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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Easyscor on November 01, 2010, 04:00:23 PM
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That's it, the others fell by the way. Anyone surprised?
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Not much of a choice is it.
I voted for the Beau. I really thought the betty and 111 had great chances as they are really needed.
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410 for me. We don't need another american bomber.
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ME 410 will be my vote, i agree with Spikes...I'd like to see some new planes aside from American. However, it is nice to see that the B-29 is finally on the voting board.. :noid :rock
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I dont care......I wanted a KI :D
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I dont care......I wanted a KI :D
:aok
+1
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all bad choises really, at this point i don't care
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Anyone surprised?
Not really. It was a no-brainer from the beginning that B-29 wins the vote. I guess one could be suprised that Beaufighter isn't in the top 4 but then again Me410 and especially the He-111 are probably more famillar to a larger audience.
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all of those don't care guys vote B29!
Might aswell get it off the wishlist ehh :D
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all of those don't care guys vote B29!
Might aswell get it off the wishlist ehh :D
That's definitely another way of looking at it...but then the whines of "the B29 is too good" will be in effect. :(
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That's definitely another way of looking at it...but then the whines of "the B29 is too good" will be in effect. :(
I don't know hopefully it is perked hard so all of the other bombers see more usage because people are trying really hards to save up some more bomber perkies. I foresee endless C47'S hungry for captures and more bomber runs, increase 262 profit, Fighters win, bombers win. Everyones a winnah!
B29 will be like the claw everyone wanting to kill it and only the perk rich will bring iron rain from 40k and Kill fighter hangars :t.
Also interested in how HTC will model these turrets.
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REVOLUTION! if it ends up another allied plane. 410/111 all the way.
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all of those don't care guys vote B29!
Might aswell get it off the wishlist ehh :D
heh, not a bad idea.
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+1 (Spikes avatar is simply THE greatest full-motion avatar ever developed)
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I don't know hopefully it is perked hard so all of the other bombers see more usage because people are trying really hards to save up some more bomber perkies. I foresee endless C47'S hungry for captures and more bomber runs,
I would just roll my trusty B5N and hunt some GVs to get the necessary bomber perks as quickly as possible :)
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I voted Me-410, we don't need anymore allied AC. I would have voted for a Ki if it was still there.
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I would just roll my trusty B5N and hunt some GVs to get the necessary bomber perks as quickly as possible :)
if the b5n sees more action then we have achieved something :uhoh
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That's definitely another way of looking at it...but then the whines of "the B29 is too good" will be in effect. :(
I reject your reality and insert my own.......................... .well, actually your reality is spot on . :lol
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I voted for the A26, but if it gets eliminated I will vote Me410
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(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy134/Kassill1/04310_A-26_Invader.jpg)
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had to vote VADER,the thoughts of a Havoc on stariods is just to much to pass :devil
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Since I can't have a Boomerang, you guys can't have your crappy He-111.
B-29 all the way. :aok
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What ever wins. I will still win! G4M is all I need!
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410 for me. We don't need another american bomber.
what not looking forward to bombing a spawn point from 40k?
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My vote goes to the A-26. That's the only one that I think I'd actually use consistently. I'm selfish like that. :D
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bombers are bombers and fighters are fighters...something NEW for the game would be the PBY! or transport gliders! or SUBS!
999000
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REVOLUTION! if it ends up another allied plane. 410/111 all the way.
Get the guns ready cuz is goin to end like that
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Wanted the Ki-43 but oh well. Went with the He111 in this round.
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hopefully the 111 doesn't make the cut
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I will vote for the Me410 again this round. Next round, after the He111 and Me410 have been eliminated, I will vote for the B-29A.
It is a more significant WWII aircraft than the A-26.
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Is there anyway HT can model the B-29 with a climb rate of 4k/minute with a full tank and load-out??????
DWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBBBBBBBBBBB
:airplane: :joystick: :lol :rofl :x
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I will vote for the Me410 again this round. Next round, after the He111 and Me410 have been eliminated, I will vote for the B-29A.
It is a more significant WWII aircraft than the A-26.
After this round isnt it just to see which gets built first?
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After this round isnt it just to see which gets built first?
Nope. That was true of the B-25 and P-39 only because of how extremely close the vote was, less than .5% difference.
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Special events and AvA are the ones hurting the most from lack of planes, especially Japanese and Russian.
I know MA will always get the most grease but the Ki43 would have helped us a lot more than another Uber US plane will help the MA.
At least we get the Betty.
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There will be other machines added. We are entering a cycle of new rides. Probably will be followed by an ad compaign to replace the weak sisters.
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There will be other machines added. We are entering a cycle of new rides. Probably will be followed by an ad compaign to replace the weak sisters.
I haven't seen an AH commercial in a long time.
Did they quit runningthem or am I just watching the wrong channels?
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i would have liked to have seen the beaufighter in AH now its 111/410 all the way
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i would have liked to have seen the beaufighter in AH now its 111/410 all the way
A-26 is just a better 410.
/troll ;)
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A-26 is just a better 410.
/troll ;)
To bad the 410 is sexier.
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To bad the 410 is sexier.
The 410 is so ugly it's sexy.
Like Angelina Jolie
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To bad the 410 is sexier.
You're forgetting that lovely boxy shape of the A-26.
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The A26 really fills out her fuselage with her nice curves and very large nacelles.
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A-26 is just a better 410.
/troll ;)
To bad the 410 is sexier.
Both are great looking AC.....that reminds me that my brother is going to take me up in a A-26.
The A26 really fills out her fuselage with her nice curves and very large nacelles.
Kind of like a women body?
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Both are great looking AC.....that reminds me that my brother is going to take me up in a A-26.
Kind of like a women body?
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2547/3733154185_f1d98c7c5e_o.jpg)
Like so?
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Both are great looking AC.....that reminds me that my brother is going to take me up in a A-26.
Pics or it won't happen.
J/k, you lucky bastage :aok :aok
But seriously, pics are required.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2547/3733154185_f1d98c7c5e_o.jpg)
Like so?
YES!!!!!
edit: http://spaceflightnow.com/delta/d350/status.html (http://spaceflightnow.com/delta/d350/status.html) the A-26 is sexier than that rocket.
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A-26 is just a better 410.
/troll ;)
Probably true, but as said we have way too many allied aircraft. and we have the b-26...I know, different animal, but still. :old:
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I voted Me-410 because the P38 needs another twin engine plane to shoot down! :devil
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I voted Me-410 because the P38 needs another twin engine plane to shoot down! :devil
I take this as a sign to mean that the A-26 is better than the Me-410 :D
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all bad choises really, at this point i don't care
Much as I loved the 26 in AW.
I'd have to agree with you.
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If some people don't get their B-29 they will be just like this.
(http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/7/4/65b2062e-1a86-4b97-9b29-de05207ebe75.jpg)
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If some people don't get their B-29 they will be just like this.
(http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/7/4/65b2062e-1a86-4b97-9b29-de05207ebe75.jpg)
(http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/omlettemog/DogSprinkler.jpg)
They'll probably look something like that if they do get it tho.
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(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee233/GreyWulf1/Game%20Gallery%20-%20Over%2040%20Subfolders/Il-2%20Sturmovik%20Series%20-%20Old%20Images/II-ZG26-Hildesheim44-MesserschmittM.jpg)
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I think it would be a Me-410 vs B-29 kinda thing....
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Here is a question. What AC was in every part of the world during WWII that AH dose not have?
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Here is a question. What AC was in every part of the world during WWII that AH dose not have?
Beaufighter.
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aren't our runways a little too short for the 29?
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RATOs Cap...RATOs.
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Here is a question. What AC was in every part of the world during WWII that AH dose not have?
Lets add which plane does the most stuff that might impact on the MA drivers too :) Not that it's still in the running. 1940-45 in every theater except the Eastern Front.
But! Torbeau ETO, MTO,
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BeaufighterMustang150dpi.jpg)
FlakBeau ETO, MTO, PTO, CBI
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/TFX.jpg)
RockBeau ETO, MTO, PTO, CBI
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/RockBeau.jpg)
And of course your run of the mil Beaufighter with 4 20mm and 6 303s. These from the CBI. This version operated ETO, MTO, PTO, CBI The above three lost the 303s when they carried torps, bombs or rockets, but kept the 4 20mm with 250 rounds a piece.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/CBIBeaus.jpg)
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First picture is dead sexy! :O
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Beaufighter.
Lets add which plane does the most stuff that might impact on the MA drivers too :) Not that it's still in the running. 1940-45 in every theater except the Eastern Front.
But! Torbeau ETO, MTO,
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/BeaufighterMustang150dpi.jpg)
FlakBeau ETO, MTO, PTO, CBI
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/TFX.jpg)
RockBeau ETO, MTO, PTO, CBI
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/RockBeau.jpg)
And of course your run of the mil Beaufighter with 4 20mm and 6 303s. These from the CBI. This version operated ETO, MTO, PTO, CBI The above three lost the 303s when they carried torps, bombs or rockets, but kept the 4 20mm with 250 rounds a piece.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/CBIBeaus.jpg)
Yep, i thought it might be the beau. Thx
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Since I can't get on to play & then of course vote. Could some one tell me the list of planes that initially came up for voting please.
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Not much of a choice is it.
I voted for the Beau. I really thought the betty and 111 had great chances as they are really needed.
Dude, where ya been, Betty is in regardless of the voting. Don't think Waffle is going to let all his hard work slip away.
Sorry but don't think we need anymore American bombers. B29 is getting votes cuz everyone is hoping for a nuke to wipe out a base or strats. The A26 and the A20 are basically the same type of role aircraft, and according to pilots in the Pacific theater, the views from the A26 sucked so it was lousy at low level attacks. Look to maybe a heavier gun package on the A-20 instead...
Same issue with the Me410. Yes, some variants had some big guns (such as the U4 with the 50mm BK-5 cannon with 21 rounds), but they were simply for hunting bombers and were not successful. From my research, it seems most units had Bf110 and Me410, since they were pretty close to roles and capabilities.
My vote is for the He 111, perferably a later model H variant, simply due to the role it played early in WW2 as it was used in all of the early German invasions and Battle of Britain. :salute
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Me 410 all the way
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From my research, it seems most units had Bf110 and Me410, since they were pretty close to roles and capabilities.
The Me 410 was just a redevelopment of the Bf 110, thus the designation (similar to how you had the Bf 109, Me 209, Me 309 etc, the Bf 110 went through the Me 210 and 410)
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The Me 410 was just a redevelopment of the Bf 110, thus the designation (similar to how you had the Bf 109, Me 209, Me 309 etc, the Bf 110 went through the Me 210 and 410)
The Me 209 an 309 were completely new planes.
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The Me 209 an 309 were completely new planes.
As was the 210?
They were still single engined fighters built on the same basic design philosophy, intended to replace the 109 is what I was going for.
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210 was underpowered, they put different engines and made a couple of minor changes and got the 410
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As was the 210?
The 210 shared parts with the 110, particularly in the fuselage (the wing was all new)
On the 209, I have to correct myself. the first, basic 209 was entirely different from the 109. I forgot about the later Me 209 II - that one was idneed based on the 109.
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Since I can't get on to play & then of course vote. Could some one tell me the list of planes that initially came up for voting please.
Me-410
He-111
Pe-2
Beaufighter
A-26
B-29
Ki-43
Ki-45
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Since I can't get on to play & then of course vote. Could some one tell me the list of planes that initially came up for voting please.
Any one?
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Any one?
two posts up
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Doh :rolleyes: Thank you. 8 choices huh :headscratch: Well I am going to stick my neck out I think we are going to get ?? Maybe all of these this time & all the voting is for will be to decide what order we get them in. Flame on., :bolt:
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That was the initial round, there's only 4 now, Me 410, He 111, A26, and B29.
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Doh :rolleyes: Thank you. 8 choices huh :headscratch: Well I am going to stick my neck out I think we are going to get ?? Maybe all of these this time & all the voting is for will be to decide what order we get them in. Flame on., :bolt:
Jeez, you are really off your game today. lol Go back to bed :confused: :salute
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That was the initial round, there's only 4 now, Me 410, He 111, A26, and B29.
Yes I know what the last choices are now :aok as I have got on a PC at work. Since my Computer took a dump last week I just didn't know what we started with.
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Jeez, you are really off your game today. lol Go back to bed :confused: :salute
My boss would agree with you at present. :D How ever I still think we might get all of the 8 picks this time around.
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My fellow players. Lay down your swords, HTC might have tricked us and we all got worked up for nothing.. May have, may have not. So we shall wait... And vote in silence.
(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6400000/Unicorn-and-Pegasus-Wallpaper-unicorns-6414665-1024-768.jpg)
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That's definitely another way of looking at it...but then the whines of "the B29 is too good" will be in effect. :(
Not to mention it will be 200 perks per plane (just random guess) but i wouldn't doubt it'd be a perked bird no less an over priced one... :noid
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My fellow players. Lay down your swords, HTC might have tricked us and we all got worked up for nothing.. May have, may have not. So we shall wait... And vote in silence.
(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/6400000/Unicorn-and-Pegasus-Wallpaper-unicorns-6414665-1024-768.jpg)
(http://www.mileanhour.com/files/2010/4/unicornmeat.jpg)
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(http://f00.inventorspot.com/images/1559606_340_1116081430036-spam.jpg)
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(http://f00.inventorspot.com/images/1559606_340_1116081430036-spam.jpg)
(http://www.sdnn.com/files/2010/07/CANDWICH-CANNED-SANDWICH.jpg)
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I wonder if Me 410 is luftwaffe's Mosquito 6 in terms of firepower and speed...
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I wonder if Me 410 is luftwaffe's Mosquito 6 in terms of firepower and speed...
No. It'll be faster than a Bf110, but slower than a Mossie Mk6. What makes the M410 unique is it's gun loadout options. Will basically be used as a dive bomber and bomber destroyer. As for dogfighting, it's options will be limited due to mediocre performance in comparison to MW and LW planes. The Me410 was essentially Germany's attempt to replace the slower, less agile, Bf110.
A Mossie Mk6 will eat the Me410 for breakfast, lunch, and dinner any day of the week.
*The reason why I voted for the Me410 is because the P38 needs more axis twin engine birds to shoot down.* :devil
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A Mossie Mk6 will eat the Me410 for breakfast, lunch, and dinner any day of the week.
We will see about that! :furious
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Will basically be used as a dive bomber and bomber destroyer. As for dogfighting, it's options will be limited due to mediocre performance in comparison to MW and LW planes. The Me410 was essentially Germany's attempt to replace the slower, less agile, Bf110.
Like the Bf 110, it also had to be escorted by Bf 109s and FW 190s.
ack-ack
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We will see about that! :furious
No, the Mossie FB.VI really will dominate the Me410. The Mossie is 20-30mph faster on the deck and has much lower wing loading.
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I have a feeling that the B-29 will win.
I voted Beau. But hey, everyone will find a reason to vote against the most used Strike Fighter in the RAAF :mad:
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"No, the Mossie FB.VI really will dominate the Me410."
Is that a feeling or fact? While being quite close to perfomance the Me410 also has leading edge slats so despite its higher wingloading it can exceed the AoA limits the Mossie has so I'd expect these planes to be quite close in turning perfomance although the Mossie might actually be a bit worse. The Mossie VI is also optimized to lower altitudes at it is a fighter bomber so the Me410 is faster at its optimal altitude which is at 19k.
From AH Wiki on Mossie VI: While not a tank killer, the HE warheads of the 20mm Hispanos have been known to play havoc with the track or engine of a tank, or even disable their main gun." Well, can't beat that BS...:lol
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No, the Mossie FB.VI really will dominate the Me410. The Mossie is 20-30mph faster on the deck and has much lower wing loading.
Karnak, what are the exact data numbers you used for your calculation?
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I wonder if the 410 would be the better fighter above 15k though? It was designed for higher alt work, unlike the FB VI.
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the 410 will be a powerful dud. Cool to look at and easy to kill.
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I ended up voting for the 410 in the 4 plane poll. I'll admit, I really do not have a "I gotta have this plane" feeling about any of them.
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Somebody pulled out a lot of specs and compared them side by side... top speed, power loading, weight loading, wing area, horsepower, the plane stacks up very well against a P-38. The P-38 surely is no spitfire, but it's also not totally dogmeat.
A 410 (if modeled in-game) would be an interesting addition. No, not an uber plane, but stilll... very interesting multi-cannon setups (2x20mm, 4x20mm, 6x20mm, 8x20mm, 2x20mm+2x30mm, more). It wouldn't be very useful in scenarios, or FSOs, but it would be a great all-round MA plane.
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"No, the Mossie FB.VI really will dominate the Me410."
Is that a feeling or fact? While being quite close to perfomance the Me410 also has leading edge slats so despite its higher wingloading it can exceed the AoA limits the Mossie has so I'd expect these planes to be quite close in turning perfomance although the Mossie might actually be a bit worse. The Mossie VI is also optimized to lower altitudes at it is a fighter bomber so the Me410 is faster at its optimal altitude which is at 19k.
From AH Wiki on Mossie VI: While not a tank killer, the HE warheads of the 20mm Hispanos have been known to play havoc with the track or engine of a tank, or even disable their main gun." Well, can't beat that BS...:lol
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Just a basic check on wingloading and speeds. The Me410 is slightly faster at 19k than the Mosquito VI is at 13km but almost all fighting in AH is below 10k. The Mosquito VI has something like 10lbs/sq.ft lower wing loading. On the deck the Me410 was slower than the Spitfire LF.Mk IX, which makes it 20-30mph slower than the Mosquito Mk VI with ejector stacks.
Also, slats don't have that much of an effect. The Mosquito's planned slats were omitted due to better than expected maneuverability.
As to that quote, it was true of all Hispano armed aircraft in AH when that article was written. I would never advise anybody to strafe a tank with a Mossie in AH right now.
Mind you, I did vote for the Me410 both times so far.
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As to that quote, it was true of all Hispano armed aircraft in AH when that article was written.
Lotta folks don't realize how far AH has come since AH1 days. That article is probably an antique from Soda's tactics page. I'd rather the AH wiki have no info than incorrect info, but they wanted to fill it in. Oh well.
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hello
most of my squad and i have voteted for the 410, we waiting a long time for it and we hope it will come
the he111 would be nice to but only with v1 perkpoint option to do somthing spezial with it.
b29 ok, but do we have any fighter to intercept it? only a permanently high alt ta152 patrol could handel it, or?!
cu chris3
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B-29, thats the trouble with it from an SEA POV...we can do a 1945 Japan setup, but unless there is a strict alt restriction the thing is a monster vs the Japanese. The Ki-84 is the best IJ fighter AH will ever see and it would have a very hard time against a formation of B-29s. They are something like 60 mph faster than a B-17G <eek> and tHAZ wITH nO NUKZ!!! ;)
For the MA well anybody can roll a high alt speed demon so its not nearly as much of an issue.
Me 410 in SEA, ya, they can be included in late 43-mid 44 ETO setups, which are a popular time period so I can see it being used fairly often there. They would see a lot more SEA action than a B-29.
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2000 perk points nukes .... mmmmmm
The B29 can not fly in formation @ max speed.
So should the other planes in formation behave too btw,
I voted for He111 since BOB is pretty much another fight without it, replacing it with Ju88's
In a competing game , both He111 and Do17 are available (and KI43, J2m2 J2m3 KI44 P38f 4*20mm KI84 FW190a4 :) )
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I dont care......I wanted a KI :D
+1 but just voted for Me-410 since Japanese planes didn't get into this round.
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Wouldn't it just be nice for them to add ALL FOUR aircraft to Aces High?
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Nice idea Fork
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:pray
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I just would like, regardless of plane/ model, that it would be in a chronological historical order.
Other than that, I'm ok with whatever is added.
<S> Oz
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me410 would be a nice addition especially for the scenarios. I believe it was involved in many night time bomber raid interceptions. Could you imagine, all the lead flying all over the place, from both the me410s and all the guns on the b17s... whoooaaaa :rock
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me410 would be a nice addition especially for the scenarios. I believe it was involved in many night time bomber raid interceptions. Could you imagine, all the lead flying all over the place, from both the me410s and all the guns on the b17s... whoooaaaa :rock
If it was night time bombers, it would have been Lancasters and other RAF heavy bombers not B-17s and there wouldn't be lead firing all over the place as RAF bomber gun crews were told to hold fire until absolutely necessary to avoid giving away their positions. That's why maneuvering like using the Corkscrew evasive tactic was the primary defense for the night bombers.
ack-ack
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If it was night time bombers, it would have been Lancasters and other RAF heavy bombers not B-17s and there wouldn't be lead firing all over the place as RAF bomber gun crews were told to hold fire until absolutely necessary to avoid giving away their positions. That's why maneuvering like using the Corkscrew evasive tactic was the primary defense for the night bombers.
ack-ack
Ahh did not know that...
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First picture is dead sexy! :O
Was that a torpedo or was he just glad to see us? :old:
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Saw a link to this website in the O-Club, #70 and 77 make me want the B-29 :D
http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2010/03/18/captured-blog-the-pacific-and-adjacent-theaters/1547/?source=ARK_plog (http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2010/03/18/captured-blog-the-pacific-and-adjacent-theaters/1547/?source=ARK_plog)