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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: oTRALFZo on October 26, 2010, 04:05:50 AM
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Not going to beat a dead horse here and whine about arena caps. I just wanted to point out the noticeable differences with gameplay this past weekend.
Besides the fact that squaddies and I had the luxury of not worrying about what arena we could or couldn't get into, we all noticed we were logged on more than we do on an average day. I think we all agreed this past weekend was probably the most fun we had together in a long while, but why? We have been through the Titanic Tues one arena many times but this weekend was noticeably different.
Numbers were consistently even on all sides throughout the weekend, each front had great fights. Most of all what we noticed was the great response team mates gave when either setting up a silly mission just for fun ( great responses for a stuka mission), to getting help when a horde was inbound. 200 chatter was kept great this weekend. With the exception of arguments that spurred on the hidden CV debate, which was more comical then foul. :lol
Arena splits in my opinion bring a differnet "feel" to the game. IMO, it just naturally draws people to horde or be hoarded. 90% of the guys are off beating up one section of the map, while the other is getting rolled over. This is pretty consistent with both LW maps. Why it does this, I don't know, but it is very noticeable.
The weekly map resets have a great impact also. It seems since the TT setup, weekend play has been about hordes racing to get the most real estate the weekend and if there was no realistic chance of a reset before Tuesday morning, Mondays were typically the good days to find the "fighting" crowd.
Any thoughts?
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I wouldn't complain if there was only one arena.
Personally, I've always enjoyed Titanic Tuesdays.
I suppose what I would say is that it's worth a shot for a week to see how people respond. No harm, no foul.
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Has it occured to anyone why most people were on there best behavior last weekend?
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Yes!
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multiple arena's means multiple maps and different people to play against. I like having a choice of arena's to go to. less arena's less fun!
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I like the different arenas as well, if 1 is overwhelmed with child like behavior I can go to another that has adults behaving badley,,, :rolleyes:
:lol
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I like having two arenas, it's the caps that I hate.
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Weekend was probably the best two days I had in a long time playing AH. Lots of action at all parts of the map and numbers were even.
Why we have to have two maps is beyond my imagination. Especially yesterday...the big weekend-map was locked to 100 (!) players with teamnumbers like
40 / 40 / 20. No chance for the team with the lowest numbers to get even because nobody could enter the map. :furious
On Saturday the same map/server could easily handle 590 players (!). Arena-split with low player-numbers: NO...give us only one LW arena!
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I have no real problem with having two arenas. Make sure that they are different ones (best would be one large only, one small only), and people would have a choice. Personally, I can live with resulting imbalances between countries, that's what ENY is for.
It's CAPs only why I dropped my AH account. They just do not work like they did two or even just one year ago.
My "that's it!" moment was when the large map arena was locked at 100 and the small one was creeping along at 40 players... for about 4 hours during euro primetime.
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I have no real problem with having two arenas. Make sure that they are different ones (best would be one large only, one small only), and people would have a choice. Personally, I can live with resulting imbalances between countries, that's what ENY is for.
It's CAPs only why I dropped my AH account. They just do not work like they did two or even just one year ago.
My "that's it!" moment was when the large map arena was locked at 100 and the small one was creeping along at 40 players... for about 4 hours during euro primetime.
if someone like snailman can close his account over this on going issue then that surely has a few alarm bells ringing from your ever faithful off-peak population. That has dwindled over the last few years IMO.
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multiple arena's means multiple maps and different people to play against. I like having a choice of arena's to go to. less arena's less fun!
You are hurting your self. One arena, better chances someone will not like it and end up in the AvA
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if someone like snailman can close his account over this on going issue then that surely has a few alarm bells ringing from your ever faithful off-peak population. That has dwindled over the last few years IMO.
Snailman is one of the members in our community that commands my up most respect, right along side the likes of Greebo, Guppy, Karnak and Kev. It's a sad day to see you cancel your account, however I feel the same way you do and a big part of me wants to do the same, again.
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if someone like snailman can close his account over this on going issue then that surely has a few alarm bells ringing from your ever faithful off-peak population. That has dwindled over the last few years IMO.
Indeed. When TT's started, and I came on at my usual times (around 20:00 CET) there used to be already like 300 players online. The last couple of TT's the numbers were down to like 150.
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This weekend was fun for our squad as well. It is sad that our entire squad is considering and searching for a new game due mainly to caps. Because we are older business men with little time for friends, we use this game as a social network as well and enjoy hangin with our buds, without annoying constraints. :cheers:
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You can't be serious can you :lol I was on peak hours weekend past and it was some of the worst hoarde monkey activity I've seen in ages! Its becoming clear it is some people's idea of fun especially a lot of squads, I'm all for people doing their own thing but this is a combat sim, steamrollering bases with overwhelming numbers disabling all avenues for your opponent to defend themselfes so you can vulch fighters with GVs and planes and get a XXXX landed so many kills.
This is not really combat since their is no risk to you, and probably why the bases have been changed and the arenas split and the dar changed. The whine now is it takes to many to take a base translated that means 'it takes a lot more people to set up a score vulch and then take the base' to do that you need more numbers online which then leads to the I want the big arena back whine :lol
I do agree however that the caps are a little strange numbers wise and off putting at times though. :salute
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move the timing of the cap back 4 hours and It wouldn't be a problem for us.
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<<<<<< Pro Choice
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Just for arguments sake, on Sunday I played a couple hours in the afternoon and logged because I looked across the map and all I saw were hordes chasing each others tails. I logged back in to check the maps two or three times over the next several hours just to see if anything was going on and I just saw the same thing. At one point right before I decided to call it a night and head to bed about 50% of people on my current country were sitting in the tower because all of the 4-5 fields that had any action at all going on were being swarmed by the hordes.
Conversely last night I logged on, went to blue since I preferred the map/terrain there and enjoyed a couple hours of battle, getting some kills here and there and collecting more than my fair share of violent cartoon deaths in the process, with friendly banter and joking going back and forth between the two combating countries along with a liberal sprinkling of salutes and wit.
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:lol
You are hurting your self. One arena, better chances someone will not like it and end up in the AvA
As for the real problem, as so many have pointed out.... The CAP... I do not think it would hurt the servers (or whatever other reason HTC uses) if CAPs never went under 400. That way primetime Europe can have a little more freedom before the real need for CAPs comes into play anyway.
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:lol
As for the real problem, as so many have pointed out.... The CAP... I do not think it would hurt the servers (or whatever other reason HTC uses) if CAPs never went under 400. That way primetime Europe can have a little more freedom before the real need for CAPs comes into play anyway.
You are right. The problem is not the servers. The FE on the other hand is a different story. I see a huge difference in frame rates, stater, and planes flying through tracers on TT when 400+ are on.
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<<<<<< Pro Choice
democrat
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Just for arguments sake, on Sunday I played a couple hours in the afternoon and logged because I looked across the map and all I saw were hordes chasing each others tails. I logged back in to check the maps two or three times over the next several hours just to see if anything was going on and I just saw the same thing. At one point right before I decided to call it a night and head to bed about 50% of people on my current country were sitting in the tower because all of the 4-5 fields that had any action at all going on were being swarmed by the hordes.
Conversely last night I logged on, went to blue since I preferred the map/terrain there and enjoyed a couple hours of battle, getting some kills here and there and collecting more than my fair share of violent cartoon deaths in the process, with friendly banter and joking going back and forth between the two combating countries along with a liberal sprinkling of salutes and wit.
Indeed, everybody (regardless of playing style) can have a good night with few players on and find a absolutely sucking combat environment with mayn players in an arena.
But for those interested in more that than fighting 1v1, the chances are much higher if more players are online. Terrain size, base distribution and base/town layouts require a minimum population to ensure varied & dynamic gameplay.
One year ago, the CAPS were merely annoying to me. But it took only about one hour to get LWB up to numbers LWO to regain it's mpmentum again. When I left 2 weeks ago, this time has increased to 3-4 hours - about the whole evening.
Once the time when caps kicked in, it was in fact the best time for this, with rapidly growing player numbers during that time. The last time I tracked it, the total number of players online after cap begin stagnated and even dropped! Seemed almost as if a lot of players simply turned back at the entrance...
I have it even better than most of you guys. I don't have a squad, I do not "have to play with my friends", I do not need to join an arena with certain players. This aspect of the cap system doesn't even bother me :)
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:lol
As for the real problem, as so many have pointed out.... The CAP... I do not think it would hurt the servers (or whatever other reason HTC uses) if CAPs never went under 400. That way primetime Europe can have a little more freedom before the real need for CAPs comes into play anyway.
Can't wait for the day you log on as player #401.
I can hear the screams already.
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You are right. The problem is not the servers. The FE on the other hand is a different story. I see a huge difference in frame rates, stater, and planes flying through tracers on TT when 400+ are on.
This is true :(
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You are right. The problem is not the servers. The FE on the other hand is a different story. I see a huge difference in frame rates, stater, and planes flying through tracers on TT when 400+ are on.
You're right, Skuzzy once stated the following: The server doesn't even pass 2% stress on TT. A drop in frame rate usually has a lot to do with your computer not being up to the task.
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Indeed, everybody (regardless of playing style) can have a good night with few players on and find a absolutely sucking combat environment with mayn players in an arena.
But for those interested in more that than fighting 1v1, the chances are much higher if more players are online. Terrain size, base distribution and base/town layouts require a minimum population to ensure varied & dynamic gameplay.
One year ago, the CAPS were merely annoying to me. But it took only about one hour to get LWB up to numbers LWO to regain it's mpmentum again. When I left 2 weeks ago, this time has increased to 3-4 hours - about the whole evening.
Once the time when caps kicked in, it was in fact the best time for this, with rapidly growing player numbers during that time. The last time I tracked it, the total number of players online after cap begin stagnated and even dropped! Seemed almost as if a lot of players simply turned back at the entrance...
I have it even better than most of you guys. I don't have a squad, I do not "have to play with my friends", I do not need to join an arena with certain players. This aspect of the cap system doesn't even bother me :)
I agree that there is a range of #'s that I think give the best chance for a fun evening of AH, be it duels, furballs, tank battles, base capture, etc. What those actual numbers are could be argued to death I'm sure but I do believe there is a minimum and maximum. Once that point of critical mass is reached I think certain aspects of the game begin to deteriorate. I also understand that under the current system a lot of European players really get the short end of the deal. I see the CAPS and multiple arenas as a flawed but necessary solution to the problem, I do really hope that a better idea/solution presents itself.
For the record 1v1's aren't my favorite thing in AH, if I had to pigeon hole myself into any single classification I would say I'm a furballer at heart. I find a group engagement to offer more prolonged fun over the course of the evening than a series of 1v1's. That being said a good 1v1 can really make my night. :)
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I see the CAPS and multiple arenas as a flawed but necessary solution to the problem, I do really hope that a better idea/solution presents itself.
Just tossing a thought into the ring: Is that problem that gave birth to split arenas & caps still there?
The overall number of players online in the mains is much lower nowadays then back when the caps were introduced. In fact, the total LW population O and B combined) on workingdays is most of the time even lower than in the single most populated LW arena after the split, with caps.
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Just tossing a thought into the ring: Is that problem that gave birth to split arenas & caps still there?
The overall number of players online in the mains is much lower nowadays then back when the caps were introduced. In fact, the total LW population O and B combined) on workingdays is most of the time even lower than in the single most populated LW arena after the split, with caps.
It is an interesting question, but I think it would be hard to quantify. I know you've been keeping statistics on arena populations, the only question I would have is what times were those samples taken? It's entirely possible that numbers online dropped during some times and increased in others, I would also imagine that arena numbers could be a decent analog for subscribers the two numbers are technically unrelated. I could keep an account and not log at all during a given tour (I know I've done it. :)) There also could be multiple accounts for one household that get consolidated down to one. Plus how to quantify lower numbers and arena caps and not other external factors like a down economy?
But is it an interesting question. :)
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Just give us two arenas with no caps, large map in one and a small map in the other. Problem solved.
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It is an interesting question, but I think it would be hard to quantify. I know you've been keeping statistics on arena populations, the only question I would have is what times were those samples taken? It's entirely possible that numbers online dropped during some times and increased in others, I would also imagine that arena numbers could be a decent analog for subscribers the two numbers are technically unrelated. I could keep an account and not log at all during a given tour (I know I've done it. :)) There also could be multiple accounts for one household that get consolidated down to one. Plus how to quantify lower numbers and arena caps and not other external factors like a down economy?
But is it an interesting question. :)
First, let me claryify that I never said the caps are the (sole/main) reason for dropping numbers. It's my personal belief (<-important) that the caps did not have any considerable negative influence (on player numbers online) for a long time. HT stated that the quote of players keeping a subscription after their 2weeks did improve.
However I do have the opinion that now they possibly do contribute to the problem, as it takes more and more time to get to "critical mass" during off peak times.
In other words: For one's individual gameplay, it doesn'T make that much difference if there are 500 or 250 players on a large map. But having to join a 40 players arena instead of playing with 180 makes a much bigger difference.
But all in all, the phenomenon of decreasing numbers is a different, (and quite complex) discussion.
On the numbers:
I have three sets of numbers I'm currently basing my argumentation on.
The first, and weakest data source is my memory. While I always took big interest in all numbers (as you all know :D), I did not care to keep records during the "golden days". While I used to fly a lot both at Euro as well as US times, I'm reluctant to compare US numbers now and then. But I belive I have a very good memeory for offpeak numbers.
But as memory is fallible, it try to get different data to compensate for that. One crutch to measure some kind of "activity" is simply to count the number of kills made in the arenas over time - this number is available. While there can & will be some minor variation due to holidays, tour length and maps, it's quite comparable as the basic distances & gameplay design didn't change during the past 5 years:
(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9133/ahact.jpg)
(Black column= Arena Split)
And the third set is data actually recorded by me. I started this last month, to see how player numbers and caps work out during the day. By chance I found one set of numbers showing arena population during Euro prime from early 2009, which allowed me a comparison based on hard data.
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Can someone please jog my memory as to which tour the main arena was split and the caps were implimented.
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Can someone please judge my memory as to which tour the main arena was split and the caps were implimented.
The split happened in tour 81, the black column in my graph.
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The numbers I've seen thrown around that caused the caps to be implemented don't seem to me to show up except at the peak peak times, like Friday night, Saturday, and TT. Even then, it's generally in the 300 and change area, if I remember right.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that having an arena full of people to fight where you feel like just one in a crowd is less of a turn off compared to having an arena that feels empty when you log in.
I'd be very curious to see what it would be like if they just did like Kazaa suggests. The people looking for the crowd could find it in Orange, and the people looking for smaller fights could also find it in Blue.
The problem with this kind of spitballing is, the detrimental effects (if any) wouldn't be seen for a while and they'd probably be subtle. For the first while, numbers would be up, constant threads on the forums trumpeting how awesome it is that they did away with caps, etc and soforth. The test would be what the game and peoples attitudes looked like after 2 or 3 months.
Lusche- Just throwing this out there as a caution, but might a play style shift skew the kills/tour numbers a bit? Just as an example, if the majority were more inclined at some point to luftberry til they were dead versus extend and rtb tactics being more popular at another time that might skew the numbers some, wouldn't it?
Still, it should be a decent enough baseline I'd think.
Wiley.
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Lusche- Just throwing this out there as a caution, but might a play style shift skew the kills/tour numbers a bit? Just as an example, if the majority were more inclined at some point to luftberry til they were dead versus extend and rtb tactics being more popular at another time that might skew the numbers some, wouldn't it?
I can't rule this out, but I do not think it's very probable. I did not see any larger change in LW arena tactics during the last 5 years (just for the record, I averaged 130 hours every month from tour 70-128 ;)).
But to verify this, I'm currently comparing the complete score of a few selected tours for variances in K/H and K/S... but that will take some time...
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What I find interesting about that chart there Lusche is something I believe HT said during some of the split/CAP discussions, and my memory is a little foggy here so if you recall please correct me. I believe HT said that prior to the arena split that subscription rates had slowed or declined. What I don't recall if this was was the rate at which two-week trial accounts were subscribing, or if the number of canceled accounts exceeded the number of new accounts.
At any rate according to your graph the number of kills in the arena while showing a significant drop off during tour 56 were actually back on the rise prior to the split, which if we're taking as a rough idea of number of players online seems to contradict what HT said (or at least my memory of what he said).
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there has been quite a few gameplay changes since then, Increased ack, less vulching, The terrain change killed the TT mass spawn fights,
we had a period of small maps only and everyone whined for the large maps, I think this would be one of the main factors for the drop in kills. The smaller the map, more action , more kills.
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I agree about the small maps
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At any rate according to your graph the number of kills in the arena while showing a significant drop off during tour 56 were actually back on the rise prior to the split, which if we're taking as a rough idea of number of players online seems to contradict what HT said (or at least my memory of what he said).
But the kill numbers do not tell much about subscription numbers. A huge number of 2-weekers do generate a lot of kills for us AH vets. If HTC would do a huge advertising sweep, it would most probably boost the kill numbers significantly, while possible not resulting in any more subscriptions.
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Has it occured to anyone why most people were on there best behavior last weekend?
uumm....could it have something to do with those that wield the bansticks watching?
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What I don't recall if this was was the rate at which two-week trial accounts were subscribing, or if the number of canceled accounts exceeded the number of new accounts.
I don't think I ever saw that specifically stated. Everything I've seen on the boards about it said the game had stopped growing, which I would take to mean total number of accounts was stagnant or declining. Maybe someone who was there or with better search-fu saw something I missed, but that's all I ever saw mentioned.
With how they play it pretty close to the vest when it comes to that kind of info, I doubt we'll get anything much clearer than that.
Wiley.
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we had a period of small maps only and everyone whined for the large maps, I think this would be one of the main factors for the drop in kills. The smaller the map, more action , more kills.
My first comparisons of average K/H numbers do not seem to support that
Also, the large maps came back around tour 93, together with Titanic Tuesday (will check the exact date). You can see the kill numbers did not go down.
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With how they play it pretty close to the vest when it comes to that kind of info, I doubt we'll get anything much clearer than that.
Wiley.
You're correct in that, I don't expect HTC to make those numbers public which is perfectly reasonable I wouldn't expect any business to disclose that sort of information.
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Enable floating arena caps 24/7 (this keeps the arenas at relatively equal population) and swap out maps as population rises and falls during the day. Big maps for the time period of higher population (more people, bigger map) and small maps for the time of low population (less people, smaller map).
I realize the map change would require a server reset but I think the idea would work and be better than turning the arena caps on and off.
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Enable floating arena caps 24/7 (this keeps the arenas at relatively equal population) and swap out maps as population rises and falls during the day. Big maps for the time period of higher population (more people, bigger map) and small maps for the time of low population (less people, smaller map).
I realize the map change would require a server reset but I think the idea would work and be better than turning the arena caps on and off.
Ahhh yeah, tell that to the generals that were 5 minutes away from winning the war when the reset happens :aok
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I fly in BLUE, not a problem. :cheers:
Can't wait for the day you log on as player #401.
I can hear the screams already.
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You are hurting your self. One arena, better chances someone will not like it and end up in the AvA
:rofl :rofl
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democrat
No I am an American. We are not represented at that level.
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No I am an American. We are not represented at that level.
So you are for one arena then :rofl
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I fly in BLUE, not a problem. :cheers:
Not a problem?
With the arena caps locked at 400 as you suggest you'll eventually get...
LWO 400/400
LWB 10/400
Have fun flying with 9 others.
You know not of which you speak.
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Ahhh yeah, tell that to the generals that were 5 minutes away from winning the war when the reset happens :aok
Win the war? How often does that happen anymore?
It's been one continuous static front furball since forever!
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I like having big arena caps, I keep getting separated with squadies and more people=more fun
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I think people generally had alot of fun over the con weekend with the large arena.
Seemed like a normal amount of cesspool-ish stuff going on..I atleast didn't have to find a place to fight cause they were everywhere.
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So you are for one arena then :rofl
I am for a choice of arenas..... no socialist games.
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Being in my own business for 30 years I can tell you it is not about how many is on-line at any given time, it is about how many subscribers. Here is an idea - make it 50 cents per hour.
:cheers:
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Just for arguments sake, on Sunday I played a couple hours in the afternoon and logged because I looked across the map and all I saw were hordes chasing each others tails. I logged back in to check the maps two or three times over the next several hours just to see if anything was going on and I just saw the same thing. At one point right before I decided to call it a night and head to bed about 50% of people on my current country were sitting in the tower because all of the 4-5 fields that had any action at all going on were being swarmed by the hordes.
Conversely last night I logged on, went to blue since I preferred the map/terrain there and enjoyed a couple hours of battle, getting some kills here and there and collecting more than my fair share of violent cartoon deaths in the process, with friendly banter and joking going back and forth between the two combating countries along with a liberal sprinkling of salutes and wit.
Yeah there were hordes. What was different was the fact that more people werent as reluctant to up counter the hordes as they usualy are.
What seems consistent is the style of gameplay once you get more people in one arena. Lately on weekends, its been a horde fest to try to grab as many bases as they can before the map resets tuesday morning. Essentialy what you have is all your freindlies on one front of the map swarming bases that are less defended as opposed to the other side which is getting rolled.
This past weekend just seemed as though there was an even balance on all sides. More people in an arena meant more people looking for action and once you see action on a part of a map, more and more people get involved. Squaddies and I had a blast. We left one fight and jumped over to another.
I can totaly understand having a cap or limit in one arena. More than 400-500 is just TOO much. I just dont think the numbers are high enough consistenly to support 2 arenas.
When the WW1 arena arrived, I remember both LW arenas had no cap. Allthough LWB was getting a reputation for being the milkrunning arena, I also had a great time going in there and killing the milkrunners. Allthough it must of failed, I would love that setup in the LW arenas.
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Lusche- Just throwing this out there as a caution, but might a play style shift skew the kills/tour numbers a bit? Just as an example, if the majority were more inclined at some point to luftberry til they were dead versus extend and rtb tactics being more popular at another time that might skew the numbers some, wouldn't it?
Still, it should be a decent enough baseline I'd think.
Wiley.
It is statistically impossible for that to be the case. What lusche posted is not a sample of the population, it is the population. For the entire population to change the way they fly would have to be as result of a big change that was made in the game. Didn't happen.
Numbers are dropping, as I have suspected and that graph proves it. The two main factors imo are the caps and the difficulty to kill the town and win the war.
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Another factor is probably the crappy economy. I am certain for families in distress this game is one of the first things to go. If demand (subscriptions) is falling perhaps a decrease in price is necessary. $9.99/month would be a good start :D (month to month not the full price in advance promotion).
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Numbers are dropping, as I have suspected and that graph proves it. The two main factors imo are the caps and the difficulty to kill the town and win the war.
Hm.
The new towns were introduced in Tour 126, the "downward" trend was there much earlier. At least for LW, it may contribute, but it's probably not the main reason.
A different picture we see when examining EW numbers. While EW suffered disproportional high from sinking numbers for a long time (due to several reasons), it seems the new town was the coup de grace - Which makes perfectly sense, if you only have 2-4 players and planes with very limited destructive capacity compared to the LW counterparts, but the rules are still the same (town size, base layout, ack strength)
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4089/ewactivity.jpg)
But I think I digress - After all, EW doesn't suffer from CAPs at all ;)
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No I am an American.
:headscratch:
?American what? American goat cheese?
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:headscratch:
?American what? American goat cheese?
Shhhhhh, he is from Texas ;)
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Shhhhhh, he is from Texas ;)
hahahahaha :rofl
wait......what?!? :huh
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uumm....could it have something to do with those that wield the bansticks watching?
CAP has stolen a ban stick?? :noid :bolt:
:lol sell on Ebay to the highest bid ASAP! :rock
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lol so many non-americans here now they can't fathom folks who are true Americans. :D
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Interesting to long on last night and see the complaining going on about hordes and no decent fights. Considering it was TT and what most folks claim is the answer to all of the AH world problems, I was surprised at the intensity of that griping.
regardless of what side you were on, the fights were one sided horde wars to take bases. There seemed little interest in air combat other then the occasional 'go to the DA" if you want a fair fight comments.
We used to blame the ills of AH on the 'kids' during the summer months. It's not summer. The game play has definitely changed which makes me wonder if the interests of the average MA goer have changed now as well.
After listening to Soulyss sounding so discouraged last night, I really began to wonder if the game has drifted in a direction many of us old timers just don't get anymore.
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Interesting to long on last night and see the complaining going on about hordes and no decent fights. Considering it was TT and what most folks claim is the answer to all of the AH world problems, I was surprised at the intensity of that griping.
regardless of what side you were on, the fights were one sided horde wars to take bases. There seemed little interest in air combat other then the occasional 'go to the DA" if you want a fair fight comments.
We used to blame the ills of AH on the 'kids' during the summer months. It's not summer. The game play has definitely changed which makes me wonder if the interests of the average MA goer have changed now as well.
After listening to Soulyss sounding so discouraged last night, I really began to wonder if the game has drifted in a direction many of us old timers just don't get anymore.
Its a new age old timer :D
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Its a new age old timer :D
Could be. I don't know that it's necessarily a better age. But again the bottom line is the player base. The number of players paying to play makes a difference.
To me the one arena filled to the brim creates an anonymity that is harder to get in an arena with smaller numbers. It's easier for the 'community' to police itself then. One large group of players is less inclined to play the game in a way that is detrimental to the rest of the players in that arena. You know who is doing what and there can be a, for lack of a better way to say it, peer pressure to think beyond the tip of your own nose in terms of game play.
One of the things that seems to have changed is the idea of interacting with other players regardless of chess piece. Now it's you and 90 of your closest friends in your three squad wing, focused on just that group. Note that the whines about caps generally include "I can't fly with my squad!" I've yet to see a whine that includes "I don't get to fly against the guys I like to fly against." I believe there was a time when folks thought that way. You knew who would give you the best fights and wanted to fly against them. It didn't have to be 'go to the DA" if you want a fight
I think from reading what Hitech has said in the past, he has a concern for that social aspect of the game and at what point that gets lost in the numbers game.
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Could be. I don't know that it's necessarily a better age. But again the bottom line is the player base. The number of players paying to play makes a difference.
To me the one arena filled to the brim creates an anonymity that is harder to get in an arena with smaller numbers. It's easier for the 'community' to police itself then. One large group of players is less inclined to play the game in a way that is detrimental to the rest of the players in that arena. You know who is doing what and there can be a, for lack of a better way to say it, peer pressure to think beyond the tip of your own nose in terms of game play.
One of the things that seems to have changed is the idea of interacting with other players regardless of chess piece. Now it's you and 90 of your closest friends in your three squad wing, focused on just that group. Note that the whines about caps generally include "I can't fly with my squad!" I've yet to see a whine that includes "I don't get to fly against the guys I like to fly against." I believe there was a time when folks thought that way. You knew who would give you the best fights and wanted to fly against them. It didn't have to be 'go to the DA" if you want a fight
I think from reading what Hitech has said in the past, he has a concern for that social aspect of the game and at what point that gets lost in the numbers game.
Nice post but that being said, I rarely see you or any 80th (other than Cactus and the occasional Soulyss) in the DA mixing it up in the style of fight that you guys pine for so greatly on the bbs. If you want the fight, you should head off to the DA more frequently. If you want the MA environment, you need to take the good with the bad.
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To me the one arena filled to the brim creates an anonymity that is harder to get in an arena with smaller numbers. It's easier for the 'community' to police itself then.
Whoa...
The absolute worst environment in terms of social behaviour I have encountered in AH during my years was without exception in small, low populated arenas.
For some time AvA and for a very, very long time the EW had been very(!) unfriendly places.
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Nice post but that being said, I rarely see you or any 80th (other than Cactus and the occasional Soulyss) in the DA mixing it up in the style of fight that you guys pine for so greatly on the bbs. If you want the fight, you should head off to the DA more frequently. If you want the MA environment, you need to take the good with the bad.
I have to agree with Grizz here mostly about the DA stuff :salute Corky
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Nice post but that being said, I rarely see you or any 80th (other than Cactus and the occasional Soulyss) in the DA mixing it up in the style of fight that you guys pine for so greatly on the bbs. If you want the fight, you should head off to the DA more frequently. If you want the MA environment, you need to take the good with the bad.
It isn't about the 80th or myself Grizz. That misses the point. I know you want to be right about this stuff, and frankly your approach to it, is the way the game has gone. Whether it's right or not remains to be seen. I'm at the point where my flying time is such that I take the good with the bad. I can't get worked up about it anymore. That doesn't mean I don't have some thoughts on it.
My point was that that with a large map and large numbers, there is no motivation to interact with folks beyond your 3 wing squad. There little to no ability for the community to police itself and gameplay. That wasn't always the case. I do believe that's the social part of the game that Hitech has referred to in the past when talking about numbers in one arena.
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It isn't about the 80th or myself Grizz. That misses the point. I know you want to be right about this stuff, and frankly your approach to it, is the way the game has gone. Whether it's right or not remains to be seen. I'm at the point where my flying time is such that I take the good with the bad. I can't get worked up about it anymore. That doesn't mean I don't have some thoughts on it.
My point was that that with a large map and large numbers, there is no motivation to interact with folks beyond your 3 wing squad. There little to no ability for the community to police itself and gameplay. That wasn't always the case. I do believe that's the social part of the game that Hitech has referred to in the past when talking about numbers in one arena.
Cmon now, most players in the game play in one wing squadrons. This is a massive exaggeration.
The game is very social actually, just not the type of eutopia that you wish it were. If we are going to be throwing out HiTech quotes, I will add that he has said in the past, that the object of the game is to piss off the enemy, which goes against a lot of what you say in regards to how you should approach combat in the main arena.
So why do you not ever head over to the DA for fights? There are frequently groups of players participating in fun & fair fights on the deck that are quick to get to and the best action you could possibly see. That is where I get my fair fights and competition. The MA is basically just a bunch of brainless seagulls flying around cawing at eachother. It's fun to see how many seagulls you can kill before you have 10 seagulls cawing and chasing you away.
There also are other events that are held in the spirit of the fight such as King of the Hill and Baldeagl's Tournament that you might want to check out. Those of us that do enjoy the fight participate in them regularly. :salute
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Cmon now, most players in the game play in one wing squadrons. This is a massive exaggeration.
mhhh... I feel another chart coming up :D
EDIT:
Quick check on EW, MW & LW Squads:
Squads with 1 wing: 236
Squads with 2 wings: 12
Squads with 3 wings: 2
Squads with 4 wings: 2
Squads with 5 wings: 1
Squads with 8 wings: 1
Most wings in the "multi" squads are not filled up at all. The biggest squad with 8 wings has 15 players per wing.
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mhhh... I feel another chart coming up :D
you have more? :huh keep them coming i think i have all the others copied out next to my desk here :)
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you have more? :huh keep them coming i think i have all the others copied out next to my desk here :)
Makes me wonder: Who's the bigger nerd? The one compiling all that useless stuff, or the one printing it out? :headscratch: :uhoh
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Makes me wonder: Who's the bigger nerd? The one compiling all that useless stuff, or the one printing it out? :headscratch: :uhoh
:lol you got me :D
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Whoa...
The absolute worst environment in terms of social behaviour I have encountered in AH during my years was without exception in small, low populated arenas.
Agree with this 100%. Less populated arenas IMO, the problems are more concentrated. One dork is always going to be a dork with 10 people or 100 people. I have to say out of any online game Ive ever played, this has been the most "social" community of all.
I noticed as of late a revolving door of new players. That feeling of community and knowing/respecting others beyond your chesspiece I think comes with maturity. My experience coming into this game was that all red guys are scum and we do everything to stop them. Most new guys I think go through this stage. (some never grow out of it :rofl). More and more I was acclimated with the community, the more respect I had towards others and the game itself.
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Cmon now, most players in the game play in one wing squadrons. This is a massive exaggeration.
The game is very social actually, just not the type of eutopia that you wish it were. If we are going to be throwing out HiTech quotes, I will add that he has said in the past, that the object of the game is to piss off the enemy, which goes against a lot of what you say in regards to how you should approach combat in the main arena.
So why do you not ever head over to the DA for fights? There are frequently groups of players participating in fun & fair fights on the deck that are quick to get to and the best action you could possibly see. That is where I get my fair fights and competition. The MA is basically just a bunch of brainless seagulls flying around cawing at eachother. It's fun to see how many seagulls you can kill before you have 10 seagulls cawing and chasing you away.
There also are other events that are held in the spirit of the fight such as King of the Hill and Baldeagl's Tournament that you might want to check out. Those of us that do enjoy the fight participate in them regularly. :salute
Let's clarify something real fast. This isn't about me. I don't know why it always comes back to what I do. Again I'll say it. I understand that this is the way it is now. My understanding is the arena split stuff had to do with player numbers and the social aspect of the game.
What my rose colored glasses remember was a time where you knew where squads were going to be, you knew the guys you were fighting against, you knew where the fights would be on the map and the community policed itself. I don't believe that's possible in one 500+ person arena. Lusche talks about low numbered arenas being a problem. I would not disagree. I believe that HTC is looking for that in between where the social and the combat come together.
Your wish is I accept it the way it is. To me that's the attitude that has now taken over in the game. Do whatever you want regardless. So be it. My experience coming into an online flight sim was shaped by the guys who were there at the time. Their attitude was not 'do whatever you want regardless.' They took some ownership of how the game was shaped. I would like the MA to reflect us doing something about that. I doubt it will happen.
Again, it's my rose colored glasses at work I'd imagine. But do me a favor. I'm not talking about how it's impacting on me. It's my observations, opinion on it. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I agree, the social aspect of the game is what is gone, and it is also the main reason so many "old timers" have left, and I'm sure it why a lot of the new players are leaving also. As a case in point, how many of the players who attend the KOH, and Balds turny are players that have been playing under 2 years? I don't know as I don't fly them, but my guess it would be people who have played many years, and maybe a number of folk that no longer attend the MAs.
Todays player is only interested in getting to the top, and it doesn't matter how they do it. To most the "top" is either the win the war, or the scoreboard, or even just getting their name in lights. It might even be something as minor as 90 of his closest friends all typing WTG!!
I don't know, I must have the same brand of glasses as Guppy. Saturday, the bish were running NOE after NOE because they had the water to run across. Once all of the shore line/ island bases were captured they disappeared. An hour later the rooks.... if you can believe that... had most of them back. The bish that were together Saturday were interested in nothing more than running a bunch of bases to get all their WTG's posted and them moved on. Thats not combat, thats clubbing baby seal "IF" you can catch them at what ever base they "pop up" at. I don't care what any of them say either, it's NOT strategy, it's hiding from a fight.
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This is the same kind of stuff I read on this board when I joined AH 5 years ago. "Today it's all about war or score, the old folks are driven away, no one wants to fight anymore, no honor" and so on ;)
Five years ago, both big countries were clobbering the small one in the race for reset (old war rules). We still had Fighter Town, but it was frequently bombed and even captured. CH 200 was quite the same way it is today. Only few players from 99/00 were still playing back then in 05. Same as few guys that joined with me are still playing today. After I jhad been on for a few tours, the LCA (not a squad, but a multi-sqd "alliance") turned Rookland into one borglike horde that smashed 4 fields to take one.
AH population wasn't really "better" back then. :)
One reason many "vets" stop flying or limit themselves to small niches like Duelling League is not that the gameplay and player base went worse - it's because they have seen it all, and what once was exciting is now dull & average.
And I will never forget that certain player: He joined AH about the same time I did. I remember we onced camped a spawn in our Tigers, getting 50+ kills (camping was easier back then) and WTG'd each other.
2-3 years later the same guy started to complain more & more how the game has detoriated, how lame the newbs were playing and that no one does really fight anymore :)
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So why do we talk about it then? Why all the charts and stats? Why does it still matter to you?
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So why do we talk about it then? Why all the charts and stats? Why does it still matter to you?
Huh?
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Huh?
You seem to be telling me that what I'm seeing is the same old same old. If so, why are we talking about it?
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You seem to be telling me that what I'm seeing is the same old same old. If so, why are we talking about it?
There are different topics/aspects in this thread, and I differentiate between them. I'm not using a broad brush.
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I've been playing nearly a year now, and here is my observation.
I signed up with daydreams of flying with some squadron of (Allied/Axis) on our way to get into some brutal engagement with the enemy (Allied/Axis).
What I've found in the MA's is just a bunch of cartoon nonsense.
C-hogs killin my B-17's. Spitfires killin my F4u1A. Other 109's killin my 109. Etc. etc etc etc.
BORING
This is why i haven't logged into the MA's in quite some time. (Actually logged in tonight to make an appearance at squad night. What happened? Got my low P38 jumped by a Corsair from the stratosphere. I <S> the guy and left.)
The only thing keeping my money flowing is the AvA arena and the upcoming Racing season.
I'm sure that they too will dry up eventually.
I know that some will say, " You can do snapshots or FSO." That is well and good, but my schedule is hectic and doesn't always allow for me to be reliable enough to commit.
Take my words for what they're worth (little), but understand that I believe the game is going downhill due to the complete lack of....ugh what's the word I'm looking for...?
Cohesion? comprehension? compassion? Oh wait.....REALITY Yeah, that's it.
Lame cartoon gameyness is all that will be left soon.
Flame on Chodes. Melvin
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This is the same kind of stuff I read on this board when I joined AH 5 years ago. "Today it's all about war or score, the old folks are driven away, no one wants to fight anymore, no honor" and so on ;)
Five years ago, both big countries were clobbering the small one in the race for reset (old war rules). We still had Fighter Town, but it was frequently bombed and even captured. CH 200 was quite the same way it is today. Only few players from 99/00 were still playing back then in 05. Same as few guys that joined with me are still playing today. After I jhad been on for a few tours, the LCA (not a squad, but a multi-sqd "alliance") turned Rookland into one borglike horde that smashed 4 fields to take one.
AH population wasn't really "better" back then. :)
One reason many "vets" stop flying or limit themselves to small niches like Duelling League is not that the gameplay and player base went worse - it's because they have seen it all, and what once was exciting is now dull & average.
And I will never forget that certain player: He joined AH about the same time I did. I remember we onced camped a spawn in our Tigers, getting 50+ kills (camping was easier back then) and WTG'd each other.
2-3 years later the same guy started to complain more & more how the game has detoriated, how lame the newbs were playing and that no one does really fight anymore :)
....and 5 years before that FT and TT were almost NEVER taken, squad battles lasted all night over a single base because people DEFENDED the bases they took, not just run off to the next NOE, channel 200 was good natured ribbing and I don't remember ANYONE complaining about being "muted" EVER. The major squads had dozens of mission saved in the mission planner and the first 5 were NOT "Everyone take a nik and go NOE, or everyone take a 110 and go NOE, or everyone take a hvy P38 and go NOE, or everyone take your favorite cannon bird and go NOE, or everyone take a goon and go NOE..... well ok that last one was a main staple :P
The point is is the game play has been declining steadily over the years. I think the only reason the game is still going at this point is due to "Mommy and Daddy" using it as a place to park their kids for a few hours everyday.
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Could be. I don't know that it's necessarily a better age. But again the bottom line is the player base. The number of players paying to play makes a difference.
To me the one arena filled to the brim creates an anonymity that is harder to get in an arena with smaller numbers. It's easier for the 'community' to police itself then. One large group of players is less inclined to play the game in a way that is detrimental to the rest of the players in that arena. You know who is doing what and there can be a, for lack of a better way to say it, peer pressure to think beyond the tip of your own nose in terms of game play.
One of the things that seems to have changed is the idea of interacting with other players regardless of chess piece. Now it's you and 90 of your closest friends in your three squad wing, focused on just that group. Note that the whines about caps generally include "I can't fly with my squad!" I've yet to see a whine that includes "I don't get to fly against the guys I like to fly against." I believe there was a time when folks thought that way. You knew who would give you the best fights and wanted to fly against them. It didn't have to be 'go to the DA" if you want a fight
I think from reading what Hitech has said in the past, he has a concern for that social aspect of the game and at what point that gets lost in the numbers game.
Police what???? That is how they play the game. The objective is to win the war. Change the objectives if you want different game play. You act as if the hording and everything we don;t like is caused by a couple of guys that can hide in the crowds lol. The community is not going to police what the community thinks is the norm. Less people less hoards. More people more hoards. Available options, hoards only.
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Xbox generation.
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Shuffler picks 1v1s.
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Shuffler picks 1v1s.
LOL so does Agent :)
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Agent picked me twice last night and I didn't even have my hand up :D
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LOL so does Agent :)
Let me clarify:
Shuffler picks 1v1s and then bleeds his heart against it here.
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Let me clarify:
Shuffler picks 1v1s and then bleeds his heart against it here.
:rofl
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Let me clarify:
Shuffler picks 1v1s and then bleeds his heart against it here.
He sure got to you didn't he. Kinda surprised you take it so hard considering your view on the game. Good thing we've got you around to be Shuff's conscience. You don't like preaching but like to preach? :)
Come on Grizz you are contradicting yourself by ankle humping Shuff. Since when did what Shuff say make so much difference to you? Having flown with him for a while now, I've got a good idea about his approach to the game. Your recent comment refers to last night when there were no 1 v 1s despite folks trying to. I called in on Juggler and his D25 and we were away from the main furball. Juggler was disgusted by Agent coming into our fight. Agent knows better. If he was after Shuff, he knew Shuff was in a 38J not a G. Juggler and I had been knife fighting for a bit and Juggler had me stalled out and was ruddering down to nail me. Agent knew it and shot anyway.
Let's clarify. Of all the guys I enjoy fighting Agent is near the very top as he normally fights the same way I do. So it was a surprise that he would do that.
Since Shuff and I were flying in the same area last night, I'm not sure which 1 v 1 he would have picked as there were none that didn't involve other folks. Keep in mind I was flying higher then Shuff and I got as high as 4K so I'm not sure how he picked anyone/ Some of us on 200 were trying to make it work but it didn't on either side. I know I apologized to Agent on one occasion where we were knife fighting and some guy came through and picked him. I tried to call the guy off but he wouldn't listen. This happened on a number of occasions on both sides of that fight. Juggler and I were in the same situation and a guy blew in and picked Juggler. Both he and I did our best to explain to the guy what was happening and that we'd called out the fight was in on 200. Nothing doing of course.
Sunbat was trying to set up fights from a CV to the field we were upping. He got grief from his own side for it. One of the vTards then promptly sank the carrier. When asked why he ruined the only good fight we had going his comment was 'that's what I do'. No one else wanted it but that 'play the way I want to' mentality came in and ruined the good fight.
My suggestion to ya Grizz, instead of worrying so much about the 80th guys, you just continue to go about your business of playing it the way you want to play. Trust me, no one is listening to the 80th guys anyway. They're too busy listening to you :)
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I am still of the opinion that one way to improve the "social" aspect of the game (hordes) would be to do intentionally. What happpened in Airwarrior as a matter of technological restrictions of the time. Limit the amount of planes that can be up from any one base at any given time.
We all know the Horde Warrior tactics of attacking little defended bases (regardless of chess pieces) is one of the biggest problems in the game right now.
By limiting the amount of planes that can up from bases at any given time it would make that hording more difficult by spreading out over a wider front the bases a horde can take off from.
Hording would still be able to be done but would actually require a bit more planning and coordination to get everyone on target at or near the same time. It would require some semblence of of a country behaving as a team rather then the current mob mentality which really all the current horde is. Something Im not quite sure the large numbers that play are capable of all at once.
This would give any defending country time to respond accordingly which would lead to a larger fight over a larger front. Because when you up from an airfeild. Where folks looking to fight usually head is to where they see the red dots
Im not in favor of arena caps. Never have been. As I had originally thought. It just seems to tick people off more then anything else.
People want to fly with the people they want to fly with. And you just arent going to get many individuals to ask entire groups of people to move to a different arena because that individual cant get into the one their friends are in. I know speaking for myself. I wouldnt even consider saying. "Hey I cant get in. can all of you give up what your doing there to come to this arena so we can all fly together?" I dunno. just seems kinda selfish to me. I just wouldnt feel comfortable doing that. And I think alot of other people probably feel the same way
I however have no problem with split arenas if done sensibly.(for lack of a better term) As it could give people more of a choice as to what kind of environment they want to fight in.
Perhaps a better solution would be to have one arena with only large maps. And the other with only the small ones since there seems to be a significant amount of people with either preference to make it work.
I'd also like to see a return of the old strat target system and zone bases with their new layouts. Everytime I show someone the game that hasnt seen it before and tryt o explain whats going on and what you can do. They invariably ask what happens when you bomb the Ammo factory, or fuel refineries (for example) To which I can only tell them. Well not much of anything. The very next question they ask almost without exception is "Then whats the point?"
And there in lies the problem with the strat targets. They're uninteresting And the only reason to hit them over hitting a base is if your not doing anythng better (bored) or to get people to try to chase you. which you can just as easily get by bombing a base..in half the time! I mean really. Why fly for an hour to hit something that doesnt do anything but go boom when you do hit it?
I think part of the problem is that while the bases and targets are becomming more complex. The game itself is getting so dumbed down its just becomming uninteresting
Just my observations. You are all free to have your own
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He sure got to you didn't he. Kinda surprised you take it so hard considering your view on the game.
What can I say, I'm a sucker for hypocrisy.
Shuffler goes out of his way to pick isolated 1v1s.
You want to see? (Trust me you don't)
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What can I say, I'm a sucker for hypocrisy.
Shuffler goes out of his way to pick isolated 1v1s.
You want to see? (Trust me you don't)
And you care again why? Maybe he's just trying to tick you off? His version of trolling. Look how he gets you to jump.
And as far as it goes, post away. I don't care at this point. As you continue to say, and I've come to accept. People play the way they want to play. I can only control me. You trying to change Shuff is as dumb as me trying to convince you to change. Aint gonna happen.
Again, you don't like being preached at, yet you continue to preach. Seems a bit hypocritical too wouldn't you say?
I don't recall Shuff posting anything recently since your last ankle humping session. You clearly convinced him your way is right and he's doing whatever he wants cause it's his fun.
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And you care again why? Maybe he's just trying to tick you off? His version of trolling. Look how he gets you to jump.
Ohhh comon now. That is how he flies. Except of when he is picking slows off of the runway. Why do you care so match about what Grizz is saying? its his 15$ but preaching against it :rofl
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Maybe he's just trying to tick you off? His version of trolling. Look how he gets you to jump.
He didn't know who it was. It's incredible what you see in shades. :cool:
You should try it sometime, see how they fly when you aren't around.
Again, you don't like being preached at, yet you continue to preach. Seems a bit hypocritical too wouldn't you say?
I don't recall Shuff posting anything recently since your last ankle humping session. You clearly convinced him your way is right and he's doing whatever he wants cause it's his fun.
I don't mind preaching, just as long as the one doing the preaching lives up to it. You are the prime example of someone who practices what he preaches and I respect you for that. Shuffler has been targeted because of the glaring hypocrisy he brings to discussion time and time again.
http://dasmuppets.com/public/Grizz/shuffler10.ahf (http://dasmuppets.com/public/Grizz/shuffler10.ahf)
Nice little one minute film of shuffler diving directly down into an isolated 1v1 rolling scissor to pick a player. Well, I don't want to spoil the ending, you be the judge. :aok
Discuss please. :angel:
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But Grizz, you don't get it. You win. You've been right all along. Anything goes. No expectations of other players. Do what you want to do. What else do you want me to say?
I've agreed with you now in many different threads. It's silly to have any sort of expectation of other players. Again, since your diatribe against Shuff in that other thread, we've quit talking about it. I told you. You are right. I was wrong.
You've got all the proof you need. Shuff is evil. Behind that aw shucks Texas act of his, he's clearly a flying contradiction. I'm glad you went so far as to fly around in Shades just to prove your point. He's been flying like you all along.
As I said. You win. I apologize for the 80th and the guys in the squad. It's all been an act and we've been found out. I'll probably have to start kicking guys out. Enough of em have been Muppets, maybe you can take them back since they're not up to my standards apparently.
I'm glad we've got you around to police us. :aok
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He's been flying like you all along.
Actually even I would have passed that one up. Diving 4k racing a fellow cawing seagull for a pick on an isolated 1v1 is not something I try to make a habit of doing. I understand why a less skilled or frustrated player would do such a thing though.
Corky, I luv you and the 80th. Do not misconstrue the pwnts that have been made here.
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What was this thread about again? :confused:
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- 50 cents for a ice cold Coca-Cola to enjoy in the cartoon universe.
- 15 bucks a month extra for a shade
- $1000 for a computer, controllers and Internet access
- Inadvertently catching someone in the act of doing what he looks down his nose at others for doing.
Priceless.
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P.S.
I'll come visit u in prison Shuffler. :D
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What was this thread about again? :confused:
I was just thinking to my self the same thing.. :huh
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(http://cw-chronicles.com/anecdotes/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/derailed-train.jpg)
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Just to clarify grizz...... we were outnumbered most of the time and much lower......
Glad I wear boots or my ankle would surely be sore.
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Caw caw caw!!!
Fixed. :aok
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Both ankles. :neener:
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:rofl
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It's CAPs only why I dropped my AH account. They just do not work like they did two or even just one year ago.
My "that's it!" moment was when the large map arena was locked at 100 and the small one was creeping along at 40 players... for about 4 hours during euro primetime.
I have purposefully stayed out of the CAPS discussion. But now I kinda feel compelled to say something. Just tried to log in 8pm Finnish time the login screen looked like this:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f147/Wmaker/fridaynight_29_10_10_8pm.jpg)
Just wanted to voice my opinion, that is all. I won't say another word about this. I love the game. I just hope some kind of solution will be found to give easier/better access to bigger numbers at Euro primetime.
<S> HTC
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Just to clarify grizz...... we were outnumbered most of the time and much lower......
Glad I wear boots or my ankle would surely be sore.
I'm a little disappointed, I really thought you'd go with the Margarita Defense.. I don't think anyone is going to buy the Ankle Humper Diversion Tactic. Just a tip, use the Ankle Humper Diversion Tactic more sparingly, in particular, in situations where a poster is putting the pressure on without any actual facts, evidence, or substance to his posts. In this case, when film is posted as clear as day as to what you did, the Margarita Defense, aka, "I was drunk", is a much more stable way to back pedal. Your bbs acm's are lacking.
As for your other claim that you were in fact outnumbered 'most of the time', I suppose we could find more film to discount that as well, but it is not really the point. At that juncture in time, you had a choice to pass up an isolated 1v1 or to race a fellow cawing seagull for the pick. You did a good job getting your nose down quickly and cutting off your fellow seagull's angle and firing 800yds out to be sure that he did not get the kill. You were not interested in the quality of fight that your ally and Mozerela were having, but instead more interested in recording a cheap kill. Nothing wrong with that 'XBox Generation' mentality, but just be sure not to bleed your heart against it when you embody it k? K. :aok
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LOL Grizz. I'm glad you care so much about us :)
I'll be waiting for you to get the last word on this btw. As I said. You win :aok
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Hmm first time I've used ankle humper in regards to someone hanging on my leg. Not sure how sparingly one can get than that.
I realize how things can get blown out of proportion in young minds though.
Most everything you've said since you admitted your style or lack thereof has simply gone down the drain. Discounted and marked useless for future members of AH.
Take anything I say to you with a grain of salt. I marked you off the list of folks that one can converse with intelligently quite some time back.
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"I will announce to everyone in the forums I'm cancelling my account at the end of this tour. This will force Hitech to change the settings. I'll be back in two weeks if he doesnt"............................. ROFLMAO
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I... Uh...
I feel like I see grizz in a completely useless argument with someone in every other thread. I don't remember him doing that months ago, what happened? :confused:
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I... Uh...
I feel like I see grizz in a completely useless argument with someone in every other thread. I don't remember him doing that months ago, what happened? :confused:
He is not arguing. He is stating ;)