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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Vulcan on October 08, 2010, 04:37:23 PM
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I have a new plan for my hunting... have a damn sexy rifle so the deer will stop to admire its beauty:
(http://www.gpforums.co.nz/attachment.php?s=&postid=7475146)
(it's a Howa .243 ranchland with a Nikon scope on it)
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Nice. .243 is a real popular round here in WV for deer.
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So what do the neighbors think about you running around outside with guns wearing your Buzz Lightyear pajamas? :)
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So what do the neighbors think about you running around outside with guns wearing your Buzz Lightyear pajamas? :)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Nice .243 :aok
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WOW!ok knowing there are people walking with this in the woods I'm NEVER going hunting because ill get shot. :D
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WOW!ok knowing there are people walking with this in the woods I'm NEVER going hunting because ill get shot. :D
...why don't ya give it a try anyway.
:banana:
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So what do the neighbors think about you running around outside with guns wearing your Buzz Lightyear pajamas? :)
they know not to mess with me :D
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nice .243! :aok
i just picked up a R710 in .308, shoots great. the elk in Montana will love me from 600 yards :t
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WorldOfWarcraft!
fixed :)
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Nice :aok
IIRC you live in New Zealand?
I'll assume it's legal to hunt with a suppressor there. Do you have to have a special permit for the suppressor? How much does it quiet down the shot, and how much does it effect accuracy? Are they (suppressors) expensive, and where is it made?
WOW!ok knowing there are people walking with this in the woods I'm NEVER going hunting because ill get shot. :D
Why, do you look like a deer?
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Nice :aok
IIRC you live in New Zealand?
I'll assume it's legal to hunt with a suppressor there. Do you have to have a special permit for the suppressor? How much does it quiet down the shot, and how much does it effect accuracy? Are they (suppressors) expensive, and where is it made?
Yes NZ. All you need is a firearms license (you sit a simple test about firearm safety, two references are called, your storage area is checked). Suppressors are not restricted in any way. Mine cost US$126 + threading on the barrel ~ $50. There are dozens of brands to choose from home, many made locally. The only thing you need to flash your license for is firearms and ammo.
Click here for some examples :) ... http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/SearchResults.aspx?searchType=0005-0386-&searchString=suppressor&type=Search&generalSearch_keypresses=10&generalSearch_suggested=0
The suppressor takes the boom out of the shot. You still get the supersonic crack but not the ear ringing boom. So for a start it saves your hearing.
Generally the suppressor improves accuracy, it lowers recoil and lowers turbulence at the muzzle. Most people find muzzle velocity goes either way by 50-100fps (sometimes up, sometimes down).
As far as animals go only .22 subs are dead quiet (I have a Savage 22 as well). Anything centerfire is still noisy with the supersonic crack. However farm livestock are not spooked by it. I hunt on and around the fringe of some farms for rabbits, hares (you call them jack rabbits I think), goats and pigs, for deer we have our national parks (hunting is free).
Game animals cannot place direction on a supersonic crack, so tend to hesitate on fleeing. It gives you time for follow up shots - in case you miss or for any other animals nearby.
So the suppressor is great no matter which way you look at it (I cannot understand why you guys restrict their use when their benefits are so great). I put the latex camo tape on mine to cut down on noise it makes brushing past trees and scrub (aluminum is a bit 'tinky').
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Yes NZ. All you need is a firearms license (you sit a simple test about firearm safety, two references are called, your storage area is checked). Suppressors are not restricted in any way. Mine cost US$126 + threading on the barrel ~ $50. There are dozens of brands to choose from home, many made locally. The only thing you need to flash your license for is firearms and ammo.
That's it, or did you forget a zero on the price? :O
Here, in the US, it's a $200 Tax Stamp + the cost of the suppressor. And then they're illegal for hunting. To get mine, it cost over a grand. If they were that cheap, I'd have multiples. :)
And, nice looking rifle!
mir
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That's it, or did you forget a zero on the price? :O
Here, in the US, it's a $200 Tax Stamp + the cost of the suppressor. And then they're illegal for hunting. To get mine, it cost over a grand. If they were that cheap, I'd have multiples. :)
And, nice looking rifle!
mir
The exact model I have: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Firearm-parts/Silencers-suppressors/auction-322807872.htm (NZ$180)
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Very cool!
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So the suppressor is great no matter which way you look at it (I cannot understand why you guys restrict their use when their benefits are so great).
Their use is restricted here for a few very good, very simple reasons.
They look scary to some people.
And, some people think that naughty people might do naughty things with them, so it would be better if nobody could have them at all, including the non-naughty folks (who are only non-naughty because they haven't been caught doing the naughty things they've obviously been doing... yet...).
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They look scary to some people.
Yeah and ahh guns don't?
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Yeah and ahh guns don't?
Yulcan, I think your sarcasm detector is turned off, might want to reset it.
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Their use is restricted here for a few very good, very simple reasons.
They look scary to some people.
And, some people think that naughty people might do naughty things with them, so it would be better if nobody could have them at all, including the non-naughty folks (who are only non-naughty because they haven't been caught doing the naughty things they've obviously been doing... yet...).
Let me get this straight...
A guy with a cpid of mtnman thinks that restricting suppressors is a good thing?
In this case I think mtnman == tree hugger...
Explain to me how restricting the use of suppressors by non-felons serves a single purpose?
Oneway
PS: before you go on about straw purchases...let me point out that where suppressors are restricted (such as California)...that does not stop the gang bangers from acquiring them...EASILY...just like the flood of drugs spilling over our borders....and lets take HT's state...where suppressors are legal...contingent on federal tax stamp restrictions of course....latest crime stats has TX head and shoulders above cesspools such as Kalifornistan...
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It is positively astounding the level of ignorance the non-firearms community and 'gun fearing' individual has toward guns and their various appliances...
Absolutely astounding....chalk it up to a the purposely dumbed down public education product (served propaganda and a agenda) that our system pumps out, then amplified by the liberal college bilge that gets fed by the professors to the gullible...
This frigging country is in trouble...when its supposedly 'educated' inhabitants buy this anti-gun crap hook line and sinker...
Wake up kids....
Nobody is going to save your rear end but you...
Hello?...anybody home?
Your either a victim or a victor...your fate rests in your hands...
Out
Oneway
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PS: before you go on about straw purchases...let me point out that where suppressors are restricted (such as California)...that does not stop the gang bangers from acquiring them...EASILY...just like the flood of drugs spilling over our borders....and lets take HT's state...where suppressors are legal...contingent on federal tax stamp restrictions of course....latest crime stats has TX head and shoulders above cesspools such as Kalifornistan...
From what I understand manufacture of a suppressor is fairly easy as well.
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oneway, I think mtnman was being sarcastic in his reply. ;)
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Oneway, I do believe mtnman was using sarcasm to point out how ridiculous the logic of suppressor restriction is in this country.
That being said, I agree with your second post about gun ignorance in this country. That's very prevalent for me as the issue of concealed carry on campus has been active for the last year here at KU. The arguments against it are usually baseless and come from those who have never shot a gun and can't imagine it being used for anything but evil.
The solution, IMO, comes down to the individual gun owner showing responsibility, control, and perseverance about the issue. I have a friend who grew up in an urban environment where her only experience with guns was gang shootings, so she was understandably nervous and intimidated when I walk into her home carrying a concealed firearm. After many conversations about gun ownership, we finally took her out shooting. She might not be a gun owner any time soon, but I know her view on gun owners has changed dramatically since then.
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Very true Vulcan. An x-Army pal started a company selling suppressor tech here in Canada, where they are just as restricted as in the US. We shot every weekend together for years and I got to try all manner of spiffy kit on a lot of my rifles, which is a real rare priveledge in this country with our gun laws.
www.canadiantactical.ca (http://www.canadiantactical.ca)
Here is 13,000 dollars worth of my hard earned $$ spent on silly things, used for a different type of hunting
(http://www.canadiantactical.ca/Images/AUZjetAMP.jpg)
We use suppressors on some of our M4's at work, and I agree with you, surprisingly enough they do tend to tighten up the groups by a small margin, and with little if any loss of velocity. When engaged in night operations, having supps combined with IR gogs and laser designators is a huge, HUGE advantage, as the suppressors eat up some of the flash as well as sound by trapping the escaping gas.
I'm quite jealous you get to hunt with them in your country. A fellow I used to work with retired there and brought all his guns from Canada he could with him, and says the hunting and shooting is top notch.
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Mother of god what is that! :D
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That sir is an AMP DSR-1, probably the finest precision factory made rifle you can buy. Mine is chambered in .308, but it is available in .300 win mag and .338 Lapua. Both the latter rounds are without argument far better for most applications than little ol .308, it's just that I'm all set up for reloading .308 plus have access to loads of free or inexpensive match .308 ammo but no 300 or 338, so that's what I went with.
I've heard there is a few in the USA, and the only one I've ever seen for sale was sold for 20,000$, so worst case scenario, I can fedex mine away and buy a new Jeep (just kidding border services).
There are a half dozen shooters here in Calgary than own them, and I don't know of a single thing breaking or a failure to fire happening in the last 5 years since they came available here.
(http://www.canadiantactical.ca/Images/McMillan50.jpg)
These are the big mothers, used by our JTF2 Special operations guys (this picture was taken on their long rifle range in 2004 or so), and even THEY can benefit from having a suppressor installed, and most of them in service do.
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Very nice... spec's list some scarey MOA accuracy at range. There's a bunch of long range guys over here, 338 is popular, but same as you many like the 308, but they seem to be also getting into 270WSM and 7mmRUM a lot as well. Up in the hills they are frequently doing a lot of long range shooting on chamois and tahr. Most of my shooting will always be sub-200m.
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Oneway, I do believe mtnman was using sarcasm to point out how ridiculous the logic of suppressor restriction is in this country.
That being said, I agree with your second post about gun ignorance in this country. That's very prevalent for me as the issue of concealed carry on campus has been active for the last year here at KU. The arguments against it are usually baseless and come from those who have never shot a gun and can't imagine it being used for anything but evil.
The solution, IMO, comes down to the individual gun owner showing responsibility, control, and perseverance about the issue. I have a friend who grew up in an urban environment where her only experience with guns was gang shootings, so she was understandably nervous and intimidated when I walk into her home carrying a concealed firearm. After many conversations about gun ownership, we finally took her out shooting. She might not be a gun owner any time soon, but I know her view on gun owners has changed dramatically since then.
Report from occupied Kalifornia...
I hope he was sarcastic...having known him a bit and interacted with him I DID NOT anticipate that post...
You and I are on the same page brother.... :aok... despite myself being land locked in the lunacy that is Kaliforistan...we(and my friends here) are keeping the heat on on the CC movement across the country...
We never stop...
By the way....
Lead council on Heller came out of/was associated with our organization/affiliation (Calguns)...T & M are major allies and partners in Calgun's efforts...because quite frankly we are really pissed off...and we have felt the oppression here unlike any other in the nation...except maybe New York..
We are fighting our battles..and funding and fighting national battles...
We wont rest until we incorporate fully the 2'nd...as is the 1'st and 4'th and other amendments...next on the case list is Nordyke v King (Alameda)...
Their are various cases on the platter now working their way through the system that will leverage the Heller decision...and once and for all decide the issue of incorporation per 2nd...
We will never give up...
Nuff said...
We are taking it back and nothing is going to stop us...
See: DC v Heller
See: Nordyke v King
See: Trutanich & Michel...now Michel Associates
See: Calguns.net
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So the suppressor is great no matter which way you look at it (I cannot understand why you guys restrict their use when their benefits are so great). I put the latex camo tape on mine to cut down on noise it makes brushing past trees and scrub (aluminum is a bit 'tinky').
Cause we don't think twice about shooting people here :aok
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Report from occupied Kalifornia...
I hope he was sarcastic...having known him a bit and interacted with him I DID NOT anticipate that post...
Trust me, I was being sarcastic. I'm a long way from being a tree-hugger. My idea of gun control is I take care of mine, you take care of yours, and we both keep an eye out to make sure that we and other shooters have safe fun in a great hobby/sport/pastime.
Personally, I have zero interest in suppressors, plastic stocks, or military firearms more modern than about 1860-1865. That said, I don't see any reason why a law-abiding citizen shouldn't be allowed to own and shoot whatever types of firearms he or she would like to.
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Sorry mtnman I have had someone seriously question the need for a suppressor before (from the US) so I thought that bit was for real, guess ya hooked me :)
Anyhoo finally got a semi-calm day today, took her to the range to sight her in, piccie is a 200m group (~220 yards), grid is 1/2 inch, top one was a bit of a flier (ie me), so I'm confident she can hold a 1 inch group @ 200m :) - I'm happy.
(http://www.gpforums.co.nz/attachment.php?s=&postid=7483525)
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You know whats coming Dont you vulcan
"ey bro,ya see thus, thus, us my buum stuck"
heheehhe :devil
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Personally we used to make suppressors out of 2 liter plastic bottles and steel wool for shooting rats on campus in college...around 1991-1994...before all the dip dunks decided to start blowing holes in people at school. I was using sub-sonic ammo back then in a single shot so you only heard the hammer drop or the "spak" sound when the round exploded into the concrete or asphalt beneath the rat with the rest of its guts. We seriously chopped down the population in about 5 weeks to almost nothing. That suppressor was good for about 5-10 shots before we had to start over. I later learned how to use an aluminum can with baffles and steel wool...from an armorer friend of my dad...and they would last a lot longer.
I am thinking of getting a stamp and a paying the fee for a suppressor for my .280 for when I take it to the range. That barrel is easily threaded since it doesn't have a sight at the end and I can get that done for free by the same man as above.
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Personally we used to make suppressors out of 2 liter plastic bottles and steel wool for shooting rats on campus in college...around 1991-1994...before all the dip dunks decided to start blowing holes in people at school. I was using sub-sonic ammo back then in a single shot so you only heard the hammer drop or the "spak" sound when the round exploded into the concrete or asphalt beneath the rat with the rest of its guts. We seriously chopped down the population in about 5 weeks to almost nothing. That suppressor was good for about 5-10 shots before we had to start over. I later learned how to use an aluminum can with baffles and steel wool...from an armorer friend of my dad...and they would last a lot longer.
I am thinking of getting a stamp and a paying the fee for a suppressor for my .280 for when I take it to the range. That barrel is easily threaded since it doesn't have a sight at the end and I can get that done for free by the same man as above.
Sounds safe and responsible. You realize people like you are the reason gun laws have gotten out of hand? Nah, you don;t lol. As far as you know shooting rats on campus with a silencer on is perfectly safe and normal behavior after a few six packs lol.
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Naaaa it wasn't idiots like me in college that created the problem...it was the other idiots that sold their guns to the guys who never got drunk or wasted in college but always had that chip on his shoulder...those were the ones that caused the problems.
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Sounds safe and responsible. You realize people like you are the reason gun laws have gotten out of hand? Nah, you don;t lol. As far as you know shooting rats on campus with a silencer on is perfectly safe and normal behavior after a few six packs lol.
Fascinating concept..
Clue: your all in or your all out..
If a guy wants to cobble together a suppressor to shoot rats....how does that then justifiably translate into a conclusion that such action by congress is the "Reason" why they so readily infringe our rights as affirmed by Heller respective to the 2nd, and known by gun owners for years?
You sound like one of those squishy middle guys that advocates that "Some Gun Control" is OK and readily accepts that the definition of "Some" is best decided by career politicians(aka potatos) in DC...
It doesn't work that way anymore...and it will never work that way anymore...
Heller has affirmed our inalienable rights...the next step is to incorporate it to the states...that will happen shortly...
And yes we may live in a world more risky...but it will be free world...and the scum bag punks and gang bangers who can get any gun they want, any time they want...will be forced to think twice...
Quit selling out the common man...the normal man who doesn't at the drop of the hat engage in drive by shootings and Columbine type massacres...
We are not that stupid and unreliable...and we are the vast Majority of gun owners (99.9%)
For god's sake man...we are simple Americans not interested in shackles...Trust us...we won't screw it up..we are not a threat...
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Oneway
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Fascinating concept..
Clue: your all in or your all out..
If a guy wants to cobble together a suppressor to shoot rats....how does that then justifiably translate into a conclusion that such action by congress is the "Reason" why they so readily infringe our rights as affirmed by Heller respective to the 2nd, and known by gun owners for years?
You sound like one of those squishy middle guys that advocates that "Some Gun Control" is OK and readily accepts that the definition of "Some" is best decided by career politicians(aka potatos) in DC...
It doesn't work that way anymore...and it will never work that way anymore...
Heller has affirmed our inalienable rights...the next step is to incorporate it to the states...that will happen shortly...
And yes we may live in a world more risky...but it will be free world...and the scum bag punks and gang bangers who can get any gun they want, any time they want...will be forced to think twice...
Quit selling out the common man...the normal man who doesn't at the drop of the hat engage in drive by shootings and Columbine type massacres...
We are not that stupid and unreliable...and we are the vast Majority of gun owners (99.9%)
For god's sake man...we are simple Americans not interested in shackles...Trust us...we won't screw it up..we are not a threat...
Out
Oneway
Um nop. You just don;t understand (you were shooting rats also maybe? lol). See, I want to have a gun and now I can, but when I was back in Chicago, I could not. I am not advocating gun control. I am advocating being responsible with one. When people take their guns in campus and start shooting rats, people get scared and they ask for control and the politicians that want the votes respond. You see, when a bunch of guys start acting irresponsible with a gun it actual leads to me not having the right to own one. If people were acting responsibly with them, there would probably not be so many laws.
So, if you want to shoot a gun go in a farm or a shooting range. Drunk 20 year olds shooting rats in campus is not why the right to have a gun was given. Act like that and you lose your right but the sad part is that you also take a way the right of the rest of us. I want to have a gun and I don;t want the headbangers to have one. However, I also don;t want idiots that think a gun is for shooting stop signs or rats in campus to have one.
If you think your right to have guns was given to you so you can shoot stop signs or rats in public places, you are also the reason the rest of us have such a hard time to own one. Keep up the good work :aok
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Um nop. You just don;t understand (you were shooting rats also maybe? lol). See, I want to have a gun and now I can, but when I was back in Chicago, I could not. I am not advocating gun control. I am advocating being responsible with one. When people take their guns in campus and start shooting rats, people get scared and they ask for control and the politicians that want the votes respond. You see, when a bunch of guys start acting irresponsible with a gun it actual leads to me not having the right to own one. If people were acting responsibly with them, there would probably not be so many laws.
So, if you want to shoot a gun go in a farm or a shooting range. Drunk 20 year olds shooting rats in campus is not why the right to have a gun was given. Act like that and you lose your right but the sad part is that you also take a way the right of the rest of us. I want to have a gun and I don;t want the headbangers to have one. However, I also don;t want idiots that think a gun is for shooting stop signs or rats in campus to have one.
If you think your right to have guns was given to you so you can shoot stop signs or rats in public places, you are also the reason the rest of us have such a hard time to own one. Keep up the good work :aok
You're making a couple assumptions in this story that are just unfounded.
-He didn't say there were shooting drunk. We're fighting for concealed carry on campus here and that's one argument people try to use, "do you want a bunch of frat guys running around drunk shooting guns". It's an idiotic statement from people who don't know anything about gun ownership. My point is that he didn't say it, so there is no reason to imply it.
-You're mixing two concepts of responsibility; shooting on campus and shooting guns. How do you know they were shooting irresponsibly? I doubt they were shooting into a crowd of people to get one rat, I'm sure he knew his surroundings, checked his background very carefully and it sounds like he never hurt anything. As for it being responsible to be shooting on campus, that has a lot of variables that I just don't know and can't judge.
-I can't for the life of me find a piece of 'shooting rats on campus' legislation. It wasn't incidents like this that caused it, it's gross simplifications and misunderstandings on the part of the anti-gun crowd that cause the push for gun control.
You are very correct that demonstrating safe and responsible gun use is a key step towards the advancement of gun rights. However, IMO the biggest thing going against gun rights is simple ignorance on the part of the anti-gun crowd. I've said it before, if gun owners want their rights to stop being infringed upon, they have a responsibility to expose and talk to the non-gun crowd and quell their fears and stereotypes about gun owners.
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I knew RIGHT AWAY when this thread started that dweebs would turn it into a gun law argument and safety vs society BS. come on guys, another good thread ruined
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I knew RIGHT AWAY when this thread started that dweebs would turn it into a gun law argument and safety vs society BS. come on guys, another good thread ruined
I love discussing guns though! Maybe one of us could start a "show us your guns" thread and just make sure to report those who try to hijack. Actually... gimme a couple minutes here.
EDIT: There ya go: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,298427.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,298427.0.html)
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here is a real REAL WV hunter
(http://www3.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/afeb0ba727dfab714c7080e9cb159ed66g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=ga1uzfw17hdylqe&thumb=4)
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Um nop. You just don;t understand (you were shooting rats also maybe? lol). See, I want to have a gun and now I can, but when I was back in Chicago, I could not. I am not advocating gun control. I am advocating being responsible with one. When people take their guns in campus and start shooting rats, people get scared and they ask for control and the politicians that want the votes respond. You see, when a bunch of guys start acting irresponsible with a gun it actual leads to me not having the right to own one. If people were acting responsibly with them, there would probably not be so many laws.
So, if you want to shoot a gun go in a farm or a shooting range. Drunk 20 year olds shooting rats in campus is not why the right to have a gun was given. Act like that and you lose your right but the sad part is that you also take a way the right of the rest of us. I want to have a gun and I don;t want the headbangers to have one. However, I also don;t want idiots that think a gun is for shooting stop signs or rats in campus to have one.
If you think your right to have guns was given to you so you can shoot stop signs or rats in public places, you are also the reason the rest of us have such a hard time to own one. Keep up the good work :aok
With an argument like that, I guess I should start worrying about my right to own a car.
You wouldn't believe how irresponsibly people can behave while driving, even going so far as to drive drunk sometimes. Around here though, they've been trying to punish the people who drive irresponsibly, rather than to take away everyone's vehicle (or to limit us to vehicles that meet the politicians views on what it's ok for us common-folk to own and drive). Maybe that's the wrong tactic. Maybe we need some form of vehicle control.
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How do you know they were shooting irresponsibly?
:rofl You are right, they were providing a service with their mind on safety first :lol Same service the guys shooting at stop signs provide. I was not there to see them, but I am sure they did it sober and with safety in mind. Keep feeding the guys that don't want us to own guns. The more reasons you give them, the better they will do
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:rofl You are right, they were providing a service with their mind on safety first :lol Same service the guys shooting at stop signs provide. I was not there to see them, but I am sure they did it sober and with safety in mind. Keep feeding the guys that don't want us to own guns. The more reasons you give them, the better they will do
For someone who claims to be pro-gun, you seem to have a lot of incorrect pre-conceived notions and stereotypes about gun owners. Spent too long it Chicago, it rubbed off on ya.
EDIT: Maybe it's because I spend a good part of my time judging the reliability of research studies, but there is not enough information given for you to pass judgment on his actions. That's my point.
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I'm pro gun, but making a suppressor to shoot rats on a campus is completely retarded.
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For someone who claims to be pro-gun, you seem to have a lot of incorrect pre-conceived notions and stereotypes about gun owners. Spent too long it Chicago, it rubbed off on ya.
EDIT: Maybe it's because I spend a good part of my time judging the reliability of research studies, but there is not enough information given for you to pass judgment on his actions. That's my point.
Yes, pro-gun. Pro-idiotic behavior no! You can claim Chicago rubbed off on me as if that means something? :rofl However we both know you are the guy shooting at stop signs, aren't ya? The guy that I responded to did not get as bothered as you did. Must have hit a nerve or something :rofl
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I'm not gonna lie...the .243 cal is an awesome round...but I'm not feelin the camo scope with a OD gun... :)
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Yeaaah I think it needs the Nikon camo rings for a complete ensemble.
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rifle needs a camo wrap, inexpensive and would greatly improve its look