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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: DERK13 on December 20, 2010, 08:36:43 PM
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i have been up againest some ppl who were in the same plane as me, which i was sure i could win againest being skilled in that certain plane. Turns out i was wrong so i asked them how they did it, they said flaps and tactics of course i said the same thing because i did. Then he said did i have stall limiter disabled, i said no, he said there is your problem. So i was curious and took it off, i hated it because it seemed to just get me into more stalls then win more fights. What i would like to is how do you guys deal with it, do you like it off or on, and what advantage or disadvantage does it have in a dogfight? Thanks
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Leave it off. Learn to control the plane all the way to the edge, and how to recover when you cross that edge.
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The stall limiter is a crutch. The sooner you learn to fly without it the sooner you will be able to compete with anyone. One hint is to make sure you have your stall horn turned up loud enough to hear over your engine noise. You will subconsciously learn to ease off on the back pressure when the horn starts to blare.
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oh ok sweet thanks guys, ill use it in the DA before the MA. Appreciate it and salute
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For about the first week or so you'll have a hard time getting used to it. Then you'll ask yourself why you ever flew with the damned thing on to begin with. :)
Wait til you get to where you want to start trimming manually. Then the fun really begins ;)
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oh ok sweet thanks guys, ill use it in the DA before the MA. Appreciate it and salute
You'll never get use to it if you only turn it off in the DA. Turn it off and leave it off. Sure your going to suck for a bit, but once you get it under control you'll start wining those fights your losing.
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i have been up againest some ppl who were in the same plane as me, which i was sure i could win againest being skilled in that certain plane. Turns out i was wrong so i asked them how they did it, they said flaps and tactics of course i said the same thing because i did. Then he said did i have stall limiter disabled, i said no, he said there is your problem. So i was curious and took it off, i hated it because it seemed to just get me into more stalls then win more fights. What i would like to is how do you guys deal with it, do you like it off or on, and what advantage or disadvantage does it have in a dogfight? Thanks
Why do I have an itch this involves me jus a tad
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The stall limiter essentially works by limiting the amount of g's that can be pulled. Which is of no advantage in a true fight.
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The stall limiter essentially works by limiting the amount of g's that can be pulled. Which is of no advantage in a true fight.
It doesn't limit G load, it limits AoA.
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For about the first week or so you'll have a hard time getting used to it. Then you'll ask yourself why you ever flew with the damned thing on to begin with. :)
Wait til you get to where you want to start trimming manually. Then the fun really begins ;)
This......It takes about a week to get used to it, but you will never go back to turning it on
Good luck Redtail. shoot me a PM in game if ya want someone to shoot at for practice.
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ok thanks guys, and bailey ill see bout that lol. Jo this does have something to do with you but your just a small percentage of it. what i meant by having it off in the DA is to practice with it in there and stay in there until i got it down then head to the MA
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One of the most important things to help you in your trasition is to fly with small, smooth control movements. Flying with stall limiter on may have turned you into a "hamfisted" fighter pilot; meaning you just yanked your stick all around and flew just fine. Those same habits with stall limiter off will put you into stalls all the time. Once you start using less drastic movements, you'll stall less and retain E longer - both importants factors in winning a fight.
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ok thanks guys, and bailey ill see bout that lol. Jo this does have something to do with you but your just a small percentage of it. what i meant by having it off in the DA is to practice with it in there and stay in there until i got it down then head to the MA
Hehe, ya stall limiter prevents many tailspins and other stall menuavers
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Leave it off. Learn to control the plane all the way to the edge, and how to recover when you cross that edge.
This is the best advice. Time for the training wheels to come off and you will see what them birds can really do. Be prepared to stall out quite a bit at first, but with practice it lessens each day. Good Luck! :aok
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You take it off and may be able to do stuff like this.....
I give you a Krupnski tailslide....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBgHv_GgAW0
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ive been practiceing offline in my P38 already i can see an improvement in my hammer head and flat spin and such.
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Since you're at it...
Go out and stall. Really stall it badly, over and over and over. And learn to recover, quicker and quicker and quicker.
Start out pretty high, where it'll stall easier anyway, and where you have plenty of time before you hit the ground. Try recovering with the engine at full throttle, and with it pulled back (don't shut it off, just pull it back).
Eventually, you'll be so good at recovering, you'll hardly notice a stall or two in a fight. ALso, since you're purposely stalling, you'll develop a "muscle-memory" of sorts, which will alert you to when you're flirting with a stall in a fight. You can then actually make small adjustments to avoid the stall before it ever occurs...
Ideally, you want to be able to recover from a wicked stall/spin without even needing to think about it. If I stall/spin in a fight, my mind is on my opponent and my overall SA; recovering from the stall/spin is so automatic I can do it without thinking about it.
An analogy I like is that of walking on smooth, slippery ice. At first, it's difficult to just stand up and walk without falling. Eventually though, you can get to be a lot more active, and even have fun. Past that, fun activities are possible, where fall-avoidance is hardly on your mind at all. The situation hasn't changed, but your ability to handle it has, and your mind is barely even on it...
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wow that the really helps alot, as well as the other tips. Thanks guys really really aprecitate it
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i have been up againest some ppl who were in the same plane as me, which i was sure i could win againest being skilled in that certain plane. Turns out i was wrong so i asked them how they did it, they said flaps and tactics of course i said the same thing because i did. Then he said did i have stall limiter disabled, i said no, he said there is your problem. So i was curious and took it off, i hated it because it seemed to just get me into more stalls then win more fights. What i would like to is how do you guys deal with it, do you like it off or on, and what advantage or disadvantage does it have in a dogfight? Thanks
The person that told you that really didn't know what they were talking about. As pointed out by others, in an angles fight where you need to ride the edge of the envelope, the stall limiter prevents you from doing that by limiting your angle of attack (AoA). This will actually put you at a disadvantage against someone that doesn't have the stall limiter engaged as they can freely ride the edge beyond what you can.
However, in some planes it's not as detrimental than in other planes but it will still put you at a disadvantage if you start to maneuver or get into a fight against someone that doesn't have it enabled. The planes were having it enabled isn't as detrimental as in other planes are those planes that are typically used for Energy Fighting, where they really don't have to worry about exceeding the AoA and going into an accelerated stall.
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