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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: cooldued on December 07, 2010, 09:51:56 PM
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what is the best spit? In everyone's opinion, what do you think it is and why?
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what is the best spit? In everyone's opinion, what do you think it is and why?
I like the 9 or the 8, they are great planes to fly without being a complete dweeb and flying the 16
I prefer the 9 for some unknown reason....maybe because it is 1 more than 8
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The Spit XII. Cause it is :)
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A dead one. When that 30mm tears that once elegant fighter into pieces and flame i feel a little tingle in a special place.
Achtung Schpitfire
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A good spit is when none of it dribbles down your chin when you let it fly :neener:
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in game... that would be spit 8
its got power of spit 16, extended range of spit14, and the turnability of spit 9
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The few have always been fond of the pink ones! Gotta take their word for it, they're the Brits!
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A good spit is when none of it dribbles down your chin when you let it fly :neener:
and hopefully downwind!
:salute
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The best spit typically looks like this
(http://gallery.nen.gov.uk/gallery_images/0902/0000/0014/dunkirk_12_medium_mid.jpg)
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The best spit typically looks like this
(http://gallery.nen.gov.uk/gallery_images/0902/0000/0014/dunkirk_12_medium_mid.jpg)
:aok
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Of the spits in game the best clearly is the 16 but I prefer the 5 or 9 personaly.
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9 all the way.
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The 8 but the 14 is pretty fun.
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(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s35/68zoom/FW190.gif)
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16 and 9. But the 9 owns 16 all day long in a turn fight.
spit 1 is a fun little plane. Its like riding around on a big wheel throwing rocks at passing cars. Does nothing more than piss them off. But its fun to see their reaction
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the best spitfire is the one that people hate the most, because after you shoot them down in it, you have lots to post in the funny pm screen shots thread :devil
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You stole my line you female dog you............ :mad:
A dead one.
Although it should be..... is a dead Spit. :uhoh
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The 8 but the 14 is pretty fun.
QFT :aok
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I fly the 8 a lot, but my real girl is the 5.
<S> Oz
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14 is teh best! I'm sure I'm the only one in AH2 would thinks this way.
It does take time and perks to learn, but when you finally learn it it will the best best thing out there.
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in game... that would be spit 8
its got power of spit 16, extended range of spit14, and the turnability of spit 9
Spit 14 has extended range? :huh
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Spit 14 has extended range? :huh
He's saying it has more range.
<S>
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He's saying it has more range.
<S>
Which is exactly what made be go :huh
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XIV has great range if you fly it "by the book." RTFM! ;)
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XIV has great range if you fly it "by the book." RTFM! ;)
So does the IX, the XVI, and so on. ;)
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it works so much better though in the XIV - the griffon has alot more torque at lower rpms than the merlin ...
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Which is exactly what made be go :huh
Your idea has been the stupidiest sinch warcraft. kill my late night opp.
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it works so much better though in the XIV - the griffon has alot more torque at lower rpms than the merlin ...
Under "Max Cruise" settings, the Spit 9 and Spit 14 have almost the exact same range at full internal . The higher cruise speed of the 14 is completely neutralized by the higher fuel consumption.
Your idea has been the stupidiest sinch warcraft. kill my late night opp.
Fascinating contribution to a Spitfire thread. But a logical extension of your nonsense ramblings on 200 a few hours ago. :aok
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Spit 14 has extended range? :huh
It has as much fuel as the spit8 but it burns it fast so you have to use cruse setting very often and cruse at the right altitudes, the cruse speed is also high. I don't remember a single time when I could not get somewhere and stay in a fight for a long time because of the fuel.
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what is the best spit? In everyone's opinion, what do you think it is and why?
i dunno what the best one is, but i had one helluva fun time in a spit1 last night.
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in game... that would be spit 8
its got power of spit 16, extended range of spit14, and the turnability of spit 9
Well I would say almost the power of a 16, almost the turnability of a 9, and a bit more range than the 14.
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It has as much fuel as the spit8 but it burns it fast so you have to use cruse setting very often and cruse at the right altitudes. I don't remember a single time when I could not get somewhere and stay in a fight for a long time because of the fuel.
Full internal, the 8 has 149 gal, the 14 has 133 gal.
And using cruise settings will still give you no "extended" range over the 9, if you chose to fly the latter one the same way. You can take the 9 to altitude and bring back RPM & throttle too.
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Full internal, the 8 has 149 gal, the 14 has 133 gal.
And using cruise settings will still give you no "extended" range over the 9, if you chose to fly the latter one the same way.
When I said that I meant 100% + drop, and yes your right the bottom fuel tank is smalled on the 14. If you cruse at the right altitude you will get pretty far, 9 might be able to do it but it would take really long.
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When I said that I mean 100% + drop, and yes your right the bottom fuel tank is smalled on the 14. If you cruse at the right altitude you will get pretty far, 9 might be able to do it but it would take really long.
At Max cruise, the 14 is only about 9% faster than the 9, but has less flight time. Not only is the flown distance the same in both planes, but that 9% speed difference is hardly noticeable: The distance you cover in 5 minutes in a Spit 14 takes you only about 30 seconds longer in a Spit 9. Hardly what I would call "really long" ;)
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At Max cruise, the 14 is only about 7% faster than the 9, but has less flight time. Not only is the flown distance the same in both planes, but that 7% speed difference is hardly noticeable: The distance you cover in 5 minutes in a Spit 14 takes you only about 20-30 seconds longer in a Spit 9. Hardly what I would call "really long" ;)
You really calculated to cruise speed to 7%? How exactly did you get that number? I mean I don't even know the exact cruse speed. (just curious)
30 seconds can make a big different and note that I never said "really long range". I just said that it's perfectly enough for me.
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You really calculated to cruise speed to 7%? How exactly did you get that number? (just curious)
I have actually tested all that stuff. Just like, for example, I could tell you all climb times to various altitudes from 5-30k for all different fuel & bomb loadout configurations in a B-17 ;)
note that I never said "really long range". I just said that it's perfectly enough for me.
Note that I was never saying "you can't fly a long distance / long time in a XIV. If you read my initial statements, You will see that I'm just opposing the notion that the 14 has "extended range" compared to the other Spits, because that is what has been stated. ;)
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I have actually tested all that stuff.
wow.....well on 2nd thoughts hearing this from a guy who always make thous cool charts I should not be surprised.
Would you mind giving me a copy of a numbers you collected (for the speeds that is)? I would really appreciated it.
Just like, for example, I could tell you all climb times to various altitudes from 5-30k for all different fuel & bomb loadout configurations in a B-17 ;)
I assume you have thous memorized to the decimals of a seconds :D
Note that I was never saying "you can't fly a long distance / long time in a XIV. If you read my initial statemnts, You will see that I'm just opposing the notion that the 14 has "extended range" compared to the other Spits, because that is what has been stated. ;)
Right :) :noid :bolt:
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Hey snail didn't you post these in a chart one time? Someone did and I have a copy of it somewhere packed in all my stuff, I'll look for it and if I can find the right box I will repost it.
SALUTE
ab8aac/dmdchief/aac
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Under "Max Cruise" settings, the Spit 9 and Spit 14 have almost the exact same range at full internal . The higher cruise speed of the 14 is completely neutralized by the higher fuel consumption.
true, but AH's max cruise settings are very different from the book's recommended method for cruise. eg. climb full power to 15k, book cruise at 320ish - the IX wont get close to the 50mins the XIV gets.
edit: by the book method I mean adjust the rpms at full throttle to get the desired boost.
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While I am not really a Spit pilot. I do like the Spit 9 best. I have had problems in the Spit 14. I have had some strange stalls in it and would need a lot of time in it to get use to the thing. The Spit 1 is by far the funnest to fly and I have got kills in it. The Spitfire may be one of the prettiest fighter of the war.
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wow.....well on 2nd thoughts hearing this from a guy who always make thous cool charts I should not be surprised.
Would you mind giving me a copy of a numbers you collected (for the speeds that is)? I would really appreciated it.
No, I will not do that.
Because if I did, you would notice that I didn't read my own chart closely enough. You would notice that it's not 7% but 70 (mph) speed difference (@20k). You would notice that my claim in this threat and my own records do not match. You would notice that thus the XIV has indeed -at altitude- a significant range advantage.
You would notice I made a complete donkey out of myself in this thread.
This I can not allow :noid
(And there went my credibility.... *sigh* back to reading school for me :o)
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Hmm nobody said Seafire. Not that I am, since I don't really fly Spits....
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Because if I did, you would notice that I didn't read my own chart closely enough. You would notice that it's not 7% but 70 (mph) speed difference (@20k). You would notice that my claim in this threat and my own records do not match. You would notice that thus the XIV has indeed -at altitude- a significant range advantage.
You would notice I made a complete donkey out of myself in this thread.
Precisely! I knew something was wrong. :old:
It's all good, we all make mistakes, well most of us anyways. :noid
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Hmm nobody said Seafire. Not that I am, since I don't really fly Spits....
a seafire is simply a spitfire with a tailhook
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a seafire is simply a spitfire with a tailhook
I would classify it as a Spit5 with a tailhook and a lot of extra weight.
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8 for me. Just because it's what I spent most of my first year in
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8 for me. Just because it's what I spent most of my first year in
i spent most of my first years in the hurricane. would probably explain why i sucked in the spit1 last night, and kicked bellybutton in the hurri1. :devil
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not to jack but I keep winding up stuck in German planes this week *shrug* such is life
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spit 8 and 9
8 has way more fuel for MA use but rolls slower than the 9
16 is great with 3 bombs for base defence.
All amazing aircraft a joy to behold and fly. AT the hands of a master stick they are truly unstoppable and piss over everyone else with great joy.
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not to jack but I keep winding up stuck in German planes this week *shrug* such is life
i almost was gonna switch, as sides were uneven...but they evened out......as usual, i'm always willing to keep sides even by switching....
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Spit 1 is the best.
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I love thie Spit 8 the mostestess. However I love watching Peppr maul all you pilets in her Pink 9 the bestestess. She giggles when she kills you, awesome.
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The 8 and 9 are in the lead. (I think)
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My favorite spit is the V ... I did spend a bit of time in the IX when I first started out but now prefer the V
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Of the spits in game the best clearly is the 16 but I prefer the 5 or 9 personaly.
+1
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SpitV is great. up, land a few kills, repeat...
Spit14 is my favorite spit actually because people dont expect much from it even though it can out do a P51 at alt easily and fight 1 on 1 with it on the deck and still possibly take it out. compared to the other spits though the 14 succumbs to them at lower alts but rips them apart at higher elevations. In a sense im an alt dweeb :D
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if the spit pilot is good the 16 give me the most problems in my k4. The only advantage I have is that I can dump e faster and possible regain it slightly faster... other than that.. its a very rough fight.
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The Spit XIV is great fun when flown according to the historical pilots notes, with particular attention to boost settings:
- bottom tank for takeoff
- maximum of +7 boost to avoid tire wear :-) on takeoff
- +12 boost up to 1000 feet, then set to +9.
- at 2000 feet switch to external tank
- +9 boost in the climb to prefered altitude, fly at 12k-17k or 21k+, as between about 19-21000 feet the supercharger will need to change gears (boost pressure drops rapidlyaround 20k)
- continuous power i.e. flying level, set to +7 boost
- if you need to conserve fuel, set +7 boost and lower the RPM until a stable 200 mph cruise.
- avoid full boost (+12) unless in combat and dont use WEP for more than a few minutes at a time (+18 boost chews the fuel and overheats the motor quickly)
Using the above settings, I have flown for a very long time, long enough to escort bombers on the climb, engage interceptors, return to formation and escort them home. Seemed like an hour.
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what is the best spit? In everyone's opinion, what do you think it is and why?
The one Leviathn or Drex is in. No one else comes close.
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spit 8 and 9
Yeah even an average pilot can fly those things effectively. Especially the 8. I can outclimb the 1, 5 and the 9, outscissor the 16, simply outmaneuver the 14, but the 8 is just unstoppable.
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The best Spitfire in my opinion is the one with a 109 on his tail.
perdweeb
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The Spit XIV is great fun when flown according to the historical pilots notes, with particular attention to boost settings:
- bottom tank for takeoff
- maximum of +7 boost to avoid tire wear :-) on takeoff
- +12 boost up to 1000 feet, then set to +9.
- at 2000 feet switch to external tank
- +9 boost in the climb to prefered altitude, fly at 12k-17k or 21k+, as between about 19-21000 feet the supercharger will need to change gears (boost pressure drops rapidlyaround 20k)
- continuous power i.e. flying level, set to +7 boost
- if you need to conserve fuel, set +7 boost and lower the RPM until a stable 200 mph cruise.
- avoid full boost (+12) unless in combat and dont use WEP for more than a few minutes at a time (+18 boost chews the fuel and overheats the motor quickly)
Using the above settings, I have flown for a very long time, long enough to escort bombers on the climb, engage interceptors, return to formation and escort them home. Seemed like an hour.
sounds about right! :aok
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The best Spitfire in my opinion is the one with a 109 on his tail.
you got it on the head :lol
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The best Spitfire in my opinion is the one with a 109 on his tail.
perdweeb
Wrong, the best spit is the one with the tater in the wing.
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Best spit? IMO, whichever one I can shoot down.
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outscissor the 16
Everything else being equal, 8 will never out-scissor 16
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Everything else being equal, 8 will never out-scissor 16
8 has larger wing area, slower stall speed. So i think it can outscissor the 16 (not outroll, but overshoot, like a corsair). Im a 109 g-6 pilot, and i can beat the 16 is scissors, but the 8/9 is pretty much a harder nut.
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8 has larger wing area, slower stall speed.
8 is also heavier few 100s lbs (empty weight). From my own tests, stall speed is about the same (2-3mph error)
So i think it can outscissor the 16 (not outroll, but overshoot, like a corsair). Im a 109 g-6 pilot, and i can beat the 16 is scissors, but the 8/9 is pretty much a harder nut.
That's probably due to special circumstances like pilot skill, loads, etc.
Mk VIII can't out-scissor Mk XVI if everything else is equal.
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Im a 109 g-6 pilot, and i can beat the 16 is scissors, but the 8/9 is pretty much a harder nut.
you were able to because the spit retains e better, thus you dumped your e faster without realizing it, and the spit pulled in front.
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you were able to because the spit retains e better, thus you dumped your e faster without realizing it, and the spit pulled in front.
That was my goal, to dump energy as fast as possible, and overshoot the spit. Being careful, not to be roped though. I found that it is the best tactic against spits, overshoot in scissors as the g-6 cant outturn, outroll, or outclimb them. Im a nooblet tho, i may be wrong.
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16 and 9. But the 9 owns 16 all day long in a turn fight.
spit 1 is a fun little plane. Its like riding around on a big wheel throwing rocks at passing cars. Does nothing more than piss them off. But its fun to see their reaction
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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That was my goal, to dump energy as fast as possible, and overshoot the spit. Being careful, not to be roped though. I found that it is the best tactic against spits, overshoot in scissors as the g-6 cant outturn, outroll, or outclimb them. Im a nooblet tho, i may be wrong.
The trick is to get them to fight rolling to the left. In a 109, you can use the engine to roll and do it at or below stall speeds.. giving you a very tight turn at the top. you can also kick right rudder, pull back on the stick some and yaw the plane as its stalling, kinda like a controlled flat spin, which will allow you to change your noses placement like nothing else (WARNING: it blows e like nothing else too). It becomes impossible though when there are more than one con fighting you, esp if the rest are taking turns trying to pick you because when you get slow, your prime meat for pickers. Your better off in a g14/k4, at least then you have some speed adv over the spits and instead setup reversals, go for the snapshot, then extend, never getting too slow.
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The best Spitfire in my opinion is the one with a 109 on his tail.
perdweeb
Wrong, the best spit is the one with the tater in the wing.
Sounds like you guys have very hard time with spitfires :neener:
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The best spitfire... Spit MkVc!!! :D
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the best spit:
Spitfire Mk. XVI.........
......when it's being torn to shreds by the 4 .50 cals in my lovely FM-2
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Under 12k fights i'd take a spit 8 any higher and i'd want a spit 9, due to the Merlin types they carry.
I'm not too keen on the 16, as I always thought it had a true bubble canopy in the real world and ours doesn't. Spit 14 is always fun with it's acceleration and ability to out turn itself, but spending perks on it and it's ugly long nose... *scoffs*
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I fear a spit 8 above all others. Simply because I have found the truly talented spit sticks fly the 8 (the 9 as a close second). You normally don't find inexperienced sticks in an 8.
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I like the Spit9, pink one at that.
One note, if you choose to fight the Spit16 while flying the Spit9 do not go verticle. The Spit16 will outdo the Spit9 in about two verticle turns. I learned this the hard way against Micky D about a month ago. I'm still annoyed at that but hey...gotta learn somehow and the hard way is the best. I think.
Boo
Loose Deuce
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Spit 14 all the way. Its the hardest to fly IMO. Plus, its a good one for running down alt monkeys.
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The Spit16 is the best. It can do it all. It is the womder plane of AH.
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Spit MkIX.
To me the best tactical all-around Spit unless I need to bomb something, then I roll out the MkVIII.
:salute
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the best spit:
Spitfire Mk. XVI.........
......when it's being torn to shreds by the 4 .50 cals in my lovely FM-2
:rock :rock :rock wait you got that for me oh well :rock
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Under 12k fights i'd take a spit 8 any higher and i'd want a spit 9, due to the Merlin types they carry.
I'm not too keen on the 16, as I always thought it had a true bubble canopy in the real world and ours doesn't. Spit 14 is always fun with it's acceleration and ability to out turn itself, but spending perks on it and it's ugly long nose... *scoffs*
You may not realize this: The spit9 was a higher altitude FTH, but the spit8/16 have a higher boost level. The spit9 is slower than the 8/16 at all alts up to 27k, and then it's only about 10-15mph faster.
It also (for whatever reason?) has a worse turning radius than both the 8/16. It's not worth it. There is no advantage to be had against the other planes.
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Okay, to refocus a bit....
I'm flying the Spit 9 right now and having a lot of fun with it. What are the advantages/disadvantages to trying the Spit 8? Also, I flew the Seafire for a few hops today, and it seems to stall out a lot easier than the 9. Why is that, pray tell?
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Okay, to refocus a bit....
I'm flying the Spit 9 right now and having a lot of fun with it. What are the advantages/disadvantages to trying the Spit 8? Also, I flew the Seafire for a few hops today, and it seems to stall out a lot easier than the 9. Why is that, pray tell?
Spitfire VIII will be faster and climb better at altitudes below about 25,000ft. It has more fuel and thus longer endurance. It is, however, a bit heavier.
Seafire Mk II is a navalized Spitfire Mk Vc, and thus has a less powerful engine than the Mk IX. It is also heavier than a Spitfire Mk Vc due to the naval gear.