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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 96Delta on October 01, 2010, 11:13:30 PM
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BLACK THURSDAY
This [MoM] mission will be a historical recreation of the
8th Air Force's second raid on Schweinfurt, Germany
flown on Thursday, October 14, 1943; a date that would
forever become known as "Black Thursday".
This October 14th, 2010 will mark the 67th Anniversary of
what has been called "the most savage air battle ever fought."
The [MoM] is scheduled for two days earlier, Tuesday, October 12,
to remember and honor the brave airmen who fought and died
during that epic battle.
◊ Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2010
◊ Time: 7:30 PM ET (Assembly) → 8:00 PM ET (Missions Posted) → 8:30 PM ET (Launch)
◊ Arena: Titanic Tuesday
◊ Aircraft: B-17G (as F), P-47M (as D)
◊ Vehicles: N/A
◊ Mission Text: Numbered Channel TBA
◊ Mission VOX: Local (restricted) → VOX Channel in Mission Editor
◊ Command VOX: Ventrilo
◊ Target: TBD
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B-17 FLYING FORTRESS
The core of this battle is the B-17. The escorts could only
accompany the bombers a short distance into Germany
before having to turn back to refuel. This left the B-17's
alone to fend for themselves. To survive long enough to
return to the umbrella of fighter escort, we need as many
B-17's together in the air as possible so we'll need most pilots
flying in 'Forts.
We need a MAXIMUM EFFORT in B-17's!
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If you wish to participate and find the bomber slots filled,
hold on as I will keep increasing them. If you come late and didn't
get a ride, please join someone as a dedicated gunner.
We will be sure to need them!
If the bomber slots are not filled though, please join one of the
posted B-17 missions....even if you can't bomb well.
We can always use another set of guns to help defend
the rest of us...and act as a diversion! ;)
GERMAN PLANESET OPPOSITION
We can't force you to restrict yourselves to a German
planeset but we hope that you will choose not to dishonor
the memories of those who fought in this battle by flying
non-German aircraft. Surely, thats' not asking too much
this time around..is it?
Please note also that this battle will be filmed and edited into a fitting
tribute to those gallant airmen we seek to honor. Non-German
planes would make that somewhat difficult. :(
ACTIVATION TELEGRAM
Those registered on the [MoM] alert roster [current count: 240]
will be receiving an activation telegram in a few days containing
additional details and information.
To read about past [MoM] missions, please visit our Mission Logs (http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/LCA.MoM-Past.php)
linking you to the Aces High forum threads for each.
• Screenie 01 from [MoM-05] (http://kenshelby.us/images/buffs-05.jpg)
• Screenie 02 from [MoM-05] (http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/1065/152vsbufhoarde.jpg)
For more information about the Loose Cannons Alliance [LCA]
or ROOK Missions-of-the-Month [MoM], please visit our website at:
http://www.lcasquadron.org/ (http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/)
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For any that can't bomb well, I will plan to do some discussion on calibration and general bombing technique during the flight.. Now chances are that 50-60% won't even make it to the the target so we need numbers! But if you don't know squat about bombing, you can count on some great pointers if your in my flight.. Newbs, are more than welcome.. See you there, can't wait.. :rock :salute
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Lookin forward to it!
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You're Invited!
Everyone is invited to visit the [MoM #6] outline and briefing
page where you'll find an audio synopsis, information, links,
an AHII B-17 control guide and a documentary video of this
heroic mission.
Please share with others! We need YOU to make this a success!
http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/LCA.MoM-Current.php
While you're there, be sure to sign up on the [MoM] Alert List
and join the other 255 AHII players who have already registered
to receive notices and updates of future [MoM] events!
You'll never miss your [MoM] again! ;)
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This looks like a lot of fun! We are new to AH, transferred from FA and just getting the hang of things. We love to fly the B-17 and will try to help out.
HGBuck
Hired Guns CO
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This one is going to be another good one. Looking forward to it :rock
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Just a question so please keep smart arsr answers to yourselves: Why would you want to comm. one of the biggest disaters for the USAAC. aproc 64 bombers destroyed or shot down with the loss of over 600 men?
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Seriously hoping I can make it, would love to fly a B-17 slot, and if it looks like I can only make part of it I'll definitely gun for someone.
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Just a question so please keep smart arsr answers to yourselves: Why would you want to comm. one of the biggest disaters for the USAAC. aproc 64 bombers destroyed or shot down with the loss of over 600 men?
For the same reasons people play a simulation that depicts a war in which over 60 MILLION people were killed.
For the same reasons people play on the "loosing" side in a historical recreation.
For the same reasons people play FSO's, SEC's, and SE's.
Because the game "Virtual Couch Potato", even with the Beer expansion, isn't as exciting.
I wholeheartedly believe that no one will be able to give you an answer to your question that you will accept. The act of you asking proves that. If you cannot come up with your own reason for stepping into a B-17, heading into nearly cirtain doom, into the gunsights of planes eagerly awaiting your arrival, and risking your "virtual life" to maybe gain a tiny glimpse of what our forefathers were asked to do in order to safeguard the freedoms you now enjoy...
Well, I hear "Hello Kitty Island Adventure" always has copies to sell.
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Just a question so please keep smart arsr answers to yourselves: Why would you want to comm. one of the biggest disaters for the USAAC. aproc 64 bombers destroyed or shot down with the loss of over 600 men?
I'm willing to bet that most if not all of the people who are
learning about this event had no idea of the significance
of Thursday, October14th. I can't think of worse insult than
to forget these men and what they did on that day. Yes, I want
to commemorate what these men did. I do not want the world
to forget. They deserve not to be consigned to the dustbins
of history, don't you think? But that's only part of the motivation
behind this.
For those of us who earnestly wish to learn about historic battles
the chance to go deeper than reading a textbook or watching a
documentary has always been attractive. This event presents
amateur historians with a chance to explore a deeper level of
understanding of this historic battle.
Still, the question you asked could easily be directed to the legions
of living history reenactors who recreate historic battles every year.
Events such as D-Day, the Battle of the Bulge, Gettysburg (and hundreds
of other ACW battles), War of Independence (the Battle of Germantown
is a local event) are recreated to remember those who fought
in them and as a tangible means of exploring the experience they
lived.
By portraying them in such a fashion, even though there is no actual
danger, reenactors can begin to get just the smallest sense of
what they saw, heard and felt. That results in a greater level of
intimacy with, and understanding of, the experience that reading a
textbook can never approach.
Participants in such mock battles often come away with a profound
respect, admiration and appreciation for the sacrifices made by these
men. Only by immersing oneself as much as possible in the combat
experience, can a person hope to learn about the event on a level that
transcends the intellect and reaches the experiential dimension,
albeit only in a shallow way.
Furthermore, by getting inside their shoes and experiencing, even if only
to the smallest degree, what they experienced, is to better understand
the conflict and, more importantly, understand the enormous sacrifice
that they made on our behalf.
While reenacting land-based battles is now a well-respected and established
hobby among amateur and professional historians alike, exploring aerial
battles in such a way presents significant obstacles.
Unfortunately, reenacting aerial battles is problematic as there really
is no way that something like that can be carried out. Sure, there's
the "Tora, Tora, Tora" recreations that you see at air shows but for
the average person, the ability to actually participate in an historic
aerial battle doesn't exist. Fortunately, with the advent of technology,
those barriers are being taken down and scores of amateur air war
historians now have a chance to explore those battles in new ways.
Using this game and your PC, we now have the unique privilege of being
able to reenact famous air battles in pixels, allowing us a chance
to delve more deeply into the experience so we can better understand
it and can appreciate the great courage and sacrifice demonstrated
by those who fought in it.
In doing this we honor these men, their courage, dedication, skill
and their memories. That is what this event and all similar historic
battle recreations are all about. Paying respects. Most of these
guys will never ask you for anything. They're too humble for that.
Truly the greatest generation. All they desire is that their
sacrifice not be forgotten; their only wish is to be remembered.
And that's just what we'll be doing on October 12th: Commemorating Courage.
We invite you to join us. Perhaps, you will come away with a new-found
respect and admiration for these brave aviators and aircrew, something
that can only be enhanced by this experience.
Visit this page and learn more.
http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/LCA.MoM-Current.php
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I don't believe that the B-17's will suffer as greatly as
some have projected. I actually pity the enemy planes
that dare enter the torrent of lead that awaits them!
Still, if you are planning to fly a B-17 during this
[MoM] I've created a handy reference guide that I encourage
you to download, study and have available.
There are quite a few commands that most pilots are
not aware of with respect to bombers and multi-engine
aircraft in the game. Some of these will prove
quite useful for this mission. :salute
You can download it from our Briefing Page here:
http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/LCA.MoM-Current.php
or diretly from this link:
http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/pdf/MoM/MoM-B-17ControlGuideWide.pdf
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This one is going to be another good one. Looking forward to it :rock
Hightone, leading a buff flight eh? Sweeeeet!
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Oh yeah, marked that date. :aok I will, of course, be in a B-17. :salute
However, I would bet money (suckers bet :lol) that there will be folks that will up non-German planes and possibly tack on a lame duck excuse as to why. Have you tried getting a-hold of the AvA staff? Maybe they will set the AvA arena up so that we wouldn't have to worry bout non-German planes being used to intercept. Highly doubt it, but it IS worth a shot to ask. :aok The down side is, probably won't draw as many people in as we could in the MA....
EITHER WAY, it shall prove to be interesting indeed! Last MoM I lost 1 B-17 (got rammed. Wasn't his fault, he had no wings or tail :devil). I wonder if I will be as lucky this go...
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The Spartan Warriors started the last MOM as attackers in 262's. After losing our planes, most of us re-upped in P47M's since we have been learning them as a squad for the last couple weeks. I completely forgot about the Axis plane request.
This month, B-17's again. Wooo Hoooo :x
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This looks like a lot of fun! We are new to AH, transferred from FA and just getting the hang of things. We love to fly the B-17 and will try to help out.
HGBuck
Hired Guns CO
If you have never flown a MOM....you're in for a real treat.
There is a purpose to the MOM, mainly fun..despite the objective :salute (which to be honest you will forget after awhile) but you will never forget MOM
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There is a purpose to the MOM, mainly fun..despite the objective :salute (which to be honest you will forget after awhile) but you will never forget MOM
This is SO true, as after the 5th or 6th wave of fighters through the formation, the only thing on your mind is. "Get to target and dump my bombs so I can GET HOME!!"
That we might drop the city to 12% and damage the other factories is mearly a bonus. Best feeling ever is nursing your last bird home and seeing that friendly strip of concrete ahead.
(Hopefully, unlike last time, that glorious landing moment won't be murdered by NoE 262's hell-bent on vulching as we form up for a survivor's picture)
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I PM'd my CO Thunder Egg on this (91'st Bomb Group)...we are a B17G Unit...
Hopefully he gets on board.
Either way count me in for a 17...
Edit: No mentions whether formations will be enabled or did I miss it? Word search found no results..
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Oneway
Edit: If the 91'st doesn't show as a unit, I would like to fly with HighTone if possible
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96Delta...the 77th FS "Gamblers" will be there in 17's. :salute
ROX
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For this particular MoM, I'm gonna drop my usual jet dweebery and will engage you in a 190A-5 :uhoh
(facing 47M escorts, I would rate returning to base with 1 kill as an success ;))
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Remember Lusche, your success will depend on strategy and
timing rather than on raw aircraft capability.
While my preference in a controlled environment would be
to run the escorts as Razorbacks, they would be very
outclassed in the Titanic Tuesday arena and would also
suffer from a ridiculously short range. But the planes
shouldn't make that big of a difference in this particular
battle.
Both sides of the conflict will be decided on who's strategy
is superior and who works together the best. It's more of a
chess game than a boxing match this time. :cool:
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I PM'd my CO Thunder Egg on this (91'st Bomb Group)...we are a B17G Unit...
Hopefully he gets on board.
Whenever there is a virtual squadron with the same designation
as one in the mission, I attempt to get that squad's CO to
lead the group. Nomde and Jaxxon both command virtual squads
that are represented in the mission and have agreed to lead
the two Jug groups.
I don't think that either are ROOK but I figure that if I commanded a
virtual squadron I'd like to lead the same squadron in a big mission
if one were being put together, regardless of chess piece affinities.
Anyway, I PM'd (or emailed) Thunder Egg a week or so ago asking if he
wanted to command the 91st Bomb Group since it was part of our order of
battle but never heard back from him. That slot has since
been filled.
Edit: No mentions whether formations will be enabled or did I miss it?
Word search found no results..
My apologies for omitting that. It will be with formations enabled.
Once we go beyond the range of the P-47M's we'll need some extra
planes around us until we relink with them as we egress. ;)
Edit: If the 91'st doesn't show as a unit, I would like to fly with HighTone
if possible.
All of the missions are posted in the mission editor. The 91st
will be posted as a separate mission within the operation.
After that, everyone may join whatever group they desire. :)
Just make sure you grab a slot early as I'm not sure if I'll be able
to increase the number of slots in any particular group before we launch.
I'm hoping to keep the four bomber groups balanced.
Glad to hear you're in a B-17!
General Savage says he's proud to have you! :)
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Oneway: Formations will be on. Last I knew the 91st was taking the in-mission 91st. However, I don't know how closely your CO has kept in contact with Delta.
Lusche: Those P-47M escorts will only be with us 1/2 the way. Then they run to re-fuel, re-up, and cover our exit. Your chances of returning to base with more then 1 kill may have increased.
I do have a sneaking suspicion that the willingness of our low-fuel escorts to "stick to the plan" and disengage at bingo fuel will probably be directly proportional to the amount of High-alt P-51's attacking the bombers at form-up. (as the case in [MoM5])
Cheers,
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Oneway: Formations will be on. Last I knew the 91st was taking the in-mission 91st. However, I don't know how closely your CO has kept in contact with Delta.
Lusche: Those P-47M escorts will only be with us 1/2 the way. Then they run to re-fuel, re-up, and cover our exit. Your chances of returning to base with more then 1 kill may have increased.
I do have a sneaking suspicion that the willingness of our low-fuel escorts to "stick to the plan" and disengage at bingo fuel will probably be directly proportional to the amount of High-alt P-51's attacking the bombers at form-up. (as the case in [MoM5])
Cheers,
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If you look at the listing above on OP post, the CO, XO are not Thunder...
I would be amazed if he does not get or take lead of the representative 91'st in this event...
Thunder is a class act and knows his business....
Either way....
You can count me in on this epic event
:cheers:
Oneway
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General Savage says he's proud to have you! :)
If General Savage is HighTone..contextually speaking.... :aok
He is a hell of bomber pilot and flight leader...I would follow him to hell and back...
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Oneway
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One more quick question:
What will the arena burn multiplier be set to?
I would assume 1.0?
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Oneway
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This all happens in the MA. So standard MA rates apply. 2.0 burn
Delta has not put ThunderEgg in the 91st spot for the reasons he stated in his post.
Anyway, I PM'd (or emailed) Thunder Egg a week or so ago asking if he wanted to command the 91st Bomb Group since it was part of our order of battle but never heard back from him. That slot has since been filled.
As I lead the 91st in last MoM, I had requested it again. The guys who picked my bomber group (verses the other 2) were a great bunch. Had a nice tight group and the defensive fire was diciplined. If the in-game 91st want to join into the [MoM] 91st that would not be a problem. It'll just be Myself and Hornet79 at the head however.
Its a great event regardless. :cheers:
It will be an even greater event to just land! :aok
Cheers,
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I'm in. :salute
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If General Savage is HighTone..contextually speaking.... :aok
He is a hell of bomber pilot and flight leader...I would follow him to hell and back...
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Oneway
Big :salute to you Mr. Oneway. We have had some fun in the same flights in the past. Thank you for the kind words. This MoM will be a good time and I look forward to having you in my flight. Nothing but good times and .50 cals. :rock
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Just a quick note to thank everyone who has registered
on the [MoM] Alert List in the past week. I've never
seen such a brisk sign-up rate since I started the
mailing list.
For the record, this is a very seldom used list. You
will only get 2 emails from me a month, sometimes
only one and I will NEVER give your email to anyone,
ever.
Perhaps best of all, you can unsubscribe with the click of a
mouse. I wish other folks who manage these kinds of
things made it as easy. :frown:
To sign up visit:
http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/LCA.MoM-Current.php
The sign-up form is in the right column and only has one
field to complete: your email address. Simple enough. :aok
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For this particular MoM, I'm gonna drop my usual jet dweebery and will engage you in a 190A-5 :uhoh
(facing 47M escorts, I would rate returning to base with 1 kill as an success ;))
:rock
I remember seeing your 262 staying WELL away from the tight formation's of 17's in the last MoM. :lol Can't say I blamed ya though. :salute
I'm hoping to see a lot more 109's this go around. Very solid amount of 190's last go, but I myself, didn't see more than a few 109's. And this time, I'm hoping that we don't get giga-vulched like we did last time. I landed my plane right quick when I saw a 262 making a pass on the parked drones at the end of the runway. So no kill for him! :lol
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I remember seeing your 262 staying WELL away from the tight formation's of 17's in the last MoM. :lol Can't say I blamed ya though. :salute
You can blame your escorts for that. I had a hard time setting up my attack due to 51's driving me away. I repeatedly found myself in a unfavorable position slightly below your formation. And at 28k, the 262 doesn't climb that well anymore.
Still got 6 of you and 2 of your escorts :D
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and our little dog too?!? :O
I know the Knight Propaganda machine would have you believe that in [MoM5] the bombers were at 30k and escorts at 40k, but it simply isn't true. Everyone with a camera rolling that night can show you. (Some already have posted screenies)
The Highest flight of bombers was at 25k. With Mid and Low at 24k and 23k respectively. While escorts were set at 30k, SOME did go higher. I'd only suppose it is in their fighter blood. Can't blame those guys for not wanting to die. They've only got 1 engine to bring em home.
As for the boys bringing up 190's. I just was glad to see German Iron. (Well, at the time, I was NOT looking foward to that pack of 190's dropping in on us...) For the amount of passes through our formation they were expected to live through, they might as well bring max-cannon.
Cheers,
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and our little dog too?!? :O
I know the Knight Propaganda machine would have you believe that in [MoM5] the bombers were at 30k and escorts at 40k, but it simply isn't true. Everyone with a camera rolling that night can show you. (Some already have posted screenies)
The Highest flight of bombers was at 25k. With Mid and Low at 24k and 23k respectively. While escorts were set at 30k, SOME did go higher. I'd only suppose it is in their fighter blood. Can't blame those guys for not wanting to die. They've only got 1 engine to bring em home.
Yes, buffs were not much more than 25k. But the whole escort thing came because folks found dots up near 40k and called them out, and I've posted a screenie showing some 38s in the 37k-38k band AFTER some passes had already occurred on the buffs. So yes, buff alt was misjudged and never an issue, but people saying escorts weren't at 40k simply isn't true. Maybe most weren't, but there were enough to give pause to the interceptors and affect the fight.
And again, I'm not complaining (I was up at that height in my 109 myself), just arguing the facts here. The real fix for alt-monkey issues is HT putting in some nice penalties to mirror the real-life issues, like bombs getting far less accurate, pilots freezing in fighters that high (pilot wounds FTW!) and maybe gunners at those open waist guns, etc. Until then folks should quit whining either way (aside from whining to HT to try and get something done) and just deal with the game we have.
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Well put Monk.
I suppose I should be happy that we had escorts that stayed high in the first place, after the first enemy con came by. Always seem to lose half the escort as they dive and chase the first dot they see. :lol
Cheers,
-Smkn-
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In a properly flown formation of 17's comprised of multiple pilots with formations enabled...a few 262's here and there are child's play to deal with...
The 262's weakness is its speed and momentum..its predictable...its attack's are cyclic in nature...throw in it's horrible climb rate, a few lone 262 wolves are easily defeated and sent smoking home or into the ground...
Woe be the 17 pilot who drops back in formation though...if your caught out alone and the 262 wolves are around...your dead...stay tight...stay in formation...or die...
the 190's are bait at or above 25k...horrible vertical recovery after their first pass...they always end up scrappling from the belly position trying to catch back up...
262's ?....bring them on....semi-crunchy on the outside and soft in the middle...easy to set smoking....
It's the tater tots that worry me the most with their express elevator and turn capability...and their purpose driven existence...to deliver softball sized exploding rounds on soft bombers at altitude...
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Oneway
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If I don't have to work that night, I so want in on this one. Even if I have to ride the whole way in a gunners position to do it (as I bet you'll have more than enough Luftwaffe already).
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Less than a week. Make it if you can :rock
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Those planning to fly B-17s (and I hope there's lots of ya!)
please make it a point to download, print and study
the Bomber (B-17) Control Guide. Pay special attention
to the aerial gunnery segment.
You will need to know it to survive methinks! ;)
Click on General Savage for more... :salute
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Leper Colony Ready For Duty...
We will show you....
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Just a 5 days away. Lots of planes and lots of bombs, and I am predicting the result will be lots of fun :cheers:
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You guys set up some mean missions. Wish I could join in.
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I have a last minute vacancy for the group lead
of the 56th Fighter Group.
If there are any ROOK squadron commanders who
have an interest in leading this group please drop
me a PM as soon as you are able. Kindly include
your email address as well.
A familiarity with leading missions and with the
P-47M would be a huge advantage. You will
also need to download and have Ventrilo installed
on your computer to access our command net.
David
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Click on General Savage for more information... :salute
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You guys might be interested in this (Black Thursday being a This Day in WWII event):
http://ahevents.org/events/this-day-in-wwii/606.html?task=view
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You guys might be interested in this (Black Thursday being a This Day in WWII event):
http://ahevents.org/events/this-day-in-wwii/606.html?task=view
Thanks Brooke!
I am definitely interested.
Want to see things from the Luftwaffe's perspective.
This will give me the chance! :salute
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Excellent! Looking forward to seeing you an a shiny new 190 or 109! :aok :salute
The "This Day in WWII" event runs at 3 pm Eastern (for Europeans) and 10 pm Eastern (for US player), so it won't conflict at all with your mission. I hope that you folks can join us.
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I agree with you Delta. After flying the Fortress on tuesday, I'm going to be itching to try out some German Iron on thursday! Get the see the huge formations from the other side!
Cheers,
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The slot for a Group Commander for the 56th FG
has been filled. We are go for liftoff!
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Click on General Savage for more... :salute
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Wie werden da sein.
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perdweeb
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That is it perdweeb...go ahead and fly near my 17...I will turn you into swiss cheese and you won't need "Papers" to emigrate...
You too brooke...
Fascist's...
:aok
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This is going to be great. Ill ether be flying with you, or putting up a huge interception mission. All depends on who you attack. Cant wait it will be great. :rock
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Jaxxon,
What 'country' do you usually fly with?
Trying to get an idea of who we'll be visiting on Tuesday. :D
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3 days to go.....Humm...Black Thursday on Titanic Tuesday. Bout perfect in the AH world.
Will be a blast. Make it if you can :t
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That is it perdweeb...go ahead and fly near my 17...I will turn you into swiss cheese and you won't need "Papers" to emigrate...
You too brooke...
Fascist's...
:aok
All those allied twits in the sky, looks like we're going to be fighting in the shade perd. Prepare for the tater onslaught this Tuesday. :banana:
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That is it perdweeb...go ahead and fly near my 17...I will turn you into swiss cheese and you won't need "Papers" to emigrate...
You too brooke...
Fascist's...
:aok
What if I'm in a P-47 or B-17? ;)
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School work permitting, I will be waiting for your escorts in my K4. Hell, might even bust out a rocket-laden 110. (Although I'm almost certian this wil tern in to a dweebtastic "fight" at 40K)
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sign me up for a buff! And as for the german iron :neener:
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Almost up. See you guys tomorrow night :rock
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the 190's are bait at or above 25k...horrible vertical recovery after their first pass...they always end up scrappling from the belly position trying to catch back up...
Not the well flown ones...
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T -23 hours
-Smkn-
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T -23 hours
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Wrong
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The 125th will be attending sir! :salute
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They had me worried up till a few minutes ago. I heard that Titanic Tuesday didn't happen last week, and it almost looked like this week was going to be the same. :O Looks like this MoM will be able to happen now. :rock
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Wrong
You are quite right. At the time of my post it SHOULD have read T -11 hours and 22minutes. Providing a tolerance of +/- 1 minute.
Thank HEAVENS you found this error and brought it to everyone's attention.
T -7 hours 26 minutes (+/- 5 minutes)
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By the way.....what country wants to be the target? :noid
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You are quite right. At the time of my post it SHOULD have read T -11 hours and 22minutes. Providing a tolerance of +/- 1 minute.
Thank HEAVENS you found this error and brought it to everyone's<fixed> attention.
T -7 hours 26 minutes (+/- 5 minutes)
Actually, I had to check to make sure it wasn't tomorrow morning for some odd reason. Would have sucked to have to be sick tomorrow.
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its gonna be real lame if some of you dont ge tinto german iron. all i hear in this thread is sign me up for (insert allied plane here) and that. c'mon ill be flyin german and i know we're not gonna 'beat' them. its jsut a re-enactment. be team players and jump on the nit side with us german dweebs
IN :banana:
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Crap...forgot.
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its gonna be real lame if some of you dont ge tinto german iron.
I was there and nursed my 190A-5 to 30k :rock
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Crap...forgot.
Awww darn, me too.
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That was an epic battle and I think it mirrored "Black Thursday"
pretty well. We took quite a lickin' but gave as good as we
got. Hit the target and still made it back to base, albeit with
significant losses of around 70%.
Target was again the Industrial City.
Got it down to 23% after all ordnance expended.
Clobbered the radar factory as well for good measure. :t
Our forces consisted of the following:
B-17 Bombers: 44 sets
P-47 Escorts: 31 sets.
It would have been perfect but as usual a few people
upped P-47's and Tempests. Musta took em some
time to get to us as we were attacking Knights
but the jugs were from Bishland.
I might not know how long it took them to get to us
but I know how long they lasted after they
attacked us: mere seconds. That's what you
get for violating the theme of this mission!
(no, I'm not naming names...) :uhoh
The next [MoM] is already setup and is to be
a joint Bishop vs. Rooks affair to recreate yet
another historical battle.
You can learn more about that here:
http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/LCA.MoM-Current.php
:salute
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There I was... leaving my jet in the hangar for once and taking the venerable FW 190A-5 higher into the sky than I ever had before!
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8814/approaching.jpg)
Which one to attack? Not a good time for indecisiveness!
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4310/somanyd.jpg)
The first terrorbomber is mortally wounded!
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8127/firstoney.jpg)
Bounced by a P-47, but my enemy was a bad shot! A short moment of target fixation could have been my early end...
(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9416/bounced.jpg)
An unfortunate second P-47 could not help to notice that I was shooting better than his comrade :devil
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/6120/secondone.jpg)
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9641/secondonealt.jpg)
The enemy formations start to lose their cohesion under the onslaught of the Luftwaffe! And another B-17 about to go down...
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/1306/thirdone.jpg)
Debris falling everywhere
(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8864/debriso.jpg)
B-17 rolling on it's back and starting it's final dive
(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4865/carnagep.jpg)
Another B-17 has gotten its wing removed by me, but the brave gunner is shooting up to the last moments of his life - and he is good!
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7216/goingdownr.jpg)
Engine seized, oil on the canopy, half left wing gone. Gliding in from 25k for a emergency landing on a port!
(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8607/glidingin.jpg)
Made it! Four B-17 and one P-47 kills landed by your favorite Germanic Gastropod!
(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9599/madeiti.jpg)
:salute all buff dweebs, escorts & fellow interceptors!
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Awesome pics and storyline Lusche :aok :lol
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Very nice Snail.
Was a lot of fun! I didn't make it back after getting separated from the group, but enjoyed the mission anyhow.
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I had a great time as usual.
Thank you 96Delta for everything.
And a big :salute to all my fellow pilots in the 381st. Oneway it was good to see ya, and Cryptic it was a pleasure. Heeler was a hoot as always. And got to meet a nice fellow named mjoe.
Good times guys :salute
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Great play by play Snail
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Awesome screenshots and storyline Lusche!
Made my day seeing the battle from the German perspective.
Thanks so much for posting these! :salute :salute :salute
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Since I'm a recent FA transplant I've never seen or participated in an event like this and I can say I had a blast! I even made it make home! Thanks 96Delta for putting this together!
HGBuck
CO Hired Guns
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Thanks Buck.
I too am an FA transplant from many years ago.
I flew GE with a squad named the Rebells for
many years before Microsoft sold the game.
I (really) hate the chess game free-for-all nonsense of this game but
until a more true-to-life WWII flight sim comes along I figure I'll loiter
here. Anyway, a major reason I put these missions together is to
get away from the arcade game and enjoy something a little more
historically realistic.
I'm glad you had a good time! Next month's battle
is another historical reenactment but without
bombers. It's pure fighter adrenaline!
If my Bishop counterpart can pull his troops together it
should be a furious clash.
To read more or sign up on the [MoM] Alert List visit our site:
http://david.tenifer.com/aceshigh/LCA.MoM-Current.php
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You guys forgot to thank all the guys who showed up in ponies, jugs, a Brewster (yes, a brewster) and Typhies vs the B-17's.
ROX
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We thanked them. We even gave them parting gifts. Some parts went this way, some parts went that way.........
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You guys forgot to thank all the guys who showed up in ponies, jugs, a Brewster (yes, a brewster) and Typhies vs the B-17's.
ROX
You're right ROX. I forgot about that lone Brewster.
I heard one guy quip, "What's that Brewster doing up here?"
I'm not sure, but most of the guys in allied planes
were Bish. which is odd considering we were attacking
Knights. Ok well.
Some people just don't get it.
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I have to defend them a bit.
I was Bish first, only after I saw the MoM was heading toward Nitland I switched to Knights.
That being said, I can attest that the majority of players on the Bish side did not know about the MoM, or what a MoM even is. The very concept was slowly being imparted to them by a few players, but you can't expect following any "code of conduct" by players that do not frequent the BBS. They just see a big darbar on the map.
Even when being a knight, I constantly read "whoa look at that big darbar", "what the hell is that?" and a lot of "ALERT AXX, get your >Wirbels out NOW!" every time the MoM entered a new dar circle.
MA is what it is. It is definitely not the place to expect all players to follow some "rules" (or suggestions) they don't even know about. You hardly can get them in uniform the way you can do in the SEA's, and I would not be dissapointed by that.
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You're right ROX. I forgot about that lone Brewster.
I heard one guy quip, "What's that Brewster doing up here?"
I'm not sure, but most of the guys in allied planes
were Bish. which is odd considering we were attacking
Knights. Ok well.
Some people just don't get it.
point? :headscratch: if you didnt think it was funny seeing 20-25 P47Ms streaming towards both rooks and nits (the objective was just to knock as many out of the skies as possible) then you guys need to lighten up. we did it all in good fun and everyone who upped in the bishop mission that i posted all had a blast. if you guys are whining about it then i dont know what to say. this game was made to have fun... really stop griping that the bish interfered just to have some fun...
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321,
I really didn't expect any better but please remember this particular
mission was a themed event to honor pilots who fought and died in the
actual battle 67 years ago.
I was hoping that players would honor that spirit.
I'm not mad, just disappointed and embarrassed for them.
If they didn't know, then no harm, no foul.
I'm hoping that was the case as I don't want to believe that
players are that indifferent to our attempts to honor
the battle and the men who flew in it. I hope they have more
class than that.
So, when viewed against this understanding,
Funny? Not so much.
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I (really) hate the chess game free-for-all nonsense of this game but
until a more true-to-life WWII flight sim comes along I figure I'll loiter
here. Anyway, a major reason I put these missions together is to
get away from the arcade game and enjoy something a little more
historically realistic.
are you aware of FSO, Snapshots and Scenarios?
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321,
I really didn't expect any better but please remember this particular
mission was a themed event to honor pilots who fought and died in the
actual battle 67 years ago.
I was hoping that players would honor that spirit.
I'm not mad, just disappointed and embarrassed for them.
If they didn't know, then no harm, no foul.
I'm hoping that was the case as I don't want to believe that
players are that indifferent to our attempts to honor
the battle and the men who flew in it. I hope they have more
class than that.
honestly no one that flew in the 47s knew this. we were there to have the fun, if we knew about the historical side of it we would have stayed out of it. but last MoM was also out of fun and if you didnt notice, there were 6 P51s that attacked you guys. that was us. its all in good fun, and you cant really expect less from the MAs. You just need to keep an open mind to all the players.
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321,
I really didn't expect any better but please remember this particular
mission was a themed event to honor pilots who fought and died in the
actual battle 67 years ago.
I was hoping that players would honor that spirit.
I'm not mad, just disappointed and embarrassed for them.
If they didn't know, then no harm, no foul.
In some way, the "harm" is already there. Because you and some others had certain expectations or hopes, that haven't been fulfilled for some part.
But I have to say quite frankly: Having such expectations in the MA (chaotic, free for all, and uninformed as it is) is wrong in the first place. I think I made my point pretty clear at the last memorial flight fiasco in the MA a few months ago. You can only be disappointed then.
And on a more personal note: Even knowing about this MoM and your intention to "honor the events 67 years ago", it was absolutely NOT my reason for taking a A5. Bluntly said: I couldn't care less. My reason was I wanted to "honor" (I admit i don't even like to use that word) you, my opponents. I had the feeling I should refrain from simply blasting through the raid in my 262 for the umpteenth time, particularly as you wished to engage more proper period planes. But again, that had nothing to do with "honoring" any real WW2 events or people.
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In some way, the "harm" is already there. Because you and some others had certain expectations or hopes, that haven't been fulfilled for some part.
But I have to say quite frankly: Having such expectations in the MA (chaotic, free for all, and uninformed as it is) is wrong in the first place. I think I made my point pretty clear at the last memorial flight fiasco in the MA a few months ago. You can only be disappointed then.
And on a more personal note: Even knowing about this MoM and your intention to "honor the events 67 years ago", it was absolutely NOT my reason for taking a A5. Bluntly said: I couldn't care less. My reason was I wanted to "honor" (I admit i don't even like to use that word) you, my opponents. I had the feeling I should refrain from simply blasting through the raid in my 262 for the umpteenth time, particularly as you wished to engage more proper period planes. But again, that had nothing to do with "honoring" any real WW2 events or people.
<S> lusche
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321,
I really didn't expect any better but please remember this particular
mission was a themed event to honor pilots who fought and died in the
actual battle 67 years ago.
I was hoping that players would honor that spirit.
I'm not mad, just disappointed and embarrassed for them.
If they didn't know, then no harm, no foul.
I'm hoping that was the case as I don't want to believe that
players are that indifferent to our attempts to honor
the battle and the men who flew in it. I hope they have more
class than that.
So, when viewed against this understanding,
Funny? Not so much.
like they said Delta you cant always expect ppl to listen some just dont care bud anywho. TheFew had a great time with 7 P47Ns we managed to kill atleast 20 of the attacking planes with 5 of our Boys being lost :( had a Great Time Delta looking forward to the next one :salute :salute :salute
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like they said Delta you cant always expect ppl to listen some just dont care bud anywho. TheFew had a great time with 7 P47Ns we managed to kill atleast 20 of the attacking planes with 5 of our Boys being lost :( had a Great Time Delta looking forward to the next one :salute :salute :salute
the bish were there for the fun, the P47M was really the only good plane to get to that altitude in that time frame and at the same time be able to fight BOTH germans and americans. hence why we chose it and hence why we flew it
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MoM 5 had Allied attacking the mission and vulched bombers on the runway
MoM 6 had Allied attacking the mission
Looks like some progress was made this time.
MoM 7 will have planes other than those in the mission tag along for the fight and will have Allied shooting Allied. Keeping it to a minimum is the best that can be expected.
:airplane:
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I had a blast this go around. Last MoM, I lost 1 drone and only got a few assists. This MoM I lost 1 17 but, 5 of em did not go home... :devil
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc473/UnkShadow/ahss21.jpg)
1 Tempest, 2 190's and 2 P-47's.
As for the Tempests and P-47's, meh. From what I can tell, not a single Tempest made it home. At the very least the ones that got near the 91st didn't. :devil The P-47's I do have to give a little lead way as they had a little bit of a hop to make to get to us. I don't think Delta is complaining that the Bishops came to the fight (personally, I was happy to see some of them make it :aok). His primary complaint is the use of Allied aircraft against us. Eitherway, you all need to chill out. :lol :aok I had a blast, personally. :x
On a side note, I really do think I was the only one left out of the 91st. :lol
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Its not a big deal guys.
We still had fun. It wasn't what 80 of us wanted but
it still proved to be a good time.
I do realize the risks we take when doing this in the arcade
arena and we are working to minimize them with each mission
we run.
Still, last night I made a crucial mistake by informing people of
our target on 200 and via PM's. That was stupid of me.
On subsequent missions we'll play the cards very close to the chest.
After all, "all war is based on deception" (Sun Tzu). Its high time
we started using it. :cool:
Next one should be interesting though. It's much more limited
than these big bomber missions. It probably won't last as long
either but I'm hoping it's equally fun for those who wish to
participate.
:salute
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Still, last night I made a crucial mistake by informing people of
our target on 200 and via PM's. That was stupid of me.
I don't think that this mattered much. There are not that many targets to choose from for a mission of that size. No need to get the crystal ball out of the cabinet. ;)
In that regard, the old zoned system had some advantages:" They are going to radar factory in 10-11. WAIT! They just turned towards the ords factory in 9-14!"
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In general, all seemed to have a good time...the players attacking the formation made a valiant effort to bring down the aggressors, the defense worked very well considering the 47's where limited on fuel and could not escort the bombers to target! The fighter groups had to turn around and refuel,re-engage. Once the escorts did return we where able to pin 190's ect., between us and the bombers where they got chewed up in quick order :joystick:
The one thing that mkes a mom good is the fact that as far as i see no one "dislikes it "
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I don't think that this mattered much. There are not that many targets to choose from for a mission of that size. No need to get the crystal ball out of the cabinet. ;)
In that regard, the old zoned system had some advantages:" They are going to radar factory in 10-11. WAIT! They just turned towards the ords factory in 9-14!"
Didn't matter?? Your joking right? Being forewarned allowed 190's along with Jugs to be at 30k+ in order to intercept and dive into the bomber stream. I'd say it made a huge difference!
Nutz
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Delta, I'd encourage you to run them more often if you want more players to be more familiar with the MoMs and then perhaps also have more influence on how well a theme is followed on both the green and red guys side.
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Didn't matter?? Your joking right?
I'm dead serious.
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I'm dead serious.
I agree.
The mission was posted here for just shy of 2 weeks with the lift off time and country of origin. At 8:30, 3 sectors go full dar bar at the bottom of Rook territory. Yeah, giving a shout out on 200 didn't give anyone much of a jump start. Ya'll still had about 2 hours to get to altitude and intercept. What's another 15 min? Seriously?
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The mission was posted here for just shy of 2 weeks with the lift off time and country of origin. At 8:30, 3 sectors go full dar bar at the bottom of Rook territory. Yeah, giving a shout out on 200 didn't give anyone much of a jump start. Ya'll still had about 2 hours to get to altitude and intercept. What's another 15 min? Seriously?
I didn't know the exact time (I'm frequently getting confused with all that different timezones), and I'm not tuned to Ch200.
I just waited for the darbars to appear, and when they did so far south, I logged off, played another round Mount&Blade (http://www.taleworlds.com/main.aspx?dir=features.aspx?type=2&end=1), came back after 20 minutes and still had enough time to get a gasping for air 190A-5 to 30k and finally met the enemy 2 sectors from his target. :lol
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"I too am an FA transplant from many years ago.
I flew GE with a squad named the Rebells"
I remember the Rebells........are you Frenchie?
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I too am an FA transplant from many years ago.
I flew GE with a squad named the Rebells
I remember the Rebells.....are you Frenchie?
Dang...can't figure out this quote thingy
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"I too am an FA transplant from many years ago.
I flew GE with a squad named the Rebells"
I remember the Rebells........are you Frenchie?
No I'm not Frenchie.
THIS is Frenchie!
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb209/StracCop/LCA/rebs-frenchie.jpg)
I ran under the name StracCop back then. Left in 2001.
The pic is from a website I built for them. I put all the pilots
in uniforms. :huh
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I (really) hate the chess game free-for-all nonsense of this game but
until a more true-to-life WWII flight sim comes along I figure I'll loiter
here. Anyway, a major reason I put these missions together is to
get away from the arcade game and enjoy something a little more
historically realistic.
are you aware of FSO, Snapshots and Scenarios?
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Just a reminder that "This Day in WWII: Black Thursday" runs tomorrow in special events II arena twice: at 3 pm Eastern and at 10 pm Eastern.
Details are here:
http://ahevents.org/events/this-day-in-wwii/606.html?task=view
(http://ahevents.org/images/stories/thisDayInWWII_files/blackThursday/banner-1.png)
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are you aware of FSO, Snapshots and Scenarios?
I am RT. I fly the FSO's with my squads but they end
kind of late for me. The others are out of the question
due to my schedule. So I organize these little MoM's
so that I and others in my situation can experience
some level of historical immersion....
Just trying to get a fix m8. :salute
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Didn't matter?? Your joking right? Being forewarned allowed 190's along with Jugs to be at 30k+ in order to intercept and dive into the bomber stream. I'd say it made a huge difference!
Nutz
i set up the jug mission 15-30 minutes after the Rook raid upped... :headscratch: it made no difference at all... calling out target on 200 just let me know where you were going and even then half of us still thought u were hitting Bish. All i needed to know was when the raid had upped. then i saw the counter dar bar in nitland, then decided, how about we blow them ALL up?! :lol simple. calling out target meant nothing to us bish