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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Dichotomy on November 08, 2010, 08:58:53 PM
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Didn't have a lot of time tonight but got to up a couple of times. Some nice turn fights with Old and did better than I expected. Even got a proxy on a Mossie which always makes me smile.
I did see and tried to get in there and help a countryman in a 3 V 1. Can we err to the side of caution and try to keep it max 2 v 1 most of the time? There's plenty of other targets especially when I'm on.
Oh and Dot.. you are one stealthy mother dude..<S>
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Oh and Dot.. you are one stealthy mother dude..<S>
:airplane:
It's my blue Spitty. :neener:
I'd agree with the 2v1...seems about the right "fun" level. Although, I did take a 1v3 and turn it into a 1v1 last week...and then got picked by the two coming back to the fight. :D
Lots of fun fights tonight, for sure. But then it's fun most every night.
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Agree, Dot. More than a 2v1 or 2v2 is basically a horde in the making.
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So when you are flying around in your four ship finger four, send one element down to kill the solo bandit and the second element flies top cover...................its a horde?
We get that complaint all the time in the MA. "It took four of you to kill me". I always answer "No it only took one. The rest were just cheerleaders."
Expecting a 1 v 1 fight or expecting a bunch of people to wait patiently to accommodate your limited SA and poor decision making is MA attitude.
The guys in my squad love the AvA. We haven't been in there in a while but we hope to not encouter this attitude when we fly there.
Please don't this attitude of the "AvA is a Bruce Lee movie"* take a stranglehold on the arena.
History was all about teamwork. If you discourage teamwork then all you get is a small number of folks trying to be a BIG fish in the Little Pond.
*NOTE: In Bruce Lee movies the bad guys patiently wait their turn to attack the HERO. Silly in the extreme and completely unlike anything resembling a real fight
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So when you are flying around in your four ship finger four, send one element down to kill the solo bandit and the second element flies top cover...................its a horde?
We get that complaint all the time in the MA. "It took four of you to kill me". I always answer "No it only took one. The rest were just cheerleaders."
Expecting a 1 v 1 fight or expecting a bunch of people to wait patiently to accommodate your limited SA and poor decision making is MA attitude.
The guys in my squad love the AvA. We haven't been in there in a while but we hope to not encouter this attitude when we fly there.
Please don't this attitude of the "AvA is a Bruce Lee movie"* take a stranglehold on the arena.
History was all about teamwork. If you discourage teamwork then all you get is a small number of folks trying to be a BIG fish in the Little Pond.
*NOTE: In Bruce Lee movies the bad guys patiently wait their turn to attack the HERO. Silly in the extreme and completely unlike anything resembling a real fight
i agree 100%
Those who talking about hording have no clue about aircombat! Not form historical and not about tactical Fighter Combat today!
We Ld came in often with 3-6 pilots, sure we work as a team, trying to balance sides, but while we successfull as a team, and i see opponents very seldom working together, finaly they lose, at the end ppl left the arena and talking about getting jumed by a horde! Thats just a shame that ppl don't try to work as a Team, engage as a team, but much more intresting, disengage as a team! Controlled disengagements needs a good lead and to bring all pilots back home alive is realy a hard mission sometimes, finaly disengament is often called running :rolleyes:
All i can say, read Fighter Combat from Robert R. Shaw , learn brevity codes, use them and stop looking for a 1vs1 all the time! If you want to have a 1 vs 1 go into the DA switch off icons, but please son't missuse and turn the ava into a 1vs1 arena. Fighting as a team is the most hardest part to learn, because you have to add you SA into a controlled Group SA, adding brevity codes to paint the whole picture at the same time!
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dhyran
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The arena is going to have to make the transition to a squadron friendly arena if you want more numbers. If you're going to complain about people that fly as a squad all you'll ever have is the same 4-6 people talking about what a wonderful bunch of 1v1s they had. Seeing a squad come in as work as a squad is a good thing and should be embraced and countered by the opposite side flying as a team as well. There's plenty of time when the numbers are low and you get your buddy on buddy fights. If you guys want a private arena where the same few players are happy doing the same thing over and over each night, complaining is the way to ensure it. If you want an active arena where you have numbers regulalrly the private sandbox mentality is going to have to take a backseat or the arena will never be allowed to flourish. There's just no sense in people putting effort into setups or scenarios four a constant 1v1 mentality.
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Simmer down gents.. that was phrased as a request not a demand. I'm not going to get my drawers in a bunch one way or another. If I get in a 3 v 1 the next plane is free and I don't worry too much about it. But when I see it happening to someone else I raise an eyebrow because I don't want that player becoming frustrated with the arena. I think squads coming in are a good thing and I'd love to see more of it.
And Dawger I agree with you insofar as sending two down and two flying high.
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So when you are flying around in your four ship finger four, send one element down to kill the solo bandit and the second element flies top cover...................its a horde?
We get that complaint all the time in the MA. "It took four of you to kill me". I always answer "No it only took one. The rest were just cheerleaders."
Expecting a 1 v 1 fight or expecting a bunch of people to wait patiently to accommodate your limited SA and poor decision making is MA attitude.
The guys in my squad love the AvA. We haven't been in there in a while but we hope to not encouter this attitude when we fly there.
Please don't this attitude of the "AvA is a Bruce Lee movie"* take a stranglehold on the arena.
History was all about teamwork. If you discourage teamwork then all you get is a small number of folks trying to be a BIG fish in the Little Pond.
*NOTE: In Bruce Lee movies the bad guys patiently wait their turn to attack the HERO. Silly in the extreme and completely unlike anything resembling a real fight
It would great to see "tactically" flown 2 and 4 ship formations. That would reflect real world accuracy vs 3, 4, 5, etc guys jumping on one guy with no one else close by for close support, etc. "a horde". We have one guy in the the arena who consistently goes " tracers off". To the best of my knowledge, pilots in WWII, didn't have the option of not loading tracers. I know that modern day fighter pilots don't have the option either, nor would they want it. In my opinion, that crosses the line of gaming the game. :joystick:
It is a fairly rare sight to see tactically flown 2 ships in any arena, even more rare to see a 4 ship. This is a game and we all chose to "fly" it the way we want. So, in my observations, that demonstrates 3 scenarios; disciplined tactical formations, single ship "same way,same day" formations, and single ship "Oh, target, mine" multiple singles v 1, i.e. the horde.
My intention is not to berate anyone's choice of game play. Just offering up some observations. The AvA has morphed into a more realistic, real world atmosphere with some notable exceptions. It has become a mostly consistent level of fun and cooperative arena. So, much so that I haven't been the MAs in nearly 4 months and can't see a reason to do so.
To all of you who have contributed to the new AvA atmosphere, a hearty salute! :salute
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i agree 100%
Those who talking about hording have no clue about aircombat! Not form historical and not about tactical Fighter Combat today!
We Ld came in often with 3-6 pilots, sure we work as a team, trying to balance sides, but while we successfull as a team, and i see opponents very seldom working together, Finlay they lose, at the end ppl left the arena and talking about getting jumed by a horde! Thats just a shame that ppl don't try to work as a Team, engage as a team, but much more intresting, disengage as a team! Controlled disengagements needs a good lead and to bring all pilots back home alive is relay a hard mission sometimes, finaly disengagement is often called running :rolleyes:
All i can say, read Fighter Combat from Robert R. Shaw , learn brevity codes, use them and stop looking for a 1vs1 all the time! If you want to have a 1 vs 1 go into the DA switch off icons, but please son't missuse and turn the ava into a 1vs1 arena. Fighting as a team is the most hardest part to learn, because you have to add you SA into a controlled Group SA, adding brevity codes to paint the whole picture at the same time!
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dhyran
Herein is the quandary, we have an amazing WWII air combat game that has enormous real world accuracy as far as the equipment goes. But, how that is employed or flown is up to each $14.95 a month player. Some like to fly and employ realistic tactics, some like a looser single ship cooperative formation, and others do the single ship, anything for a score technique. All these lead to frustration when realism is mixed with gaming the game. For me, it all comes down to attitude. Having fun with the game and respecting the other guy's ( gal's) style is key and is what the AvA has developed into, with an exception or two or three. :salute
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i think the no more than a 2v1 comment refers to a single plane and its obvious there are no other guys around him or a low number situation which happens a lot in AvA. Just from listening to vox I dont think ive ever heard anyone complain about multiple bad guys on him when he has multiple friends around to join in. I personally always ask to join in a situation the seems to be either under control or obvious 1v1. But I then fly observation or "cheerleader", thats a great way to put it! I think the biggest issue is most of the "regulars" as we are called came in as single, frustrated MA players that either their squads didnt follow in or like myself dont have a squad in the MA. We are all trying to work together and have fun. We do a lot of the side switching to balance out when 2 or 3 or even more guys from a single squad come into one side and for obvious reasons dont want to split up, biggest complaint of caps in the MA.
P.S. Dhryan, sorry about the kill when landing the other night. I followed you all the way back to the carrier and honestly thought it was one of the other two guys on your side at the time and they have both killed me multiple times with gear down trying to land. :salute
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in all honesty, i feel good when i see 4 of em on my six. sounds weird i know.........but i can remember when my suckage was such that out of the 4, only one would come and fight me....and kill me rather quickly.
now, one may come in, and after a couple of turns, in come all of his buddies.....i can imagine him yelling "THERE'S NO WAY A P-38 CAN DO THAT!! HE'S CHEATING!! C;MON GUYS, HELP ME OUT HERE!!"
now....with the 3-1 or 4-1........if i fly into your hornets nest, i don't really care. a shiny new plane is a mere click away.
what i'd be really dissappointed to see in here, would be the guy that runs 'cause we're co-alt, or i'm slightly higher, or we're 1-1....so he runs to friends. that's pure ma attitude, and why i don't fly the ma's anymore.
hell.,....i engaged jc7 from high.....did he run? hell no! he fought and evaded, wiggling that little 109 around till help arrived.....i saw em coming, and had an advantage to begin with, so it was no big deal.
same situation in the ma's, he'd have run to ack.
aajager left me to a fight with jolly. he asked if i wanted help, and i asked him to stay out. this was a co-alt merge, and i eventually lost that fight.....bvut thanks to jager being polite, it was one hell of a white knuckle fight.
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in all honesty, i feel good when i see 4 of em on my six. sounds weird i know.........but i can remember when my suckage was such that out of the 4, only one would come and fight me....and kill me rather quickly.
now, one may come in, and after a couple of turns, in come all of his buddies.....i can imagine him yelling "THERE'S NO WAY A P-38 CAN DO THAT!! HE'S CHEATING!! C;MON GUYS, HELP ME OUT HERE!!"
now....with the 3-1 or 4-1........if i fly into your hornets nest, i don't really care. a shiny new plane is a mere click away.
what i'd be really dissappointed to see in here, would be the guy that runs 'cause we're co-alt, or i'm slightly higher, or we're 1-1....so he runs to friends. that's pure ma attitude, and why i don't fly the ma's anymore.
hell.,....i engaged jc7 from high.....did he run? hell no! he fought and evaded, wiggling that little 109 around till help arrived.....i saw em coming, and had an advantage to begin with, so it was no big deal.
same situation in the ma's, he'd have run to ack.
aajager left me to a fight with jolly. he asked if i wanted help, and i asked him to stay out. this was a co-alt merge, and i eventually lost that fight.....bvut thanks to jager being polite, it was one hell of a white knuckle fight.
So your still claiming you dont cheat..... :noid
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watch out.. he'll put you on the disco list ;)
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lol, i thought he still had a switch on his stick set to "disco grumpy"
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I agree with everything said here. More people is usually more fun. 4v1 isn't always fun - maybe once in a while. The biggest problem I see here is the disparity between squads coming in fighting as a squad - who have been flying together for months/years - versus all the rest who are essentially lone fliers that happen to be on the same side.
As people spend more time in there, and more time with each other, they will (I've started to see it already) develop some bits of cooperative flying, and some of those fights were epic.
I'm not one to biotch about every little thing, and enjoy the fights. I usually enter most fights at either an alt disadvantage or a numbers disadvantage. Half the fun is trying to survive those and maybe take one or two down before I'm blown up.
The AvA has gotten new life breathed into it; the settings, the hard-working staff, and the players that frequent it have all contributed to something that this game has lacked for a long time and I only see it getting better over time.
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lol, i thought he still had a switch on his stick set to "disco grumpy"
nah....ran outta buttons on the stick/throttle. now i gots to use a keyboard key/. :devil :noid
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Grumpy, there are some ECM (electronic counter measures) available to bounce that "disco grumpy" signal back to the sender. :D
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Grumpy, there are some ECM (electronic counter measures) available to bounce that "disco grumpy" signal back to the sender. :D
who do i make the check payable to....
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who do i make the check payable to....
Oh, it's free. Just google "disco grumpy ECM", go to the hardware store, get the parts, a couple hours in the garage, and you're good to go.
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Now from the peanut gallery. 5v1, 3v1 1v1, Im probably headed back to the tower, after a bang, some smoke and fire.
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Carver
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But do you prefer the instadeath or the slow spinning and burning fall out of the sky? I much prefer the instadeath myself <S> :cheers:
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We have one guy in the the arena who consistently goes " tracers off". To the best of my knowledge, pilots in WWII, didn't have the option of not loading tracers. I know that modern day fighter pilots don't have the option either, nor would they want it. In my opinion, that crosses the line of gaming the game.
We have more than one! US pilots, at least in the ETO and towards the end of the war, did in fact have the option of eliminating tracer rounds from their loadout. Generally they reported that their squadron (or group, if that was the case) kill rates went up.
As for the ganging issue which Dicho raised, there are good arguments on both sides. People who fly together are offended if their real world tactics are criticized. People who get jumped by lop-sided numbers complain that they can get the same treatment in the MAs (almost an exact quote that I've seen time after time for years). While I'm personally in the anti-ganging crowd, I'm now inclined to agree with Shifty and Dawger (and you other guys) that the arena should adapt to squad play.
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I prefer the wounded bird technique. As I'm limping along with half of one wing, no rudder, one side of the elevator missing, a fuel leak, and of course, oil all over the place and my opponent mesmerized at how that heap is still flying, Jappa tags him in the back O' the head. Technique only! :neener:
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We have more than one! US pilots, at least in the ETO and towards the end of the war, did in fact have the option of eliminating tracer rounds from their loadout. Generally they reported that their squadron (or group, if that was the case) kill rates went up.
As for the ganging issue which Dicho raised, there are good arguments on both sides. People who fly together are offended if their real world tactics are criticized. People who get jumped by lop-sided numbers complain that they can get the same treatment in the MAs (almost an exact quote that I've seen time after time for years). While I'm personally in the anti-ganging crowd, I'm now inclined to agree with Shifty and Dawger (and you other guys) that the arena should adapt to squad play.
- oldman
Thanks, Oldman! I stand corrected. :salute. It seems that the larger squads don't play AvA in mass. But, flying organized tactical formations is doable with some dedicated training and effort.
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i'm still trying to get my squad to come in.....i know if they'll stop being a bunch of sissies, and get their butts in here on a decently loaded night.....they'll have a blast. :devil
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Well BigRat was in last night and I believe a few of my other squad mates have been in from time to time.
Old don't get me wrong I'm completely in favor of squads being here. I'm somewhat mired, often to my demise, in the thinking of letting people get up and having a decent fight with them or dragging a wounded plane home. A week or so ago I pinged up a 30 fairly well and I thought he was breaking out of the fight so I turned away towards another con and the 38 driver came in with one engine and blasted me. I hit the ground laughing as I normally do but I'd hate to see conga lines running people off who are looking into the arena for the first time. That's the only reason I mentioned it and only in passing. I'll still be here no matter what as the AVA has pretty much been my arena of choice since I discovered it.
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Well BigRat was in last night and I believe a few of my other squad mates have been in from time to time.
Old don't get me wrong I'm completely in favor of squads being here. I'm somewhat mired, often to my demise, in the thinking of letting people get up and having a decent fight with them or dragging a wounded plane home. A week or so ago I pinged up a 30 fairly well and I thought he was breaking out of the fight so I turned away towards another con and the 38 driver came in with one engine and blasted me. I hit the ground laughing as I normally do but I'd hate to see conga lines running people off who are looking into the arena for the first time. That's the only reason I mentioned it and only in passing. I'll still be here no matter what as the AVA has pretty much been my arena of choice since I discovered it.
you'll find that most of us 38 drivers never give up. :devil
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homicidal / suicidal lot arent ya?
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I agree with more folks joining the herd in here. The AvA is mostly filled with like minded players. The few that come in with MA mentality are kinda like mixing oil and water. No one needs to be run off. But, after a time of seeing how the arena conducts itself, most with a basic consideration of others will either adapt or move on to another arena with their game play style. Those who are intent on creating strife will dig their heels in and agitate others for their own self centered satisfaction. That reflects an unfortunate, sad life out in the real world.
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Puma what Oldman said about tracers. In fact Francis Gabreski only had the last 60 rounds in his guns loaded as tracer so he'd know when he was short on ammo. As far as the ganging... I doubt there's ever been a night in this arena when I didn't end up on the wrong side of a 3v1 and ended up dead. It happens all the time and I've yet to see anybody in this arena back off when it's a 2v3 and one of the 2 goes down. The other three still go after the lone guy.
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we need to set up another squad vs regulars or just squads invited event or something. The last one with the POTW was great but I dont see many, if any coming in on a regular basis. Maybe they need a little more exposure.
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When numbers are low, I try to stick to asking before jumping in on a 1v1. When numbers get higher, the furball grows, and anything goes. I think that's a key here, and part of what has to change as the arena grows.
With low numbers, it's a heightened realism dueling arena.
With high numbers, it should become like a heightened realism ongoing scenario frame, with objectives becoming prevalent again, and more 4v4 type fights.
As we get towards the latter, folks might find themselves forming ad-hoc groups for survival. I know if I take off about the same time as someone else, I try to fly cover for them. Or as was shown last week, sneak out on ahead so I can get gang-banged while they pick off my tormentors, since no matter how even the furball I'll always end up with 3 or more on my tail after a pass or two through it.
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A couple of active squads in the AVA or dedicated AvA squads would be a great thing. It would be nice to have numbers a few nights a week without having to hold a special event for one night
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Thats what we are shooting for. I have no squad affiliation in the MA's but joined with jeager and the JG54 in the AvA.
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It would be good to see JG-54 back in the AvA regularly maybe prod jaeger to start a JG54 AvA squadnight. :aok
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is it possible to be in a different squad within the ava, without leaving my squad? if so, maybe some of us regulars oughtta make a squad in there......
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yes it is :D
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is it possible to be in a different squad within the ava, without leaving my squad? if so, maybe some of us regulars oughtta make a squad in there......
It is and there's no reason you and your spammate shouldn't squad up in the AvA.
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If you use the same squad names, you can use squad text to talk across arenas. If your AvA squad name is different from your MA squad name, you can't. That might make it more difficult to tell them to leave the MA and come to the good fights in AvA.
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If you use the same squad names, you can use squad text to talk across arenas. If your AvA squad name is different from your MA squad name, you can't. That might make it more difficult to tell them to leave the MA and come to the good fights in AvA.
That's not entirely correct. The C.O. has to be the same in both arenas, actual squad name has nothing to do with cross arena communication. If your squad does not want to participate in the AvA just check with your C.O. and see if he has a problem with you starting or participating in a dedicated AvA squad. If they haven't followed you into the AvA already it's doubtful they will. Forming dedicated AvA squads with scheduled squad nights was a great way to get people in the arena in the past. In fact Dot, Jester and I started the 325th Checkertails as a dedicated AvA or Historical Arena as it was called then squadron in 2001. ;)
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WELL, I got a pm from soulss, so what i may do is ask them if they mind having some ava only doods in the 80th in there......... :aok
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I have a sort of defunct AvA squad that was pretty full at one time, but everyone has drifted away because the arena wasn't very populated at that time.
http://358daybreakers.webs.com/
Some might could be lured back now that the arena has picked up.
I'll turn the reigns over to someone if interested. I just don't have much time to be a squad CO.
You can even change the name and I'll stay in and alter the website for ya!!
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some of the JG guys come in now and then, i havnt even seen jeager for over a week. I know he would love to have more guys join in!
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some of the JG guys come in now and then, i havnt even seen jeager for over a week. I know he would love to have more guys join in!
Out of the old crew the one I see most is Wildesau, it would be cool if the Green Hearts guys got interested in an AvA resurgence.
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jeager is trying trust me on that. I think he is running into the "cant teach and old dog new tricks"
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Out of the old crew the one I see most is Wildesau, it would be cool if the Green Hearts guys got interested in an AvA resurgence.
i've tried to talk storch to come try here again......he's pretty adamant about not coming back.
now that i've come in here, it would be nice to see n7, and some of the other doods too.
for those furballin nights though, i'd REALLY like to see my squaddies come in. the landscape will literally be strewn with parts. :devil
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i've tried to talk storch to come try here again......he's pretty adamant about not coming back.
now that i've come in here, it would be nice to see n7, and some of the other doods too.
for those furballin nights though, i'd REALLY like to see my squaddies come in. the landscape will literally be strewn with parts. :devil
N7 is kickazz the guy is a one man plague.
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jeager is trying trust me on that. I think he is running into the "cant teach and old dog new tricks"
i have full faith in the fact that he and the rest of the crew are trying their damndest....if i didn't, i'd not be flying there. :aok
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N7 is kickazz the guy is a one man plague.
yea i know. the last time i saw him online, was back when i was still being a dick. i should've known better, and not been....but it is what it is. wish i'd been smart enough to learn from him too, but again...that comes from the fact i was being a dick.........
i did last almost a half minute in a fight with him once though. :D
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was back when i was still being a dick.
Yesterday??
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Yesterday??
No yesterday he was being a puss. :D
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Yesterday??
noooo!!!!!
been almost a few months at least now that i finally realized........ :airplane:
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No yesterday he was being a puss. :D
hey!!
keep that attitude up mister, and i'll hit you with big parts from my aeroplane!! :devil :uhoh
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All in fun Cap. :aok
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All in fun Cap. :aok
i know that sir!!
didn't you catch the sarcasm in my reply?
sometimes my humor isn;t as funny once it leaves my mind, as it seems while it's still there. :rofl :aok
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been trying to get my squad over for a night but with the different times it is hard, So I just started an AvA division of our Squad for their to get the squad name rolling
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been trying to get my squad over for a night but with the different times it is hard, So I just started an AvA division of our Squad for their to get the squad name rolling
I had a pm from soulss last night....he managed to get corky in there at a time when there were 10 in there.....haven't talked to corky yet, but it sounds like he had fun.......but then....give him his 38, something to shoot at, and he's happy. :D
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been trying to get my squad over for a night but with the different times it is hard, So I just started an AvA division of our Squad for their to get the squad name rolling
Molson I'm talking with a few guys about an Axis Ava squad. What night are you planning to have your bunch in the arena?
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so that means someone has to form an allied squad........ :devil
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I'm a spy and fly for both sides. :devil
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I'm a spy and fly for both sides. :devil
uummm........................ .must........................ .....resist.................. ....................must..... ............................. resist temptation................... .................. :noid
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keep holding it in and your lower GI might explode :t
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I'm a spy and fly for both sides. :devil
Most of us do when numbers require it.
One reason I'm asking Molson about his schedule is because historically the 20th FG flew the P-38 and P-51. I'd like to see historically minded squads get a chance to fly their actual aircraft against it's actual opponants. If making an Axis AvA squad would help bring that about it's a positive step in gaining more interest in the arena. The biggest roadblock to this I see is the arenas lack of a standards on settings and the move away from historical setups to the geewizz fantasy type setups. It's hard enough to seel the no icons thing. Selling settings that change on a weekly whim is even harder. There's five fantasy arenas that run 24/7 The EWA MWA both LWAs and the TA. If the AvA is going that direction there's not much sense in putting the effort of squad building or recruiting other squads or members into it and I'd just as soon leave it to the private flying club mentality it is currently moving towards.. Just my two cents ymmv.
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Most of us do when numbers require it.
One reason I'm asking Molson about his schedule is because historically the 20th FG flew the P-38 and P-51. I'd like to see historically minded squads get a chance to fly their actual aircraft against it's actual opponants. If making an Axis AvA squad would help bring that about it's a positive step in gaining more interest in the arena. The biggest roadblock to this I see is the arenas lack of a standards on settings and the move away from historical setups to the geewizz fantasy type setups. It's hard enough to seel the no icons thing. Selling settings that change on a weekly whim is even harder. There's five fantasy arenas that run 24/7 The EWA MWA both LWAs and the TA. If the AvA is going that direction there's not much sense in putting the effort of squad building or recruiting other squads or members into it and I'd just as soon leave it to the private flying club mentality it is currently moving towards.. Just my two cents ymmv.
I am usually in the arena every night except Weds cause I am on a 36 hr tour with work then I log on thursday nights. I been trying hard to get a few from the squad over but seems like some of them have no interest in AvA once and a while you will see Bar321 in there with me but other then that we have guys log on at all times of the day. Originally before we became the 20th FG we were the 582nd a Japenese Based squad that flew zekes and all but since we started to get into the Escorting Biz plus low recruits we voted to go with a traditional American based Squad and adopted the 20th FG due to the fact of history that goes with that Squad dating back to WW1 and still to this day is very active. but who knows one day I may be able to work on getting the squad over for a night and I will let you know
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Most of us do when numbers require it.
One reason I'm asking Molson about his schedule is because historically the 20th FG flew the P-38 and P-51. I'd like to see historically minded squads get a chance to fly their actual aircraft against it's actual opponants. If making an Axis AvA squad would help bring that about it's a positive step in gaining more interest in the arena. The biggest roadblock to this I see is the arenas lack of a standards on settings and the move away from historical setups to the geewizz fantasy type setups. It's hard enough to seel the no icons thing. Selling settings that change on a weekly whim is even harder. There's five fantasy arenas that run 24/7 The EWA MWA both LWAs and the TA. If the AvA is going that direction there's not much sense in putting the effort of squad building or recruiting other squads or members into it and I'd just as soon leave it to the private flying club mentality it is currently moving towards.. Just my two cents ymmv.
now that is something my squaddies could get into. they like the 38 for its history, and beauty. me too. for me to be able to fly my beloved 38 o doom against only luftwienie planes, or japanese candles, is nearly ah nirvana.
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My squad is just a few guys who like to fly and fight, so I have no problem being the target for all you historical-squad guys. :D I'll fly whatever ride is available on whatever side needs me the most. :aok
Bring It!
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I find it more intersting flying as a Historically based squad for example when I flew with Riddlers Raiders aka 479th alot flew the 38 me on the other hand was a buff pilot and XO of the wing, now I am kinda getting the hang of fighters again with having to worry about the hordes in the MA's and I can practice more in AvA with no enemy icons on and all and my SA seems to be getting somewhat Better. I do tend to see myself jumping into others fights and I am trying hard not to. If you would like check out our Site 20thfglocobusters.webs.com alot of good things there along with many intersting links.
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one of my problems in the mw arena, was that i had myself beome one of the timid fliers that i hate so much.
rather than just jumping into a fight, i'd go high, and slash through it. if i got jumped, i'd come back higher. i was becoming a total puss.
here in the ava, i do just as i used to do. i jump into the middle, and parts be damned. live die win lose....doesn't matter. if the fight was fun, then in the end, the tall skinny dork sitting in front of this monitor won regardless. that is what the ava, and all of you guys that populate it give me. this entire combination has breathed new life into this game for me.
i'd almost like to go back to mw, and see how i do now, but why bother? it's probably still the same poop pile it was a couple of months ago.
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yup I pop in there everynow and then to fly against the olds squad and all but other then that lately I been getting bored with the game so AvA is a new addition now to my flight schedule and I am enjoying it so far. Hey Cap how ya been feeling??? The headaches and all and have ya spoke to your Doc I was just curious if any of my theories were close.
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yup I pop in there everynow and then to fly against the olds squad and all but other then that lately I been getting bored with the game so AvA is a new addition now to my flight schedule and I am enjoying it so far. Hey Cap how ya been feeling??? The headaches and all and have ya spoke to your Doc I was just curious if any of my theories were close.
i haven't hit the doc yet......the headache was going away a little bit....then on friday, it just suddenly wasn't there anymore. i came home saturday, ate dinner, and passed out....slept straight through till sunday morning.
i strongly suspect it had something to do with the sudden change in the weather to be honest.......i need to get a filling fixed, then the doc to be sure i'm not about to wake up dead.
thanks for asking dude!! i really do appreciate that!!! :aok
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One idea would be squad(s) v. squad(s) in a historical set-up or in their historical rides. For instance VF-17 vs. JG-11--in our historical rides. The question/issue is I'm not sure how historical that match up would be? But, the idea being, is if we could do a squad v. squad (or squads--ie, expand to a few more squads who fly german and navy iron) and get a few more in to see how fun this arena is, maybe a few more would come in. We could do this on a off night of FSO (and maybe a little earlier so Bug can get his beauty rest :devil
If it worked, then expand it and/or get other squads to take up the torch. Again I see it to fill in those 1-2 week off FSO nights.
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one of my problems in the mw arena, was that i had myself beome one of the timid fliers that i hate so much.
rather than just jumping into a fight, i'd go high, and slash through it. if i got jumped, i'd come back higher. i was becoming a total puss.
here in the ava, i do just as i used to do. i jump into the middle, and parts be damned. live die win lose....doesn't matter. if the fight was fun, then in the end, the tall skinny dork sitting in front of this monitor won regardless. that is what the ava, and all of you guys that populate it give me. this entire combination has breathed new life into this game for me.
i'd almost like to go back to mw, and see how i do now, but why bother? it's probably still the same poop pile it was a couple of months ago.
I still fly MW almost daily and I can tell you my SA and fighter skills have increased ten fold! and i have been playing this game for nearly 10 years. Id love to go into the MW or MA arena with you CAP and work on wingman tactics. Ive never had anyone to do that with and I think you and I could kill the "cancer" in the AvA with a little bit of teamwork. Or any regular for that matter. If anyone would like to do this please let me know! Would be good idea anyway since we are trying to grow the arena and invite squads in.
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I still fly MW almost daily and I can tell you my SA and fighter skills have increased ten fold! and i have been playing this game for nearly 10 years. Id love to go into the MW or MA arena with you CAP and work on wingman tactics. Ive never had anyone to do that with and I think you and I could kill the "cancer" in the AvA with a little bit of teamwork. Or any regular for that matter. If anyone would like to do this please let me know! Would be good idea anyway since we are trying to grow the arena and invite squads in.
i'd be up for trying that. it could be fun, and more learning....... :aok
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And what i mean by "kill the cancer" is play it their way and see how they respond. Only time i get anything out of either one of them is when i manage to survive the hoe and kill them.....
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I still fly MW almost daily and I can tell you my SA and fighter skills have increased ten fold! and i have been playing this game for nearly 10 years. Id love to go into the MW or MA arena with you CAP and work on wingman tactics. Ive never had anyone to do that with and I think you and I could kill the "cancer" in the AvA with a little bit of teamwork. Or any regular for that matter. If anyone would like to do this please let me know! Would be good idea anyway since we are trying to grow the arena and invite squads in.
Grumpy,
Jappa and I fly tactical on each sortie. When we are both on, you will alway see us in a "Tac Spread". We are dedicated to it, do a formation takeoff each time, fly close fingertip enroute, split to tactical in the threat area, rtb in the formation appropriate for the situation, and land in a fingertip. We are on the lookout for those interested. It takes a lot of practice to get the timing of tactical mutual support flying down. If you or anyone else is interested, let one of us know. :airplane:
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I would suggest learning Tactical in the AvA, TA, or DA. The Hordes in the MAs make it a bit tough to concentrate on something new when 29 twits are swarming around like barn flies. :salute
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Grumpy,
Jappa and I fly tactical on each sortie. When we are both on, you will alway see us in a "Tac Spread". We are dedicated to it, do a formation takeoff each time, fly close fingertip enroute, split to tactical in the threat area, rtb in the formation appropriate for the situation, and land in a fingertip. We are on the lookout for those interested. It takes a lot of practice to get the timing of tactical mutual support flying down. If you or anyone else is interested, let one of us know. :airplane:
:airplane:
you rtb?
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weirdos I tell ya ;)
Actually, as the arena is evolving, I think cooperative flying is going to be more and more important so yes I'm up for it. Wonder if we could have a training night every so often?
AVA squads I'd be interested in so long as it doesn't interfere with FSO's
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you rtb?
RTB = Return to base
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weirdos I tell ya ;)
Actually, as the arena is evolving, I think cooperative flying is going to be more and more important so yes I'm up for it. Wonder if we could have a training night every so often?
AVA squads I'd be interested in so long as it doesn't interfere with FSO's
I/we are always available. Say the word.
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Cap knows what RTB is, he is just more familiar with RTT (return to tower) :devil
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Grumpy,
Jappa and I fly tactical on each sortie. When we are both on, you will alway see us in a "Tac Spread". We are dedicated to it, do a formation takeoff each time, fly close fingertip enroute, split to tactical in the threat area, rtb in the formation appropriate for the situation, and land in a fingertip. We are on the lookout for those interested. It takes a lot of practice to get the timing of tactical mutual support flying down. If you or anyone else is interested, let one of us know. :airplane:
:airplane:
I would suggest learning Tactical in the AvA, TA, or DA. The Hordes in the MAs make it a bit tough to concentrate on something new when 29 twits are swarming around like barn flies. :salute
Im on almost every night so let me know... Always up for learning something new.
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Im on almost every night so let me know... Always up for learning something new.
Well, then, let's do it. I'm outta town most weeks Wed through Fri for work.
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Cap knows what RTB is, he is just more familiar with RTT (return to tower) :devil
Ouch! Poor Cap. I see the "no slack" light is illuminated. :O
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RTB = Return to base
what is this base you speak of?
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It's only a rumor
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what is this base you speak of?
OK, now, yer just screwing with me......aren't ya.....I hope? :huh
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OK, now, yer just screwing with me......aren't ya.....I hope? :huh
UH HUH
:neener: :rofl :rofl :aok
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Jappa and I fly tactical on each sortie. When we are both on, you will alway see us in a "Tac Spread".
Your two-ship tac fighting is making me a better combat pilot. Bring it, and keep bringing it. :rock
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Your two-ship tac fighting is making me a better combat pilot. Bring it, and keep bringing it. :rock
That's the goal, Dot, better every sortie. Just wait until we get a tactical 4 ship coming at ya.
..and yes sir, we will definitely keep on bringing it on! :aok
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UH HUH
:neener: :rofl :rofl :aok
Yer killin' me Cap, yer killin' me......... :bolt:
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I for one would love to learn some of this stuff, so a training night sounds like great fun. I am on pretty much everyday from late afternoon early evening Pacific Time.
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Carver
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i'd be up for a training night.......as for squads though, i'd rather keep in the 80th, since some of my squaddies come in here...and i think eventually we'll be able to lure em in more often.
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i'd be up for a training night.......as for squads though, i'd rather keep in the 80th, since some of my squaddies come in here...and i think eventually we'll be able to lure em in more often.
I'm out of town until Friday night, wedding anniversary Saturday, and will be on Sunday afternoon/evening. In the mean time, if you see Jappa on, grab him and go for it. He's got it down solid. Have fun and check six! :salute
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I'm out of town until Friday night, wedding anniversary Saturday, and will be on Sunday afternoon/evening. In the mean time, if you see Jappa on, grab him and go for it. He's got it down solid. Have fun and check six! :salute
will do. tonight is back night....tomorrow night i might be able to get on...sat, i have to help a friend set up some equipment at a night club in philly, and sunday i'll be doing civil air patrol running for most of the day....the air force is inspecting us monday morning.......
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will do. tonight is back night....tomorrow night i might be able to get on...sat, i have to help a friend set up some equipment at a night club in philly, and sunday i'll be doing civil air patrol running for most of the day....the air force is inspecting us monday morning.......
Aheee! :O Inspection! :salute. AteenHut!! :joystick: :bolt: