Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: 321BAR on October 28, 2010, 12:17:33 PM
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Why exactly would the M18 Hellcat make all other GVs basically useless even if it was perked? any aircraft could strafe it down, any GV could kill it one shot, why cant i get my dream car!!!!???? :cry
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I suppose we will both have to find something else to wish for.. :devil
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M18 was a tank destroyer. We dont have any tank destroyers. Adding 1 means we have to add alot more.
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perdweeb
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M18 was a tank destroyer. We dont have any tank destroyers. Adding 1 means we have to add alot more.
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perdweeb
I don't think this means there would have to be more. We only have 1 jet, and I don't see them adding a lot more.
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M18 was a tank destroyer. We dont have any tank destroyers. Adding 1 means we have to add alot more.
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perdweeb
if that means they need to add the JadgPanzerIV and/or JadgPanther then +3 :D. If it means adding the Hetzer -12
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M18 was a tank destroyer. We dont have any tank destroyers. Adding 1 means we have to add alot more.
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perdweeb
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,299191.0.html
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due to laziness i decided to copy and paste Ghosth statement and my responce from the post mentioned above into this post without change.
Quote from: Ghosth on Today at 11:42:08 AM
321 just as an FYI the M18 came up in discussion at con. Pyro's short answer, its just too good, would make all other GV's irrelevant and have a huge negative impact on gameplay even if perked.
i have no understanding on this line of logic.
yes the M18 was fast (fastest of the tank destroyers) but that was only useful on open ROADS, it was still a multi-ton (17ish) piece of metal when it was off road thus the actual speed was dictated by terrain.
it has a skin about as durable as an orange peal. 0.2 to 1.0 inches. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_Hellcat for M18 stats, yes its wikkie but i cant find anything to contradict it) this translates to meaning that a solid .50 cal burst would not only penetrate most of its hull (see http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/mg/50_ammo.html for .50 cal stats) but would easily kill the crew inside, additionally any 20mm or bigger round striking it would decimate the M18. this ease of destruction is also true for any bomb landing near it or any HE shell landing close. you would have to park 3 of these abreast to stop an AP round fired from a tiger at close range!
its an egg shell with a cannon. in the real world it served its purpose efficiently because the allies held air superiority, without it this vehicle would have been destroyed en-mass on the field. as it would be in our arena's, providing the armor is modeled correctly, and it's use of super high speed on open terrain comes with consequences (hell if a sheep could flip a 50 ton tiger at 20 mph what would it do to an M18 at 50? ). almost every plane in the game could destroy or disable it without ords of any kind.
so go ahead put it in, model it correctly and I'm gonna laugh watching the screaming on 200 and counting all the "MY UBBER M18 GOT KILLED BY A........." threads that will in no time flood this board.
:neener: :neener: :neener:
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For all it's worth +1, I may add that more then 1/3 of the gas are perked
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I don't think this means there would have to be more. We only have 1 jet, and I don't see them adding a lot more.
We have two jets.
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We have two jets.
the ME262 is a jet, the 163 is actually a rocket. there is a difference.
:D
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the ME262 is a jet, the 163 is actually a rocket. there is a difference.
:D
234 -cough-
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M18 was a tank destroyer. We dont have any tank destroyers. Adding 1 means we have to add alot more.
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perdweeb
boo :neener:
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234 -cough-
hahahaha i was restricting the conversation to fighters, but yes you got me the 234 is also a jet........bomber
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I don't think this means there would have to be more. We only have 1 jet, and I don't see them adding a lot more.
Beside Germany that had jets/rockets, who sale had them that saw significant amount of actions.
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M18 was a tank destroyer. We dont have any tank destroyers. Adding 1 means we have to add alot more.
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perdweeb
I thought the Firefly was classified as a tank destroyer.
:cheers:
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I thought the Firefly was classified as a tank destroyer.
:cheers:
You are correct Sir.
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I thought the Firefly was classified as a tank destroyer.
:cheers:
By whom? Was the Sherman also classed as a TD?
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By whom? Was the Sherman also classed as a TD?
ummmmmm................no the Sherman was classified as a Ronson! :neener: :rofl :neener:
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By whom? Was the Sherman also classed as a TD?
The firefly was classified as a TD because of the 17lb main gun and the way it was deployed in combat if irc.
ummmmmm................no the Sherman was classified as a Ronson! :neener: :rofl :neener:
That's pretty much it.
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can anyone from HTC comment on this? id like a discussion about this and why exactly it would do what pyro said...
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It could be it's just HTC's reaction to you posting 487 different wishlist threads on the M-18 too :)
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It could be it's just HTC's reaction to you posting 487 different wishlist threads on the M-18 too :)
You know the old saying, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease"
:D
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You know what else could be used as a Tank destroyer?
Me410 :noid
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By whom? Was the Sherman also classed as a TD?
No, not the "Sherman" per say, but rather the British Sherman w/ the 17lb'er cannon mounted on top (the "Firefly"). The British put 1 Firefly in with 4-5 Shermans w/ the 75mm and the Firefly's main duty was to seek out and destroy enemy armor, not engage infantry, etc. Also, the hull MG was omitted as well, even more of a reason to keep it away from enemy infantry.
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You know the old saying, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease"
:D
Nawwww, I just do away with it and get a new wheel :P
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It could be it's just HTC's reaction to you posting 487 different wishlist threads on the M-18 too :)
And hijacking countless others. :D
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It could be it's just HTC's reaction to you posting 487 different wishlist threads on the M-18 too :)
actually I slipped them a $20 to deny it just to be mean since I cant have a Foo Fighter and Bar showed no love for MY requests.. :)
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You know the old saying, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease"
:D
i thought that saying went like "the sqeaker get the squelch".......but i could be wrong :D
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Nawwww, I just do away with it and get a new wheel :P
i thought that saying went like "the sqeaker get the squelch".......but i could be wrong :D
:rofl :rofl
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due to laziness i decided to copy and paste Ghosth statement and my responce from the post mentioned above into this post without change.
Quote from: Ghosth on Today at 11:42:08 AM
321 just as an FYI the M18 came up in discussion at con. Pyro's short answer, its just too good, would make all other GV's irrelevant and have a huge negative impact on gameplay even if perked.
i have no understanding on this line of logic.
yes the M18 was fast (fastest of the tank destroyers) but that was only useful on open ROADS, it was still a multi-ton (17ish) piece of metal when it was off road thus the actual speed was dictated by terrain.
it has a skin about as durable as an orange peal. 0.2 to 1.0 inches. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18_Hellcat for M18 stats, yes its wikkie but i cant find anything to contradict it) this translates to meaning that a solid .50 cal burst would not only penetrate most of its hull (see http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/mg/50_ammo.html for .50 cal stats) but would easily kill the crew inside, additionally any 20mm or bigger round striking it would decimate the M18. this ease of destruction is also true for any bomb landing near it or any HE shell landing close. you would have to park 3 of these abreast to stop an AP round fired from a tiger at close range!
its an egg shell with a cannon. in the real world it served its purpose efficiently because the allies held air superiority, without it this vehicle would have been destroyed en-mass on the field. as it would be in our arena's, providing the armor is modeled correctly, and it's use of super high speed on open terrain comes with consequences (hell if a sheep could flip a 50 ton tiger at 20 mph what would it do to an M18 at 50? ). almost every plane in the game could destroy or disable it without ords of any kind.
so go ahead put it in, model it correctly and I'm gonna laugh watching the screaming on 200 and counting all the "MY UBBER M18 GOT KILLED BY A........." threads that will in no time flood this board.
:neener: :neener: :neener:
while I really want the M-18,,, the fact that I have bounced many a round off of m-3's m-8's and countless other gv's with as little or less armor, would seem to add to pyro's assessment that the M-18 would just be too good!
I still think it would be awesome,I don't care that it would screw up the GV balance,,, the 262 screws up the plane balance in the same way,, yet the perks it cost to fly fixes that problem! IMHO.
I would like to have the Yak -3 yet it did not even make the new plane poll,,, I was pretty sure it was in the top 3 last time we had one! What gives?
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:rofl :rofl :rofl m18 has the worst armor but the best gun and therefore a m3 could kill it :rofl :rofl :rofl
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:rofl :rofl :rofl m18 has the worst armor but the best gun and therefore a m3 could kill it :rofl :rofl :rofl
Same gun as the M4A3(76).
wrongway
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:cry :( :cry :(
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oh there gose BAR again lol...srry not been on guys (this computer sucks!!!!!!!!) :cry
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Same gun as the M4A3(76).
wrongway
have you seen what they can do? :noid
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Bar I want this thing too :banana:
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Well, I'll give the M18 a +1 :banana:
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Wait. So you are telling me that an armored tank in the game already has the same gun as the M-18 would, but the M-18 is a (basically) unarmored variant and it's "too good" to be added?
I'm convinced that HiTech uses the same manatee's to make addition selections as South Park says Family Guy uses to make shows...
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e325/AvianChicken/manatee.jpg)
P.S. I was going to post a picture from the show... But google came up with this one first and I fell in love.
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