one :aok
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BiPolar, start playing again.... we need to start a ruckus again.
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BiPolar, start playing again.... we need to start a ruckus again.
maybe one day, but no time soon. Too much going on in real life. Dont have time to play.
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maybe one day, but no time soon. Too much going on in real life. Dont have time to play.
Well Bip I hope real life settles for you. You are in my thoughts.
Continuing with the real theme, the AVAR's better start getting real, cuz the Pigs are coming to feast!
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this setup will have something for everyone. there will be Furballing, GVing and base taking. you don't want to take the base, stay in the air, or fly CAP. you don't want to fly, grab a panzer or whatever is available and help hit the town. you don't either one of those options, help resupply your side, whatever side you happen to be on. its a smorgasbord of action.
*note--out of respect to the pigs, i didn't mention the pig roast that its going to turn into! :salute
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this setup will have something for everyone. there will be Furballing, GVing and base taking. you don't want to take the base, stay in the air, or fly CAP. you don't want to fly, grab a panzer or whatever is available and help hit the town. you don't either one of those options, help resupply your side, whatever side you happen to be on. its a smorgasbord of action.
*note--out of respect to the pigs, i didn't mention the pig roast that its going to turn into! :salute
well, as i mentioned, i won;t be able to make this one, as i'll be on mcguire afb. i'm in the civil air patrol, and am on wing staff, as LGT. tuesday nights are our regular work nights, and i use these to get my paperwork caught up.
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Bummer CAP. I had asked for ack lethality to be turned up for you only... :rofl :D
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i saw that.....i was gonna get a special blender that was supposed to counter that............
sometimes i blow off these meetings......i did this past week, 'cause mom was coming up....and she's here to stay for a few months......haven't seen her in awhile, and a buddy just lost his mother, and nearly his father to an accident in north jersey..........
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my dog ate my homework?
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my dog ate my homework?
i never told that lie when i didn't have it. i just told em i didn't feel like doing it. it was amazing that they didn't know what to say. :devil
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JunkyII>AVAR's. In all the rides of this game.
Head hunters get owned by my 109....very easy.....
:devil
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Lol, the pigs will clobber them, they picked up this noob called Falcon15 who, with JunkyII and Krup will make you fear the 109.
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Hey waystin
Just to make it fair for the AVA regulars we should use the WW 1 planeset and give them all 163's and 262's.
We are gonna OWN AVA arena, and the last sound you hear is a bunch of Bull Hogs squealing in your ears as you dig a grave with your plane.
OINK PIGS!!!!!!!!!
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163's and 262's.
lol none on either side would get kills, it would be like hurling basket balls at flys.
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Lol, the pigs will clobber them, they picked up this noob called Falcon15 who, with JunkyII and Krup will make you fear the 109.
Krup = bipolar? :noid :noid
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Krup got a mic, and Bustr said he sounds like me....
therefor....
is krup = ardy123 or is krup = BiPolar or ardy123=krup=BiPolar... :noid
I think some 'serious' detective work is going to be needed here lol...
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I'm an AvA irregular. What side would I be on?? :huh
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is krup = ardy123 or is krup = BiPolar or ardy123=krup=BiPolar...
I own all of you.
Scotch > krupardypolar
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I own all of you.
Scotch > krupardypolar
Thus where our secret weapon comes in, Falcon15! :noid
Someone give me a plane and a direction to go shoot at.
And Bip, you know you want to come back and fly with me this weekend in the AvA. :D
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I are in.
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I'm an AvA irregular. What side would I be on?? :huh
Lowest numbers side Slash. All walk-ons are welcomed and encouraged!
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Lowest numbers side Slash. All walk-ons are welcomed and encouraged!
YOU only want walk ons so you can shoot em easier than if they were in another airplane
:noid :neener:
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Beware of walkons man! I have a vid somewhere where I bailed out over a capped field, walked over to where the planes were spawning in, and shot them in the cockpit with the 45.
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Beware of walkons man! I have a vid somewhere where I bailed out over a capped field, walked over to where the planes were spawning in, and shot them in the cockpit with the 45.
Did you spit a wad of Beechnut in them dudes' eyes?
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Did you spit a wad of Beechnut in them dudes' eyes?
man, it would suck to lose your life over 43 dollars.....
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Make it a different map like the Tunisia or the Med other than the current rebuilt small Europe from the WAR two years ago.
Spit, Hurri, P40, C202, and bombers stand out looking down into the ocean, the ground, or up into the clouds as black silhouettes then dots out to 4-5kd. The 109F-G2 dissapere from view in the same situations starting at about 1kd or after passing into a cloud layer. The only time they are visable as dots or black silhouettes is when they are back dropped against clear sky or inside of 1kd. All other aircraft on that map resolve from a dot, black silhouette then as whatever aricraft and paint scheme they are wearing.
Last night I watched this when POTW were flying from the english side of the map and I was flying aginst them from the german side. When I flew 109's against my squad they lost track of me if I didn't stay close in the furballs while in a 109. When I flew the C202 they could keep track of me inside of 5kd and followed me through all of my manuvers sea level past 15k. When I switched to the english side I could see the 109's on the map DAR but, most of the time couldn't visually resolve them untill they were inside of 1kd or closer. If they were over the water, most of the time thier pixels blended into the blue grey of the waters pixels with no outline motion differentiation or contrast from the background pixels. A bit like cloaked Klingon battel cruisers.
SYKO, Changeup, USVI, MODO, Waystin, Tempest, Lawndart along with myself were practicing in there last night. This phenominon was a common issue. Even in low furballs on the water the 109's would dissapere into the water at times if they had 200-400d separation below us against the ocean. Setup the challenge on a different map that both sides can see each other equaly within the constraints of no-Icon mode.
To the AvA Staff,
Have you guys performed any in depth visual testing of all these maps to know exaclty how the default skin or silhouette of every type of aircraft will show up in no-Icon mode?
I doubt every fighter will be rendered the same. Some fighters are not being rendered with visual contrast from the back ground they are seen against untill they are inside of 1k yards. But then, some fighters show up as a black dot, black cross then as an aircraft from 5k yards tracking into your aircraft against most back grounds. A good example is the C202, Hurri and spit5 vs. the 109F-G2 on the current map.
The lack of motion contrast against background pixels vs. distance seems a technical issue related to the game and our video cards. If the 7 members of my squad and myself noted this phenominon, thats 8 different computers. This phenominon being a general factor, it would only be fair if you gents performed testing against different colored oceans and water. Terrains and cloud covers. Then place a note in the MOTD for each map to the results. Players who want to fight each other will make sure they see each other and fight. Some players, once they notice a curious difference in the game like this will leverage that over the arenas spirit of game play. I suspect HTC had a very good reason for the big red Icon since he built this game's Matrix.
NO-Icon is still a good idea. But, I doubt you gents have bothered to test and understand all of the idiosyncrasies of your monster.....
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Did you spit a wad of Beechnut in them dudes' eyes?
Got me shotgun, rifle, and a 4WD cause Sunbat, can survive! (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent043.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
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Did you spit a wad of Beechnut in them dudes' eyes?
f'yeah, but I'm not running for office in 2012.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2008/11/26/hank-williams-jr-to-run-for-u-s-senate/ (http://www.politicsdaily.com/2008/11/26/hank-williams-jr-to-run-for-u-s-senate/)
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NO-Icon is still a good idea. But, I doubt you gents have bothered to test and understand all of the idiosyncrasies of your monster.....
You are absolutely right!
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We are aware of some anomalies, like zeros of any color appearing white from a distance etc, but this is the first I've heard of these specific issues.
It should be noted that the challenge will not be run on the terrain that was in at the time you noticed this.
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i dont think that is a map problem, i think its a lag problem. you might want to send an email to skuzzy or htc and see what they have to say about it. in the past ive seen that happen with several types of planes, on land or over the water, didnt matter. i believe its just a lag problem.
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Well bug or not the AVAR's are gonna need every advantage they can get! The Pigs have been laying strategy and divying up tasks. We are planning on total destruction for you fellers! :aok
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We're working a strategy as well. It's called "shoot up the pigs."
Don't know how effective that will be, but I bet it will be fun.
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I bet it will be fun.
I promise this! :aok
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Well bug or not the AVAR's are gonna need every advantage they can get! The Pigs have been laying strategy and divying up tasks. We are planning on total destruction for you fellers! :aok
WAIT?
YOU'RE ORGANIZING????
:noid
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WAIT?
YOU'RE ORGANIZING????
:noid
Yeah, the Local Swine Union 102. You will have to talk to our rep... :rofl
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We are aware of some anomalies, like zeros of any color appearing white from a distance etc, but this is the first I've heard of these specific issues.
It should be noted that the challenge will not be run on the terrain that was in at the time you noticed this.
I was in there for a very brief period yesterday on the Allied side and the problem exists with regard to all a/c. I would say it differently than Bustr did. As an object moves closer to you, it should become larger and its color vibrancy should get clearer. That is not the case in the AvA. It doesn't bother me because I have found ways to use it to my advantage as well but it will be a problem.
An example, while I was there last night I was loitering around an enemy base with NO intention of vulching...just waiting for someone to up. When I saw Hexer up, I extended out to the end of the base, while looking around me to try my best to make sure no one else was there (I was wrong). Hexer's dot never got larger as it approached and by the time I recognized as being close, I pulled up and avoided the shot. Here's the problem...when I pulled vertical, Rammey was behind me which was fine ofcourse, but his plane was about 600 out and it was transluscent black...almost invisible...I had to look hard to even see it. I was pure vertical and he was below and behind me following me up...so I was looking backwards towards the ground.
I went to the MA Orange immediately following that and turned away from a icon'd 109 and saw him clearly all the way 1000 out on my six until he killed me at 200 with icons turned OFF. There is a big difference in the rendering of the a/c in the arenas for some reason. I am running a 36' LG monitor (1920 X 1650 or whatever) with a Nvidia GTS 250 1 gig. Its something in the arena. It doesn't bother me because both sides have the same advantage but it will wear some folks out...I believe WMSaber will corroborate this as well....I got him several times the night before the same way....and it honestly felt like I was cheating because I knew he never, ever saw me and it was always from below. A/C from above look fine except the dot never seems to enlarge as it gets closer until its almost on top of you. Again, its fair because both sides have the same advantage.
V/r
Changeup
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NO-Icon is still a good idea. But, I doubt you gents have bothered to test and understand all of the idiosyncrasies of your monster.....
I have...just because I'm an a-hole, and I've gotten shot down in there more times just looking at the differences in the contrast of dots instead of paying attention to what was going on. If you don't have detailed water turned on, some 109s and all U.S. Navy planes low on the water are hard to spot until their basic shapes start to render. As dots, they are black. Zeke's, Spits, some Russian planes and most USAF planes tend to be gray dots instead of black dots. Depending on your graphics settings in game, the basic plane shape will render somewhere between 1.5k and 3k with the default skin showing until you get within visual range for your system to render the skin being used by the other player...assuming of course that you have the same skin downloaded on your system and do not have other player skins turned off.
If you don't mind getting shot down a lot in the MA's, turning the enemy icons on/off is a good way to see some of the things that I mentioned and give you fairly easy to memorize reference points for distances.
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I stopped in briefly last night. The first bogey I saw ran from me and then doubled back when his buddy arrived. They b&z'd my p40e for about 5 minutes before they killed me. Not sayin it's an ava thing, but it was a sub par ava experience. At least the terrain was awesome though!
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I stopped in briefly last night. The first bogey I saw ran from me and then doubled back when his buddy arrived. They b&z'd my p40e for about 5 minutes before they killed me. Not sayin it's an ava thing, but it was a sub par ava experience. At least the terrain was awesome though!
i was in there from about 730 till around 930'ish. the closest thing to bnz i saw, was usually someone that'd come down for the "B" part, but then forget about the "NZ" part.......those normally turned into massive(between 5 and 10 evenly matched) furballs.
and as i mentioned in another thread....something i'[ve seen requested on these very boards true night time. i died during that night time. the trees are over modeled.
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i was in there from about 730 till around 930'ish. the closest thing to bnz i saw, was usually someone that'd come down for the "B" part, but then forget about the "NZ" part.......those normally turned into massive(between 5 and 10 evenly matched) furballs.
and as i mentioned in another thread....something i'[ve seen requested on these very boards true night time. i died during that night time. the trees are over modeled.
Night time and no icons? That would be absurd..
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Night time and no icons? That would be absurd..
it actually wasn't. i was at about 8k alt here.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/avanighttime.jpg)
looking for the bad guys. i could hear em, just couldn't see em. silent6, and ezrhino were down low....they spotted them.
once ya got to where you could see the actual shape of the plane, it was quite easy. not easy to kill....but easy to id that there was a bad guy in front(or in my case in back) of ya.
a couple others, whos names i don't remember, and to be completley honest, i didn't hear a single bad word. the night only lasted for 5 minutes......but it was a looong 5 minutes too. :devil
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I know some players who have a dark monitor. They would stand no chance. Turning up the gamma to the max would give you a huge advantage and also melt your eyeballs.
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I know some players who have a dark monitor. They would stand no chance. Turning up the gamma to the max would give you a huge advantage and also melt your eyeballs.
Nonsense.
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They would stand no chance.
Like the AVA regulars? :D
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I know some players who have a dark monitor. They would stand no chance. Turning up the gamma to the max would give you a huge advantage and also melt your eyeballs.
THE niht only lasts for 5 minutes. there's wind too. forgot about that.
this isn't intended sarcastically.......but surly someone like you would find this to be an interesting challenge?
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The AvA has always been highly underated IMHO.
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THE niht only lasts for 5 minutes. there's wind too. forgot about that.
this isn't intended sarcastically.......but surly someone like you would find this to be an interesting challenge?
A squinting challenge, yeah.
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NM
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A squinting challenge, yeah.
Hello Grizz,
As someone who has very obvious good site lines as far as setting up shots I wanted to get your take. Is it the lack of icons? Is it a bug? Is it that we have gotten used to the "big red here I am and I am this far away" icon to get shot opportunities and maintain SA?
:salute
Way
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i was kind of getting at the fact that i've flown against grizz....he's good.....very good........i'd almost think something like this could add to the fun, whereas right now, as things are, it's gotta be almost routine for him to land multiple kills with ease......
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Whoa fellas I'm not dogging on the no icons setup at all. I think it is interesting and adds a new element to a dogfight. However there is sacrifice that comes with it. When you aren't in a close quarters fight, you have to basically stick your nose up against your monitor looking for bad guys (at least I did last night), which I don't think is very fun(is that an airplane or a bush?). Heck, it would almost be better if there were icons at 5k out that disappeared as you got closer into the 2k range. Is that a silly request? Maybe, but it would at least improve my fun as I wouldn't have troubles at least locating the enemy in a sparce arena up until the point of ACM combat where the icon crutch disappears. My 2c, but it definitely has promise!
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Heck, it would almost be better if there were icons at 5k out that disappeared as you got closer into the 2k range. Is that a silly request?
Not really, been discussed before, but it can't be done, works the other way.
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Not really, been discussed before, but it can't be done, works the other way.
I know it can't be done but that point aside, why would it not be better? It would make my ava experience more enjoyable, isn't that worth something?
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Didn't they have that kind of setup a couple FSOs ago? I could swear they had a setup where the icons cut out at ~200 or maybe it was 400.
I know it was jarring when the icon disappeared that close up, but 2000 or so away it might be less annoying.
Wiley.
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something i found kind of amazing, the very first time i flew in there.
i'd see the dot. i don't have a clue how far out. i could possibly go back and watch the film though, to see.
anyway, i'd see the dot. look on radar, see there were no friendly cons in that area, so i turn in that general direction. at this point, it's still just a dot. can't tell what he's doing. or can i? i don't know if it's me or not, but i'd swear that i can see it getting slightly bigger. then i notice it move to one side or the other, or possibly lose a little alt, as it gets larger.
then you can see wings, and it's on. in that first fight, i had no clue what i was fighting. all i saw was wings go by in a blur. that fight was on for possibly 2 minutes....maybe less. i got a lucky shot, and survived that one.
i think it takes getting used to. i have noticed that all the german planes disappear to me if they're below me....as i can't make them out from the ground clutter. but then again....ain't that what camouflage is supposed to do? if i was on their tail, and managed to keep my eyes on em, i wouldn't lose em.......glance over my shoulder, look back, they've turned.......re-acquiring em can be hard. again...camouflage..........i think. it could also be that i suck. :rofl :rofl
something else that amazes me, is that i sometimes get so focused on my fight, that i only see the con i'm in on. maybe another if he goes through our fight.
then i watch the film.....often i'll see 3 or 4 others in the vicinity that could've come over and picked me....or that could've picked my opponent.
this truly is a different ball game.....doesn't mean anyone in there is any better or worse than others......it's just a different skill set to survive in there. and friggin FUN too.
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Icons should be all or nothing. Having something in between defeats one of the main elements that having no icons brings which is the element of surprise. The fact is, in actual combat, there was a very real danger of being bounced by an unseen enemy. The way AH is right now, that element is greatly reduced because of the icons (not non-existent – but it is reduced). Going into the AVA provides a bit of a change of scenery with an entirely new element factoring into the mix. On the offensive side, you can prowl around and pop unsuspecting enemies. On the defensive side, you have to maintain an even greater level of SA. No icons makes things interesting and fresh and partial icons would defeat that effect.
Having said all of that, I do think that the MA’s should always have icons.
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Quick question, I might of overlooked this, when we switch sides after a capture, are we switching plane sets too?
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i'm not sure, but i think that is the idea.....i think it's meant to be sure no one can claim either side had a distinct advantage due to plane set.
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Ah,....the issue of "no icons" arises again. :joystick: Over the past few weeks there has been a flurry of spirited discussion about the current no icon setup in the AVA. For most who are willing to spend some time and give it a try, no icons is great fun and they keep coming back for more. For those who can't or won't adapt to no icons, there are 10 or 11 other arenas where icons are in full bloom. For those who are still undecided, stick around, and no icons may start to grow on you. :salute
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Ah,....the issue of "no icons" arises again. :joystick: Over the past few weeks there has been a flurry of spirited discussion about the current no icon setup in the AVA. For most who are willing to spend some time and give it a try, no icons is great fun and they keep coming back for more. For those who can't or won't adapt to no icons, there are 10 or 11 other arenas where icons are in full bloom. For those who are still undecided, stick around, and no icons may start to grow on you. :salute
they're growing on me. kinda like a fungus. :rofl :neener: :noid
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Ah,....the issue of "no icons" arises again. :joystick: Over the past few weeks there has been a flurry of spirited discussion about the current no icon setup in the AVA. For most who are willing to spend some time and give it a try, no icons is great fun and they keep coming back for more. For those who can't or won't adapt to no icons, there are 10 or 11 other arenas where icons are in full bloom. For those who are still undecided, stick around, and no icons may start to grow on you. :salute
I think the lack of low-con visibility is really answered by inbound alt now that I think about it. If you come in around 6K, that would be a heck of a climb to get at you for a sneaky, Rammey-the-tard kind of kill. On the other hand, it really lessons your ability to see much below you...which would allow Rammey-the-tard to make it home or just wait on some other arena noob to come trolling by.
If you set the DAR to track cons at 100ft AGL + I think you're good....you can at least see inbound cons on the clipboard. Last night the DAR didn't work at all and when I took off from my base, I was leaving desert area about 2 clicks away from the base....couldn't figure that one out. It looked like the map wasn't in sync with the DAR.
Changeup
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I know it can't be done but that point aside, why would it not be better? It would make my ava experience more enjoyable, isn't that worth something?
Maybe, maybe not, but I think we would all agree it would be good to have the tools to be able to try it and find out.
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I think the lack of low-con visibility is really answered by inbound alt now that I think about it. If you come in around 6K, that would be a heck of a climb to get at you for a sneaky, Rammey-the-tard kind of kill. On the other hand, it really lessons your ability to see much below you...which would allow Rammey-the-tard to make it home or just wait on some other arena noob to come trolling by.
If you set the DAR to track cons at 100ft AGL + I think you're good....you can at least see inbound cons on the clipboard. Last night the DAR didn't work at all and when I took off from my base, I was leaving desert area about 2 clicks away from the base....couldn't figure that one out. It looked like the map wasn't in sync with the DAR.
Changeup
the dar was porked on both sides of the furball.
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No icons is all about reality of the historical time period. Setting the dar down low makes it like a modern day radar. Obviously, unrealistic in WWII. Yeah, no icons makes it much tougher and requires each of us to be on constant lockout. That's why in real air combat, there are always formations of 2 or multiples of 2.....mutual support. If someone is cruising along, not checking their own six, and expecting someone out there somewhere to check it for them, there's disappointment coming soon.....and in multiples of two. Well, at least if Jappa and I around. :D. :salute
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Hey Grizz, I was not poking at ya bud. I was asking a sincere opinion. Thansk for responding.
Back to the task at hand men! You to AVAR's! :D
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Hey Grizz, I was not poking at ya bud. I was asking a sincere opinion. Thansk for responding.
Back to the task at hand men! You to AVAR's! :D
i like grizz.....and hope what i was saying wasn't being taken the wrong way either........ :aok
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No icons is all about reality of the historical time period. Setting the dar down low makes it like a modern day radar. Obviously, unrealistic in WWII. Yeah, no icons makes it much tougher and requires each of us to be on constant lockout. That's why in real air combat, there are always formations of 2 or multiples of 2.....mutual support. If someone is cruising along, not checking their own six, and expecting someone out there somewhere to check it for them, there's disappointment coming soon.....and in multiples of two. Well, at least if Jappa and I around. :D. :salute
after about 10 deaths to cons i never saw last night......i learned one thing. fly low. 1,000agl or less. you can easily see co=alt cons and those above you. once you've gotten the lay of the land, you can climb, and set up your attack...or in my case, my cartoon death.
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I feel your pain Cap. Staying in the low altitudes does have an advantage in VID and can eliminate maneuvering room for that one trying to sneak up on you. Although I seem to get a lot of nose bleeds way up there at a 1,000 feet. :bolt: check six! :O
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I feel your pain Cap. Staying in the low altitudes does have an advantage in VID and can eliminate maneuvering room for that one trying to sneak up on you. Although I seem to get a lot of nose bleeds way up there at a 1,000 feet. :bolt: check six! :O
:rofl
yea....it's kinda fun when you feel as if you're too high at 1k.
soulss had warned me about fighting the 109f's in my pee38. told me they'd have me for lunch if i tried turning with them at low speed.
i shoulda listened to him. :rofl :noid
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That's what makes it so much fun, Cap; the challenge of the impossible. :x
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*pulls out his troll whacking stick* ....... yes, my *troll whacking stick*
*thwap!*
AvA forum and the Icon/No-icon discussion is thata way. ---------------------------------------->
Quick question, I might of overlooked this, when we switch sides after a capture, are we switching plane sets too?
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*pulls out his troll whacking stick* ....... yes, my *troll whacking stick*
*thwap!*
AvA forum and the Icon/No-icon discussion is thata way. ---------------------------------------->
<<quickly chanes the subject to night time>>
i alllllmoooosssst had this guy. :devil
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/avanighttimeinthesights.jpg)
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after about 10 deaths to cons i never saw last night......i learned one thing. fly low. 1,000agl or less. you can easily see co=alt cons and those above you. once you've gotten the lay of the land, you can climb, and set up your attack...or in my case, my cartoon death.
You know it's really fascinating to watch the evolving tactics that the no icons, weather, and such, are causing.
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So pigs are the AVAR gonna see what an old fashioned CPM is about???
Fyi CPM is critical Pig mass, aka pigs stpmping all the red.
OIMK OINK
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yall better start practicing your Ned Beatty maneuvers.. Just sayin :eek:
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i have this maneuver.....i knock a few parts off of my plane, and pretend to be going down. the only problem, is i usually AM going down.
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LOL cap that sounds like a manuever I would pull..hmmm I think that's how I took the name LawnDart...
OINK OINK
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Town killing??? Thought this was for fighting.
Will it be more like the MAs just without icons? :(
I can understand why some wouldn't want to participate in any territory capture but why would just having it going on be a turnoff?
Should still be plenty of air to air opportunities.
Air to air guys could have a lot of action interdicting air raids.
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Ah cut Shuff some slack Jimson, it's hard to deal with the Pigs total package! :aok
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shuffler's a great guy.....he's good to fly with and against.
in fact, the only bad thing i can find about him so far, is that he bought his daughter a chevy, rather than a real car. :neener: :noid
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shuffler's a great guy.....he's good to fly with and against.
in fact, the only bad thing i can find about him so far, is that he bought his daughter a chevy, rather than a real car. :neener: :noid
I like Shuff, he is an ok feller. He just enjoys a way too narrow slice of the Aces High pie. I'm cool with that. :aok
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I like Shuff, he is an ok feller. He just enjoys a way too narrow slice of the Aces High pie. I'm cool with that. :aok
you'd be surprised. i've seen him in a gv. i might even have film. :noid
i been trying to get him back into the ava, 'cause i think his first times kind of sucked...i think he got in on a bad night, not like the ones we've had in there the last few nights.
i think(and i could be wrong here) that he may also be thinking that with base taking in here, it's going to turn into another main arena, which i think(and hope) it will not do.
so far, the only horde i've seen in here, has been that big mixed ball of cartoon airplanes trying to shoot each other down. that brings me to a question. how the hell did a big fight get the nickname "furball"?
maybe tonight, i'll put on my sexy dress, and my cfm heels, to lure him in there. :noid :neener: :D
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i think(and i could be wrong here) that he may also be thinking that with base taking in here, it's going to turn into another main arena, which i think(and hope) it will not do.
First it is a Main Arena like all the others. The difference is that it is an underpopulated, and underutilized Main Arena. My hope is that some life will be breathed into the AVA through activities such as the planned whomping of the AVAR's. No smarta** question here Cap: Why enable GV's, bombers, ords, ack, and such if there is not a want/desire for these things to occur? Mind you, I could care less either way, as I get my fill in the LWAs.
:salute
Way
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First it is a Main Arena like all the others. The difference is that it is an underpopulated, and underutilized Main Arena. My hope is that some life will be breathed into the AVA through activities such as the planned whomping of the AVAR's. No smarta** question here Cap: Why enable GV's, bombers, ords, ack, and such if there is not a want/desire for these things to occur? Mind you, I could care less either way, as I get my fill in the LWAs.
:salute
Way
well.....i think they should be enabled.
i think that if nothing else, they can be used to start a fight. a good one. there's been times that i've taken a tank to a base, and keep shooting at stuff, till some people start upping aircraft....then some friendly aircraft come in. then i ditch outta the tank, and come back to join in the fight in the air.
i realize this is a main arena just like the others. but there IS a difference. the biggest difference, is the atmosphere, and the attitude of the cartoon pile-its. in here, it's all about fun.
could you imagine how fast this arena would go down the pooper if a certain mw base rolling squad were to come in on a regular basis? they'd run the attitude right off the bottom of the scale with their antics.
the other night, i got rammed by rammey......it wasn't his fault, but rather mine, as i cut the turn too soon. the dude came on open channel, and apologized, AND exited the fight. i didn't expect either........but they were appreciated.
i ho'd twizzty, but thought he was going away. soonz i realized the mistake, i broke off. apologized to him, and he didn't care.......no bs there.
the point is that the atmosphere is a good one in here.
oh yea.....if you're flying 38's against 109f's...........beware. :devil
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shuffler's a great guy.....he's good to fly with and against.
in fact, the only bad thing i can find about him so far, is that he bought his daughter a chevy, rather than a real car. :neener: :noid
well it will build leg muscles what with her pedaling all of the time
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Yeah Cap, With the exception of two AVA regulars, all have displayed a great attitude. With that said, it's about the same ratio of good to bad apples in any arena. The only difference in say the Late War arenas, is that ratio means there is probably 10-20 bad apples at any one time.
I am getting at the perception that if it's not in a fighter, then it's not a fight. Maybe it's a difference in game experience or something. I enjoy the whole pie that Aces High offers us:fighters, bombers, attack planes, GV's, PT boats, field guns, carrier guns, shore batteries, all of it. The whole pie, not a narrow slice. Some folks are only interested in the air-to-air aspect of the game. This again is cool with me, but it is a definite limiter on the AVA.
This is why I think the AVAR's will truly have their hands full, because the Pigs will bring all the toys available into this event! Get ready AVAR's!!! :x
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well as Chalenge can attest to I'm not a GV'r but I'm willing to learn
Bottom line(s) for me at least is
A) The fantastic attitudes of the AVA regs, Waystins crew, and some of the new blood that have poked their heads in lately.
B) No icons... hated it at first but found out it's a great equalizer for the less that great pilets like myself. Tactics have to evolve a bit and we're there to be a part of it and learn from it.
C) The challenge of of changing environment. Night fighting is dang interesting.
D) The camaraderie of most of the people who enjoy the arena. If somebody on my 'side' is gaming the game I'll cheerfully hang them out to dry. Oh gosh you got picked what a pity...
E) Switching sides for balance. I used to HATE being assigned to axis iron or EW planes. Now I look forward to the challenge of not only learning to use them but survive in them and, hopefully, get some scalps in them. I've even developed a fondness for the 109 that I never expected to embrace. When I log on the first thing I check is 'roster' if it's 5 to 4 I jump to the 4 side even if I'm not familiar with the vehicles assigned. I see that a lot of other guys do this as well.
F) The fact that the AVA team plays with us, listens to us, and solicits our input. They can't do everything for everybody and that's a given but they are constantly trying to improve our gaming experience. (I'd like my aamrams now thanks)
G) And lastly getting acquainted with people who I've seen on the boards but never flown with / against.
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Ah cut Shuff some slack Jimson, it's hard to deal with the Pigs total package! :aok
Shuffler is cool by me, I just think the playing styles can complement each other rather than be mutually exclusive.
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Shuffler is cool by me, I just think the playing styles can complement each other rather than be mutually exclusive.
they can, and do....and i suspect we'll see him in there again. even if i have to lure him in there with the threat of a new supercharged blender. :devil
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the dar was porked on both sides of the furball.
I know but that shouldn't have eliminated the DAR bars...only the dots.
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I know but that shouldn't have eliminated the DAR bars...only the dots.
aahh....i haven't seen a properly functioning bar in there since i started going in.
someone said it had to do with the scaled down maps?
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the twin rivers map does some screw things sometimes. the darbar is one of the problems. it comes and goes.
on a lighter note, Death to the pigs, only 1 day to go!!!!
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Thanks guys!
I'm honestly humbled by the comments.
I'd like to clear up a couple of misconceptions/ misunderstandings. I have been into the AVA a few times and had an absolute great time except for the last. That was maybe 2 weeks back. Two times I upped only to be HO'd when I was outnumberd 3 vs 1 and then 4 vs 1. It made me hope we were not bringing in the wrong folks. More likely, as Cap said, a bad night.
I do not mean the AVA is not any good. The AVA is a great place with a great setup. Jaeger and the staff are hard at work on making it the place to be. I am in full support of their efforts.
Not every event held in there will be what everyone is looking for. You just can't please everyone. It is completely unimportant if I like it or not. The AVA needs the different events to interest everyone at one time or another. I won't be there for every event.... that does not mean I do not support the Staff's efforts. These folks take time out of their flying to work on setting up events so that we may fly, drive, float all the time.
A really big thanks to the AVA Staff!!
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Not to hijack...... but if you have not seen my Daughter's camaro.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKVcrJ9G6_c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKVcrJ9G6_c)
...and here someone filmed it entering the Super Chevy carshow with our H-Town Camaro Club...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbroThaBCYQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbroThaBCYQ)
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Dang nice looking car Shuff :aok
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Thanks guys!
I'm honestly humbled by the comments.
I'd like to clear up a couple of misconceptions/ misunderstandings. I have been into the AVA a few times and had an absolute great time except for the last. That was maybe 2 weeks back. Two times I upped only to be HO'd when I was outnumberd 3 vs 1 and then 4 vs 1. It made me hope we were not bringing in the wrong folks. More likely, as Cap said, a bad night.
I do not mean the AVA is not any good. The AVA is a great place with a great setup. Jaeger and the staff are hard at work on making it the place to be. I am in full support of their efforts.
Not every event held in there will be what everyone is looking for. You just can't please everyone. It is completely unimportant if I like it or not. The AVA needs the different events to interest everyone at one time or another. I won't be there for every event.... that does not mean I do not support the Staff's efforts. These folks take time out of their flying to work on setting up events so that we may fly, drive, float all the time.
A really big thanks to the AVA Staff!!
I can't speak to the HO's and such, but having the Shuffler in attendance is politely requested. Further, don't think I did not see you in that SDK last night. You're practicing for Tuesday aren't you Shuff? :D
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I can't speak to the HO's and such, but having the Shuffler in attendance is politely requested. Further, don't think I did not see you in that SDK last night. You're practicing for Tuesday aren't you Shuff? :D
we painted "PEE38" on the side, and parked it on the flight line. he'd had one too many margaritas, and fell for our evil plan to get him into a gv. :devil
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There were so many friendly birds up so I went in with the sdk. I successfully uprooted one tree and many blades of grass met their untimely death.
I then ran in circles with BAIT painted on my doors. I heard many warnings about tigers, flaks and several others. They would say that one or another was close to me without reference to direction. I ended up using the eeny meeeny miny mo selection process.
I was successfull till I rolled off into a big ol' drainage ditch of some sort. I bailed and someone got a kill. :rofl
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So this is how bad it has gotten? The AVAR's are so freaked about this upcoming fight, that they are forcing poor Shuffler into SDK training? :D
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if only i could get home in time.
my most likely time arriving home tomorrow night will be around 1200 to 1230 eastern. if i'm not nearing passing out, i may hafta pop in and see who kicked whom's cartoon buttocks.
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Pork butts are great to mix with vinison.
I know it must be the "pits". I appologize to the potw. I'm just "ribbing" ya. For some reason I'm just "hamming" it up.
Here want an apple? I notice yall seem to have a preference for apples............
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTk8YB-8UF71tVS_8jzdtbY_wFoEUPT5L5DHRRC0CEKNGnAzTk&t=1&usg=__1WtXjbmzquMb4eQuo09g46i9QgA=)
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Pigs love apples...
(http://www.futurepig.com/DTP_533.jpg)
...could you put that on your head please.
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I won't open that door, pigs are smarter than you think...
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1550370383.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
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*insert witty piggy joke here*
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Come with your jokes little girls....tomorrow we will see whos joking :rock
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now now don't get your tail in a twist...
oh.. sorry that's genetic :D
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I know that POTW are above par pile-its they must be handicaped et all but, come on, how fair will it be if they are flying those B-38 bombers? :bolt:
:D joking I'll drop by if I can :aok
Cheers all,
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Just a little clue as to what the pigs are like..
Waystin and Changeup on the bbs are the nicest people you will ever meet, in the air they are ruthless.
Tempest and Semp, get a little alcohol in them and they become machines.(Killing that is)
USVI and Wilddog1 you won't see them till they are on your sicx, then its too late.
Wildsbabe, she is a sneaky little sow, just when you think you hae repelled the pigpile she drops her troops and steals your base from ya.
Lawndart well I don't care ill keep taking out the ack at the base to get the pig pile started.
That is a few of us swine. I purposly left out alopt of our squddies so you won't know what to expect.
OINK
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I know that POTW are above par pile-its they must be handicaped et all but, come on, how fair will it be if they are flying those B-38 bombers? :bolt:
:D joking I'll drop by if I can :aok
Cheers all,
How hard can it be? No torque, Hangs on its prop for days, fast, great guns, more, more, more..........
Just because we dont fly it often doesnt mean we cant fly it(one of my few round wins in KOTH was in the 38G<6 kills>)
:aok
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How hard can it be? No torque, Hangs on its prop for days, fast, great guns, more, more, more..........
Just because we dont fly it often doesnt mean we cant fly it(one of my few round wins in KOTH was in the 38G<6 kills>)
:aok
you're thinking the "J". the "G" doesn't like going uphill, as i can atest tonight, making myself an easy kill for ya, as i hung there in the stall........ :D
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No prob that 109 im gonna fly hangs on the prop pretty well itself. can someone say Canadian Bacon :x
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No prob that 109 im gonna fly hangs on the prop pretty well itself. can someone say Canadian Bacon :x
Ill see your 109 with a spit 5 :devil
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Sons of Miss Piggy! Sons of Porky! My brothers!
I see in your eyes no fear of the AVAR's.
A day may come when the courage of swine fails.
When we forsake our mudpen and break all bonds of of the pack.
But it is not this challenge!
Hours of vulchers and spawn campers, when the Age of Pig comes crashing down.
But it is not this challenge!
This day we fight!
By all that you hold dear in Aces High
I bid you stand, Pigs On The Wing!
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NICE!
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NICE!
Not tonight.... :D
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Ya put 1 too many "sons" in the quote. :P
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tonight's forecast: raining pork chops, with a chance of Bacon! :D
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since i can't be there, i can't wait to see screen shots and films frrom this. :aok
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tonight's forecast: raining pork chops, with a chance of Bacon! :D
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/100720/soup-nazi_320.jpg)
No swine for you!
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Ya put 1 too many "sons" in the quote. :P
Come on in tonight, and we'll show ya how it's done, son.
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Four panzers shooting all the fhs. tsk tsk I left at that.
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Four panzers shooting all the fhs. tsk tsk I left at that.
ahhh, nothing a well placed torpedo wouldn't take care off. ;)
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Fighting is being epic right now.
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One more hour left on my shift at work. I hope the pigs oft me something to shoot at :).
Semp
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LOL I think you mean Pigs on the Name. :aok
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LOL I think you mean Pigs on the Name. :aok
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CWjowTdiprw/Sz-8d-UuMjI/AAAAAAAAAjY/B6q5HHbCrKE/s320/Obsessive.jpg)
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Four panzers shooting all the fhs. tsk tsk I left at that.
I am saddened you left Shuffler. As i have said before to each their own. Incidentally the hangars never went down until way later that night after some serious battling ground and air. You missed it! TSK TSK
PS-USVI don't feed the trolls...
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ahhh, nothing a well placed torpedo wouldn't take care off. ;)
Pfft we had rearmed the torpedos with triple-sec and cuervo.
Actually the base was kamikazed so everything was porked. Happens with no life limits. I'm sure both sides were guilty of that.