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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: redman555 on November 03, 2010, 10:02:05 PM
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So I am thinking about getting a .270 rifle for range shooting, preferably 300yards+. I was just curious if anyone has or has used a Savage Arms rifle and could tell me if the brand is good?
-BigBOBCH
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i had a single shot shotgun, had firing pin issues from time to time, i know there lower end guns compared to winchester, remington ect., check on prices of all the brands, 270's are a reasonably priced rifles
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i had a single shot shotgun, had firing pin issues from time to time, i know there lower end guns compared to winchester, remington ect., check on prices of all the brands, 270's are a reasonably priced rifles
I wanted to get a 30-06, but rifle ammunition is kinda pricey lol.
-BigBOBCH
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Savage makes the best bolt action rifles, imo. They are great, as is the .270 round. .308 is a bit cheaper though I believe.
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My friend bought a Savage Arms .223 rifle. It was okay, he had some troubles with the accessories (a swivel stud got pulled out with the bi-pod) but I don't know if that was the rifle or his handling of it.
I'd say overall, just for a range gun, it will do fine. I cannot speak for accuracy of them at all though. As long as you don't expect it to be a gun that can be passed down through generations, it should be good enough.
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I wanted to get a 30-06, but rifle ammunition is kinda pricey lol.
-BigBOBCH
i shoot a Husqavarna 30.06 Nitro Express, i pay any where from 14.00 to 24.00 a box depending on manufacture, grain, bullet catagory, ect. check this link out i use it all the time to keep up on prices, you can cross reference caliber prices on ammo and where to buy them
http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo/.30-06_Springfield (http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo/.30-06_Springfield)
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Savage makes good fire arms from what I hear. I always heard nothing but good things from people at the range in these parts. I personally prefer my enfield a2 that is chambered for .308 . Yes they made this rifle in .308!!!!!! It was made in india at the ishapore arsenal in the mid 60s. The darn thing is still as accurate as the day it was made. I picked it up at cabelas for $200 after tax earlier this year. I tell ya I absolutely love this rifle.
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See, the funny thing is I have noticed some of the scopes are the same or more then the gun lol.
I am used to shotguns, so never had to worry about bipod, scopes, expensive rounds, and so forth.
-BigBOBCH
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ive got a savage stevens model 200 chambered in .270w with synthetic stock. i like the gun alot and have had it for 6 years, and have had nothing go wrong with it. imo, it likes a 130-grain boattail more than anything else for whitetail, but its all in what your shooting.
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Have/had a couple of Savage's. They're nice, my latest addition is a Howa 1500, guaranteed MoA out of the box. It's a nice rifle. If it's for long range don't go the Steven's (they're nice but cheapies), look at the accustocked models.
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I shoot a weatherby 30/06, and I can get some decent ammo for $12 a box at cabelas
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I shoot a weatherby 30/06, and I can get some decent ammo for $12 a box at cabelas
I dont think there even is a Cabelas in my area, just sportsman warehouse, and 30-06 are like 20 a box there.
*I checked on store locator, the nearest one is in Nevada lol, where my grandfather lives. Dont think you can ship ammunition can you?
-BigBOBCH
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Savage makes some nice bolt action rifles, and several are very accurate.
If you are target shooting, 308 is a far better round. But over 200 yards I much prefer a 300 Winchester Magnum.
If you are hunting, 30-06 or 308 are both better at 300 yards.
The 270 is a fine cartridge, I own a nice Winchester Model 70 chambered in 270. It is fine for deer sized game at 300 yards, provided you are a really good shot. It just does not have the extra margin in power that the 308 and 30-06 have.
There's not enough difference in the cost of ammunition to justify getting the 270 over either of the others. I have one because I like it, and it is enough for shorter ranges on deer. If you're shooting enough to worry about ammunition costs, and you care that much about accuracy, get a good single stage reloading kit such as an RCBS RockChucker Supreme. Almost every serious shooter I know loads his own.
Around here Walmart has good Federal blue box for around $13 or so a box for 270, 308, 30-06, and several other common non magnum chamberings. Never seen it higher than $18 a box, and they have a 6 box limit.
To find guns at reasonable prices, go to Davidson's Gallery of Guns, and use the Gun Genie.
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Americans.
Defending their country and property with ludicrous amounts of overpowered uneccessary firearms since 1776.
:rofl :aok
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Americans.
Defending their country and property with ludicrous amounts of overpowered uneccessary firearms since 1776.
:rofl :aok
Yes...is there a problem?
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i shoot a Husqavarna 30.06 Nitro Express, i pay any where from 14.00 to 24.00 a box depending on manufacture, grain, bullet catagory, ect. check this link out i use it all the time to keep up on prices, you can cross reference caliber prices on ammo and where to buy them
http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo/.30-06_Springfield (http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo/.30-06_Springfield)
Holy cow, i thought i was the only one that even owned a Husqavarna rifle!! Mine is in .308. I love that thing, had a custom trigger put in ( jaeger ) and had it glass bed-ed, Thing is a tack driver for sure.
As far as Savage Rifles, I have a Mod 99F that i love ( also in .308 ) Cant go wrong with them.
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Americans.
Defending their country and property with ludicrous amounts of overpowered uneccessary firearms since 1776.
:rofl :aok
Better than defending your country and property with sticks and stones... :cheers:
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Better than defending your country and property with sticks and stones... :cheers:
Plus, guns make such a satisfying "bang" sound
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*I checked on store locator, the nearest one is in Nevada lol, where my grandfather lives. Dont think you can ship ammunition can you?
Yes you can. It will be shipped ORM-D via UPS ground. I order cases of ammunition at a time from various sources when the price and shipping costs can be minimized through various promotions, etc.
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To the OP.
I currently use a Savage Arms 30-06 and this thing is fun. Has held up really well so far and hopefully I can bag a buck with it this year. :aok
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Savage has a deserved reputation for accuracy. In getting a new rifle make sure you get their light trigger (resembles a glock style design externally) and not the bargain basement Edge model rifle. Not that much a fan of the 270as I like the 30-06 and especially the 308 for long range. The 270 may have a slight edge in less recoil because of the lighter slug. I prefer the efficiency of mid length cartridges as well.
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Better than defending your country and property with sticks and stones... :cheers:
Australia is a former prison colony, I'm sure they've got shanks and the like. :D
ack-ack
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Not that long ago didn't Australians have the right to own firearms?
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Savage has a deserved reputation for accuracy. In getting a new rifle make sure you get their light trigger (resembles a glock style design externally) and not the bargain basement Edge model rifle. Not that much a fan of the 270as I like the 30-06 and especially the 308 for long range. The 270 may have a slight edge in less recoil because of the lighter slug. I prefer the efficiency of mid length cartridges as well.
I buy 308's for my kids. I started with a 243, but I didn't like the results on deer, the 308 provides plenty of knock down and isn't terrible on recoil. My 10 yr old was shooting them last week. He forgot to make sure the butt was in the arm socket and he the scope kissed him. He shook it off and kept firing.
I have a pair of Savages -- one wood stock F/11?? and another synthetic. I much prefer the wood stock. The synthetic has a detachable clip, but Savage apparently didn't make replacements. I'm still searching for a second clip for it and I can't find it.
I personally prefer the Rem 700 for it's safety location / visibility. The 3 stage safety on the Savage is not to my liking, but the kids have been able to adjust to it. (you have to put it on "half-safe" to open the bolt, too easy to put it on full fire. The other issue with the safety is that it isn't as easy to operate with gloves on (like Minnesota deer hunting weather).
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Americans.
Defending their country and property with ludicrous amounts of overpowered uneccessary firearms since 1776.
:rofl :aok
it worked against the redcoats, didnt it? ;)
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I have a BAR 270 with a boss system on the end of it that I use now and I would not change it for anything . It's going to work when you need it , very reliable . Not saying there is anything wrong with a Savage just saying . I like my Remington 243 as well but if it gets dirty it's going to jam .
EDIT: Oh , and with the Boss system you can dial your ammo in to what grain you will be using .
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Plus, guns make such a satisfying "bang" sound
Yeah, just like naplean rockets :rofl
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Savage makes fine rifles. Let no one sway you from buying one.
For "long range" targets, regardless if your speaking of paper or game animals, almost any of the larger calibers will do nicely. Start with the .243 Win, or 7mm-08, or .308 Win. Those are all fine short action calibers. If you want more flexibility in terms of the range of bullets weight available (think a wide variety of game, i.e. antelop to moose) , then a long action caliber may be a better choice. The most common are the .270 or .30-06. Both are top notch performers and are able to really reach out.
You can make your choice as complicated or as simple as you want. I suggest you buy a Savage rifle in .30-06, and find some ammo with a 150gr soft point (or other such performance bullet) and head to the range and **LEARN** your rifle. After a few dozen rounds and after a number of shots on targets at ranges from 100 to 400 yards, THEN get serious about what you want to do. :)
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The 270 is a fine cartridge, I own a nice Winchester Model 70 chambered in 270. It is fine for deer sized game at 300 yards, provided you are a really good shot. It just does not have the extra margin in power that the 308 and 30-06 have.
You must be a really bad shot? 243 is fine out to 400-500 yards - let alone a 270... 2 weekends ago I was out with a guy who took down two deer with one shot from a .243 at 360 yards (both through the neck). And another guy bowled one at 400 yards with his 243, we were all using 80gr-100gr (my longest shot was 280 yards, through the heart, but I wasn't presented with any longer range opportunities).
We had other guys in the area using 7mm's (280, 7mm Practical, and 7mm SUM) out as far as 760 yards.
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Holy cow, i thought i was the only one that even owned a Husqavarna rifle!! Mine is in .308. I love that thing, had a custom trigger put in ( jaeger ) and had it glass bed-ed, Thing is a tack driver for sure.
As far as Savage Rifles, I have a Mod 99F that i love ( also in .308 ) Cant go wrong with them.
mines the 1952 Husky mbailey my dad bought it new when he was overseas then shipped it home, Ive had it now for about 20 years, i shoot real hot loads sense its real open country where i hunt in Oregon, and I'm not kidding it blows fire 4ft out the barrel, kicks worse than a 300 weatherby mag but i love the gun, it's considered 95% factory shape i have babied this gun sense it means alot to me, same original Leupold 3x12 scope, which i sent back 2 years ago and they rebuilt it and sent it back ( no charge from leupold they also installed a the MiliDot crosshairs with the rebuild because they didnt make the original crosshairs anymore)
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I am the same way, personally i dont like the .243 for deer. I prefer a heavier bullet with much more energy transfer into the animal.
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mines the 1952 Husky mbailey my dad bought it new when he was overseas then shipped it home, Ive had it now for about 20 years, i shoot real hot loads sense its real open country where i hunt in Oregon, and I'm not kidding it blows fire 4ft out the barrel, kicks worse than a 300 weatherby mag but i love the gun, it's considered 95% factory shape i have babied this gun sense it means alot to me, same original Leupold 3x12 scope, which i sent back 2 years ago and they rebuilt it and sent it back ( no charge from leupold they also installed a the MiliDot crosshairs with the rebuild because they didnt make the original crosshairs anymore)
Well ill be darned, :aok Mine is also circa mid 50s. It was my dads and when he passed away 3yrs ago it came to me.
Ive worked at a gunshop/indoor range for years, and everytime i tell someone that one of my favorite rifles is my Husky, I get the " you mean like the chainsaw?" comment. ( i wish they had a "smack" emoticon to insert here )
I know what you mean by the kick, mine has a nice sharp crack to the shoulder if im shooting my 220gr Barnes reloads.
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Oh , I forgot about the leupold ... That's a must have ..
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Oh , I forgot about the leupold ... That's a must have ..
they repair ALL there scopes free of charge, they told me they havent seen a scope like mine in over 50 years lol
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Oh , I forgot about the leupold ... That's a must have ..
Meh gimme a Nikon....
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You must be a really bad shot?
You must really have no idea what you're talking about.
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Americans.
Defending their country and property with ludicrous amounts of overpowered uneccessary firearms since 1776.
:rofl :aok
That's right, just don't druel on our guns while you're at it.
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And don't forget to have a custom belt made like I did when you get your rifle . Notice the compass holder on it , giving away my age now , lol . That belt came in really handy through the year's ..[Reminder]need ammo :D
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/LittleGeorgeJr/ebaypicsforsale012.jpg)
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You must really have no idea what you're talking about.
Well I must be a really good shot then ;)
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Lol, I make a joke which is followed by a thumbs up which means I approve of it.
And I am being attacked for it, :rofl
I will try not to drool on them, but they are soo pretty!
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What are you hunting? If your hunting w/ it
Kam
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Lol, I make a joke which is followed by a thumbs up which means I approve of it.
And I am being attacked for it, :rofl
I will try not to drool on them, but they are soo pretty!
:rofl I knew you were because you were talking about becoming a U.S. citizen so you could buy your own 'overpowered excessive firearms' in another thread.
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The .270 is a great cartridge! Buy one, and you'll love it!
Not that long ago it was considered more than adequate for anything that walked in North America. Then other cartridges became popular, and now it's deemed by some to be too weak for long shots, or for large game.
In reality, all you need to do is poke a little hole in an animal in the right place, and it's gonna die quite quickly. Accuracy kills animals. Power is secondary. To be fair, power can make up for a slight deficiency in accuracy (and maybe let you try again). Then again, accuracy can make up for a large deficiency in power...
I've owned and shot loads of rifles and lots of calibers, and the .270 is my hands-down favorite (although the 22-250 is a close second)! It's an easily available, affordable cartridge, with gobs of possibilities when it comes to reloading (just like the 30-06).
The difference between a .270 and a .30-06 is marginal at most ranges. The .270 goes a bit quicker, and flies a bit flatter, which helps if you're not spot-on with range estimation. The 30-06 hits a bit harder, but not enough to really matter, at least on anything near realistic ranges. In the end, it all comes down to that accurately placed little hole... Side-by-side, it comes down to personal preference, the difference is not enough to really matter for the vast majority of shots. Actually, I can't think of a single instance where it would matter. But, maybe...
I shoot my rifles out to 550 yards on the range (actually, behind the house). Although I've moved past that point in my life, I've reached way out and made clean kills on mule deer, whitetail, and antelope at ranges I'd never dream of shooting anymore. I made a clean, quick, one-shot (low-lung and top of heart) shot on a mule deer buck at over 600yds, and antelope at over 450 yards with the .270. Whitetails at 300-350yds are no problem at all. Personally, if I was going to hunt bear, elk, or buffalo with a center-fire, I'd do it with the .270 but I'd get inside 200 yards and wait for a good, clean, broadside or quartering-away shot. I wouldn't necessarily use the same BULLET for those animals, but I'd use the same rifle... The .270 doesn't lack for power in reality. On paper, it has less power than the magnums, which might matter if you hunt elephants or similarly-sized critters. I'd argue instead that the Magnums are ridiculous for most North American animals. But some guys like 'em, so let 'em have 'em. To each his own. Animals shot with a xxxMag aren't any deader than they are with a .270.
Again, I wouldn't make those long shots anymore, mainly because I don't find I'm interested in the long-range facets of hunting anymore. I prefer the (different) challenge of close-range hunting with flintlocks rifles and longbows. I'm also more experienced, and more concerned with the things that can go wrong on those long shots. There's plenty of time for a standing, stationary animal to simply take a step after you've pulled the trigger, turning a great shot into a horrible mess. Or a gust of wind, or almost anything else... There was a time though, when I thought getting something, anything at all was the most important facet. I also thought long shots were fun, rewarding, and challenging. They are, but paper (or steel) works fine for that. Now, I use the flintlock to hunt, and the .270 to grocery shop.
If you're looking for accuracy, I'd go for a bolt action, and I wouldn't be put off by a Savage (my bro-in-law owns several, and likes them). I like Winchester and Remington, but the deciding factor is going to be YOU, not the rifle. Matching the bullet to the rifle is important, and a good scope is a must. If money is a factor, spend less on the rifle, spend more on the scope. Realistically, you won't be as accurate as the rifle is, unless you're a well-practiced marksman. Even then, a good shot can make almost any rifle look good, where a great rifle in poor hands will appear to shoot terrible.
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The average shooter is not prepared or practiced well enough to take 200+ yard shots at game in the field. In fact, 90% of the time the vast majority of hunters in the field are not capable of getting reliable one shot kills at ranges in excess of 150 yards. I know this from being involved in wildlife management in various forms over the years. I've checked at least 3 times as many poorly shot animals as I have well shot animals. And the vast majority talk about their long range expertise, but when the chips are down, the animal suffers excessively. There's a reason that a lot of states have a minimum caliber allowed for hunting medium and larger game. The people who write those rules are not stupid. They live and breathe wildlife management, and they see the results of a less than ideal shot with a barely adequate cartridge. They see it all season long, every day.
By all means, back in the days of Jack O'Connor, a 270 was quite adequate. With proper shot placement, it still is. Therein lies the problem. The key phrase being "proper shot placement".
Until I see in person, or am given reliable evidence of, a person's shooting skills, I'm going to suggest a cartridge with enough margin to assure a clean kill as often as possible in the hands of the average shooter.
I can certainly shoot well enough to take a deer or other medium size game animal at over 300 yards with my 270.
I refuse to lie to myself or anyone else, and say that the correct conditions for a good clean 300+ yard shot with a 95%+ chance of success are common. Anyone who says they are is only fooling themselves, and making animals suffer for their ego.
I have rifles from 22 LR up to 300 Winchester Magnum, I always choose the one that assures an adequate margin to account for less than ideal conditions, in order to assure a quick clean kill with one shot on the animal being hunted in the area of the hunt.
A slight gust in the wind that you cannot see or feel, a shift in wind direction or speed halfway to the animal, a sudden twitch or step, or a change in stance. Any of those can cause a shot that many "marksman" are sure was a perfect shot to miss, maybe entirely. The shooter doesn't suffer, but the animal may.
Like my former squad mate in the post above, I now often hunt with more primitive weapons, black powder or archery. My wisdom and my conscience now have me hunting for the pleasure of enjoying nature, and making sure the game never suffers because of my need to prove anything. I have nothing to prove, to anyone, as to how far I can shoot. I've killed deer, boar, and bear, at 100 yards plus with a 44 Magnum. I'm older now, and hopefully, a little wiser. My ego no longer requires me to take those shots.
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mtnman , Captain Virgil Hilts , nicely done .
My father live and breathe deer hunting with dog's and I love it Had a deer camp for year's .My job was when the buck tries to across an open field (up to 500 yard's long)is not to let him get across and catch the dog's . So some time's it is hard to get a proper shot on him. Why I carry an extra clip .
Vulcan said something about a guy killing 2 deer in one shot . I have done that too with my 270 . Never even seen the small deer running on his side or I would not have shot the deer , they were running wide open through the wood's . When I shot him it look like they split apart and fell ..that's a once in a live time thing for sure . I shot the Rem 30-06 for year's though and it cost me more deer than you can believe because of there bad nature of jamming but kill a pot load with it too . The guy's in our club shot all kind's of rifle's and it comes down to the 270 and the 243 from what I have seen in my past 40 year's of hunting deer down here in MS .
I would like to have a BAR in a 243 now , that would be sweet ..
Oh , and I have found that a 100 grain 270 kill's better than the 140 grain for some reason . Look's to me you would have more knock down power with the 140 lead but have found that most of the time it goes through the deer because it's so fast where the 100 grain does it's job .
I still love killing deer like I did when I was 14 but for the last 2 year's I have been doing more videoing of them than anything .My dog's are to old to run now and they will be my last pack . Be stand hunting only now and am very picky in what I shoot .
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Savage, maybe I'm misunderstanding your post? Do you really consider the 270 to be "barely adequate"?
I agree, most people can't shoot very accurately at all. Most folks don't practice enough, and don't learn enough about the equipment to achieve decent accuracy. So far though, nobody's made accuracy a legal requirement when it comes to hunting.
If you can't reliably put a bullet into a 4-6 inch target at a given range, you shouldn't be shooting a big game animal at that range. There's no substitute for good old practice. Shoot, shoot, shoot, and then shoot some more.
It's the shooter, not the rifle. Where I'm from, it's a common thing to see a poor shooter trying to make up for that with a bigger, fancier, "more impressive" gun. I've never seen it work. In 30+ years, I've yet to see a dead NA big game animal killed with a big gun, that wouldn't have also been just as dead with a smaller gun.
Giving a bigger rifle to someone who can't shoot accurately won't lead to a cleaner, more "humane" kill. And actually, for someone still early in the "learning" process, I'd recommend something even smaller. Maybe a .243? Power isn't a substitute for accuracy. Too much power will probably lead to even less accuracy, in my experience as a shooting instructor.
The vast majority (almost all?) shots with a .270 that result in a suffering animal, would also result in a suffering animal had it been shot with a bigger gun.
A quick search of western big game regulations is leading me to believe that a .270 is completely adequate caliber-wise, and well above the recommended "minimum" energy-wise (I chose those states because elk and even bison are hunt-able. We have black bears here in Wisconsin, but they aren't any tougher than a whitetail when it comes to a center fire rifle).
Colorado has no minimum caliber, Idaho say no rimfires or rifles that weigh more than 16lbs. Montana has no minimum for big game, Wyoming requires a .23 caliber bullet 2" or more in length. But bullets shorter than 2" are ok if they're .35 cal and generate 500 ft-lbs at 100yds (for comparison the .243 100gr generates over 1600 ft-lb at 100yds, the .270 130gr has around 2265 ft-lb, and the 30-06 180gr has 2435 ft-lb at 100yds, the 7mm Rem 150 has 2670). Compared to the 500 ft-lb minimum at 100yds, the .270 still has 1285 ft-lb at 400 yds...
Where do we draw a line for "barely adequate"? 2.5 times the energy at 4 times the range would seem to be a bit more than "barely adequate".
Can we even argue "barely adequate" cartridges in one sentence, and then speak in favor of primitive weapons?
Here in Wisconsin, "It is illegal to hunt deer with any air rifle, rimfire rifle, or any center-fire rifle less than .22 caliber".
If target shooting is the OP's goal, I'd say the .270 is a massive overkill myself. Maybe drop down to a .17, or .223, or .22-250.
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You must be a really bad shot? 243 is fine out to 400-500 yards - let alone a 270... 2 weekends ago I was out with a guy who took down two deer with one shot from a .243 at 360 yards (both through the neck). And another guy bowled one at 400 yards with his 243, we were all using 80gr-100gr (my longest shot was 280 yards, through the heart, but I wasn't presented with any longer range opportunities).
We had other guys in the area using 7mm's (280, 7mm Practical, and 7mm SUM) out as far as 760 yards.
hey, long time no hear from. you are really in to it now by the sounds of it. i use to wack everything that moved that didn't go moo. but not now. i hate killing animals unless i have too. i just keep my hardware for a rainy day mostly
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if you can hit a rabbit with an ar15 at 150 yards hititting a deer at 400 yards with decent bolt gun is a piece of piss. it's not rocket science. hunters do it every day of the week. if the hunters in your're neck of the woods can't hit toejam past 200 yards then they are just lousy shots.
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The 270 is a fine cartridge, I own a nice Winchester Model 70 chambered in 270. It is fine for deer sized game at 300 yards, provided you are a really good shot. It just does not have the extra margin in power that the 308 and 30-06 have.
My dad just got a nice doe at about 380 or 390 yards last weekend with a .270.
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Savage makes some nice bolt action rifles, and several are very accurate.
If you are hunting, 30-06 or 308 are both better at 300 yards.
The 270 is a fine cartridge, I own a nice Winchester Model 70 chambered in 270. It is fine for deer sized game at 300 yards, provided you are a really good shot. It just does not have the extra margin in power that the 308 and 30-06 have.
Oops, forgot to point out earlier that the .270 surpasses the .308 in "power". As the range increases, the .270 pulls even further ahead.
That's not meant as a sleight on the .308, it's a fine cartridge.
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Oops, forgot to point out earlier that the .270 surpasses the .308 in "power". As the range increases, the .270 pulls even further ahead.
HAHAHAHA , I have seen this many time;s with a buck running across a field at 300 yard's . The guy's was shooting a 308 and I was using my BAR 270 and I could see there round's hitting way short in my scope . Unreal how bad of shot's some people are . Reminds me of me in AH , lol . I was like Now you know you cant hit that dear that far , lol catch the dog's , lol . Same thing with the guy's shooting the 30-30 .
One guy brought a 7 mag to the hunt one time and I kind of like it but never had any experience with it .
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I wanted to get a 30-06, but rifle ammunition is kinda pricey lol.
-BigBOBCH
Get into reloading. Its actually very safe if you follow the recipe's I use a hornady book, and a winchester cook book. I cross reference them both. The equipment all together will run your around 100 bucks, but you can save your casings and use them around 5-6 times. Probbale more, but I dont want to take any chances. You'll save so much money doing that, that you can shoot anytime you want.
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My dad just got a nice doe at about 380 or 390 yards last weekend with a .270.
Very nice !
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Get into reloading. Its actually very safe if you follow the recipe's I use a hornady book, and a winchester cook book. I cross reference them both. The equipment all together will run your around 100 bucks, but you can save your casings and use them around 5-6 times. Probbale more, but I dont want to take any chances. You'll save so much money doing that, that you can shoot anytime you want.
Always wanted to reload my rifle ammo but was to hvy into skeet shooting at the time so all my reloading (wingmaster) stuff is for a 12 gauge .
Oh , and if I was just going to go target shooting get a 22 or a HR17 like mtnman said .
(someone pm me and tell me how to put two quote's in one post )
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Always wanted to reload my rifle ammo but was to hvy into skeet shooting at the time so all my reloading (wingmaster) stuff is for a 12 gauge .
(someone pm me and tell me how to put to quote's in one post )
To put multiple quotes in one post (not gonna PM it, someone else is wondering the same thing)-
-Click "quote" on one of the quotes you want to respond to, and proceed as per normal.
-Then, open a second session of the AH Forums in a separate tab on your browser (right click on the Forums link on the AH Home page, and select "Open Link in new tab" or the equivalent), and find the second quote you want to make.
-Click quote on that one too. You'll now have two separate "response" tabs open.
-Cut/Paste the quote from one response into the other one, and close the now "empty" one...
To break a long quote into multiple small ones in order to answer several points separately, Just Copy/Paste the *[ quote author = Flench link.... ]* and *[ / quote ]* "pieces" and insert them into the original quote where desired.
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Thanks mtnman :aok
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Properly loaded, with 130 grain bullets, the 308 equals the 270 in velocity, and the 308 has 0.030" larger diameter bullets. The edge in killing power goes to the 308. The same applies to 150 grain bullets. And there isn't a 168 grain bullet for the 270. In fact the 160 grain 270 bullets are designed for the short magnum version, and a regular 270 will not send them down range fast enough for them to work properly. The 168 grain Sierra HPBTSP is recognized the world over as the most reliable and efficient projectile in the mid range cartridge class. It was designed for the 308. Further, the 308, for whatever reasons, apparently has the most stable and reliable external ballistics of any round in its class, which is why it has been adopted as both a target and sniper rifle by so many organizations and agencies. Most of those organizations and agencies can get anything they want, but they shoot 308.
I say that about a 308, and currently, I don't even own one, so I'm not "defending" my favorite rifle or cartridge. I may not buy another one, at least in a bolt action hunting rifle, because I already own Model 70 rifles chambered in 270, 30-06, and two in 300 Winchester Magnum. So I have three 30 caliber bolt action rifles (plus a 30-30) and the 270 Winchester. The 308 is within less than 10% of a 30-06, and the 270 is merely a necked down 30-06 with slightly less case volume (in most commercial cartridge cases). And I'm not saying the 270 is not an excellent cartridge, if I didn't think it was, I wouldn't own the rifle, a couple hundred rounds of ammunition, and everything required to reload it. I love my 270.
Any good centerfire rifle is adequate for deer, provided we're dealing with a skilled shooter. My old 220 Swift would kill deer like they were struck by lightning, if the shot was perfect.
In most places, there is not a shooting range, private or public, longer than 100 yards, within 50 miles of the average person's home. Therefore, the average shooter does not have a place to adequately practice shots of 200 yards or longer. The nearest available range to me is Oak Ridge, that's well over 100 miles, and isn't open on a regular basis, although it is a 1000 yard range. Most people do not have access to private lands with that sort of open range to practice on, either.
The 270 is more than adequate for deer and other game of that size or a bit larger, for exactly the range the person holding the rifle is up to the task.
I disagree with using the 270 on truly big game (deer are at best light skinned medium game with relatively small bones) because there are few, if any, bullets designed to break big bones and penetrate reliably. The power is there, the bullets are not.
Someone mentioned 100 grain bullets working better on deer than 140 grain bullets. They're using the wrong 140 grain bullet, and not getting expansion. It's not that the 140 is so fast, in fact, often the 100 is much faster, unless it is loaded down. It's that the 140 grain bullet is not expanding. Therein lies another problem with some smaller diameter bullets. If they don't hit bone in a light skinned animal, they often do not expand at all. This is especially true with some factory ammunition. At least if you start with a larger diameter bullet, at the same velocity, you get a larger hole, and a larger tissue disruption area. A good example of that is the difference between the bullets I use to hunt deer with a handgun, compared to the bullets I use to hunt boar or bear. For deer I use a 180 grain jacketed hollow cavity bullet at nearly 1800 fps muzzle velocity, because it expands rapidly and to over 50% greater diameter, and it does not need to hit any bone to do it. For bear and boar I use a 300 grain flat point solid lead bullet at around 1300 fps muzzle velocity. That bullet needs to penetrate deep, smashing bone if necessary, and the large flat nose disrupts tissue, because a bullet that expands easily on thick skin, dense tissue, or heavy bone, will not reliably penetrate deeply enough.
I'm not even suggesting "monster rifles" nor "magnum fever". I've never been a fan of that, especially for the vast majority of hunters, because they are not dedicated shooters. In fact, while I do own and shoot magnum rifles, I hesitate to suggest most people buy one. I suggest the 308 specifically because it has plenty of power, excellent accuracy, and well developed external ballistics tables, not to mention relatively light recoil and relatively low muzzle blast.
I'm not going to waste another second arguing about how well people shoot. I've hunted in a couple dozen states, and the same percentage of people who can't shoot well enough for the ranges they try to hunt at exist in every single one of them. It's a lot larger percentage than anyone wants to admit. Anyone who says it isn't is only fooling themselves. There is just as high a percentage of hunters over extending their skills in Wyoming, Colorado, or Idaho as there are here in Tennessee. The Bravo Sierra of "hunters here can shoot, the hunters around you suck" is just more ego stroking B.S., don't waste your time trying to sell that to me, I know better. I've been hunting and shooting for close to 40 years, reloading for nearly as long, and I was a wildlife tech for several years.
As far as saying "the 270 is barely adequate", that's not really what I said. And the average center fire rifle hunter is a far different hunter than those who hunt with "primitive weapons", although these days "primitive weapons" are far from being even remotely "primitive", and some of the same people who aren't ethical enough to be well practiced are now often found wandering about during archery and black powder seasons.
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Captain Virgil Hilts , I will be stand hunting this year so what would you recommend for ammo for my 270 .My longest shot would be 250 yard's at most from my deer stand . Been using the 100 grain for year's but that was for running deer and it worked fine for that . Got to go to town in the morning and get a few boxes and was just wondering ..The 140 grain ? and in a core lock or silver tip ?
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I have a great book written by a member of a 1920s expedition to the amazon basin in which the author is always mentioning his beloved Savage 250. he says something along the lines of it being the flattest shooting rifle out there with enough punch to knock down anything on the continent. he also says its so light and well balanced that you can fire one-handed at bandits while holding a microscope in the other :lol
cant remember the title or author atm but its a hilarious book - it must be the worst planned expedition ever, will dig it out later :aok
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I use a sporterized .303 enfield for boar hunting, picked up the gun (nice finish, broken stock) for $60 at a gun show.
Decent accuracy, hard hitting round and a 10 round box.
And if you just want something for plinking, get a mosin nagant, you can get a 440 round tin for $90, and it's good ammo as long as you clean the gun afterwards.
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HAHAHAHA , I have seen this many time;s with a buck running across a field at 300 yard's .
Shooting at a running deer at 300yards is really irresponsibly hunting IMHO. At 300yards, you are hoping that a bullet hits the animal anywhere. A 300 yard shot into the kill zone of a deer (lets say an area the size of a large dinner plate ) while running, and leaping up and down ( as a deer runs ) is just unsafe and unfair to the animal.
(Flench, this is no reflection on you sir, please dont take it that way )
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Just the way I grew up hunting . I don't hunt like that any more ....one reason I carried 2 clips as seen on my belt .
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Just the way I grew up hunting . I don't hunt like that any more ....one reason I carried 2 clips as seen on my belt .
Cool, I just wanted to make sure you didnt think that was aimed at you, It wasnt
:salute Mbailey
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<S> mbailey , It was a lot of fun back in the day when we had the land to run dog's but after I grew older and look back on thing's I see how unsafe and unfair it was to the animal's and to us ...
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Better than defending your country and property with sticks and stones... :cheers:
Or karate fighting kangaroo 's :D
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I'm not going to waste another second arguing about how well people shoot. I've hunted in a couple dozen states, and the same percentage of people who can't shoot well enough for the ranges they try to hunt at exist in every single one of them. It's a lot larger percentage than anyone wants to admit. Anyone who says it isn't is only fooling themselves. There is just as high a percentage of hunters over extending their skills in Wyoming, Colorado, or Idaho as there are here in Tennessee. The Bravo Sierra of "hunters here can shoot, the hunters around you suck" is just more ego stroking B.S., don't waste your time trying to sell that to me, I know better. I've been hunting and shooting for close to 40 years, reloading for nearly as long, and I was a wildlife tech for several years.
tbh I think the hunting environment over here contributes to a difference in hunters. Firearms licenses are required, to get it you have to sit a safety test, have 2 good references, and proper storage. So it takes a significant effort to get into hunting as opposed to just picking up a rifle. Hunting here is pretty much all stalking, no sitting in a blind waiting for a deer to wander past. Ranges are mixed, bush stalking is pretty much <50m, but then you get people hunting chamois and tahr at extreme long ranges in the mountains. Hunting is pretty much open slather in our national parks, we have red deer, fallow deer, whitetail deer, sambar deer, rusa deer, sika deer, tahr, chamois, wapiti (elk), feral pigs, and feral goats: and all of them are listed as pest species.
Then we have the small game, rabbits, hares (aka jack rabbits), possums, stoats, and feral cats - once again all open slather and listed as pests.
A lot of people here get there eye in working on bunnies on farms before moving up to be stuff. Once you can drop a bunny at 100y with a 22... well.. your eye is in ;)
Oh and everything I shot (bar stink goats and possums) ends up in the pot :) . Our freezer is chocka full of fallow deer, goat, and hare right now.
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Captain Virgil Hilts , I will be stand hunting this year so what would you recommend for ammo for my 270 .My longest shot would be 250 yard's at most from my deer stand . Been using the 100 grain for year's but that was for running deer and it worked fine for that . Got to go to town in the morning and get a few boxes and was just wondering ..The 140 grain ? and in a core lock or silver tip ?
No need to use the whole name, most call me Hilts, Virgil, or SaVaGe, my in game name (although I haven't flown in a while). That's why MtnMan called me SaVaGe, we were once in the 327th Steel Talons a few years ago.
Both Federal and Winchester have a nice 130 grain load, the silver box Winchester is specifically designed for thinner skinned medium/light game such as white tail deer found in the south east. The blue box Federal performs well also. Those are the factory loads I've used, I'm developing a new load, but it is not finished yet. I like the 130 grain bullet in the 270 because it fits well in my arsenal. The 100 grain is really a little light, and anything heavier than 130 grains approaches the 168 grain bullet I use in my 30 caliber rifles (except my 30-30). If I wanted to step down to a lighter bullet, and I may, I'd step down to a 25-06. I had a friend who had a 25-06, and it worked quite well on deer with my custom loads.
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Oh , Hey Savage ! I did not know that was you . I use to wing with ya some back then . I was GWD then change it to GW327th ...cool .. :rock good to see ya ..
Ok , I will try the 130 grain silver box Winchesters then . Thanks for the help ..
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Oh , Hey Savage ! I did not know that was you . I use to wing with ya some back then. I was GWD then change it to GW327th ...cool .. :rock good to see ya ..
Ok , I will try the 130 grain silver box Winchesters then . Thanks for the help ..
Died a lot doing that, too, didn't you? :joystick:
You want the CXP2 Winchester. The ballistic tip premium Winchester is good, but it is expensive. It's one of the reasons I buy very little factory stuff and reload a lot more. I have not tested a great deal with the Federal blue box, but the results from a little testing have been good.
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Just called the guy I get my ammo from and he said all he had in a 270 was the GRXP3 at 140 grain and there $45.00 a box . What about these ?
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George i dont know how fast you need your ammo but i go thru this place
http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo/.270_Winchester?sort=3&group=0 (http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo/.270_Winchester?sort=3&group=0)
just ordered some Magsafe Frangible loads for my Tokarev, great home defense round for a pistol there made to stay inside the body :devil
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Just called the guy I get my ammo from and he said all he had in a 270 was the GRXP3 at 140 grain and there $45.00 a box . What about these ?
Not for deer, and that's way too high. Those are for thick skinned large game with heavy bones, they'll go right through a deer and never even think about expanding enough. They'd be good for Elk or Moose though. I only gave $20 or so a box for my Winchester, and less than $15 a box for the Federal blue box at WalMart. Hell, you can get Winchester Supreme ballistic tip with nickel plated cases for $35 a box at WalMart.
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I see .The only place around here is the pawn shop and walmart . I have two weeks so I will check out the site Doug posted and see what they have .
Thanks guy's ... :aok
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I see .The only place around here is the pawn shop and walmart . I have two weeks so I will check out the site Doug posted and see what they have .
Thanks guy's ... :aok
I just saw the blue box Federal at the local WalMart. The Winchester in the silver box is not as readily available, for whatever reason, WalMart carries the blue box Federal, and then either white box Winchester (it's crap) or the black box Winchester Supreme (over priced for your needs).
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hey vulcan how are yoyu mate. it's good to see you . i.m not here that often and i dont nedd some dum yanks telling me how to shoot straight. i thought i would just shoot by. god bless you mate
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hey vulcan how are yoyu mate. it's good to see you . i.m not here that often and i dont nedd some dum yanks telling me how to shoot straight. i thought i would just shoot by. god bless you mate
I'm good, still roaming the hills molesting sheep and the odd goat :)