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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: HawkerMKII on December 30, 2010, 08:35:01 AM
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Will we get differant maps with tour change, I hope so these are getting boring, boring, boring :mad:
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I'll think about it.
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I have an idea go offline and change the map to whatever you want it to be.
Then you may realise why you pay the $14.95!
excuse my tone i'm suffering withdrawal symptoms any map would do right now ;)
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how long will this off hours thingy continue??? those of us who mostly play only during the day (central) are getting tired of this same map with no tank battles and the same old fights every day. at least put in a larger map where there will be more choices. i say get rid of this silly off hours setup and go back to the way it was. good old fashion fun.
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I think it has improved since change :old:
i have seen lots of tank battles recently :old:
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You guys asked for all this crap. Now it's time to pay the fiddler. Everybody crys and moans,..... HTC changes stuff around to give the customers what they want and now we don't like it. Imagine that. :rolleyes:
Becareful of what ya ask for. You just might get it. ;)
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what time have u seen tank battles zack?
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New maps would have hills, water, trees, dirt...... your just going to be bored there too.
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New maps would have hills, water, trees, dirt...... your just going to be bored there too.
There is a lot more that set maps apart from each other, and greatly influences choices and combat environment.
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There is a lot more that set maps apart from each other, and greatly influences choices and combat environment.
I stand behind my post.... they most all include those same items you already seen.
Where there were quite a few folks who stepped up and built terrains for others to use, you don't have many now. Most will not pitch in and just complain. For those that complain.... you can fix it yourself....... really you can.
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I stand behind my post.... they most all include those same items you already seen.
It's how the items are arranged. Some map do not have any cvs at all. Some maps are totally unsuited to the GV part of the game. Some maps make combat / battles quite difficult at the beginning, and lead to severe ganging on one country that is unlucky to occupy the "bad spot".
Gameplay can be very different just because of map layout, and some maps do significantly limit the options, particularly if you are not a "just take a fighter and go" guy.
Where there were quite a few folks who stepped up and built terrains for others to use, you don't have many now. Most will not pitch in and just complain. For those that complain.... you can fix it yourself....... really you can.
Note that this is not much of a "we don't have enough maps" topic, but more about a lack of map rotation . This is nothing we can simply "fix" ourselves.
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New Maps = more fun these same old maps that are being used are getting old really fast sorry but i have seen more complain about this change than any other change :rolleyes:
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but i have seen more complain about this change than any other change :rolleyes:
Based on this I'd say you haven't been here for long :D
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Based on this I'd say you haven't been here for long :D
this is true Lusche but still cant tell me that things are not getting boring with these same old fights. I personally dont care i find kills either way :salute
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go to MW knights change the map every 2 hours
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You guys asked for all this crap. Now it's time to pay the fiddler. Everybody crys and moans,..... HTC changes stuff around to give the customers what they want and now we don't like it. Imagine that. :rolleyes:
Becareful of what ya ask for. You just might get it. ;)
Well, from what I have heard, nobody likes ENY. Do ya think that will ever change? I seriously doubt it, no matter how much you whine and cry about it.
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Thought the persistent maps might lead to complaints. Don't mind them myself but maybe to keep things fresh a rotation is in order after, I don't know, two weeks?
That would surely generate complaints too but if a map isn't won in two weeks then you can argue that you missed your chance, here comes a new map.
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Though the persistent maps might lead to complaints. Don't mind them myself but maybe to keep things fresh a rotation is in order after, I don't know, two weeks?
That would surely generate complaints too but if a map isn't won in two weeks then you can argue that you missed your chance, here comes a new map.
:aok :aok
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I am not talking about NEW maps. I understand it take ALOT of time to make one, I have tried :x. Just want to know if we get differant maps with tour reset, very simple question? :salute
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Just because you hear more complaints about a thing than praise doesn't necessarily mean its unpopular, as people are a lot more likely to complain about something they don't like than praise something they do. If HTC went back to the old arena system I expect the complaints about that change would outweigh the praise too.
Personally I like the new setup. Its now easier to find a fight, since the few players online during early evening (GMT) are no longer being split into two arenas. Before the change I rarely bothered to log in before 10-11pm.
I'd say change the off peak map once a week to coincide with Titanic Tuesday.
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Just because you hear more complaints about a thing than praise doesn't necessarily mean its unpopular, as people are a lot more likely to complain about something they don't like than praise something they do. If HTC went back to the old arena system I expect the complaints about that change would outweigh the praise too.
Personally I like the new setup. Its now easier to find a fight, since the few players online during early evening (GMT) are no longer being split into two arenas. Before the change I rarely bothered to log in before 10-11pm.
I'd say change the off peak map once a week to coincide with Titanic Tuesday.
here here,
for the first time in years the few can fly as the many (oops I mean a squadron) :noid
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Note that this is not much of a "we don't have enough maps" topic, but more about a lack of map rotation . This is nothing we can simply "fix" ourselves.
With the simple capture system now.... maps rotate more often. At least they seem to be rotating more.
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With the simple capture system now.... maps rotate more often. At least they seem to be rotating more.
You're just more drunk than usual :cheers:
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You guys asked for all this crap.
"You guys"? "You" who? Lusche asked for it, how many others did? How many European players are on even at their peak hours?
HTC created a big mess for the majority of players, in order to fix a problem for a tiny number pf players, even though a larger number of players face the same problem (idiotic caps that won't let you in the arena where everyone is playing) at a different time of day and get no sympathy for it.
Of course, the simplest and best solution for everyone - leave the arena system the way it used to be and get rid of the idiotic caps that 90% of the paying customer base despises - never gets tried for so much as a week.
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Wonder where some of these "statistics" come from..90% huh?
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"You guys"? "You" who? Lusche asked for it, how many others did? How many European players are on even at their peak hours?
HTC created a big mess for the majority of players, in order to fix a problem for a tiny number pf players, even though a larger number of players face the same problem (idiotic caps that won't let you in the arena where everyone is playing) at a different time of day and get no sympathy for it.
Of course, the simplest and best solution for everyone - leave the arena system the way it used to be and get rid of the idiotic caps that 90% of the paying customer base despises - never gets tried for so much as a week.
Many players asked for a change or adjustment. I was just the one coming up with an idea that was a compromise between "caps have a sever effect on gameplay" and HT's "caps are here to stay".
And you are very wrong with your assessment of which solution had the bigger impact on a larger number of people. Before the change, we were facing increasing downtimes in activity. After caps kicked in, it took 2-4 hours to get action rolling again in LWO & LWB (and we are speaking of about 100-200 players, btw) This downtime has been reduced to about 15-30 minutes. In terms of activity and combat opportunity, the new system is much less severe than the old one.
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"caps are here to stay".
Caps where implemented to increase subscriptions?
Have subscriptions increased since their inclusion?
Wab
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I really don't mind the new system, but here's my thought on what could make it a tad better.
Just lock Orange in the off hours, once 4pm CST arrives open it back up and keep the off hours arena as the blue arena. At this point the standard arena caps would go back in place.
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Just lock Orange in the off hours, once 4pm CST arrives open it back up and keep the off hours arena as the blue arena. At this point the standard arena caps would go back in place.
Which would result in the same situation we had before. One locked arena with a lot of players in it, but locked. And another one that's empty. We would have exactly the same problem we had before. No, it would be even worse, as you would see
LWO 20/150
LWB 250/100
It's the very reason why I came up with the save & boot idea. If you do not get the ppl out of offpeak/blue arena, it will take a long time for Orange to get to acceptable numbers - and offpeak/blue will experience a lot of battles simply dying.
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Caps where implemented to increase subscriptions?
Have subscriptions increased since their inclusion?
Wab
Hitech's words: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264069.msg3329554/topicseen.html#msg3329554
Simple not refutable facts.
1. Before arena split AH was not longer growing.
2. After arena split AH started growing fast than it ever had.
Now there really is only 1 reason for this, more people are having fun, and thus subscribe.
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Somehow Guppy's idea of just letting everything go and give everybody what they want doesnt sound like a bad idea now :rolleyes:
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Hitech's words: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264069.msg3329554/topicseen.html#msg3329554
Interesting.
Is that assertion consistent with data you've collected?
[Hmm never mind I won't hijack. I'm on a 12 step program. :lol]
Regards,
Wab
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Is that assertion consistent with data you've collected?
There is no public data on subscriptions.
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There is no public data on subscriptions.
Point taken.
Would that assertion be consistent with player activity levels you've collected?
Assuming you've collected data across that time span and assuming that increased player activity is possibly indicative of increased "fun" and engagement. (I guess people not having "fun" would stop playing as often whether they are subscribed or not.
Regards,
Wab
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Point taken.
Would that assertion be consistent with player activity levels you've collected?
Assuming you've collected data across that time span and assuming that increased player activity is possibly indicative of increased "fun" and engagement. (I guess people not having "fun" would stop playing as often whether they are subscribed or not.
I have collected that data, but I'm stepping on thin ice here. There is too much speculation involved, for we don't (and never will now) the percentage of players are on trial v subscription, what other factors do have on influence on player numbers (advertisement, competition, economy and so on)
That being said, there is no indication that things have been different than HT stated ;)
After the split we had a considerable increase in "active players" and even more in kills (as a measure of activity). Only about 2.5 years later numbers started to drop - IMHO way too long of a time that it could have been because of the arena split itself.
(More on arena populations and general player activity in the upcoming "AH stats 2010" :))
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I have collected that data, but I'm stepping on thin ice here. There is too much speculation involved, for we don't (and never will now) the percentage of players are on trial v subscription, what other factors do have on influence on player numbers (advertisement, competition, economy and so on)
That being said, there is no indication that things have been different than HT stated ;)
After the split we had a considerable increase in "active players" and even more in kills (as a measure of activity). Only about 2.5 years later numbers started to drop - IMHO way too long of a time that it could have been because of the arena split itself.
(More on arena populations and general player activity in the upcoming "AH stats 2010" :))
I think HTC would see that as a perfectly fair statement.
I think everyones interptations are on thin ice. They have to infer changes in the subscription rates were due to implementing the arena caps merely because they roughly correlated in time. Its quite possibly true. Its also quite possible it could be due to any of a dozen other factors.
I personally have not seen one person post "I was not going to subscribe because there were just too many people in this massively-multiplayer arena. Then HTC implemented caps so I said HECK YEAH!". ;)
I look foward to your stats release. I luv numbers.
"You can not control what you do not measure",
Wab
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I personally have not seen one person post "I was not going to subscribe because there were just too many people in this massively-multiplayer arena. Then HTC implemented caps so I said HECK YEAH!".
Players that try and do not subscribe rarely do bother with creating an account and posting on the forum, no matter why they didn't subscribe. (That's why AH has a kind of exit poll popping up when you decide not to subscribe)
On the other hand, there was a huge stomping of feet and gnashing of teeths (myself included :uhoh) after the split, with countless public "I quit" threats on this BBS... yet the numbers in game quickly reached record levels
"I will confuse them with numbers & charts"
Snailman
:D
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No life's not fair and Hitech hates you
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no sympathy for it.
I'm with this. No sympathy.
I watch these discussions from afar because I don't play in your arenas. From my perspective it's obvious that you guys can't be pleased.
- oldman
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170 playing on huge map displeases me. 170 people in small map pleases me.
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Maps have always played a huge role in the warfare around you. whether you see this or not is up to you. If you choose not to notice this, that is your style of gameplay here...
my squad flight plans and tactical planning includes terrain to be a major piece of the puzzle. being successful on a map must include terrain into the equation.
I am to the point where on trinity i can visualize every single freaking tree and mountain/hill from one base to another. Tour resetting map changes im #1 for. Just because people do not get bored flying the same map daily does not mean others dont. some of my squaddies have actually switched to blue arena from orange just for a change of scenery and i personally loved it.
It is up to you, as the player, to make the best of what is there and what is not. You want a map change guys? its simple, get your country to stay organized for more than an hour (or three) at a time to roll a map successfully. But there is ALOT to acheiving this goal and many players most likely dont realize this.
(i am not ranting here. i am giving a personal opinion based on what i have seen/what is factual)
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I can think of nothing less fun than whording empty fields one after another, which is what these 2 maps beg for
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I can think of nothing less fun than whording empty fields one after another, which is what these 2 maps beg for
i just hope people read my statement above.
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The truth of this whole discussion comes down to the need for new maps. In not reading ALL of these, I have to assume that much can be agreed on by all...... Even the German guy. :D
this is true Lusche but still cant tell me that things are not getting boring with these same old fights. I personally dont care i find kills either way :salute
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New Maps = more fun these same old maps that are being used are getting old really fast sorry but i have seen more complain about this change than any other change :rolleyes:
Personally, I love having 250 field maps. That way when the CAP comes into effect and there's 60 total people in
an arena, we can each have six fields. Then we can play "hunt the porker" when 47 different sectors are lit
up with guys just score paddin'. MORE 250 field maps!
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New Maps = more fun these same old maps that are being used are getting old really fast sorry but i have seen more complain about this change than any other change :rolleyes:
simple. GET PLAYERS TO MAKE THE MAPS!!! :rofl
These maps are player made. make em and submit em. otherwise wait for someone else to make em and throw HTC's way...
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Personally, I love having 250 field maps. That way when the CAP comes into effect and there's 60 total people in
an arena, we can each have six fields. Then we can play "hunt the porker" when 47 different sectors are lit
up with guys just score paddin'. MORE 250 field maps!
Look here old man. You cant remember the base you just took off from.
:neener:
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simple. GET PLAYERS TO MAKE THE MAPS!!! :rofl
These maps are player made. make em and submit em. otherwise wait for someone else to make em and throw HTC's way...
like i have said before if i had the patience lol i would
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like i have said before if i had the patience lol i would
then sentence number two in my post works for you bone :aok
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Never mind I'll just email HT to get an answer for my question :salute
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Skuzzy can you lock this thread, its going no where :salute
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Skuzzy can you lock this thread, its going no where :salute
A waste of his time. Map & ENY whine threads are a dime @ dozen.
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You guys asked for all this crap. Now it's time to pay the fiddler. Everybody crys and moans,..... HTC changes stuff around to give the customers what they want and now we don't like it. Imagine that. :rolleyes:
Becareful of what ya ask for. You just might get it. ;)
+1
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Look here old man. You cant remember the base you just took off from.
:neener:
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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A waste of his time. whine threads are a dime @ dozen.
fixed it for ya.
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No wonder the diviorce rate continues to climb.
Tired of the same old wife (or vice versa).....
It must be such a burden to live in the same old house and work the same old job day after day for you all.
:cry
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P.S.
which is it?
here here,
for the first time in years the few can fly as the many (oops I mean a squadron) :noid
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for squads like ours :rofl Just so ya know TheFew have never had a problem getting into the same arena as the others this change did nothing for us but create more kills to be landed ;)
:devil
wrongway
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Dang it, BJ! Don't encourage BiPolar when he's yankin' my chain like that. it's just plain cruel, and mean. ;)
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The problem is lack of map rotation?
The requirement for 40% of the other sides' fields is a gigantic hill to climb on a small map. It often requires a "leap" across an area of uncapturable fields. It's not impossible to do, just very difficult. Super horde can do it with discipline. It is similar to the problem we have just overcome with the larger towns and old capture system.
To increase the map turnover rate is a very simple fix for HTC. All they have to do is reduce the required target to be less than the current 40%. Try 35%, if that doesn't work then try 30%.
I don't know of any absolute metric that can quantify the point when play on a map becomes boring. Gut feeling says about 3 days. A straw poll might give some sort community reflection on how long a map is in use before it gets stale.
Given that there will always be tougher maps and easier maps there will not be a perfect answer. Right now, in off hours arena, 40% is too high.
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Or why not change the maps once a week or every other week like they used to??? Very easy to do and everybody wins :)
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thinking of downloading the terrain editor and trying my hand at it
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A few suggestions if anyone is thinking of designing an MA terrain:
Read the stickied MA terrain requirements threads in the TE forum, there are a lot of rules and guidelines about what you can and can't include and how you can lay fields out etc.
Draw out your map idea and post it in the TE forum. The experienced terrain designers in the forum can point out any possible problems before you get started.
Personally I'd suggest you work out your field layout, then draw your terrain around it. Rather than draw your terrain and fit the fields into it.
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The problem is lack of map rotation?
The requirement for 40% of the other sides' fields is a gigantic hill to climb on a small map. It often requires a "leap" across an area of uncapturable fields. It's not impossible to do, just very difficult. Super horde can do it with discipline. It is similar to the problem we have just overcome with the larger towns and old capture system.
To increase the map turnover rate is a very simple fix for HTC. All they have to do is reduce the required target to be less than the current 40%. Try 35%, if that doesn't work then try 30%.
I don't know of any absolute metric that can quantify the point when play on a map becomes boring. Gut feeling says about 3 days. A straw poll might give some sort community reflection on how long a map is in use before it gets stale.
Given that there will always be tougher maps and easier maps there will not be a perfect answer. Right now, in off hours arena, 40% is too high.
Actually, if the country with 40% of country A's bases would start attacking country B instead of continuing to hoard county A, the warz may get one faster.
:rolleyes:
The last "win teh warz" I saw on the side I was currently flying on, a single squad was rolling bases and seemed to have a plan. IIRC they even did "leap" to complete what seemed to be their goal.
wrongway
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Given that there will always be tougher maps and easier maps there will not be a perfect answer. Right now, in off hours arena, 40% is too high.
I will slot in as one whom is quite happy with the recent arena changes, as due to the time I play, it works for me even though I am not in Europe.
The Off Hours arena map currently in use is the only real problem that I see as far as rotation goes. It shouldn't even be in the rotation. Or at least, not in an arena that is played 60% or more of the day, day after day. The rooks (or whom ever holds that section of the map), hold a mostly unassailable position that sees a lot of give and take over time between the Knits and Bish side of things. This map will never be won (reset), unless the Rooks somehow manage to do it.
Or as you and fellow squaddie GHI have suggested, lowering the rate required for a reset might be something to test out. Failing that, mandated resets at predetermined points should be instituted. At the very least, completely remove the current Off Hours map from the rotation, imo. Yes, they all have their good and bad points and you won't please everyone, but that is the worst because one country has a much larger advantage and when I look at the requirements for designing maps for the MA, I fail to see how that one passed muster ...
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u thought sliced bread was a good idea. how about a gv battle arena? no planes just gvs.
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you and fellow squaddie GHI
What? :confused: Never been in a squad with GHI. Would be happy enough though if it were so.
A1+++++!Would voolch with again! +++++++1A :D
I like the arena changes too.
Mindy is difficult to reset because the "west" country has a narrow front. I only recall seeing the west country reset twice under the old rules. 40% is a huge ask whilst defending a long open front simultaneously. You're basically right, the west country holds an advantage in that it has little threat to defend against. It has the greatest chance of resetting. The problem for them is that if they roll forward north they get only a few bases forward and they hit the uncapturable area. If they go south they strike the same deal. In both cases they open up a wide flank which is easily porked and probed.
Make it about 30% and it is just attainable with effort.
The simple fact is that is this way because HTC currently choose to make it this way. I guess they must like it this way because they have shown not the slightest inclination to experiment with, adjust, or publicly review it for quite some time that I am aware of. That being so, get used to fighting on the same map for weeks, if not months, until a server crash or some other miracle occurs.
Of course they could fix it tomorrow. They've made good moves recently. They might even bin the "new" strat system. Who knows what lurks in the hearts of men?
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i <3 mindanao.
the best map, ever.
gorgeous terrain, diverse altitudes, and small enough for even just a few players to have a "BIG furball."