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Title: ..and in other news: twin engine electric airplane sets speed record!
Post by: dtango on December 01, 2010, 04:48:39 PM
...at 162 mph!

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/12/electric-airplane-sets-new-speed-record/

(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2010/12/fwztu_ip03-660x505.png)

EADS Cri Cri

2 x 15 HP electric engines
375 lbs of aircraft

Endurance: 30 min of autonomous flight, 15 min for aerobatic flight.  Heck 15 min is all that's needed for base defense stall fighting  :D!
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Post by: Pigslilspaz on December 03, 2010, 03:55:32 AM
I want one...
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Post by: bozon on December 03, 2010, 06:42:15 AM
OMG Sylar is flying it!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Gabriel_Gray.jpg)
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Post by: Tupac on December 03, 2010, 12:06:49 PM
OMG Sylar is flying it!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/Gabriel_Gray.jpg)

I though he looked more like Michael phelps
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Post by: MachFly on December 03, 2010, 12:52:33 PM
This reminds me of:

"never ever never drive a car that you are taller than when you are siting in that it is long" Jeremy Clarkson
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Post by: Larry on December 05, 2010, 02:09:33 AM
It looks like one of those little clown cars.
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Post by: Melvin on December 05, 2010, 02:33:09 AM
It looks like one of those little clown cars.

How many Muppets will come crawling out upon landing?  :rofl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKULi72yUko&feature=related

You may be awesome pile-its, but your name is ridiculous. Therefore, I will use any excuse to show that clip.  :neener:

<S> Melvin

Edit: Neat plane by the way.
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Post by: W7LPNRICK on December 05, 2010, 04:00:04 PM
I a few years the entire top skin will be solar cells, or battery cells and in daylight will fly for hours.  :airplane:
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Post by: EagleDNY on December 05, 2010, 04:48:40 PM
I a few years the entire top skin will be solar cells, or battery cells and in daylight will fly for hours.  :airplane:

I don't think so - 30Hp = about 22Kw of electrical power - solar cells for 22Kw would cover a large portion of the roof of a building.  The surface area of that little plane just won't cut it.  It's been a little while since I needed to buy panels, but the commercial panels were running about 15w / square foot (although the super expensive panels would do about twice that).
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Post by: Serenity on December 05, 2010, 05:18:54 PM
I don't think so - 30Hp = about 22Kw of electrical power - solar cells for 22Kw would cover a large portion of the roof of a building.  The surface area of that little plane just won't cut it.  It's been a little while since I needed to buy panels, but the commercial panels were running about 15w / square foot (although the super expensive panels would do about twice that).


That's why it's gonna take a few years ;)
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Post by: dtango on December 05, 2010, 05:59:15 PM
I don't think so - 30Hp = about 22Kw of electrical power - solar cells for 22Kw would cover a large portion of the roof of a building.  The surface area of that little plane just won't cut it.  It's been a little while since I needed to buy panels, but the commercial panels were running about 15w / square foot (although the super expensive panels would do about twice that).

There certainly are limitations.  However this electric aircraft powered by solar cells was aloft for 26 hours :).

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-20017420-76.html

(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2010/09/23/solar-impulse-siwss-flight2.png)
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Post by: DERK13 on December 05, 2010, 07:55:33 PM
I a few years the entire top skin will be solar cells, or battery cells and in daylight will fly for hours.  :airplane:
i think the weight to lift ratio would be a big prob, solar panels are heavy. but anyways what happens when you run outta BATTERIES!!
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Post by: W7LPNRICK on December 05, 2010, 11:28:03 PM
I don't think so - 30Hp = about 22Kw of electrical power - solar cells for 22Kw would cover a large portion of the roof of a building.  The surface area of that little plane just won't cut it.  It's been a little while since I needed to buy panels, but the commercial panels were running about 15w / square foot (although the super expensive panels would do about twice that).

Yes I know. Our Ham radio repeater up at 8400ft here in Idaho have very large solar cells, which cover with snow then the wind turbine kicks in and all this only powers a 100 watt repeater with a couple smaller link radios and an aprs digipeater, But intent was as fast as things are improving & new discoveries theirs no telling what we'll have in a few years. Our solar cells today are far more efficient then the ones in the 70's, thinner, lighter, etc. Would be cool if it could recharge or just maintain current for a longer flight.
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Post by: W7LPNRICK on December 05, 2010, 11:28:57 PM
That's why it's gonna take a few years ;)

Thanks...I should read all before commenting.  :salute
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Post by: W7LPNRICK on December 05, 2010, 11:32:44 PM
There certainly are limitations.  However this electric aircraft powered by solar cells was aloft for 26 hours :).

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-20017420-76.html

(http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2010/09/23/solar-impulse-siwss-flight2.png)

I knew I had seen this. But the motors are very low wattage and it definitely a low powered glider, but very cool anyway.
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Post by: W7LPNRICK on December 05, 2010, 11:36:56 PM
i think the weight to lift ratio would be a big prob, solar panels are heavy. but anyways what happens when you run outta BATTERIES!!

Actually the now make solar panels that roll up like a poster and are very thin and intended for portable us. Some Ham radio operators like to do what we call QRP (Low Power) work. They'll take a compact radio, a small gel cell battery, throw a wire up in the tree and talk around the world. These thin lightweight solar panels fit in a back pack very well.
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Post by: dtango on December 06, 2010, 12:31:57 PM
I knew I had seen this. But the motors are very low wattage and it definitely a low powered glider, but very cool anyway.

The Solar Impulse has 4 x 10 HP electric motors for a total of 40 HP, 10 more than the Cri Cri I posted.  As a comparison for how many solar cells you might need, the Solar Impulse has a wing area for 2,200 ft^2 with 11,628 photovoltaic cells.  Of course the Solar Impulse is designed to stay aloft 36 hours too (9 hours of it in the dark!) :) so you probably would need considerably less for something like the Cri Cri.
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Post by: VonMessa on December 06, 2010, 12:36:10 PM
The Cri Cri has been around for a while.

They've used chain saw engines (oops I mean Rotax's  :D  )  for a while.

I saw this coming for a while now as it has been the buzz in the EAA magazines that I receive.

Unless they perfect this in a larger HP before I am ready for an engine, I'll just stick with a Lycoming, Subaru, or Mazda rotary for now :)
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Post by: Stoney on December 06, 2010, 01:00:20 PM
The Cri Cri has been around for a while.

They've used chain saw engines (oops I mean Rotax's  :D  )  for a while.

I saw this coming for a while now as it has been the buzz in the EAA magazines that I receive.

Unless they perfect this in a larger HP before I am ready for an engine, I'll just stick with a Lycoming, Subaru, or Mazda rotary for now :)

What are you building?
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Post by: DERK13 on December 06, 2010, 02:41:34 PM
Actually the now make solar panels that roll up like a poster and are very thin and intended for portable us. Some Ham radio operators like to do what we call QRP (Low Power) work. They'll take a compact radio, a small gel cell battery, throw a wire up in the tree and talk around the world. These thin lightweight solar panels fit in a back pack very well.
OH thats a new one
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Post by: VonMessa on December 06, 2010, 02:49:18 PM
What are you building?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrows_Bearhawk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrows_Bearhawk)



http://mykitlog.com/VonMessa (http://mykitlog.com/VonMessa)
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Post by: Stoney on December 06, 2010, 02:54:01 PM
Very nice--keep us posted!
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Post by: VonMessa on December 06, 2010, 02:59:49 PM
Very nice--keep us posted!

As soon as I can stop making crap for the Wrangler  :)

The Cri Cri was actually on my list of why I was considering but the wife didn't want something she couldn't fit into (ie had to be at least 2-place)

Also it seemed like one has to be shoe-horned out of those things  :)
Title: Re: ..and in other news: twin engine electric airplane sets speed record!
Post by: dtango on December 07, 2010, 05:42:00 PM
More electric plane news...a DIY version this time...

Sonex Waiex takes flight...

(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2010/12/N270DC_First_Flight_0536-660x435.jpg)


Wired:
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/12/new-diy-electric-airplane-takes-flight/

EAA Site:
http://www.eaa.org/news/2010/2010-12-03_Waiex_First2.asp

Powerplant: 54 kW (72.4 HP) brushless DC motor
Battery: 14.5 kW/hr lithium battery

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Post by: VonMessa on December 07, 2010, 06:54:40 PM
More electric plane news...a DIY version this time...

Sonex Waiex takes flight...

(http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2010/12/N270DC_First_Flight_0536-660x435.jpg)


Wired:
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/12/new-diy-electric-airplane-takes-flight/

EAA Site:
http://www.eaa.org/news/2010/2010-12-03_Waiex_First2.asp

Powerplant: 54 kW (72.4 HP) brushless DC motor
Battery: 14.5 kW/hr lithium battery



Before I decided on the Bearhawk, it was a toss-up between the Rand KR2 or the Sonex.  I went with the Bearhawk because of the cargo capacity and I wanted a decent and comfy cross-country a/c.
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Post by: BaDkaRmA158Th on December 08, 2010, 03:19:18 AM
It must be odd for a pilot, going from gas to electric, in gas as you fly your plane, it gets lighter and performs better, i imagine not ever loosing any weight over time,but loss of power* "like all battery's do" would be a major setback to any truly long flights.


Still cool tho.
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Post by: VonMessa on December 08, 2010, 04:02:09 AM
It must be odd for a pilot, going from gas to electric, in gas as you fly your plane, it gets lighter and performs better, i imagine not ever loosing any weight over time,but loss of power* "like all battery's do" would be a major setback to any truly long flights.


Still cool tho.

Hybrid would be cool.  Kinda like the ME 163's had that little spinner in the front that spins the generator for the electrical system  :aok