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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dichotomy on October 01, 2010, 08:31:38 PM
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So I stop by the corner store for a few things this afternoon on my way home from work and a guy walks in behind me with his 5 to 7 year old (?) daughter.
Mistake number one. She gets entranced by the cheap prettythanged toys on the rack at the front of the store and starts looking at them. In the mean time he heads back to the beer coolers for his 24 pack of Coors Light. Mmmmm okay we live in a relatively decent neighborhood but dude where's your head? I realize I forgot sour cream so I break out of line and go back to the cooler to get it. I know the owners and know their heads are on a swivel but my spine is crawling.
Get back in line behind 'dad' and notice 'daughter' is still looking at the shiny toys and kind of laugh to myself about what junk will entrance a child that young. The clerk starts ringing 'dad' up and he puts $5 down on a quick pick for the lottery tonight. His right okay.. no big. Right about then the little girl perks up and says 'Bobby would LOVE this can we buy it for him pleeeease?'
Granted it's junk.. $2.99 for something that's not worth twenty five cents. But come on dude.
'Dads' response? Honey you know I can't afford that right now so don't ask me again..
Look at the total and it's $25 +
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You have one chance in a couple of MILLION of winning the lottery but rewarding a child who was thinking of someone else would cost you three bucks? One chance in maybe a couple of thousand to make a memory for your child? GRRRRRRR!!!!
I almost whipped out ye olde wallet but I didn't think that would be appropriate.
But, seriously dude, where is your head if not sniffing your lower intestine?
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Beer and lotto instead of a toy for his daughter......he's a piece of trash
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I try not to judge, to each his own.
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I hardly ever buy stuff for my kids just because they want them. They do work, get paid chore money & buy their own stuff.
For the first two years, I did... after that, they buy their own if it ain't birthday or Christmas gifts.
Although, if they ever ask for a book - I buy it almost immediately. And if they ask for help in buying something to give to someone else, I almost always help with that.
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ya but everybody knows you're mean and stuff.. :)
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Beer and lotto instead of a toy for his daughter......he's a piece of trash
Agreed...I've seen it too often to do anything more than grit my teeth, and I'm meaner than Texasmom.
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State lotteries (also know as the "stupid tax") are immoral.
I could go on a long rant here but that would only get me "see rule #14".
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Oh I judge...hes either thoughtless or selfish. Either way he sux.
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I get the same thing from my boys, every toy on the shelf would be ours if I caved. Typically the $2 toys have an attention span of 5 minutes.
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:devil its designed that way
Pay attention to your own life
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Please don't pass judgment on someone after a minor encounter like that.
The kid was probably a banana anyway.
<S> Melvin
Edit: I didn't type banana, I typed ;banana;
2nd edit: You can't type ;banana;......... that's funny.
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So I stop by the corner store for a few things this afternoon on my way home from work and a guy walks in behind me with his 5 to 7 year old (?) daughter.
Mistake number one. She gets entranced by the cheap prettythanged toys on the rack at the front of the store and starts looking at them. In the mean time he heads back to the beer coolers for his 24 pack of Coors Light. Mmmmm okay we live in a relatively decent neighborhood but dude where's your head? I realize I forgot sour cream so I break out of line and go back to the cooler to get it. I know the owners and know their heads are on a swivel but my spine is crawling.
Get back in line behind 'dad' and notice 'daughter' is still looking at the shiny toys and kind of laugh to myself about what junk will entrance a child that young. The clerk starts ringing 'dad' up and he puts $5 down on a quick pick for the lottery tonight. His right okay.. no big. Right about then the little girl perks up and says 'Bobby would LOVE this can we buy it for him pleeeease?'
Granted it's junk.. $2.99 for something that's not worth twenty five cents. But come on dude.
'Dads' response? Honey you know I can't afford that right now so don't ask me again..
Look at the total and it's $25 +
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You have one chance in a couple of MILLION of winning the lottery but rewarding a child who was thinking of someone else would cost you three bucks? One chance in maybe a couple of thousand to make a memory for your child? GRRRRRRR!!!!
I almost whipped out ye olde wallet but I didn't think that would be appropriate.
But, seriously dude, where is your head if not sniffing your lower intestine?
You could have bought the toy for her.. how much did you total? :lol
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Maybe the Father could have said it/meant it differently. We, as Parents/Grandparents(a lot anyways) DO overindulge our young ones.
Wife and I raised 3 Daughters youngest is 19. We often watch my 2 year old Granddaughter and have a Grandson due in December. I'm getting :old: lol.
We have SO much little toy junk at our home. Our little Granddaughter wants most everything she sees,
I try to give almost anything they want, because I grew up very poor, and I want my family to have what I could only dream of (including food).
We do have to say NO on occasion. This is one of those stories where I try not to judge, because I do not know the family, or their situation.
If the child looked in good health and looked not to be abused, then as a Parent, I can't say anything bad, even if I may disapprove.
My experience is. The best "Parents"(or so They believe don't have children. When/if they do finally have their own, views change dramatically.
<S> Oz
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State lotteries (also know as the "stupid tax") are immoral.
I could go on a long rant here but that would only get me "see rule #14".
i fully agree with this. it's the states finding a way to make people want to give up their hard earned money.
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You could have bought the toy for her.. how much did you total? :lol
this day and age, he'd have been arrested for some child endangerment or something stupid like that.
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^^^^^ This
I didn't want to say this in the original post because I have a lot of respect for people who work in the 'blue' collar world. The little girl was clean, well dressed, and very polite. Dad looked like he got poured out of a dumpster. The young lady wasn't a snot ball but the part that got to me was she was looking at the boy stuff and wanted to get it for another child.
I considered ponying up for the toy but didn't want to intrude on 'dad' or look anymore like the creepy old guy.
And, for the record, my total was $13... :P
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Anymore? Don't tell me you look like Herbert? :lol
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Oh man how many times have I seen that type of parent out there and had to bite my tongue. :mad:
On another note, I will save this one for another day but if the subject ever comes up I will tell you how I am practically raising my daughters best friend since the parents have the same mentality as this; its sad but in some peoples eyes, children do not come first in their lives.......... :rolleyes:
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hard to know what the real story was. for all we know.. dad knew that "Bobby" was actually her imaginary friend (ie: the toy was for her) ..and/or mom already bought that for her and was saving it for her birthday.
you just never know in those kind of situations......and unless I see a child in imminent harm...or potentially imminent harm......I just won't step in.
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I wouldn't say or do anything simply because the way the world is anymore, if you hold a door for a kid or try to be nice to them in any way, you are almost immediately dragged off to court as a child molester. It ain't worth it.
And as for the 'stupid tax', that's the point- if you're stupid enough to buy them, you didn't deserve that $2 anyway.
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Treize69 .. so true.
so much so...that if a kid get's onto an elevator....and it's just me...I get off the elevator. same with a rest room. there is a very litigious mindset out there to earn a fast buck...and too many parents are all too happy to make their kids the actors in the plots.
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oh trust me I didn't say or do anything I was just nonplussed by the whole situation. Granted I don't 'know' everything that's going on in their lives but, on the surface, I was like.. 'd$@n dude'... :rolleyes:
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oh trust me I didn't say or do anything I was just nonplussed by the whole situation. Granted I don't 'know' everything that's going on in their lives but, on the surface, I was like.. 'd$@n dude'... :rolleyes:
Are you a parent?
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'Bobby would LOVE this can we buy it for him pleeeease?'
rewarding a child who was thinking of someone else
:angel:
The grace of that girl to think of her brother didn't come to her heart by genetics or lucky accident.
She'll be OK.
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wow thats not cool
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You can't or should not be expected to buy everything a kid wants. That could have been an excuse. And some of you need to take a step of your pedestal. Calling people stupid for buying lotto tickets is one of the more elitist things I have seen posted. I have bought a singe number here and there knowing full well the odds are stacked way against me but its still fun. As for being immoral all I have to say is :rofl If you're taking the religious outlook on it being immoral "Tho shall not judge lest thy be judged."
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In this day and age, a child who thinks of someone else before themselves is a good kid. As for dad, well, the lotto ticket was probably going to pay his mortgage and the case of beer is going to allow him to forget that he can't pay his mortgage. Still, no excuse.
And yes, I have children. And no, I'm not filthy rich.
J
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In this day and age, a child who thinks of someone else before themselves is a good kid. As for dad, well, the lotto ticket was probably going to pay his mortgage and the case of beer is going to allow him to forget that he can't pay his mortgage. Still, no excuse.
And yes, I have children. And no, I'm not filthy rich.
J
So you're a non-gambling tee-totaller?
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Are you a parent?
yes... for the last seventeen wonderful years....
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So I stop by the corner store for a few things this afternoon on my way home from work and a guy walks in behind me with his 5 to 7 year old (?) daughter.
Mistake number one. She gets entranced by the cheap prettythanged toys on the rack at the front of the store and starts looking at them. In the mean time he heads back to the beer coolers for his 24 pack of Coors Light. Mmmmm okay we live in a relatively decent neighborhood but dude where's your head? I realize I forgot sour cream so I break out of line and go back to the cooler to get it. I know the owners and know their heads are on a swivel but my spine is crawling.
Get back in line behind 'dad' and notice 'daughter' is still looking at the shiny toys and kind of laugh to myself about what junk will entrance a child that young. The clerk starts ringing 'dad' up and he puts $5 down on a quick pick for the lottery tonight. His right okay.. no big. Right about then the little girl perks up and says 'Bobby would LOVE this can we buy it for him pleeeease?'
Granted it's junk.. $2.99 for something that's not worth twenty five cents. But come on dude.
'Dads' response? Honey you know I can't afford that right now so don't ask me again..
Look at the total and it's $25 +
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You have one chance in a couple of MILLION of winning the lottery but rewarding a child who was thinking of someone else would cost you three bucks? One chance in maybe a couple of thousand to make a memory for your child? GRRRRRRR!!!!
I almost whipped out ye olde wallet but I didn't think that would be appropriate.
But, seriously dude, where is your head if not sniffing your lower intestine?
You dont have any daughters do you?
If I bought my daughter something every time she asked me to. I'd be able to open not just one, but my own chain of toy stores.
I've used the "dont have the money/cant afford" excuse plenty. Its easier then arguing with a 7 year old girl and listening to the whining.
Remember. When your dealing with little girls. Your dealing with miniature women. And very time you go out they think its to get them something.
I am convinced that women are from birth ingrained with some sort of screwball gene that causes them to instinctively seek ways to part men with their money over nonsensical and often not needed things. And with little girls just like their full grown counterparts. Their great idea usually becomes your headache.
Matter of fact sometimes I feel like I have two wives.
Men are like dogs. When we are young we are like puppies that eventually grow into a dog.
Women are like cats. It doesnt take them but long enough to be able to walk before they can slice and dice you.
Men start off as boys and eventually become men.
Women like cats. Are women right out of the box. And it doesnt take them but to learn how to talk before they start wanting and expecting crap
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^^^^ I've had a stepdaughter Dred. Miss that kid and worry about her a lot.
but at least your counterpoint had some logic behind it as usual :aok
Thus the reason I didn't say anything or react to my first instinct and pay for the toy she wanted. I didn't 'know' the whole situation but on the surface it looked, to me, like daddy putting his own wants and desires ahead of his child who, to me, was being selfless in her desire to get something for somebody else. That's rare in a child of that age IMHO...
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State lotteries (also know as the "stupid tax") are immoral.
I could go on a long rant here but that would only get me "see rule #14".
Ut oh. the morality police have shown up
(http://tuckahoe.wikispaces.com/file/view/stanton_anthony.jpg/30574287/stanton_anthony.jpg)
:D
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Ut oh. the morality police have shown up
(http://tuckahoe.wikispaces.com/file/view/stanton_anthony.jpg/30574287/stanton_anthony.jpg)
:D
That's right, don't mess with us. :aok
But seriously, state lotteries are enabling people who are addicts. I've seen mothers in the grocery store who can't even put decent shoes on their kids (in the middle of winter no less) and who pay for their groceries with food stamps, yet they'll drop $20 on lotto tickets. Why does the State need to be an enabler for people with gambling problems, at the expense of their children?
Oh, that's right... ... so they can throw money at their poor education system and hope it gets better. :rolleyes:
Mmmmm so, your mom's an idiot who spends money on lotto tickets instead of clothing you properly. But that's OK cause that money means the teachers at your POS public school are going to get paid a few bucks more. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa... Way to help the children. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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That's right, don't mess with us. :aok
But seriously, state lotteries are enabling people who are addicts. I've seen mothers in the grocery store who can't even put decent shoes on their kids (in the middle of winter no less) and who pay for their groceries with food stamps, yet they'll drop $20 on lotto tickets. Why does the State need to be an enabler for people with gambling problems, at the expense of their children?
Oh, that's right... ... so they can throw money at their poor education system and hope it gets better. :rolleyes:
Mmmmm so, your mom's an idiot who spends money on lotto tickets instead of clothing you properly. But that's OK cause that money means the teachers at your POS public school are going to get paid a few bucks more. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa... Way to help the children. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
If you took the lotto away it would be something else. Its not the states fault there are bad parents out there. Some people with a problem should not limit others who do not have said problem. Fear for the children has been an excuse for a very long time. Its just an excuse many times to limit people. There is a time and place for the fear for the children excuse to be used and lottos is not it.
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*note to self
don't start any more threads... The tend to turn into flame fests...
chill guys... opinions are universal.. we all have em :)
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You dont have any daughters do you?
If I bought my daughter something every time she asked me to. I'd be able to open not just one, but my own chain of toy stores.
I've used the "dont have the money/cant afford" excuse plenty. Its easier then arguing with a 7 year old girl and listening to the whining.
Remember. When your dealing with little girls. Your dealing with miniature women. And very time you go out they think its to get them something.
I am convinced that women are from birth ingrained with some sort of screwball gene that causes them to instinctively seek ways to part men with their money over nonsensical and often not needed things. And with little girls just like their full grown counterparts. Their great idea usually becomes your headache.
Matter of fact sometimes I feel like I have two wives.
Men are like dogs. When we are young we are like puppies that eventually grow into a dog.
Women are like cats. It doesnt take them but long enough to be able to walk before they can slice and dice you.
Men start off as boys and eventually become men.
Women like cats. Are women right out of the box. And it doesnt take them but to learn how to talk before they start wanting and expecting crap
QFT as far as Lottery goes and some of the statements here. Lottery gives those of us po folks (actually I'm Middle-Class which is now poor as well) and anyone else, a chance to maybe better our lives and make our and our families dreams come true. Many know and expect not to win millions, but once in a while you do win for a few hundred or a few grand even. I would rather see people buy lotto tix than crack <S> Oz
<S> Oz
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If you took the lotto away it would be something else. Its not the states fault there are bad parents out there. Some people with a problem should not limit others who do not have said problem. Fear for the children has been an excuse for a very long time. Its just an excuse many times to limit people. There is a time and place for the fear for the children excuse to be used and lottos is not it.
Insert any problem in that line,,, don't want to work, lazy, smoking, drinking, gambling, etc etc, just about anything legal can go in there.........
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If you took the lotto away it would be something else. Its not the states fault there are bad parents out there. Some people with a problem should not limit others who do not have said problem. Fear for the children has been an excuse for a very long time. Its just an excuse many times to limit people. There is a time and place for the fear for the children excuse to be used and lottos is not it.
Yes there would be something else, like crack or cigarettes, or alcohol, or gambling at a private casino, or frivolous shopping. But hey guess what? None of THESE are run by the state. Of course people will always find ways to screw up their life, but it should not be the state doing the screwing. I'm of the political bent that governments should do the bare minimum they are allowed to do, and stay the heck out of everything else.
I can't really make my point any clearer without violating rule 14.
So I'm out. :bolt:
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Oh, now the states are controlling WILL power. Some are addicted to gambling, but most play on occasion.
People have every option NOT to play. Freedom of choice. Free Will. (within common sense of course). We all have it here.
There is nothing wrong with spending 50 cents, for a chance to win several thousands of dollars. As long as YOU have enough sense when to play or not play.
<S>Oz
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Look, neither of these two extremes is right, and you guys know it. We're here today because we were the smartest of the bunch, and our heads have brains in them for a reason. Therefore, we must realize that to defer to an absolute is pointless; in other words, doing nothing about poor parenting is just a idiotic as doing everything about poor parenting. You can't fix stupid, but some of those people aren't stupid, just ignorant.
If people want to buy lottery tickets, by all means they should. And if they don't have the sense to stop playing when they start to spiral down, there's only so much we can do to help. If they don't want to be helped, well we're better off with one fewer numbskull on the planet.
So I beseech you of higher thought, use it, don't become extreme to on direction or the other. It is futile, as to do nothing leaves us with nothing, and to do everything leaves with rebellion. Negligence, along with totalitarianism have been the downfall of many a civilization, let us not be drawn to either one.
-Penguin
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*note to self
don't start any more threads... The tend to turn into flame fests...
chill guys... opinions are universal.. we all have em :)
Even though your thoughts/intentions here are good, life is full of all types of people.
Everyone has seen people behave in a way that disgusts us. It's hard to walk away, but you have to. Talking about morals here is always a bad idea. I empathize with how you felt at that time. I also commend you for sharing that story here. There will be another time and place where your good intentions will be received in a better situation. :salute
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Oh, now the states are controlling WILL power. Some are addicted to gambling, but most play on occasion.
People have every option NOT to play. Freedom of choice. Free Will. (within common sense of course). We all have it here.
There is nothing wrong with spending 50 cents, for a chance to win several thousands of dollars. As long as YOU have enough sense when to play or not play.
<S>Oz
Sigh... Everyone is still completely missing the point I'm trying to make. It's not the lotto, it's the fact that the STATE is running it. Let me try this a different way.
If a state has legalized marijuana, should the state government run a bunch of marijuana farms, processing plants and stores?
If a state (like Nevada) has legalized prostitution, should the state government hire prostitutes and run a bunch of brothels?
Why then, when a state has legalized gambling, does the state government run it?
That is simply not in the realm of the governments responsibility. If it's legal, and a private firm wants to run a lotto, then fine. The state government's responsibility is then to enforce whatever regulations they have set on gambling, not to be in the business themselves.
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QFT as far as Lottery goes and some of the statements here. Lottery gives those of us po folks (actually I'm Middle-Class which is now poor as well) and anyone else, a chance to maybe better our lives and make our and our families dreams come true. Many know and expect not to win millions, but once in a while you do win for a few hundred or a few grand even. I would rather see people buy lotto tix than crack <S> Oz
<S> Oz
you've got a better chance of passing out, staggering out in the street while unconscious, then hit by a mack truck, struck by lightning, and then eaten by a pack of carnivorous squirrels, which are in turn caught in that flash flood on this bright sunny day, than you do of ever hitting the lottery.
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Sigh... Everyone is still completely missing the point I'm trying to make. It's not the lotto, it's the fact that the STATE is running it. Let me try this a different way.
If a state has legalized marijuana, should the state government run a bunch of marijuana farms, processing plants and stores?
If a state (like Nevada) has legalized prostitution, should the state government hire prostitutes and run a bunch of brothels?
Why then, when a state has legalized gambling, does the state government run it?
That is simply not in the realm of the governments responsibility. If it's legal, and a private firm wants to run a lotto, then fine. The state government's responsibility is then to enforce whatever regulations they have set on gambling, not to be in the business themselves.
I see your point. I have to disagree as here in Arkansas they just put in the lotto. The Arkansas scholarship lotto which now I get 2,000 dollars a semester just for having decent grades and being a Arkansas resident. They may have no business in it but I am glad they are in it.
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you've got a better chance of passing out, staggering out in the street while unconscious, then hit by a mack truck, struck by lightning, and then eaten by a pack of carnivorous squirrels, which are in turn caught in that flash flood on this bright sunny day, than you do of ever hitting the lottery.
but there is a chance... :lol
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but there is a chance... :lol
ya know?
i friggin LOVE the positive attitudes in here!!
:aok
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Look out folks it's an Arkie. :noid
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ehh we never know exactly what the situation is so why judge? for all we know the little girl asks for stuff every 5 mins and is relatively sneaky about gettin toys an what not. :noid