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Title: I'm fed up!
Post by: Lusche on November 29, 2010, 08:51:26 AM
I have enough. This sucks beyond all belief! Can't stand it anymore!  :furious

No... not the arena stuff or the BBS.


Just as the game was getting fun again, a screw in my simped pedals broke (after more than 8000 hours AH). I can't remove the part that is stuck. I'm grounded for now  :cry

(http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/3672/kaputt.jpg)
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Dr_Death8 on November 29, 2010, 08:55:01 AM
My Gawd, you are going to have to do something else for a change !!  :bolt:

I guess we will see alot more charts now, huh??  :aok  :salute
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Lusche on November 29, 2010, 08:56:21 AM
My Gawd, you are going to have to do something else for a change !!  :bolt:

 :rofl
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: ImADot on November 29, 2010, 08:58:05 AM
Wow, that sux...like flying with one hand tied behind your back and 2-1000lb bombs on your wings.

So, you can't unscrew the broken screw?  Try Grabit; I haven't used it, but looks like it might help:
http://www.amazon.com/Alden-8440P-Grabit-Damaged-Extractor/dp/B001A4CWHO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291042504&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Alden-8440P-Grabit-Damaged-Extractor/dp/B001A4CWHO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291042504&sr=8-1)
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: VonMessa on November 29, 2010, 08:59:49 AM
I'm at work right now so I can't post a pic but my Saitek pedals look nothing like the ones I purchased many moons ago.

Pretty much used the guts(electronics) and fabricated new "pedals".

No more binding/getting stuck  :rock
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Lusche on November 29, 2010, 09:02:50 AM
So, you can't unscrew the broken screw? 

No, I don't have any means to get it out. The diameter is ~3mm, and it sits deep inside. I don't have any tools sophisticated enough to drill it out or something. (One reason i don't have any tolls beyond the very basic ones... I am mechanically challenged  :uhoh)
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: ImADot on November 29, 2010, 09:06:13 AM
No, I don't have any means to get it out. The diameter is ~3mm, and it sits deep inside.

Double-bummer.  Then the link I posted probably wont work, as those bits look a bit larger than 3mm.
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Shuffler on November 29, 2010, 09:08:36 AM
Easy out is your friend.
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: VonMessa on November 29, 2010, 09:13:21 AM
No, I don't have any means to get it out. The diameter is ~3mm, and it sits deep inside. I don't have any tools sophisticated enough to drill it out or something. (One reason i don't have any tolls beyond the very basic ones... I am mechanically challenged  :uhoh)

Bummer  :cry

I've got a fairly complete machine shop in the basement but I don't think it would be worth the time/money to send it over here...

 :furious
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: canacka on November 29, 2010, 09:33:29 AM
You can get an easyout kit from any hardware store, some for as little as 10-15 bucks.
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Lusche on November 29, 2010, 09:38:34 AM
You can get an easyout kit from any hardware store, some for as little as 10-15 bucks.

I would have to buy the tools to drill a hole into that very tiny screw too  ;)
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Yeager on November 29, 2010, 09:48:57 AM
jeeze...go get a back up twisty stick.  the AV8R works well :)
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: VonMessa on November 29, 2010, 09:49:53 AM
You can get an easyout kit from any hardware store, some for as little as 10-15 bucks.

Problem is finding one small enough...

3mm is about .1181" or just a hair smaller than a #32 wire gauge drill bit, and that is the size of the screw, itself.

Drilling a pilot hole for an eze-out would be just shy of 1/2 of that diameter, or just shy of 1/16".  Pretty small hole.  I've never seen an eze-out that small that was of any use.

Might be just as easy to drill from the back side with a center drill and then a 4mm drill and try to screw it right on through, or center drill, then progress from smaller drills and continue on up until what is left of the screw falls out, then replace the screw.
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: VonMessa on November 29, 2010, 09:51:10 AM
I would have to buy the tools to drill a hole into that very tiny screw too  ;)

THAT, I could send ya  :)

I've got drill bits smaller than .5 mm  :)
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Melvin on November 29, 2010, 09:58:49 AM
Drill it out and tap it.

If you haven't got the equipment, go to a local fab shop. They should do it for ~$20.

<S> Melvin
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Lusche on November 29, 2010, 09:58:57 AM
THAT, I could send ya  :)

I've got drill bits smaller than .5 mm  :)

Drill bit? Isn't that a thing you have to put into a powered tool i do not own? To be operated by someone actually capable of drilling a straight hole?  :lol


I mentioned the need for a new set of pedals to my wife  :D ... didn't work out as intended (http://www.treffpunkt-diesesundjenes.de/forum/images/smilies/smilies3/hau.gif)
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: R 105 on November 29, 2010, 10:09:18 AM
You can fix anything with a hammer and a torch. lol
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Dichotomy on November 29, 2010, 10:12:43 AM
Drill bit? Isn't that a thing you have to put into a powered tool i do not own? To be operated by someone actually capable of drilling a straight hole?  :lol


I mentioned the need for a new set of pedals to my wife  :D ... didn't work out as intended (http://www.treffpunkt-diesesundjenes.de/forum/images/smilies/smilies3/hau.gif)

Have you not heard the phrase 'it's easier to get forgiven than get permission'?  You just go buy them and explain later.   :devil
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Lusche on November 29, 2010, 10:14:09 AM
Have you not heard the phrase 'it's easier to get forgiven than get permission'?  You just go buy them and explain later.   :devil

 :lol

I would have to get the money from her first ...  :noid
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Max on November 29, 2010, 10:19:30 AM
Certainly eBay exists in Germany, no?
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Lusche on November 29, 2010, 10:24:39 AM
Certainly eBay exists in Germany, no?

yes
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Dichotomy on November 29, 2010, 10:25:08 AM
:lol

I would have to get the money from her first ...  :noid

sounds like you're outta luck  :cry
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Lusche on November 29, 2010, 10:25:59 AM
sounds like you're outta luck  :cry

I think I have to resort to R105' proposition, about the hammer & the torch....  :x
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Shuffler on November 29, 2010, 10:28:00 AM
I would have to buy the tools to drill a hole into that very tiny screw too  ;)

You don't have to drill a hole to use an easy out.

The tool has an end like a drill with 2 flutes designed to cut into the top of the screw/bolt in the opposite direction. To use it simply chuck it in drill and set drill for reverse. Press bit onto screw/bolt steadily and run slow.
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: VonMessa on November 29, 2010, 10:33:41 AM
Drill bit? Isn't that a thing you have to put into a powered tool i do not own? To be operated by someone actually capable of drilling a straight hole?  :lol


I mentioned the need for a new set of pedals to my wife  :D ... didn't work out as intended (http://www.treffpunkt-diesesundjenes.de/forum/images/smilies/smilies3/hau.gif)

Certainly there is a neighbor that could do it?   :D

Or..   ask the Frau for the money for a drill.  Convince her of "all the things" you could fix around the house  :)
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: FLS on November 29, 2010, 10:44:03 AM
Did you try contacting the guy who makes them?
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: FiLtH on November 29, 2010, 10:54:42 AM
 Try a dab of superglue on the head of a pin and see if that will work. Bend the pin in an L shape for leverage. Be careful not to touch the glue to the area other than the broken screw.
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Easyscor on November 29, 2010, 11:32:42 AM
I would have to buy the tools to drill a hole into that very tiny screw too  ;)
No you wouldn't. You can rent one. After all, if you can rent a woman, you can rent anything. ;)

Or have a neighbor who has a drill help you if you're that worried.
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Dr_Death8 on November 29, 2010, 11:36:57 AM
If you have the other end of the screw still available, try using it by pressing against it hard against the broken end. Another thing that you may be able to do is use JB Weld to put the screws back together, just be careful to use a very small amount so it does not push into and connect to the bushing.  :salute
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: SIK1 on November 29, 2010, 12:12:57 PM
Have you tried contacting the manufacturer? They may be able to repair them at little cost to you. Since you are both in Germany shipping shouldn't be
all that bad.

What is the base made out of? If it's aluminum and you are mechanically challenged I would recommend that you leave it alone. An M3 bolt is fairly small and would probably be rather difficult for a neophyte to remove without damaging the base. A good machine shop should be able too repair it at a reasonable cost. I would recommend checking into this first you just might find this is cheaper than shipping it to dhs. Another piece of advice is that if you do give it to a local shop take it apart before you give it to them. Only give them the piece that needs repair, you don't want too chance the electronics or some other part is damaged.

 
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: SPKmes on November 29, 2010, 12:14:40 PM
I think it has been said before but find a local steel fabricator/engineer workshop. for something like that a dozen beer and it will be done...hmmmm that's just a teaser pack I forgot you're from Germany...best make it 2 dozen  :D :lol :lol

Oh yeah and I used to be under the assumption that a torch and hammer fixes all...had work for years. That was till I got a sabresaw...It's the greatest tool ever...I don't think there is anything it can't do  :lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Dichotomy on November 29, 2010, 12:16:03 PM
how's it look in lingerie?
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: sheperd on November 29, 2010, 12:23:49 PM
Have you not heard the phrase 'it's easier to get forgiven than get permission'?  You just go buy them and explain later.   :devil

Dont forget to put it in the closet untill she sees it and then say "this old thing I have had that forever"  :rofl
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Dichotomy on November 29, 2010, 12:25:10 PM
 :rofl
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Wiley on November 29, 2010, 01:26:46 PM
Dont forget to put it in the closet untill she sees it and then say "this old thing I have had that forever"  :rofl

All you young guys take note, this is gold, right here.   :old:  You've got to be careful not to pull this one out too often though or she might get wise.

Wiley.
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Shuffler on November 29, 2010, 01:29:03 PM
I've got an idea......

Find someone who is tool savy and needs a chart made. :D
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Delirium on November 29, 2010, 01:36:56 PM
I like the previous idea of bringing it to a machine shop.

Call around, tell them you'll buy them lunch if they remove the broken bolt for you. With the right tools, it won't take more than 15 minutes.
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: mbailey on November 29, 2010, 04:06:28 PM
All you young guys take note, this is gold, right here.   :old:  You've got to be careful not to pull this one out too often though or she might get wise.

Wiley.

QFT  :aok :aok
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: oTRALFZo on November 29, 2010, 04:56:11 PM
Lusche,
Momma told you if you kept playing with that thing, it would fall off  :D
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Volron on November 29, 2010, 07:08:52 PM
 :rofl This thread owes me a drink. :rofl

Tools? Pffft.  Duct Tape is the handyman's secret weapon.  Now don't be afraid to use a generous amount of it  They are your rudder pedal's you are dealin with. :D
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: bagrat on November 29, 2010, 07:14:17 PM

Just as the game was getting fun again, a screw in my simped pedals broke (after more than 8000 hours AH). I can't remove the part that is stuck. I'm grounded for now  :cry

(http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/3672/kaputt.jpg)


 I fixed mine by drop kicking it into the wall and getting a new 1.
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Lusche on November 30, 2010, 04:40:20 AM
The small size of that screw, combined with the fact that it's sitting deep in that small hole, lack of tools & skillz make fixing it myself not an option.
I just mailed the manufacturer, hoping to be able to get a replacement part. Until then, I'm reduced to flying bombers.


What is the base made out of?  

It's a plastic frame partly filled up with something like chalk (no kidding - it may read flimsy, but the actual construction proved to be very durable)
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: SIK1 on November 30, 2010, 10:22:01 AM
The reason I asked what material the base was made is because soft materials like aluminum, or plastic have a tendency to distort the threads making removing broken bolts more difficult.

Can you tell if the bolt was screwed in, or was it epoxied into place? A lot of times manufacturers use a fluted stud molded, or epoxied into a plastic base. Which will make removing it harder.
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Lusche on November 30, 2010, 10:33:11 AM
Can you tell if the bolt was screwed in, or was it epoxied into place?

I think it's screwed in, but i can't tell for sure.

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3672/kaputt.jpg)

Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Shuffler on November 30, 2010, 12:47:44 PM
I think it's screwed in, but i can't tell for sure.

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3672/kaputt.jpg)



Good pic.... can you put that in chart form for those that confuse easily?  :D
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Lusche on November 30, 2010, 01:01:52 PM
Good pic.... can you put that in chart form for those that confuse easily?  :D


(http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/7237/clipboard01uc.jpg)

 :D
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: SPKmes on November 30, 2010, 01:10:53 PM

(http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/7237/clipboard01uc.jpg)

 :D
:rofl :rofl :rofl

Take it to a engineering workshop...15mins and they'll probably have it out.they would probably have a replacement bolt too
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Shuffler on November 30, 2010, 01:19:14 PM

(http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/7237/clipboard01uc.jpg)

 :D

 :rofl                               :aok
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: SIK1 on November 30, 2010, 01:50:34 PM
 :rofl  :rofl  :aok
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: morfiend on November 30, 2010, 06:58:20 PM
I think it's screwed in, but i can't tell for sure.

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3672/kaputt.jpg)



  It may not be screwed in Lusche,it could be press fit. It does look like a fairly simple repair,I'd beg,borrow or steal a drill and just drill it out and use a suitable bolt and nut to make a replacement.

  Yes,I understand you think your not mechanically inclided but I'd need to see a chart to get an idea to what extent. :devil


   :salute

  PS: try the local school,could be a good teaching lesson for a Tech class.
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: 68ZooM on November 30, 2010, 07:53:05 PM

(http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/7237/clipboard01uc.jpg)

 :D

I see more room for Profit in the Broken Pedals portion of your Chart, after futher review the board has decided that the Broken Pedals must reach 1.2 on the Chart we recommend a 5lb Hammer to reach our goal of 1.2  :D
Title: Re: I'm fed up? No, quite the opposite!
Post by: Lusche on December 01, 2010, 12:35:45 AM
I just got the reply email by Gunter Hofmann from dhs electronic, the manufacturer of Simped

He offered me a repair and compete overhaul.

For free. I just have cover the shipping costs.


For some pedals I bought 5 years ago for ~ 190$ and went through the wear & tear of more than 40,000 sorties and more than 8,000 hours of heavy abuse.  :joystick:

Ain't that freaking cool?  :x :banana:
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: SPKmes on December 01, 2010, 12:37:27 AM
That is' freakin cool....
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: R 105 on December 01, 2010, 07:37:26 AM
There is a company worth doing business with. Good for them.
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Dichotomy on December 01, 2010, 07:50:48 AM
Snail

Chart  :rofl :rofl :rofl

That company  :aok

got a website for them?  Sounds like folks I wouldn't mind considering doing business with if my CH craps out
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Lusche on December 01, 2010, 07:53:51 AM
got a website for them?  Sounds like folks I wouldn't mind considering doing business with if my CH craps out


http://www.dhs-electronic.de/
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Dichotomy on December 01, 2010, 07:54:43 AM
thanks
Title: Re: I'm fed up? No, quite the opposite!
Post by: GuyNoir on December 01, 2010, 08:51:12 AM
For some pedals I bought 5 years ago for ~ 190$ and went through the wear & tear of more than 40,000 sorties and more than 8,000 hours of heavy abuse.  :joystick:

I've had mine since 2001 (coincidentally, when I first tried Aces High!) and they're still A-OK!  :aok  I wonder if that has anything to do with them using magnets and a spring instead of potentiometers?

A++ Would buy again!  (if they'd ever break)
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: SWkiljoy on December 01, 2010, 09:35:04 AM
Or have a neighbor who has a drill help you if you're that worried.
I don't think Lusche is allowed in public... Nerds that high on the scale best stay inside when possible...   :bolt:    :t
Title: Re: I'm fed up? No, quite the opposite!
Post by: SIK1 on December 01, 2010, 10:36:02 AM
I just got the reply email by Gunter Hofmann from dhs electronic, the manufacturer of Simped

He offered me a repair and compete overhaul.

For free. I just have cover the shipping costs.


For some pedals I bought 5 years ago for ~ 190$ and went through the wear & tear of more than 40,000 sorties and more than 8,000 hours of heavy abuse.  :joystick:

Ain't that freaking cool?  :x :banana:

That is cool.  :cheers:

It's nice too see companies that stand behind their products.  :aok
Now, as soon as I can come up with the money I'm buying a set.  :D
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: greens on December 01, 2010, 08:21:53 PM
snail, ud be screwed up if u broke a suspension bolt or any other bolt on a snowmachine out in the wilderness in alaskas bush in -20F weather  :banana:  :aok
Title: Re: I'm fed up? No, quite the opposite!
Post by: Seafit on December 02, 2010, 10:39:16 AM
I've had mine since 2001 (coincidentally, when I first tried Aces High!) and they're still A-OK!  :aok  I wonder if that has anything to do with them using magnets and a spring instead of potentiometers?

A++ Would buy again!  (if they'd ever break)

May I ask are your set USB or the Gameport version?
I have a gameport set but I've been unable to get them working under Win7(64) with any USB converter so far.
Thanks

Title: Re: I'm fed up? No, quite the opposite!
Post by: GuyNoir on December 03, 2010, 08:24:44 AM
May I ask are your set USB or the Gameport version?
I have a gameport set but I've been unable to get them working under Win7(64) with any USB converter so far.
Thanks

Yeah, unfortunately I got the gameport set, too (probably should've been more forward thinking back then... think it was only like 10 more bucks for the usb  :o).

I've had a usb converter for as long as I can remember, though, and it works under Win7(64)... Unfortunately, I'm not at home and I'm going out of town for the weekend, so I can't check to see what it is exactly or take photos, but I think I might have bought it DHS Electronic as well?   :headscratch:

Sorry, I'll have to get back to you on that...

Title: Re: I'm fed up? No, quite the opposite!
Post by: Seafit on December 03, 2010, 08:26:44 AM
Yeah, unfortunately I got the gameport set, too (probably should've been more forward thinking back then... think it was only like 10 more bucks for the usb  :o).

I've had a usb converter for as long as I can remember, though, and it works under Win7(64)... Unfortunately, I'm not at home and I'm going out of town for the weekend, so I can't check to see what it is exactly or take photos, but I think I might have bought it DHS Electronic as well?   :headscratch:

Sorry, I'll have to get back to you on that...



Thanks that would be a great help.
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: GuyNoir on December 08, 2010, 08:31:48 AM
Hey Seafit, sorry about the lag...  Apparently I bought the converter from Radioshack in around 2002, maybe?  Here're some photos if you want to try to track it down:

(http://i.imgur.com/ZD1Yb.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/TJGmk.jpg)
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Babalonian on December 08, 2010, 07:02:02 PM

(http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/7237/clipboard01uc.jpg)

 :D

ROFLMFAO!!!
Title: Re: I'm fed up!
Post by: Seafit on December 11, 2010, 11:04:43 AM
Hey Seafit, sorry about the lag...  Apparently I bought the converter from Radioshack in around 2002, maybe?  Here're some photos if you want to try to track it down:



Fantastic, there is hope for me then. I'm off for a browse of Radioshack gear.
Thanks again for this, after using the pedals for years I just can't use a twisty stick any more.
Cheers
Seafit