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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: JHerne on October 13, 2010, 04:12:08 PM
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Now...this is NOT a wishlist that is SERIOUS. But I wouldn't mind serious input...
If you could have a WW2 era aircraft that existed in some form (blueprint, concept, etc) but didn't see combat, what would would it be? For example, the P-40Q, XP-47H, XP-72, F2G, Me-209, etc.
(This hopefully eliminates all the B-29 and He-111 requests)
It doesn't need to fit into the AH criteria, we don't need to compare uber-ness or ENY or perkability, just something you PERSONALLY think would be cool. Let's pretend we're getting an AH Concept Plane arena.
I'll start...and hopefully this doesn't become ugly or overly stupid...
XP-72 - amazingly fast P-47 variant
F2G - because an F4U with a bubble canopy is cool.
Do-335 - just because.
Boeing XF8B-1 - an oft-overlooked early strike aircraft.
Ok, let the mayhem being. (Surprise me, have this be a decent thread)
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Bugatti P-110 or Kyushu J7W2
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This:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,298332.msg3813904.html#msg3813904 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,298332.msg3813904.html#msg3813904)
:D
Oh, you said WWII... :cry
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This would most likely suit my spray and pray aiming style.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XP-67_Bat
" 6 x 37mm cannons "
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Ryan Fireball
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FR_Fireball
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Very cool...
I also got to thinking about a Tempest II and Spiteful, but then I got hooked on the XP-61E...just because its cool looking...
(http://www.maam.org/p61/images/north-p61e.jpg)
J
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(http://rareaircraf1.greyfalcon.us/picturesh/ac29.jpg)
(http://www.dietsch.homepage.t-online.de/do335.jpg)
(http://www.focke-wulf190.com/images/152v7_2.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-667-7142-24%2C_Flugzeug_Blohm_-_Voß_BV_238_V1.jpg)
(http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/blohm-voss/bv40.jpg)
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Tigercat or Bearcat
Or the P61
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oh come on, how about the winner of the 1000k competition..
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01438/stealth_1438973c.jpg)
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Tigercat or Bearcat
Or the P61
u know my unkle flew the P61 in WWII???
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This would most likely suit my spray and pray aiming style.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XP-67_Bat
" 6 x 37mm cannons "
Moonbat lol
(http://www.luft46.com/mmart/mm183-6.jpg)
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Horton Flying Wing because it's unique.
Nice pic ardy.
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Moonbat lol
(http://www.luft46.com/mmart/mm183-6.jpg)
Guess im reading to many Chalenge threads. :)
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The Triebflugel! :aok
(http://www.luft46.com/ghart/ghtrb-2.jpg)
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Arado E.555
This would be my permanent ride!
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/Kassill1/arr7.jpg)
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Do335
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Always more planes, but u guys forget the single most important thing that won the BoB. That's right, the sheep. It kept the grass neatly trimmed so airplanes could land and take off without the use of runways. Andwhen dropped over eny territory it would flip tigers with no effort. I say add the sheep back in then we can talk planes.
Semp
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http://www.aviastar.org/air/usa/curtiss_p-40q.php
P-40Q
Super Warhawks FTW
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Me-209 was built, and it was just ment for pure speed, not a warplane :)
and for my favorite experiment, I would say the Bf-109Z
(http://efg.aidemac.net/images/avions/fbb/fbb_bf109zav.jpg)
becasue I like P-38's and 109's, so this is clearly the best thing that was ever dreamed up
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TA-154 :aok The "German Mosquito"
:salute
BigRat
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XP49...........
:salute
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He-162-A1
And the D4Y Judy. :D
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good luck :rofl
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good luck :rofl
Good luck for what?
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(http://c0170351.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/17491_5968_m.jpg)
:airplane:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/F7F-3P_Tigercat.jpg/600px-F7F-3P_Tigercat.jpg)
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Arado E.555
This would be my permanent ride!
That's NYC in the background - we're gonna need a bigger map!! :rofl
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Good luck for what?
Nate can't read, speak, or write in english.
I do believe he is attempting to make a request, but im not sure.
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Volksjeager ftw. Lemme know if you guys need a bigger pic.
An american serviceman inspects the newly-captured German craft on September the fifth, ninteen forty and five.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Heinkel_He_162_in_France_1945.jpg)
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Was that really necessary, to post a 4508x3504 pixel picture? Geeez...
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It was either that or a 500x600 of a model. I prefer the real thing. :P
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It was either that or a 500x600 of a model. I prefer the real thing. :P
You could have simply downsized it.
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You could have simply downsized it.
Duely noted.
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Volksjeager ftw. Lemme know if you guys need a bigger pic.
yup, bigger pic needed. :)
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Looking at some of the stuff here, we are pretty lucky that Hitler was a wacko and some projects got stalled or FUBARed.
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Looking at some of the stuff here, we are pretty lucky that Hitler was a wacko and some projects got stalled or FUBARed.
The influence of Hitler is usually vastly overrated. Lot of myths about that.
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Looking at some of the stuff here, we are pretty lucky that Hitler was a wacko and some projects got stalled or FUBARed.
Allied bombing campaigns are much more responsible for the retardation of such projects.
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Its amazing what a simple 1000-lb. bomb can do to a technology race, eh?
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Don't kid yourself...... The level of technological improvements between the Allied nations, vs. the Nazi Party..... Is like night and day. And if it weren't the persecution of the Jews, men like Einstein, Peierls, Frisch & Szilárd would never have left their countries.
Allied bombing campaigns are much more responsible for the retardation of such projects.
The heavy bombing, starting in '43, simply kept the Germans from resupplying their forces and forcing the shutdown of many projects. German production process was the true culprit.... The King Tiger was so dam hard to make from a resource/money perspective. Countless others. The German's beat themselves.
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Hey Llogan, what is the name of the plane you posted the picture on? She is a beauty!
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Hey Llogan, what is the name of the plane you posted the picture on? She is a beauty!
Appears to be an F7F :aok
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Agreed LLogan. Had the Germans focused work on a single type of fighter, the Fw-190 and 262 for example, instead of all of these radical projects, things could have been different, at least prolonged.
But I think its all tied together, too. Taking away the ability to produce weapons certainly puts pressure on all of the other aspects of making war, including developing technology. If anything, the destruction of Germany's industrial capacity sped the technology along, as they were desperately trying to find something to turn the tide.
Fortunately, the scientists that left Germany robbed the Nazi party of huge advances in technology that may have impacted the outcome, or most likely, duration, of the war.
J
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Appears to be an F7F :aok
The Bearcat? I have heard of them, but not seen them. Sexy bird!
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The Bearcat? I have heard of them, but not seen them. Sexy bird!
Actually, I think it's the Tigercat. Bearcat is F8F if I remember correctly.
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Actually, I think it's the Tigercat. Bearcat is F8F if I remember correctly.
I have never been a cat person, always liked dogs! :lol Thanks for the clear-up on the name. Still sexy!!!!
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Yes Sir.... The Tigercat. 4200 HP's coming from the P&W R-2800-34W's, climbing at 4,500 fpm, with 4 .50's and 4 20's (both M2 variety) Too late for WWII, 10 year career, but saw little action in Korea.
Appears to be an F7F :aok
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Yes Sir.... The Tigercat. 4200 HP's coming from the P&W R-2800-34W's, climbing at 4,500 fpm, with 4 .50's and 4 20's (both M2 variety) Too late for WWII, 10 year career, but saw little action in Korea.
Actually it was in theater and flew night missions in the last week of the war,however it didnt see any combat.
The F8F was on the way as well and somewhere in the pacific when the war ended.
I could be argued that the F7F could/should be included,it wasnt the planes fault that they didnt see combat.
However there are plenty of other planes needed before the F7F.
:salute
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"Looking at some of the stuff here, we are pretty lucky that Hitler was a wacko"
Most of the "pictures" of these German uber weapons never made it off of the
weinerschnitzel napkin they were drawn on down in some bomb shelter east
of the Rhine. This lufwaffle porn is the product of die selbstbefriedigung
by some Third Reich groupies while thinking "what if..."
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Yes and no...
The Go-229 (the Horton Bros. flying wing), was an actual aircraft, the fuselage of the original still resides at NASM.
The Bv.155 was in the prototype stages, etc.
But yes, many of the Luftwaffe '46 projects never made if off the napkins!
J
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No, it is all No. Forget the fantasies for a sec Westy. In 1942 when the US were introducing the P51, the German's already changed out the piston engine for a jet powered ME262.
Yes and no...
The Go-229 (the Horton Bros. flying wing), was an actual aircraft, the fuselage of the original still resides at NASM.
The Bv.155 was in the prototype stages, etc.
But yes, many of the Luftwaffe '46 projects never made if off the napkins!
Most of the "pictures" of these German uber weapons never made it off of the
weinerschnitzel napkin they were drawn on down in some bomb shelter east
of the Rhine. This lufwaffle porn is the product of die selbstbefriedigung
by some Third Reich groupies while thinking "what if..."
J
I am not trying to be anti anybody, not trying to be annoying, simply stating the facts. If anybody ever speaks to a military historian, ask that person for yourself.......... If you can stand to swallow the answer that is given.
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I dunno fellas, I guess we have to take into consideration what we consider to be an uber-weapon. This is open to discussion in itself.
Obviously, the ultimate uber-weapon of 1945 is the A-bomb...working downwards from there...
The overwhelming majority of the drawings that appear in the Luftwaffe '46 books are science fiction, but, were still within the reach of the designers had they additional time and resources to create them. Some of those became actual aircraft, whether or not they flew or reached operational status (a heated debate in another thread!), we can't deny that engines were being bolted to radical airframes.
Much of the technology taken from the Germans in 1945 was implemented into both US and Russian aircraft production, if more for testing than anything else. When one compares the Triebflügeljäger to the XFY Pogo, the Ta-183 Huckbien to the Bell X-5, or the XF-92A to some of the proposed Lippisch designs, its obvious that much of this wasn't fantasy.
I do have several books on Luftwaffe Secret Projects, though, and some of this stuff is out in left field, such as kerosene-propelled pulse jet intercontinental bombers, etc. For the most part, though, I don't think these guys were dreaming up stuff that required a flux capacitor.
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Don't kid yourself...... The level of technological improvements between the Allied nations, vs. the Nazi Party..... Is like night and day. And if it weren't the persecution of the Jews, men like Einstein, Peierls, Frisch & Szilárd would never have left their countries.
The heavy bombing, starting in '43, simply kept the Germans from resupplying their forces and forcing the shutdown of many projects. German production process was the true culprit.... The King Tiger was so dam hard to make from a resource/money perspective. Countless others. The German's beat themselves.
Appropriate for a "Since we're all being silly ..." thread.
You forget radar, sonar (ASDIC), computers, laminar flow wings, the Merlin engine ... the Allies were not dolts.
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No, it is all No. Forget the fantasies for a sec Westy. In 1942 when the US were introducing the P51, the German's already changed out the piston engine for a jet powered ME262.
J
I am not trying to be anti anybody, not trying to be annoying, simply stating the facts. If anybody ever speaks to a military historian, ask that person for yourself.......... If you can stand to swallow the answer that is given.
The only way the Axis might have won is if the UK, USSR and the USA had rolled over and bought into their propaganda. And that didn’t happen, did it?
Read James F. Dunnigan or John Keegan. The US, at the start of WW2, coming out of the Depression, had something like 30% of the world’s industrial capacity. From 1941 through 1945, the US produced approx. 55% of the aircraft in the world. (I’m going from memory from Dunnigan’s Dirty Little Secrets of World War 2.)
The Axis had just about zero chance of winning, starting on September 1, 1939.
I do have several books on Luftwaffe Secret Projects, though, and some of this stuff is out in left field, such as kerosene-propelled pulse jet intercontinental bombers, etc. For the most part, though, I don't think these guys were dreaming up stuff that required a flux capacitor.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. Despite the coolness factor, none of these were war winners.
Back to the OP and the rest of the thread, some good images.
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BS yourself LLogan. I'm not talking about the me262 or me163 or the Meteor
or the P-80a aircraft. (Nazis did not change out their piston engines for
the me262 btw. why dont you go read up on it's development and about
who had a jet fighter first and when the 262 actuall was ready and deployed)
I'm referring to the wishy washy Deutchland Uber Alles, leather under wearer
who get the "if only Hitler had just..." boner from the artwork found at Luft46
being shown in this topic.Like the 6 jet engined Arado ny bomber.
Referring to the BV.155 would have been a high alt pig as it was meant to
combat the B-29. Only got 10 hours flight time the USAAF had had escort
aircraft in theater that would eat it up. Same with e DO-335. At hi speeds
it porpoised.
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foo fighter?
:D
:bolt:
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You're um......................... Wrong on so many levels friend. You are right about one thing..... Erny Heinkel had the first successful jet powered flight, not Willy M. But, he was German too. :salute And if you're going to make a Whittle reference, remember, theory/concept is still theory/concept. :aok
BS yourself LLogan. I'm not talking about the me262 or me163 or the Meteor
or the P-80a aircraft. (Nazis did not change out their piston engines for
the me262 btw. why dont you go read up on it's development and about
who had a jet fighter first and when the 262 actuall was ready and deployed)
I'm referring to the wishy washy Deutchland Uber Alles, leather under wearer
who get the "if only Hitler had just..." boner from the artwork found at Luft46
being shown in this topic.Like the 6 jet engined Arado ny bomber.
Referring to the BV.155 would have been a high alt pig as it was meant to
combat the B-29. Only got 10 hours flight time the USAAF had had escort
aircraft in theater that would eat it up. Same with e DO-335. At hi speeds
it porpoised.
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well, because I'm bunnies and bunnies have large and I mean LARGE families, I need a ride to transport them all in (hey what can I say, we like to reproduce). How about we get some air liners!
(http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/2716582.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=45B0EB3381F7834DCDEB425783639206C8968778331938EC11D40A26B3E28636)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/DH_Comet_1_BOAC_Heathrow_1953.jpg)
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I dunno Ardy, the wings liked to come off that baby. Pretty though!
Gents, its easy to speculate that this airplane would have been a pig, or that plane porpoised at high speeds, etc. Truth of the matter is, 95% of these aircraft were rushed into development and prototype without sufficient testing. Ok, the Do-335 had lateral control issues at high speeds. Just like the Martin B-26, changes to the wing or stabilizers probably would have fixed the problem had they the time to determine its cause. A change in the angle of incidence of the wing on the B-26 and it went from the Widowmaker to the most-survivable bomber of WW2. The P-51, underpowered with the Allison, adapt a Merlin to it and it becomes one of the defining aircraft of the 20th century.
We have no clue how the Bv.155 would have performed at 40,000ft., it never got the chance. We have no clue how the Do-335 would have stood up against B-17s and their escorts. They never met. Conjuncture at best.
This thread was started (by me) just to see what you fellas thought would be cool in our cartoon world, knowing full well that we'll never see any of these planes in AH.
J
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I dunno Ardy, the wings liked to come off that baby. Pretty though!
Aint that the truth!! I think it was metal fatigue in the areas around the windows that caused most of the breakups.
Would love to fly one of these in a flight sim though
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I want the Flying Dutchman so I can send everyone to Davy Jones locker
YARRRRRRR
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Was that really necessary, to post a 4508x3504 pixel picture? Geeez...
i gotta ask...what was the picture? its too big for me to see :rofl
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i gotta ask...what was the picture? its too big for me to see :rofl
It was an M-18 :lol
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And somebody should tell him to right click, "view image" to see it........... :neener:
It was an M-18 :lol
i gotta ask...what was the picture? its too big for me to see :rofl
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It was an M-18 :lol
dont even go there :rofl
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P-38K!!!!
From the very beginning of America’s involvement in World War Two, Lockheed was looking for ways to improve the performance of the P-38. The installation of Rolls Royce XX Merlins was seriously considered. Lockheed went as far as designing the installation package. The advantages of the Merlin engine were numerous. First and foremost was the elimination of the complex turbocharger system. This would also result in a much cleaner engine nacelle. The turbo intercoolers could be removed. That would have allowed for a more aerodynamic package, closer in shape to that of the original XP-38. Another option was to remove the Prestone radiators and place them under the engine as in the P-40. This location had the additional advantage of reducing the length of the cooling system plumbing. This, in turn, reduced the risk of battle damage to the system. Either option would result in a significant reduction in drag and weight. A further benefit would be gained by the removal of intercooler ducting in the front portion of the outer wings. This volume could be utilized for increased fuel capacity. In fact, that is what was done when the P-38J was designed with revised intercooler cores that eliminated the ducting. This increased internal fuel capacity by 110 gallons.
Flight tests were conducted from late February through the end of April 1943. Performance was better than hoped for. Maximum speed at critical altitude (29,600 ft) was 432 mph (Military Power). At 40,000 feet, the "K" zipped along at a speed that was 40 mph faster than the current production P-38J could attain at this same height. Maximum speed in War Emergency Power, at critical altitude, was expected to exceed 450 mph. The increase in ceiling was just as remarkable. Flown to 45,000 ft on an extremely hot and humid day, Lockheed engineers predicted a "standard day" service ceiling in excess of 48,000 ft! Improvement of the cowling fit and the elimination of the heavy coat of paint would have gained even more performance. Due to the added efficiency of the new propellers, range was expected to increase by 10 to 15 %. Lockheed appeared to have a world-beater on their hands.
The plane, now designated the P-38K-1-LO was flown to Elgin Field for evaluation by the USAAF. Flown against the P-51B and the P-47D, this Lightning proved to be vastly superior to both in every category of measured performance. What astounded the evaluation team was the incredible rate of climb demonstrated by the P-38K. From a standing start on the runway, the aircraft could take off and climb to 20,000 feet in 5 minutes flat! The "K", fully loaded, had an initial rate of climb of 4,800 fpm in Military Power. In War Emergency Power, over 5,000 fpm was predicted.
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P-38K!!!!
From the very beginning of America’s involvement in World War Two, Lockheed was looking for ways to improve the performance of the P-38. The installation of Rolls Royce XX Merlins was seriously considered. Lockheed went as far as designing the installation package. The advantages of the Merlin engine were numerous. First and foremost was the elimination of the complex turbocharger system. This would also result in a much cleaner engine nacelle. The turbo intercoolers could be removed. That would have allowed for a more aerodynamic package, closer in shape to that of the original XP-38. Another option was to remove the Prestone radiators and place them under the engine as in the P-40. This location had the additional advantage of reducing the length of the cooling system plumbing. This, in turn, reduced the risk of battle damage to the system. Either option would result in a significant reduction in drag and weight. A further benefit would be gained by the removal of intercooler ducting in the front portion of the outer wings. This volume could be utilized for increased fuel capacity. In fact, that is what was done when the P-38J was designed with revised intercooler cores that eliminated the ducting. This increased internal fuel capacity by 110 gallons.
Flight tests were conducted from late February through the end of April 1943. Performance was better than hoped for. Maximum speed at critical altitude (29,600 ft) was 432 mph (Military Power). At 40,000 feet, the "K" zipped along at a speed that was 40 mph faster than the current production P-38J could attain at this same height. Maximum speed in War Emergency Power, at critical altitude, was expected to exceed 450 mph. The increase in ceiling was just as remarkable. Flown to 45,000 ft on an extremely hot and humid day, Lockheed engineers predicted a "standard day" service ceiling in excess of 48,000 ft! Improvement of the cowling fit and the elimination of the heavy coat of paint would have gained even more performance. Due to the added efficiency of the new propellers, range was expected to increase by 10 to 15 %. Lockheed appeared to have a world-beater on their hands.
The plane, now designated the P-38K-1-LO was flown to Elgin Field for evaluation by the USAAF. Flown against the P-51B and the P-47D, this Lightning proved to be vastly superior to both in every category of measured performance. What astounded the evaluation team was the incredible rate of climb demonstrated by the P-38K. From a standing start on the runway, the aircraft could take off and climb to 20,000 feet in 5 minutes flat! The "K", fully loaded, had an initial rate of climb of 4,800 fpm in Military Power. In War Emergency Power, over 5,000 fpm was predicted.
me want!!!
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de havland vampire. was is service in 1945 but just missed the war . Uses the Goblin centrifugal jet engine. 4 X 20mm cannon high agility but not as fast as the 262
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(http://www.historyofwar.org/Pictures/Ju390_02.jpg)
Fear me biches!!
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(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_nJqgFX_G2nI/SltN12KkEMI/AAAAAAAAD0k/SAmptQvneGE/funny-plane-bike_thumb.jpg?imgmax=800)
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The Lockheed L-133
(http://tanks45.tripod.com/Jets45/Histories/Lockheed-L133/L133_1.jpg)
I GOTTA GET TO TEH DEATH STARR!!! Looks very futuristic, also seems to be one of the revolutionary planes of the time that didn't cause certain death (i.e. landing gear, potential for excess fuel to mix and go boom, engine failure, etc.)
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Kind of like the Martin Baker MB5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin-Baker_M.B.5) myself. Looks like a P-51, but had a 2340hp Griffon, contra rotating prop and four Hispanos. Test pilots loved its performance (460mph) and handling, but although it first flew in 1944 the advent of the jet age killed it off.
(http://attachments.techguy.org/attachments/113762d1187402665/martin-baker-mb-5-.jpg)
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That's one of the aircraft I was looking for Greebo...couldn't remember the name for the life of me (but I was too lazy to get into the books).
Pretty aircraft.
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(http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/AE/Anazi3D.jpg)
(http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/cetinbal/KO/Nazihaunebuv.jpg)
Why? Because we all know...
(http://www.royarden.com/blog/pictures/Hitler%20with%20Alien%20UFO%20VRIL%20Haunebu%20WW2%20Nazi.jpg)
:noid
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:noid :rofl
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:noid
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Well....I did say silly... :headscratch:
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greebo's suggestion brought this to mind CA-15
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/CA-15.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC_CA-15
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This would most likely suit my spray and pray aiming style.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XP-67_Bat
" 6 x 37mm cannons "
6 37mm's what r u retARDED THAts too many pitching machines for 1 plane