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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Perrine on September 24, 2010, 04:44:46 PM
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Everytime I log on there's just 0 or single digit players in there.
Not to mention the stalemate in the frontlines that it's as good as WW1.
I think most people shy away from these arenas is because we're forced to capture so many bases using 'inferior' defensive (fighters, interceptors) and offensive (bombers, attackers) tools compared to what's widely used in late war arena.
How about this to make it a bit popular and make it more attractable?
Use small maps and reduce the number of fields so wars can be won quickly!
In mid war reduce the number of fields and to just 20 each side
In early war reduce the number of fields to just 10 each side
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Everytime I log on there's just 0 or single digit players in there.
Not to mention the stalemate in the frontlines that it's as good as WW1.
How about this to make it a bit popular and make it more attractable?
Use small maps and reduce the number of fields so wars can be won quickly!
In mid war reduce the number of fields and to just 20 each side
In early war reduce the number of fields to just 10 each side
So one person would just have to capture 4 vehicle fields on each side and win the war single handily? lol
I don't think map size is the issue, people want to have fun, and fun usually involves other players, otherwise we'd all be perfectly content in offline mode. So it's not a problem with arena set-up, I think there are usually low numbers because there are low numbers.
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EW has definitely taken a population hit since the new setup ( was poor to start with), MW seems about the same. In my opinion.
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MW is where I spend 90% of my time so from my perspective MW is a success. I spend 9% of my time in WW1 (which will become more popular as more rides are added, I think) and 1% of my time in LW. I should spend more time in EW but have come to like the crowd in MW a lot.
so THERE :neener:
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Actually both those arenas had a reasonable player base at 1 time.
But some players seemed to object to these players way of having fun and made enough noise about it that the player base moved on to other things. So I think the question isnt why are these arenas a flop but more like why do others care about the way some players want to have fun.
Of course YMMV!
:salute
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I suppose those who do populate those arenas may do so because they view a particular style of game play as superior. They get their run, until a different group gains the majority and pushes them out. Just a theory.
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Most people don't like MW and EW because they can't up the pick-tard planes and the hotrods such as:
P51-D
Tempest
Typhoon(perked)
262
234
B24-B17(EW)
Lancaster(Perked in EW)
109K4(EW)
P47M
Spit14
Spit16
F4U4
F4U1C
etc.
etc.
The arena names are exactly what is allowed in the arena.
ie: "MidWar", only planes from the "midddle of the war" are allowed in the arena, same for the early war arena.
That is my opinion in why people don't fly in the MW and EW.
Amaze
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I suppose those who do populate those arenas may do so because they view a particular style of game play as superior. They get their run, until a different group gains the majority and pushes them out. Just a theory.
That is the majority of every arena, of every game, ever created....ever. People have egos (not not eggos!) and will think their style of play is better. LW is populated because people think their style of play in there is superior. See? Works both ways.
:)
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The main reason is: Numbers breed numbers. Few people on login screen means even less people bother to join that arena.
But there's is more to it. Several factors contributed to the decline particularly of the EW, (I can't say much about MW):
When the initial craze was over, the majority of players migrated back to LW. Partly because of less limited plane and GV choices (only 1 tak in EW for example), which was even more important as all gameplay settings were identically with LW. So you had field ack, CV & strat puffy ack at the same fierce levels as neccessary in LW, but with much slower, more fragile planes that carried a lot less guns & bombs).
Then the EW was (and still is) the Hurri 2C arena, which quickly dominated the arena in a way that would quickly had put a perk tag on it in LW, but in EW it didn't even go to ENY 5.
Which meant a horde (country drastically outnumbering it's opposition) could swarm you with Hurri 2C, a gross imbalance that never was corrected.
And that imbalance was getting even bigger as player numbers further declined. Some squads did start to make EW their home, but their numbers became a problem. You would usually see country numbers like 20-2-0, as they refused to split up ("Is it our fault the Knits don't come here to defend?") - Which made this arena even more unattractive to anyone not only interested in unopposed base captures). When logging in, you only had the choice to go with the horde against undefended bases, or fight against 10+ Hurri 2C's all on your own.
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with one exception...and you guys know what i mean.......midwar is the best place to fight.
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Spit14
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Yeah, that Spit XIV sure is tearing it up in Late War. :rolleyes:
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MW has the best planeset of all 3. It allso has some of the best fights :cheers:
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MW has the best planeset of all 3. It allso has some of the best fights :cheers:
'specially when you;re tooling around in your a20 o doom. :aok
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Sometimes looks can be deceiving mid war in particular contains a lot of the better vet sticks some of the best in game in fact. Each to their own they obviously find something attractive about it as they choose it over the MA.
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Everytime I log on there's just 0 or single digit players in there.
Not to mention the stalemate in the frontlines that it's as good as WW1.
I think most people shy away from these arenas is because we're forced to capture so many bases using 'inferior' defensive (fighters, interceptors) and offensive (bombers, attackers) tools compared to what's widely used in late war arena.
How about this to make it a bit popular and make it more attractable?
Use small maps and reduce the number of fields so wars can be won quickly!
In mid war reduce the number of fields and to just 20 each side
In early war reduce the number of fields to just 10 each side
How about play to fight. Winning the war does nothing.
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How about play to fight. Winning the war does nothing.
Neither does winning the fight, basically it is six of one half dozen of the other.
My Opinion
Fred
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Neither does winning the fight, basically it is six of one half dozen of the other.
My Opinion
Fred
everybody has their own idea of fun.
some of us like to fight, sometimes in furballs, sometimes 1-1. we like dancing in the sky to gain advantage, and hopefully victory.
some like to capture bases. same thing. they like to have those massive tank/gv battles on the ground.
some like to capture undefended bases.....and will head to the next undefended base if they encounter resistance.
some like to bomb.......not necessarily for any reason other than to hit their target, and get their ships back on the ground.
as long as you're not grieving anyone, just play to your idea of fun, and the rest will come naturally.
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with one exception...and you guys know what i mean.......midwar is the best place to fight.
What that all the good pilots are in LW? :banana:
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everybody has their own idea of fun.
some of us like to fight, sometimes in furballs, sometimes 1-1. we like dancing in the sky to gain advantage, and hopefully victory.
some like to capture bases. same thing. they like to have those massive tank/gv battles on the ground.
some like to capture undefended bases.....and will head to the next undefended base if they encounter resistance.
some like to bomb.......not necessarily for any reason other than to hit their target, and get their ships back on the ground.
as long as you're not grieving anyone, just play to your idea of fun, and the rest will come naturally.
Who'd you plagiarize that from? It's too articulate and well-written to come from you. :D
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The majority of players don't want to fight 2nd best v 2nd best aircraft. They're just like real pilots and want the best in the air. WW1 and EW are not what most players want. They should try a Korea arena. Mig Alley would easily out draw WW1 and EW combined.
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If planes were added that filled in the gaps of the early and mid war plane sets you would see an increase in the population for both arenas.
ack-ack
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I suppose it's a matter of having everything vs having your choices limited. Granted, the few times I've flown mid-war I've enjoyed it, especially since in most cases "gentlman's rules" apply. (1v1 challenges, asking before getting into a fight, etc.)
In contrast, MA is *very* competitive. There's far less cross-country chatter (at least in messages) and forget going 1v1.
If early and mid war had something to make them unique it would probably be more interesting. Maybe add 1 or 2 planes that you can only fly in each setting? (Curtiss Hawk, French birds, etc?)
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hmmmm sounds like EW and MW need to get some dedicated players / squads to populate the arenas and try to draw some competition in. Seems to be working elsewhere.
Or, in other words, HT sold you the toys it's up to you to make them work for you.
Just sayin...
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hmmmm sounds like EW and MW need to get some dedicated players / squads to populate the arenas and try to draw some competition in. Seems to be working elsewhere.
Or, in other words, HT sold you the toys it's up to you to make them work for you.
Just sayin...
HiTech sold us nothing.....we're simply on a life-long leasing contract. :D
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What that all the good pilots are in LW? :banana:
sttteeeeeeeeeRIKE 1 :neener:
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Lusche wins.
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If planes were added that filled in the gaps of the early and mid war plane sets you would see an increase in the population for both arenas.
ack-ack
there was a time when ew was fairly popular.
it seemed that every night going in there, there were between 40 and 60 pile-its in there.
then came a base rolling squad. we used to try to fight against them a lot. it didn't happen. they'd run to an undefended base, and repeat.....we'd move there, they'd run to another. they'd sometimes even start attacking another country, so we couldn't defend, unless we switched sides.....
we moved out of that arena into mw. it was pretty popular. more pile-its than ew had. good fights to be had everywhere.
then came a base rolling squad. they're better than the ew rolling squad though, as they often times will fight. the problem with this one, is that they become the mw version of a horde. i know, because i used to be in that squad. i'd come flying to the fight, and see 6 or 7 friendlies on 1 red guy. i know that couldn't have been fun for the red guy, and i for the life of me can't understand how it was fun for all 7 of the friendlies.
now that i'm not in that squad anymore(and i do like quite a few of their members), i'm on the other side of htat horde. when they're going for the capture, many of them will take pretty much every cheap shot in the book. often when they have you outnumbered, and have no need to do so.
these same ones will also whine, cry, and complain when the tables turn. again.........this takes the fun out of it, as they grieve defenders. many members of that squad are cool people, and great to fight with/against.
i think this is what killed ew, rather than the plane set.....and i think this is what is killing mw, rather than the plane set.
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If planes were added that filled in the gaps of the early and mid war plane sets you would see an increase in the population for both arenas.
No.
I want to point out that even the addition of 3 new planes (including the mighty Brewster) didn't change anything.
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Who'd you plagiarize that from? It's too articulate and well-written to come from you. :D
i was having one of those "moments" :devil :angel:
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No.
I want to point out that even the addition of 3 new planes (including the mighty Brewster) didn't change anything.
adding the brewster seems to have added to the guys that'll turn into your attack, and face shoot ya.
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EW has always had low player numbers. Plus if you want to GV you have the T-34/76 and the T-34/76 did I mention the T-34/76. Even one more tank say the Panzer-III with the 50MM gun would be nice but more equipment will not change things as to the number of players in those arenas. I always look at numbers of players when I log in and always log into the arena that has the highest number of players. Sometimes I will log into another less populated arena to escape certain maps I hate. I can think of no cleaver answer to the low numbers in WWI EW and MD. While I like MW play the best it would seem I am a minority. It is what it is.
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EW has always had low player numbers. Plus if you want to GV you have the T-34/76 and the T-34/76 did I mention the T-34/76. Even one more tank say the Panzer-III with the 50MM gun would be nice but more equipment will not change things as to the number of players in those arenas. I always look at numbers of players when I log in and always log into the arena that has the highest number of players. Sometimes I will log into another less populated arena to escape certain maps I hate. I can think of no cleaver answer to the low numbers in WWI EW and MD. While I like MW play the best it would seem I am a minority. It is what it is.
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you know how many people say "if there were higher numbers, i'd go there"? and then they all never go there? yet, if all that said that about any particular arena went there, then said arena would be more highly populated?
i kind of proved a point of going to an arena with the ava last week. i logged in. there were only 2 in there when i did. so i went wasting time shooting ground targets. within 45 minutes, there were 10 in there. made for some great fights. i know 10 isn't a lot, but it proves a point.....if you might want to go to an arena, but see low numbers...go there anyway, and more will come.
and FYI........neither of those arenas mentioned in the OP are failures. they both have dedicated players, which in my opinion makes them a success.
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I agree with the numbers thing. People go to where the most are when they log in. If for some odd reason everyone in the LW decided to go EW, the next guy to log in would see EW max'd out and go there.
Why LW has the numbers to begin with I agree with the hotrod idea, as well as you can get all the rides you want.
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I always look at numbers of players when I log in and always log into the arena that has the highest number of players.
That's the thing you can't discount.
Start with the fact that most players prefer the LW planes, then even though there may be a sizable number of players that would prefer EW, MW, or the AvA, a lot of them will trade their preference for the arena that has the most players in it.
It's a self perpetuating "lemming effect".
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it was not so in past time ... :devil
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wanna see something interesting, and kind of funny?
stand outside of a mall on the sidewalk. don't say anything. just look up. watch how many people look up to see what you're looking at.
now, take that to ah. go into an empty arena. give it a few. more will most likely come.
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there you go using logic again.. I can see heads exploding all around the world
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there you go using logic again.. I can see heads exploding all around the world
well....the looking up thing.....that;s always been good for a silly laugh, as long as i can remember. best part is if you can get the same people more than once. :rofl
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cap is right at the time of the arena split we chose to stay in the EW arena. and at that time we could see like over 40 people in EW .and there was 2 main squads that had some real good fights .till 1 squad decided to play the game for squad standings .and they started dodging the defended bases.so we decided to move on to midwar
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cap is right at the time of the arena split we chose to stay in the EW arena. and at that time we could see like over 40 people in EW .and there was 2 main squads that had some real good fights .till 1 squad decided to play the game for squad standings .and they started dodging the defended bases.so we decided to move on to midwar
hey dood.....you tried the ava yet? if you get in there when there's numbers, you're very likely to find excellent fights.......but there are no icons for the bad guys.
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no cap ive been thinking about going in there whens a good time?
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no cap ive been thinking about going in there whens a good time?
i've had good luck between 7'ish and 9'ish eastern.
often there's only about 10 or 15 people...but it's small maps, and that keeps the action going.
the other night, there was non stop fighting from around 7 or so when i got on, and it was still going strong wheni logged out a lil after 9.......
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This coming Tuesday night 8:30 CST leaps to mind.
My AH routine
Fire up AH, go to offline, calibrate, log out, log in online arenas, go to AVA, hmmmm.. If A) no numbers pick something to annoy enemy bases with. Somebody will come online soon. If B) there are people on, check side balance, go to the low side, see where the fight is, pick a platform, and head into the fight.
Fly, drive, whatever..., kill or die.. toss my opponent(s) a <S> and a grin, possibly a humorous (to me at least comment), and go at it again.
Go look at the pics in the AVA forum. Good times are there to be had.
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10watt light bulb, no moths.
250watt light bulb, a few hundred moths.
Simple as that.
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10watt light bulb, no moths.
250watt light bulb, a few hundred moths.
Simple as that.
Yeah, in other words: No hotrod rides = nobody wants to fly there = nobody else wants to fly there.
Sad, really. Those planes are fun, but people these days don't have the patience to fly planes that aren't heavy with cannon/taters/lasers and don't go 400 mph in level flight.
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Whatever you do, dont tell the LW crowd about the endless supply of untainted sheep in th MW areana :P
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Yeah, in other words: No hotrod rides = nobody wants to fly there = nobody else wants to fly there.
Sad, really. Those planes are fun, but people these days don't have the patience to fly planes that aren't heavy with cannon/taters/lasers and don't go 400 mph in level flight.
yup not many kids under 20 have the patience.
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yup not many kids under 20 have the patience.
Hehehe...seems like not many kids OVER 20, either.
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the Midwar and the AVA are in my opinion, the 2 best arena's, bar none!
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yup not many kids under 20 have the patience.
i don;t think it's a problem with patience.
i think it's more like todays kids(both old and young) seem to lack the balls for a challenge. they seem to feel that a challenge only makes things harder. they don't seem to realize that taking on those challenges not only improves their ability in whatever area they're doing it in, but that same challenge also provides fun, and a MASSIVE sense of satisfaction, once you've accomplished your goal.
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adding the brewster seems to have added to the guys that'll turn into your attack, and face shoot ya.
With those 4 mg's it's not much to worry about though and it only shows they can't do any ACM.
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ACM is in the past .the game turned into 3 ways to fight getting ganged,ganging or the good old HO.unless you are lucky enough to find a vet of the game lost somewhere far away from the horde's that took this game over.
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With those 4 mg's it's not much to worry about though and it only shows they can't do any ACM.
maybe they had them overmodeled at first then?
the only 2 times i've ever fought the brew, was 1)as i finished off a con at around 4k alt, i saw the brew down low.......went in for him, he dodged. knowing my pee38 couldn't even hope to turn with him, i went nose up. from D600, with me pulling away hard, he hit me hard enough to open the leak valve in one of my fuel tanks, open a leak valve in one of my cooling systems, and a leak valve in one of my engine oiling systems.
the second fight, the brew never stood a chance.....was up high, and by the time he saw me coming, his tail was gone.
both of these were a few updates ago.
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Neither does winning the fight, basically it is six of one half dozen of the other.
My Opinion
Fred
The game is all about fighting..... hence Aces High. I get more perks in one sortie than you'll get winning the war. :D
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:lol that's a good point. :aok
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The game is all about fighting..... hence Aces High. I get more perks in one sortie than you'll get winning the war. :D
Didn't know I was "winning" the war". Never cared one way or another.
Really don't care about perks either.
I am happy you can get so many perk points in one sortie and with that statement you seem to direct it at me like I cared. Go get your perk points and be happy, but then reread my post and maybe you will understand what I was saying, but then again maybe you won't.
One more thing, the front page on the website says "combat experience". Funny it doesn't say anything about just "fighting". "Combat Experience" can mean a lot of things. Whats enjoyable to one may not be to another. :aok
Fred
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Sorry, double post
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Yeah, that Spit XIV sure is tearing it up in Late War. :rolleyes:
fly it right and you have the best spit in the game...
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everybody has their own idea of fun.
some of us like to fight, sometimes in furballs, sometimes 1-1. we like dancing in the sky to gain advantage, and hopefully victory.
some like to capture bases. same thing. they like to have those massive tank/gv battles on the ground.
some like to capture undefended bases.....and will head to the next undefended base if they encounter resistance.
some like to bomb.......not necessarily for any reason other than to hit their target, and get their ships back on the ground.
as long as you're not grieving anyone, just play to your idea of fun, and the rest will come naturally.
and some like me love the full package :aok
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ACM is in the past .the game turned into 3 ways to fight getting ganged,ganging or the good old HO.unless you are lucky enough to find a vet of the game lost somewhere far away from the horde's that took this game over.
ACM's still very much around. and those wonderful HO's can be rolled out of and the enemy just has absoLUTELY no idea what you just did :lol many times i have rolled 360 degrees at 1k away from an enemy HOer to have them miss me. it's kinda like Bull Fighting (see the red sheet? I WANT SHEET! MUST HIT!!! then the guy moves out of the way and the bull's looking around wondering what happened). SA and ACM is still very much alive even in the LW. learn to use it and suddenly youll have 2-5 players on their heels trying to kill you...
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and some like me love the full package :aok
yea....my mood determines what i do.
at times, i just don't feel like being in a fighter, so i take up some bombers and see how long i can survive. other times, for some odd reqson, i just feel like seeing things go boom....so i take a tank, and attack those dangerous buildings.
i think you got my point though, judging by your post. :aok
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that is exactly whats missing from WW1.
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Whatever you do, don't tell the LW crowd about the endless supply of untainted sheep in the MW arena :P
Cobia only thinks the sheep are untainted, little does he know.............. :D
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Cobia only thinks the sheep are untainted, little does he know.............. :D
well.......he DID stay at a holiday in express last night. :noid
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well.......he DID stay at a holiday in express last night. :noid
so that was you lurking in the bushes outside my room :noid