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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JOACH1M on December 13, 2010, 07:18:25 PM
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F3 mode! Big load of BS!! Let's get in a il2 and fly f3 mode the while time and blast taters on deflection shot that can never be made :furious
Flame it up
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any deflection shot that can be made, well.........can be made. F3? Ya its cheezy. If it was up to me there would be no outside view ever. Exceptions exist. For instance, a tank commander can unbutton or button up. This means he can open his hatch when he feels like being a target for a sniper, or get back inside where its more safe, less unsafe. Same can be said for any tank crewman that had a hatch. But planes? no outisde views for those guys.....unless of course the pilot was out in the open. That is to say, flying a plane that had no canopy. But even then....he is in a sense buttoned up, seatbelted in so to speak.
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Sounds like someone got GHI'ed :lol
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Sounds like someone got GHI'ed :lol
:rofl
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All the talk about F3 mode for gunning?? Frankly I think it is overstated personally. I have yet to meet any one who says they fly it & can hit targets with that mode.
I know I certainly can't.
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Wait just one second.... You're whining about killing bad guys?
Really?
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All the talk about F3 mode for gunning?? Frankly I think it is overstated personally. I have yet to meet any one who says they fly it & can hit targets with that mode.
I know I certainly can't.
me either.. other than some SA possibly, I cant see how it helps.
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Yup someone got hit by an IL-2 tater. Once you figure out his one major move in that plane its not so bad.
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The IL-2 has been available with F3 mode for a very long time unless it was un-done
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GHI.....get some alt wait for someone to dive in....push stick forward chop throttle.....let plane pass....pull up and shoot in the butt
I think its very gamey but it does help when Jokers are vulching bases with CV planes, trust me GHI has gotten some of his own move :aok
F3 mode! Big load of BS!! Let's get in a il2 and fly f3 mode the while time and blast taters on deflection shot that can never be made :furious
Flame it up
You ever fly an IL2? It does have pretty good field of view in the front when you page up and add a large rudder its a beast at snapshots
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forget it. ;) It don't amount to a hill of beans.
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F3 mode is not gonna change, but the IL-2's spray n praying could be. Take a look at this thread:http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,300921.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,300921.0.html)
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It's kinda reticules some one can hit me when the on my 8 o'clock 1000 out and im doin 460 mph in my
262 and he can just blast taters ad hit me
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Jo, did you get Ghi-ed? :lol
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It's kinda reticules some one can hit me when the on my 8 o'clock 1000 out and im doin 460 mph in my
262 and he can just blast taters ad hit me
I know reticules :frown:
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It's kinda reticules some one can hit me when the on my 8 o'clock 1000 out and im doin 460 mph in my
262 and he can just blast taters ad hit me
:rofl :rofl :rofl yeah that's GHI :D he got my 262 the other day! I typed--> LOL GS G! he replied, (sorry I owe you some perks)! :) At least he said he was sorry :aok
JUGgler
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F3 mode! Big load of BS!! Let's get in a il2 and fly f3 mode the while time and blast taters on deflection shot that can never be made :furious
Flame it up
Oh so that's how Ghi does it. I knew I smelled a rat.
F3 mode in the MA for any vehicle type = Lame. Please remove from game.
thank You
Vinkman :salute
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Can teh Il-2 be flown in the F3 mode or only gunned in F3 mode?
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Oh so that's how Ghi does it. I knew I smelled a rat.
F3 mode in the MA for any vehicle type = Lame. Please remove from game.
thank You
Vinkman :salute
Don't remove it, but say a 1-2 second delay when going from F3 to cockpit and vise versa would be good! And maybe no shooting from F3 also!
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Can teh Il-2 be flown in the F3 mode or only gunned in F3 mode?
It can be flown and shoot while in F3
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But planes? no outisde views for those guys.....unless of course the pilot was out in the open. That is to say, flying a plane that had no canopy. But even then....he is in a sense buttoned up, seatbelted in so to speak.
Now you know why hartman was sooo successful :aok
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It can be flown and shoot while in F3
Ghi stats so far this tour in an IL-2
Il-2 174 3 1 110
I think someone is exploiting the F3 mode to gain advantage in SA when dogfighting the iL-2. Needs to be fixed. that's not the intent or spirit of the game.
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Ghi stats so far this tour in an IL-2
Il-2 174 3 1 110
I think someone is explointing the F3 mode to gain advantage in SA when dogfighting the iL-2. Needs to be fixed. that's not the intent or spirit of the game.
Well fixing it will make vuching less risky, I say NO!
Tweaking it, maybe :aok
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Well fixing it will make vuching less risky, I say NO!
Tweaking it, maybe :aok
Not sure how effective the iL-2's is in preventing "vulching", but that really shouldn't be an excuse for allowing this kind of bastardization of the game principles.
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Jo, did you get Ghi-ed? :lol
U bet
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Can teh Il-2 be flown in the F3 mode or only gunned in F3 mode?
Both
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Can teh Il-2 be flown in the F3 mode or only gunned in F3 mode?
I still say F3 gunning mode is a myth. I have been able to pull off some great shots on passing aircraft always from the pilots seat in an IL-2.
I have gone offline to try & do this in F3 mode & it is near impossible to do on a regular basis. For an entire clip of an IL-2 the best I could do was two aircraft from 400 yards dead 6.
From the pilots seat I nailed 8 from any angle I approached from. Keep in mind these are aircraft just flying in circles. So F3 mode is killing 262's zipping by at jet speeds with a pilot trying to get out of your way? Granted I am not the expert on an IL-2 compared to GHI maybe he can share his thoughts on how he gets it done.
Better still who ever is shooting from F3 mode & landing kills post a video of this. If there are those who are doing it on a regular basis I think it will be a very short list of people who can.
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It's kinda reticules some one can hit me when the on my 8 o'clock 1000 out and im doin 460 mph in my
262 and he can just blast taters ad hit me
You didn't get hit with the "tater" (37mm). You got hit with the 23mm. The Il-2's 23mm in game have
excellent ballistics and I have bagged people at 1k with them. It's a flying wirbelwind.
I'll admit that I frequently shoot and kill from the F3 mode and don't care whether you think it's "gamey"
or not. 95% of the time if you find me in an IL-2 the base is being vultched and the vultchers are getting their just reward. :cheers:
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Vulching, however irritating cannot be described as gamey, if it ever happened, and I doubt it did, chaps taking a field would kill everyone trying to up, rather than allowing them a chance to kill them.
F3 mode is too unrealistic for words. Shouldn't be available anywhere but in the TA.
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I know reticules :frown:
Do you guys mean Ridiculous? :aok
reticules is a small woman's handbag...maybe your referring to a purse fight? :bolt:
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Do you guys mean Ridiculous? :aok
reticules is a small woman's handbag...maybe your referring to a purse fight? :bolt:
I don't spell check and that's an issue lol
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You didn't get hit with the "tater" (37mm). You got hit with the 23mm. The Il-2's 23mm in game have
excellent ballistics and I have bagged people at 1k with them. It's a flying wirbelwind.
The ballistics on the NS-37 are amazing as well, maybe not quite as good as the 23mm shvak but close.
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Do you guys mean Ridiculous? :aok
reticules is a small woman's handbag...maybe your referring to a purse fight? :bolt:
Sarcasm, right over you head, its ok it happens to me as well.
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Do you guys mean Ridiculous? :aok
reticules is a small woman's handbag...maybe your referring to a purse fight? :bolt:
Reticule is the thing you sight with. i.e the sight reticule wth this has to do with handbags is anyone's guess :headscratch: :uhoh
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I have to In a way agree with this post being that I do not know one person that flies the IL2 as a bomber, All the other attack aircraft do not have F3 ability or for that matter a laser gun, The aircraft is pretty much labeled a gamers toy which is why I don't fly it.
Id vote to loos the F3 if we had that vote and feel game play would be better it we lost the hole plane, but after all this is just a game and we are all in a sense gamers so what to do ??
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Reticule is the thing you sight with. i.e the sight reticule wth this has to do with handbags is anyone's guess :headscratch: :uhoh
Hey, hey knows girly stuff ok?
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Sarcasm, right over you head, its ok it happens to me as well.
it takes longer for him because of the mullet thing
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Joach1m for squeak of the year.
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Although you might be right halfway, you must be kidding? :headscratch:
Do you guys mean Ridiculous? :aok
reticules is a small woman's handbag...maybe your referring to a purse fight? :bolt:
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Reticule is the thing you sight with. i.e the sight reticule wth this has to do with handbags is anyone's guess :headscratch: :uhoh
SHawk is right.
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reticule [ˈrɛtɪˌkjuːl]
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1. (Clothing & Fashion) (in the 18th and 19th centuries) a woman's small bag or purse, usually in the form of a pouch with a drawstring and made of net, beading, brocade, etc.
From your brief foray into the FW forums, I bet your reticule is a pretty, frilly thing.
ack-ack
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From your brief foray into the FW forums, I bet your reticule is a pretty, frilly thing.
ack-ack
:rofl :rofl :aok
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IL2 has 0 rear view, give it F3 mode. :aok
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Joach1m for squeak of the year.
Really, ask anyone I don't squeak
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SHawk is right.
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reticule [ˈrɛtɪˌkjuːl]
n
1. (Clothing & Fashion) (in the 18th and 19th centuries) a woman's small bag or purse, usually in the form of a pouch with a drawstring and made of net, beading, brocade, etc.
From your brief foray into the FW forums, I bet your reticule is a pretty, frilly thing.
ack-ack
My mistake i meant reticle, nvm, sincere and humble apologies
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F3 able plane = bombers = big prettythang target. Tater or not, should be able to hit em thing xD. You might just have to be a lil bit more sneakie to get around in, or work em angle til satisfy xD
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I believe the F3 mode should be on bombers only, and the IL2 doesn't have a formation option or a decent bomb loadout. If the IL2 gets F3 mode then so should the Mossie and the 110, in all fairness. I'd rather see the F3 mode removed from the IL2 though, it gets an easy enough time as it is with its turning and mega cannons. It is after all the GVers nightmare.
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LOL I think we better perk Ghi.
Who cares. He's fighting in an IL2 for heaven's sake. If he gets your 262 with all it's advantages over an IL2, that's your problem, not Ghi's.
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LOL I think we better perk Ghi.
Who cares. He's fighting in an IL2 for heaven's sake. If he gets your 262 with all it's advantages over an IL2, that's your problem, not Ghi's.
With that I would say thread should be locked because that pretty much sums it up. Well said.
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perk ghi :rofl :rofl :rofl
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F3 mode is gamey pure and simple. I see no need for it in ANY arena, much less the main arenas. If you need to see the outside of your plane for training purposes we have the film viewer for that.
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Ghi + IL2 + F3 + VOOLCH = Fugi cartoon :devil
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All the other attack aircraft do not have F3 ability
Incorrect!
The following aircraft can be scored as either bomber or attack and they all have F3 ability......
A20
B25
B5N
D3A
Ju87
SBD
TBM
I'd rather see the F3 mode removed from the IL2
What about the list above? Shouldn't F3 mode be removed from these aircraft as well?
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To further clear up any confusion:
There are basically just two types of planes in AH: Fighters and Bombers. Some of them have an additional option to score as "attack", but for example all perks gained go to the planes original category.
And all bombers in AH do have external view,
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I believe the F3 mode should be on bombers only, and the IL2 doesn't have a formation option or a decent bomb loadout. If the IL2 gets F3 mode then so should the Mossie and the 110, in all fairness. I'd rather see the F3 mode removed from the IL2 though, it gets an easy enough time as it is with its turning and mega cannons. It is after all the GVers nightmare.
Formation option? Are you smoking crack or something? The B-25H is a bomber right? Does it have a formation option? The IL2 is slow and doesn't turn on a dime and doesn't have that big of an ammo loadout. Man I hate to see what you would say about a Vader if we ever got one in here! GHI is honorable and has mastered the IL-2 and he reminds me of a guy back in AirWarrior named "Pumar", a Scottish self proclaimed "Haggis Basher", who mastered the mosquito and used to taunt some of the good fighter sticks back in RR2ETO by killing them over and over with that thing. I don't know about the F3 mode as I've never tried it but if the IL2 has it, I say it's a good trade off.
All the Best...
Jay
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LOL I think we better perk Ghi.
Who cares. He's fighting in an IL2 for heaven's sake. If he gets your 262 with all it's advantages over an IL2, that's your problem, not Ghi's.
You got that right Guppy :salute
Perhaps GHI should be perked as we all know that he's a vampire who migrated to Canada from Transylvania. He's deadly, he's cool, and he is a great friend! :aok That sounds like perk material if I ever heard of one.
All the Best...
Jay
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Formation option? Are you smoking crack or something? The B-25H is a bomber right? Does it have a formation option? The IL2 is slow and doesn't turn on a dime and doesn't have that big of an ammo loadout. Man I hate to see what you would say about a Vader if we ever got one in here! GHI is honorable and has mastered the IL-2 and he reminds me of a guy back in AirWarrior named "Pumar", a Scottish self proclaimed "Haggis Basher", who mastered the mosquito and used to taunt some of the good fighter sticks back in RR2ETO by killing them over and over with that thing. I don't know about the F3 mode as I've never tried it but if the IL2 has it, I say it's a good trade off.
All the Best...
Jay
are you sure it was the Mossie? IIRC, the Mossie in AW was unarmed and could only lug bombs.
ack-ack
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I really don't understand the logic behind defending F3 mode in any plane, especially the iL-2, based on the planes lack of capability. So we should embrace a handicap system that equips all planes with special powers to make them more competitive? Where should that list start and end?
Situational awareness, is one of the key parameters in the competitiveness of both plane and pilot in a flight sim. Eliminating that parameter with F3 mode is an abomination to any flight sim that prides itself on realism.
F3 mode during flight in the MA is, in my opinion, just in excuseable.
Vinkman :salute
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I really don't understand the logic behind defending F3 mode in any plane, especially the iL-2, based on the planes lack of capability. So we should embrace a handicap system that equips all planes with special powers to make them more competitive? Where should that list start and end?
Situational awareness, is one of the key parameters in the competitiveness of both plane and pilot in a flight sim. Eliminating that parameter with F3 mode is an abomination to any flight sim that prides itself on realism.
F3 mode during flight in the MA is, in my opinion, just in excuseable.
Vinkman :salute
i don't think people are defending it, it's been in the game ever sense i can remember, i use F3 when I'm flying a bomber, much better flying view than from the cockpit, GHI just learned to use it with great skill , why penalize someone for getting good at a plane, who's next Grizz and his 262, you say SA is one of the key parameters, in real life the bombers had voice comms from their Crew members and could call out enemy planes incoming, we don't have that in bombers only F3 to look around outside the plane, i use it for spotting incoming enemy then go to that gun postion, if it ain't broke don't fix it
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i don't think people are defending it, it's been in the game ever sense i can remember, i use F3 when I'm flying a bomber, much better flying view than from the cockpit, GHI just learned to use it with great skill , why penalize someone for getting good at a plane, who's next Grizz and his 262, you say SA is one of the key parameters, in real life the bombers had voice comms from their Crew members and could call out enemy planes incoming, we don't have that in bombers only F3 to look around outside the plane, i use it for spotting incoming enemy then go to that gun postion, if it ain't broke don't fix it
I agree with you however, the IL2 is flown as a fighter and not as a bomber. So, even though bombers had coms and gunners watching, they did not have gunners helping the pilot aim when the bad guy would normally be in a blind spot. That is the complain about the IL2.
Also, having F3 in a place called the dueling arena is ridiculous. There is the TA for training if that is the reason for having it on.
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are you sure it was the Mossie? IIRC, the Mossie in AW was unarmed and could only lug bombs.
ack-ack
Hmmm... I could have sworn it was a mossie that old PUMAR was using to pound Doody and RaUmL consistantly. Memory is quite fuzzy now about some of the AW days as I'm getting older than dirt but I knew it was a 2 engine aircraft and it wasn't the Vader or the 110 or the P-38. Wished my old HD's that had AW on them hadn't died years ago. I can remember some parts of AW like I was still there but there is a hole missing from the entire picture from early 1999 until 2000. I suffered a massive skull fracture in 2/99 and a bunch of that time is still a blank. I still think he was using a skeeter with guns though. hehhee Maybe it's my imagination but I do know that he was always pounding those two badly. roflol
All the Best...
Jay
PS.. Ackack, you used to fly with 7Son, whatever happened to him? He didn't migrate here did he?
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I really don't understand the logic behind defending F3 mode in any plane
The old-time bomber pilots (I'm thinking Propnut here) made a very good case that F3 mode simulated the sky-scanning value provided by the multiple crew members on such planes. Because bombers typically aren't flown the way fighters are, the shooting advantage F3 bestows is not an issue with bombers.
- oldman
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Also, having F3 in a place called the dueling arena is ridiculous. There is the TA for training if that is the reason for having it on.
F3 for fighters in the DA now that does need to go away, as far as the IL2 only way to remove the F3 is reclassify it as a fighter/ attack with no F3, like a Jug
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Way to go ghi! It amazes me how many people fall for such a simple tactic. I've flown with ghi on vox many times, and I can say that he honestly doesn't care what anyone says about his tactics. I don't enjoy the same game style he does, but he's a great guy and I love watching him plug pickers/vultures as they miss their BnZ pass.
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Way to go ghi! It amazes me how many people fall for such a simple tactic. I've flown with ghi on vox many times, and I can say that he honestly doesn't care what anyone says about his tactics. I don't enjoy the same game style he does, but he's a great guy and I love watching him plug pickers/vultures as they miss their BnZ pass.
Hes pretty bad about that too.
The old-time bomber pilots (I'm thinking Propnut here) made a very good case that F3 mode simulated the sky-scanning value provided by the multiple crew members on such planes. Because bombers typically aren't flown the way fighters are, the shooting advantage F3 bestows is not an issue with bombers.
- oldman
Theres a big difference between a B17s crew and the 2 guys in the Il2. OP was talking about snapshots which the rear gunner wouldn't help with, your point is good for the larger bombers but the smaller ones should only have the 6 O clock view(SBD, A20, IL2, B5N)
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If your shooting from the pilots position, you should be IN the pilots position.
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If your shooting from the pilots position, you should be IN the pilots position.
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If your shooting from the pilots position, you should be IN the pilots position.
Yup ... very simple ... in F3 ... no guns can fire.
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PS.. Ackack, you used to fly with 7Son, whatever happened to him? He didn't migrate here did he?
He came over during the Exodus but real life popped in and he was no longer able to fly. Sadly, I've lost touch with him over the years.
ack-ack
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Way to go ghi! It amazes me how many people fall for such a simple tactic. I've flown with ghi on vox many times, and I can say that he honestly doesn't care what anyone says about his tactics. I don't enjoy the same game style he does, but he's a great guy and I love watching him plug pickers/vultures as they miss their BnZ pass.
It's not the tactic, it's the execution. In F3 mode he has full command of the plane the ability to watch incoming bandits/tracers and take evasive action, something he can't do from the pilot seat and which gives this plane much greater defensive capability, hense survivablity, than this plane would actually possess do to it very poor rear visibility. The iL-2 is an excellent turning plane at low speeds which can generate a lot of high deflections shots. Making most of those shots impossible, is the fact that you can't see the bandit or your tracers because they are below the nose. F3 mode allows for target tracking and shot correction in a common situation where neither should be possible.
So F3 mode changes the offensive and defensive abilities of the iL-2 in a away that is not consistent with the game principles.
This isn;t about Ghi, I have no problem with him doing it if it's part of the game. But I think from the replies on the board, many like me did not undertand that iL-2 could be flow from F3 mode hense it isn;t taken into account when attacking the plane. And while many will now be educated, simply knowing about it is no excuse for leaving it in the game.
Ghi is nice guy and very fine stick who has demonstrated his skill, game knowlege, and creativity by understanding how F3 mode could make an iL-2 a stealthy killer. But I think, he's had his fun, and this F3 mode oversight should be fixed.
Vinkman :salute
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I really really want to see a video of someone shooting better from f3 mode then inside the cockpit.
HiTech
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I really really want to see a video of someone shooting better from f3 mode then inside the cockpit.
HiTech
That part of the whine is bs.. However, evading in F3 mode, and then switching to F1 mode as the enemy overshoots is an incredible advantage. I kind of liked the idea of a time delay on the mode switch, but at the end of the day, IL2s and A20s are fighting at disadvantage anyways, so giving them a gamey "mode switch" advantage isn't that big of a deal.
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All these vulchers want GHI shut down. Period.
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All these vulchers want GHI shut down. Period.
:lol
Yep.
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I really really want to see a video of someone shooting better from f3 mode then inside the cockpit.
HiTech
What Grizz said..
That part of the whine is bs.. However, evading in F3 mode, and then switching to F1 mode as the enemy overshoots is an incredible advantage.
And...
HiTech are you asking because you are curious, or because you reject that F3 mode in an iL-2 should be removed?
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All these vulchers want GHI shut down. Period.
Not a vulcher never have been. why try to read between the lines, when the actual lines written explain things in perfect clarity. :noid
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i dont see how anyone could switch between F1 and F3 fast enough in a IL2 you put guns on target, hes just good in that plane, i've died to him and shot him down, it's you just cant make a mistake when fighting GHI in that plane, period
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Ghi is nice guy and very fine stick who has demonstrated his skill, game knowlege, and creativity by understanding how F3 mode could make an iL-2 a stealthy killer. But I think, he's had his fun, and this F3 mode oversight should be fixed.
Vinkman :salute
Ghi is an exceptional individual and I really don't know anything about F3 mode as I don't use it, but I can't understand how somebody has played so long as GHI has and honed his skills can be demonized with this F3 stuff is beyond me. He has been a player in here for many years and only now are we hearing that he is abusing a perceived exploit? Come on now and get a grip on reality... Sure I've called him our resident vampire as he is from Transylvania but I've flow with him for years as a squadmate and fellow countryman and he has NEVER had anything bad to say about anybody that I've heard. He's an honorable fellow who is passionate about WWII and this game.
All the Best...
Jay
Awdoc1
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Way to go ghi! It amazes me how many people fall for such a simple tactic. I've flown with ghi on vox many times, and I can say that he honestly doesn't care what anyone says about his tactics. I don't enjoy the same game style he does, but he's a great guy and I love watching him plug pickers/vultures as they miss their BnZ pass.
He's quite good in ANY plane, and I know he's kilt me a LOT more times than I've kilt him....but making his plane (IL2, that is) appear to go underground for the brief window when you're about to fire is kinda gamey. It's spreading around too...they yank stick BACK...shove it FORward...plane disappears for 2 seconds...then you're in the uncomfortable postion of being in the IL2 cone of death for 2-3 MORE seconds. and if THATS not bad enough..cut the @#$$@#$@#ing thing in 2....if he's still at ground level, the 2 halves of the plane pile into the ground and he gets a ditch! :cry :cry :cry
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The ONLY time I can shoot anything in F3 mode is the rear gun of the AR-234. 'nuff said.
The be honest, I think F3 mode should be enabled in any plane that has more than one crew member, whether bomber or not. Disabling weapons while in F3 mode would be fine by me, as I can't hit squat that way anyway...
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i dont see how anyone could switch between F1 and F3 fast enough in a IL2 you put guns on target, hes just good in that plane, i've died to him and shot him down, it's you just cant make a mistake when fighting GHI in that plane, period
Lol, it's easy, when I'm defending against vulches I do the same thing... negative g stick stir in f3 mode, and then switch to F1 as the plane flies in front and spray 30 taters at him.
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... but I can't understand how somebody has played so long as GHI has and honed his skills can be demonized with this F3 stuff is beyond me. Jay
Awdoc1
Please don't quote me when talking about Demonizing Ghi. The exact point of the portion of the post you quoted was to NOT demonize Ghi. This is not a Ghi rant, it's a F3 mode in iL-2 rant.
Vinkman :salute
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The ONLY time I can shoot anything in F3 mode is the rear gun of the AR-234. 'nuff said.
The be honest, I think F3 mode should be enabled in any plane that has more than one crew member, whether bomber or not. Disabling weapons while in F3 mode would be fine by me, as I can't hit squat that way anyway...
You can easily lead an enemy with the A20 F3 mode. trust me ive done it once in a blue moon because the A20 gunsight wags back and forth when you move around
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I really really want to see a video of someone shooting better from f3 mode then inside the cockpit.
HiTech
Not just better, but some times the shot is only possible from F3 mode since you cannot see planes under your nose. If I am ever again in an IL2 and happen to pull one off I ll send you the film. However, here is how it works. You put out a nice stream of tracers while pulling Gs (if you are in the pilot sit you have no idea how close to the bad guy you are shooting) and using the F3 view you adjust on how hard you pull on the stick. I ve hit people screaming by at a 90 degree angle. And btw, when in an IL2 I am always in F3. I guess I have been shorting my self by doing that lol.
But lets say I did you send you a fiml, how will you know that I was shooting better? There is no way to see what I would have done from the cockpit since, well, I was not there lol. Only thing you can do is go back int he pilot sit in the film and see that I could not see where I was shooting.
F3 for a fighter is just a bad idea that can be fixed easily in several ways.
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You can easily lead an enemy with the A20 F3 mode. trust me ive done it once in a blue moon because the A20 gunsight wags back and forth when you move around
Bar time to get flamed :D
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Bar time to get flamed :D
waiting... :neener:
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I really really want to see a video of someone shooting better from f3 mode then inside the cockpit.
HiTech
I asked the same thing in this thread. I think some have claimed to be able to shoot in F3 mode in this thread as well.
Yet still no film provided?
Anti up guys you want a change the one who can make it happen has opened the door for you just send in the film. :aok
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I asked the same thing in this thread. I think some have claimed to be able to shoot in F3 mode in this thread as well.
Yet still no film provided?
Anti up guys you want a change the one who can make it happen has opened the door for you just send in the film. :aok
This is the dumbest argument ever :lol I guess if you never been high enough to see the curvature of the earth that means the earth is flat? lol.
This is not about "that guy". I could care less. I do care about having it on in the DA though. And if someone is going to make an argument on how it helps game play in the MA or how a gunner facing backwards could assist the pilot in shooting under the planes nose, I am willing to listen.
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I asked the same thing in this thread. I think some have claimed to be able to shoot in F3 mode in this thread as well.
Yet still no film provided?
Anti up guys you want a change the one who can make it happen has opened the door for you just send in the film. :aok
There's more than a few guys at DA lake who can't fly any other way, (who seem to be more-than-decent sticks) mebbe one of them will send a film
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This is the dumbest argument ever :lol I guess if you never been high enough to see the curvature of the earth that means the earth is flat? lol.
This is not about "that guy". I could care less. I do care about having it on in the DA though. And if someone is going to make an argument on how it helps game play in the MA or how a gunner facing backwards could assist the pilot in shooting under the planes nose, I am willing to listen.
The original post was about being shot down in the main arena by an IL-2. Any argument you have about the DA & F3 mode belongs in another thread. So it is not such a stupid argument after all.
Here go to these threads & continue on here with your DA issues.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,295820.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,285490.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,233899.0.html
As far as shooting under ones noses is concerned? :headscratch: ahh Change direction maybe as soon as you hear hit sprites? :aok
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There's more than a few guys at DA lake who can't fly any other way, (who seem to be more-than-decent sticks) mebbe one of them will send a film
Again DA is not the issue here in this thread. Any films from there would not be pertanent.
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Again DA is not the issue here in this thread. Any films from there would not be pertanent.
Well...F3 is F3, irregardless of where it emanates. Of course, in there, the subjects are Chogs and Tempests, not so much A20's and IL2's
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Although I don't think F3 should be removed, I am absolutely astonished at how many folks think it doesn't help!
I too have used F3 for Il2, A20, ju88 and such and found with a little practice SHOOTING is quite easy indeed if not easier in F3! I think this is just a reality! With that said the Il2 is still just an Il2 and is easily defeated. Where the problem comes in for those who get "colon crunched" by an Il2 is, those unfortunate peeps more times than not are vulching or might as well be vulching and are tryin to maintain their speed advantage "looking for the easy kill" <--- this = overshoot and that equals colon crunch! :aok
As far as I'm concerned those peeps B&Zing the edge of a field or vulching deserve as many taters as will fit inside their colon :aok Go GHI Go!
BTW, stop worrying about speed and saddle up on that Il2 and kill it easily :aok :aok (problem solved) :cheers:
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The original post was about being shot down in the main arena by an IL-2. Any argument you have about the DA & F3 mode belongs in another thread. So it is not such a stupid argument after all.
Here go to these threads & continue on here with your DA issues.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,295820.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,285490.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,233899.0.html
As far as shooting under ones noses is concerned? :headscratch: ahh Change direction maybe as soon as you hear hit sprites? :aok
Ahhh, thank you sir. I was lost. In any case, it is stupid for the MA also. It just does not make any sense no matter what the arena to have a fighter in the F3 mode.
You offer no answer to my questions other than get out of here lol. By the way, the argument for having F3 in the MA on a fighter is as dumb as suggesting to listen to sprites :rofl. Maybe my age but I cannot hear light :lol
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BTW, stop worrying about speed and saddle up on that Il2 and kill it easily :aok :aok (problem solved) :cheers:
+1 :aok
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Ahhh, thank you sir. I was lost. In any case, it is stupid for the MA also. It just does not make any sense no matter what the arena to have a fighter in the F3 mode.
You offer no answer to my questions other than get out of here lol. By the way, the argument for having F3 in the MA on a fighter is as dumb as suggesting to listen to sprites :rofl. Maybe my age but I cannot hear light :lol
Post film then.
Your complaining about it & have provided nothing in terms of video to see what the issues are.
Put it here in this thread for all to see.
The owner of the game wants it to see film of this I assume to see if changes are needed.
Post film let the community decide if your complaint warrents change.
It is not like things have not been improved by requesting it.
So Prove your point for all to see.
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Post film then.
Your complaining about it & have provided nothing in terms of video to see what the issues are.
Put it here in this thread for all to see.
The owner of the game wants it to see film of this I assume to see if changes are needed.
Post film let the community decide if your complaint warrents change.
It is not like things have not been improved by requesting it.
So Prove your point for all to see.
Or you explain how it is needed and how it helps game plane. I don;t need a film. Just a short explanation on why F3 mode in a fighter is needed in the MA or DA.
If you or the owner need a film to understand why being able to see under you planes nose (a place that would be impossible to see from the cockpit) gives you an advantage, I am afraid I wont be able to continue this conversation. :rofl
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I have still not seen 1 shred of evidence F3 mode helps shooting in any way.
I have seen many claims of other people using it, but never one person saying exactly how he uses it himself to shoot with.
HiTech
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Or you explain how it is needed and how it helps game plane. I don;t need a film. Just a short explanation on why F3 mode in a fighter is needed in the MA or DA.
If you or the owner need a film to understand why being able to see under you planes nose (a place that would be impossible to see from the cockpit) gives you an advantage, I am afraid I wont be able to continue this conversation. :rofl
Well my explanation why F3 mode is needed? OK here we go until they cut a hole in the back of the aircraft so I can see behind me or I grow eyes in the back of my head f3 mode is going to stay I would say.
What fighters are you talking about? I know of no fighters in game that have F3 mode in the main arenas? Or are you talking about DA again? If so your right we have nothing more to say to each other in this thread.
You want changes & you have film but wont post it. How do you possibly think this will help make a change. Why bother even complain then?
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I have still not seen 1 shred of evidence F3 mode helps shooting in any way.
I have seen many claims of other people using it, but never one person saying exactly how he uses it himself to shoot with.
HiTech
I think Dedalos did just this. A plane that is under your nose is very easy to adjust to from the "out of plane" view F3 provides
My simple question for F3 is, why? Why not just remove the cockpit viewing obstructions to the pilot? Then F3 is not required. Give the Il2 and others a ponys eye view? Just saying :huh :headscratch:
I would say shooting in F3 is more difficult only when target is dead 12 oclock and only marginaly
JUGgler
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The only time using F3 improves your shooting is after you've had an oil hit, otherwise I can find no advantage to it. There is no shot you can make in F3 that you can't make in F1, even under the nose shots.
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I have still not seen 1 shred of evidence F3 mode helps shooting in any way.
I have seen many claims of other people using it, but never one person saying exactly how he uses it himself to shoot with.
HiTech
to clarify my explanation then of how i have used it on the A20. In the gunsight, there is a blindspot below the nose of every aircraft when lining up shots. Say the enemy is banking left and you have a high angle shot to kill him by following him by banking to the left (cutting the corner and making the shot). In F1 mode, you cannot see the enemy plane... In F3 mode you most certainly can line up the shot and the correct distance to make the kill.
I'm not good with vids so i'll leave it up to someone else being able to show what i mean.
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Never checked, but can you black out or red ok in F3 mode? If not that could be a heck of an advantage.
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Never checked, but can you black out or red ok in F3 mode? If not that could be a heck of an advantage.
You do.
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Never checked, but can you black out or red ok in F3 mode? If not that could be a heck of an advantage.
yes you do but you still can see better than in F1
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Much ado about nothing. Better just to shoot Ghi and be done with it :)
He does like to throttle back or even kill the engine, while jinking like mad to try and get you to over shoot. I even pulled off one time when I came across a 109K that appeared to be deadstick. Turned out it was Ghi and I had to come around again and get him.
Just not that big a deal though. If he can get you with an IL2 while you are in the horde over his base, more power to him.
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The counter for what ghi does with the negative G overshoot, as soon as you see him dip nose down and you're going to over shoot, pull into the vertical and go into a high Yo Yo opposite of his negative G break. As he comes out of it, you should be just about coming out of the top part of the Yo Yo and either have an angle for the shot or in position to saddle up.
ack-ack
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I have still not seen 1 shred of evidence F3 mode helps shooting in any way.
I have seen many claims of other people using it, but never one person saying exactly how he uses it himself to shoot with.
HiTech
I can attest that it does help. Think of it as flying around zoomed out with your interior cockpit turned off. You can pull lead on planes totally outside of your scope if you were inside the cockpit. Because you are in trail position with the "view camera" you can easily bank into a target cutting across you at 90 degrees, aim, and precisely hit them with a stream of ammo before anybody inside the cockpit can spot them.
In HTH rooms way back it was the main way most folks flew. It's very easy. Coupled with increased ammo (in HTH, not in the DA) it was quake-like easy kill mode.
In the MAs it's used by boston and IL2 pilots (and the odd B-25 pilot that wants to dogfight with the guns package) for easy aiming and shooting. In a Ju87 it makes it easy as pie to follow a target trying to get out of your guns. Your plane's performance holds you back in these examples, but often you get a big advantage from F3.
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to clarify my explanation then of how i have used it on the A20. In the gunsight, there is a blindspot below the nose of every aircraft when lining up shots. Say the enemy is banking left and you have a high angle shot to kill him by following him by banking to the left (cutting the corner and making the shot). In F1 mode, you cannot see the enemy plane... In F3 mode you most certainly can line up the shot and the correct distance to make the kill.
I'm not good with vids so i'll leave it up to someone else being able to show what i mean.
Would love to see a film, just go off line and kill some drones in F3 view for me.
HiTech
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Would love to see a film, just go off line and kill some drones in F3 view for me.
HiTech
alright ill film it but my problem is is how to upload it to the internet and then from there emailing etc. i can do anything on the internet EXCEPT films and pics uploading :rolleyes:
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alright ill film it but my problem is is how to upload it to the internet and then from there emailing etc. i can do anything on the internet EXCEPT films and pics uploading :rolleyes:
Use a free hosting service like Mediafire. Upload the film and then post the link in your post.
ack-ack
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Or simply mail the film directly to HTC. ;)
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will do once home hopefully :aok problem is is that the drones in offline are very easy and straight kills. ill try and see what i can scratch up but itd be easier for me to wait to up in an A20 in the MAs in a dogfight.
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Send it in a zip file they cant use mediafire or other such sights due to the security settings there.
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Surprised this thread is still going. Vinkman, I think you make some valid points. Unfortunately, I feek as though you guys are not being objective enough. So much for innocent until proven guilty. Ghi has been flying IL-2s for years. It's more than possible that he just "knows" where the enemy will end up emerging from above his plane. Grizz has pulled off pretty amazing shots with the mk 108 cannon, which has far worse ballistics than the 23mm cannon in the IL-2. Why can't ghi do the same in the IL-2? Does he use F3? Most likely...but AKAK gave a counter to ghi's overshoot. A high yoyo and there is absolutely nothing an IL-2 could do to stay saddled up. They just don't have the horsepower to do so.
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Surprised this thread is still going. Vinkman, I think you make some valid points. Unfortunately, I feek as though you guys are not being objective enough. So much for innocent until proven guilty. Ghi has been flying IL-2s for years. It's more than possible that he just "knows" where the enemy will end up emerging from above his plane. Grizz has pulled off pretty amazing shots with the mk 108 cannon, which has far worse ballistics than the 23mm cannon in the IL-2. Why can't ghi do the same in the IL-2? Does he use F3? Most likely...but AKAK gave a counter to ghi's overshoot. A high yoyo and there is absolutely nothing an IL-2 could do to stay saddled up. They just don't have the horsepower to do so.
That's true Buster. I personally object more to the artificial SA improvement. :salute
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Would love to see a film, just go off line and kill some drones in F3 view for me.
HiTech
There's a guy or 2 who fly exclusively at DA Lake who do naught exCEPT f3 view in F4....his name escapes me, flies with TAS Aerofiters...I'd imagine he already has such films
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There's a guy or 2 who fly exclusively at DA Lake who do naught exCEPT f3 view in F4....his name escapes me, flies with TAS Aerofiters...I'd imagine he already has such films
SPACY
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SHawk is right.
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From your brief foray into the FW forums, I bet your reticule is a pretty, frilly thing.
ack-ack
What a witty fellow you are :salute
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Anyone who don't think F-3 mode is an advantage. Go spend 5 minutes in the DA. People make fantastic deflection shots that they could never make in the MA.
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Would love to see a film, just go off line and kill some drones in F3 view for me.
HiTech
Well I used fraps so the file was too large for media fire. I just went ahead and put it on youtube here is the link. I hope it helps.
:noid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4QoOdDLfCo
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Well I used fraps so the file was too large for media fire. I just went ahead and put it on youtube here is the link. I hope it helps.
:noid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4QoOdDLfCo
What are your thoughts on this issue?
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Well I used fraps so the file was too large for media fire. I just went ahead and put it on youtube here is the link. I hope it helps.
:noid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4QoOdDLfCo
Haha, nice shooting!
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What are your thoughts on this issue?
I got up this morning read hitech ask for film on the F3 thing and saw some people say it was not possible. I tried it for the first time about 40 minutes ago and was able to hit the drones at least with ease. I did know it was possible before hand and knew the method in which it was done. So saying all that I don't think it is a problem.
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Well I used fraps so the file was too large for media fire. I just went ahead and put it on youtube here is the link. I hope it helps.
:noid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4QoOdDLfCo
:lol :lol :lol excellent
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:rofl :rofl I think the squirrel was giving the stinkeye. :rofl :rofl
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Wow! What a long whine!
IL2 Hoing party has been one of one of my best fun for long time, and IL2 is the best "pest control" tool against the growing population of vulchers and pickers at the end of the runway!
Merry Christmas!
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Wow! What a long whine!
IL2 Hoing party has been one of one of my best fun for long time, and IL2 is the best "pest control" tool against the growing population of vulchers and pickers at the end of the runway!
Merry Christmas!
Yes and u do a very good job of cleaning people out
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Would love to see a film, just go off line and kill some drones in F3 view for me.
HiTech
lol, I ll do it. Can you get the drones to cut across bellow my nose at 90 degrees while changing direction?
It is really simple. Instead of asking for films that could not really prove anything, why doesn't someone just explain how having F3 enabled for a fighter in the MA or DA improves game play in any way? Lets say that it does not give any advantages. What is the point of it then? If it does not help, why have it?
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Well I used fraps so the file was too large for media fire. I just went ahead and put it on youtube here is the link. I hope it helps.
:noid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4QoOdDLfCo
"This video contains content from Sony Music Entertainment, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds." :furious
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Would love to see a film, just go off line and kill some drones in F3 view for me.
HiTech
When I get time, I will do this for you sir.
I know that deflection shots (where the enemy is under the nose) will be much easier in F3 made.
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When I get time, I will do this for you sir.
I know that deflection shots (where the enemy is under the nose) will be much easier in F3 made.
I made one, how do u convert it to a format for u tube
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I made one, how do u convert it to a format for u tube
You can use fraps, or the built in function in the film viewer, but the easiest way is to simply use a file hosting site for the .ahf and post a link.
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You can use fraps, or the built in function in the film viewer, but the easiest way is to simply use a file hosting site for the .ahf and post a link.
Thanks
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Maybe we can get an update that runs a flag up the radio mast if the pilot is in F3?
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:lol
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Maybe we can get an update that runs a flag up the radio mast if the pilot is in F3?
Or if your in F3 and as soon as u shoot u go to F1 mode