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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: cpxxx on January 13, 2011, 04:14:48 PM
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(http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2011/nachtwey_afghanistan/nachtwey_09.jpg)
This photo is on the cover of Time magazine in Europe. But for some reason not the USA. It really caught my eye. It's a US Marine carrying an injured child to a dustoff in Afghanistan. It's almost timeless, it could be Iwo Jima, Korea, Vietnam.
Thought you guys would appreciate it.
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The person that took it may be from Europe.
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James Nachtway, as American as apple pie. A well known war photographer.
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Can't have good news or images coming to the states by the media. That would be just wrong ya know.
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US Media doesn't care about anything other than ratings.
Semper Fi to that Devil Dog.
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US Media doesn't care about anything other than ratings.
Semper Fi to that Devil Dog.
Not even close to accurate.
The US Media at large hate the military, and anything that makes our soldiers look good.
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Great picture , at first glance it does look like something out of WW II or Korea. Gotta love the marines, My kid is on the way to Afghanistan later this year.
Wojo
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The U.S. doesn't care about Afganistan.
After all, all the terrorists were in Iraq.
:bolt:
wrongway
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It is a good photo that shows that there are time in the battle field, a solider stops being a worrier and starts being human
:salute to the man and women who fought in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
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your right, it is almost timeless looking,It's a touching picture thanks for posting it :aok
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Not to be insensitive, but I can't make out the child in the photo. Help please?
-Penguin
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What was featured on the cover of the US issue when this was being run in Europe?
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Not to be insensitive, but I can't make out the child in the photo. Help please?
-Penguin
The bundle in the soldier's arms. Jeez.
Nice photo <S>
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This was the US cover.
http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20110117,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20110117,00.html)
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The bundle in the soldier's arms. Jeez.
Nice photo <S>
Precisely, forgive me, I'm not good at playing where's Waldo when I don't know what Waldo looks like.
-Penguin
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I have to agree, this picture is timeless.
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Can't have good news or images coming to the states by the media. That would be just wrong ya know.
The baby that is being carried by the Marine was wounded in a coalition air attack.
ack-ack
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Not even close to accurate.
The US Media at large hate the military, and anything that makes our soldiers look good.
What a total load of crap. My sister's boy has been in combat in Afghanistan for the last six months. His best friend and another guy in his squad were killed by an IED. Six other guys in the unit were blown to pieces by a car bomb. He was 30 yards away and was picking up the pieces afterwards. Most recently his platoon leader had his legs blown off five yards from my nephew. Don't even get me started on how much combat they see.
It's not covered cause we don't want to see it. If it's such media hatred, where are the pictures of those dead US soldiers? Where is any coverage at all? We don't want to know and it's an absolute disgrace. If we don't see it we can ignore it and keep pretending those kids don't matter cause they are someone elses. My sister hardly sleeps anymore for worry. If the media were the bad guys here, they'd have coverage of it all over the place. Instead it's swept to the side because we're too worried about the latest celeb gossip or who we can blame from the left or the right.
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:salute
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What a total load of crap. My sister's boy has been in combat in Afghanistan for the last six months. His best friend and another guy in his squad were killed by an IED. Six other guys in the unit were blown to pieces by a car bomb. He was 30 yards away and was picking up the pieces afterwards. Most recently his platoon leader had his legs blown off five yards from my nephew. Don't even get me started on how much combat they see.
It's not covered cause we don't want to see it. If it's such media hatred, where are the pictures of those dead US soldiers? Where is any coverage at all? We don't want to know and it's an absolute disgrace. If we don't see it we can ignore it and keep pretending those kids don't matter cause they are someone elses. My sister hardly sleeps anymore for worry. If the media were the bad guys here, they'd have coverage of it all over the place. Instead it's swept to the side because we're too worried about the latest celeb gossip or who we can blame from the left or the right.
Quoted for absolute truth.
We have had 21 service personnel killed which is so far short of the 1,387 USA deaths that it's almost an insult to use the 2 numbers in the same sentance.
That notwithstanding each time we lose a life there it is large news and because it happens so rarely and has to be in the news the event prompts discussion and debate as to whether these citizens should still be in harms way after almost 10 years in a country that is meant to be a democracy now. After all the resources thrown at it, Afghanistan should be one of the safest places on earth.
Moreover media attention to a philandering golfer or a mid twenties actress who uses drugs and spends about 20 minutes in jail insults an entire country when the lives of it's citizens are being risked and lost. When did we become so shallow?
Great photo - thanks for sharing.
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The baby that is being carried by the Marine was wounded in a coalition air attack.
ack-ack
Ding! Ding! we have a winner now I wonder why it wasn't in our Time. And I wonder what the European Time had to say about it.
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Were spoon feed in America
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It's not covered cause we don't want to see it.
I think its more of a safety issue than anything. Journalists that report on frontline combat are exposed to the same dangers faced by the people they're covering. There's a reason why the media egos are always in Kabul, or Baghdad, or [insert safest place that's still "credibly" in the combat zone here]. I've seen it with my own eyes. There are some journalists that want to get out there where the action is, but not many. And the ones that do get wounded or killed just like the combatants. There's a reason Ernie Pyle is buried on Ie Shima--that's the price those guys have to be willing to pay to cover the stuff we really need to see. Unfortunately, not many have the stones to do it. Can't say that I blame them really--voluntarily going and getting shot at is something tough to justify to your wife, kids, and even your editor. I have a ton of respect for those that do though.
I remember Forest Sawyer coming aboard my ship during the Kosovo campaign, and he looked like he was on safari, with his pressed and clean khaki bush jacket, cargo pants, and immaculate Danner boots. He'd "been" in Albania for a week prior to coming aboard in supposedly knee deep mud...right. The free-lance guys were the only ones that were going to go ashore with us...
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What does it take to be a photographer in a war zone? How does one go about getting in with the troops?
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The cover as it appeared:
(http://img.timeinc.net/time/images/covers/europe/2011/20110117_400.jpg)
There is a link on this page if you would like to purchase a copy of the cover:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/europe/0,9263,901110117,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/europe/0,9263,901110117,00.html)
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LOL Wrgway. :aok
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(http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2011/nachtwey_afghanistan/nachtwey_09.jpg)
This photo is on the cover of Time magazine in Europe. But for some reason not the USA. It really caught my eye. It's a US Marine carrying an injured child to a dustoff in Afghanistan. It's almost timeless, it could be Iwo Jima, Korea, Vietnam.
Thought you guys would appreciate it.
Why was it not shown in USA?
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What does it take to be a photographer in a war zone? How does one go about getting in with the troops?
I think the DoD has an accreditation program that "qualifies" journalists to imbed with U.S. units. May be able to find something on the DoD website.
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Not even close to accurate.
The US Media at large hate the military, and anything that makes our soldiers look good.
Or might have something to do with civillian child casualty in picture. Those were pretty much banned after Vietnam IIRC. Bad for homeland morale.
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Actually this photo was in the US issue of time. Part of a 5 page photo spread on Black Hawk medevac unit in Afghanistan. This was a full page shot and also a 2 full page shot of two children being treated in the medevac helicopter. Captioned as the children being injured in a coalition airstrike.
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Link to the article in Time online. http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2040942,00.html
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Just a note, people in other parts of the world care about Afghanistan also. Just because a photo appears in one part of the world first, doesn't mean it's the undertones of some huge cover-up or something... maybe your grandma just hasn't gotten around to forwarding it to you yet.
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(I am sure most of you have seen it, but.....)
Here is a pic taken by Michael Yon back in 2005 in Iraq. He has been embedded with US and British forces off an on for six or seven years. He has written 3 books on the subject.
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/little-girl.htm
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6322/744/1600/Yon%20Iraq%20Photo.jpg)
"Major Mark Bieger found this little girl after the car bomb that attacked our guys while kids were crowding around. The soldiers here have been angry and sad for two days. They are angry because the terrorists could just as easily have waited a block or two and attacked the patrol away from the kids. Instead, the suicide bomber drove his car and hit the Stryker when about twenty children were jumping up and down and waving at the soldiers. Major Bieger, I had seen him help rescue some of our guys a week earlier during another big attack, took some of our soldiers and rushed this little girl to our hospital. He wanted her to have American surgeons and not to go to the Iraqi hospital. She didn’t make it. I snapped this picture when Major Bieger ran to take her away. He kept stopping to talk with her and hug her.
The soldiers went back to that neighborhood the next day to ask what they could do. The people were very warm and welcomed us into their homes, and many kids were actually running up to say hello and to ask soldiers to shake hands."
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What a total load of crap. My sister's boy has been in combat in Afghanistan for the last six months. His best friend and another guy in his squad were killed by an IED. Six other guys in the unit were blown to pieces by a car bomb. He was 30 yards away and was picking up the pieces afterwards. Most recently his platoon leader had his legs blown off five yards from my nephew. Don't even get me started on how much combat they see.
It's not covered cause we don't want to see it. If it's such media hatred, where are the pictures of those dead US soldiers? Where is any coverage at all? We don't want to know and it's an absolute disgrace. If we don't see it we can ignore it and keep pretending those kids don't matter cause they are someone elses. My sister hardly sleeps anymore for worry. If the media were the bad guys here, they'd have coverage of it all over the place. Instead it's swept to the side because we're too worried about the latest celeb gossip or who we can blame from the left or the right.
You nailed that one.
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Well, especially in USA, the culture is different. I'm not even talking about the politically correct "don't show negative stuff", but I'm pretty sure that if a news mag would show a gutted out dead American soldier on their cover, parents of said soldier will sue the heck out of the news mag. :old:
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:salute To all our boys in the UK and USA who protect our countries :old:
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Well, especially in USA, the culture is different. I'm not even talking about the politically correct "don't show negative stuff", but I'm pretty sure that if a news mag would show a gutted out dead American soldier on their cover, parents of said soldier will sue the heck out of the news mag. :old:
Just for the heckuvit, I checked CNN and FOX online. Neither had a single line about Afghanistan on their front pages. Trust me, our guys including my nephew were in combat.
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It's not either of those reasons, it's that the story is old. Over and over again, the same thing appears:
US soldier killed
Atrocities planned by terrorists
Mistakes made by US soldiers
These networks want ratings, not to put out the news. If Tiger Woods' latest confession gets people's attention more than the boys in the sandbox, it would only make sense to put Tiger Woods on the news. There's no conspiracy, just a truly disheartening product of the free-market news model (a model which I support, however).
-Penguin
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Just for the heckuvit, I checked CNN and FOX online. Neither had a single line about Afghanistan on their front pages. Trust me, our guys including my nephew were in combat.
I know, I still watch European news from time to time to get a more 'complete picture'.
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It's not either of those reasons, it's that the story is old. Over and over again, the same thing appears:
US soldier killed
Atrocities planned by terrorists
Mistakes made by US soldiers
These networks want ratings, not to put out the news. If Tiger Woods' latest confession gets people's attention more than the boys in the sandbox, it would only make sense to put Tiger Woods on the news. There's no conspiracy, just a truly disheartening product of the free-market news model (a model which I support, however).
-Penguin
The story is old for who? Didn't stop coverage during WW2, Korea or Vietnam
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I have hope.
I hope that child recovered and can live life free. I hope that particular Marine, and ALL allied servicemen fighting in Afghanistan are able to finish the mission of enabling that country to evolve into a self governed nation with decent values, and that they they come home safe to loving family and friends.
Some of that hope is very reasonable.
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Precisely, forgive me, I'm not good at playing where's Waldo when I don't know what Waldo looks like.
-Penguin
babies in swaddling pretty much all look alike
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Quoted for absolute truth.
We have had 21 service personnel killed which is so far short of the 1,387 USA deaths that it's almost an insult to use the 2 numbers in the same sentance.
That notwithstanding each time we lose a life there it is large news and because it happens so rarely and has to be in the news the event prompts discussion and debate as to whether these citizens should still be in harms way after almost 10 years in a country that is meant to be a democracy now. After all the resources thrown at it, Afghanistan should be one of the safest places on earth.
Moreover media attention to a philandering golfer or a mid twenties actress who uses drugs and spends about 20 minutes in jail insults an entire country when the lives of it's citizens are being risked and lost. When did we become so shallow?
Great photo - thanks for sharing.
I doubt there are very many journalists covering Afghanistan any more, at least from close up, which is depressing. Of note, murders in Prince Georges County, MD outnumber our service deaths since Jan 1
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http://www.marines.mil/unit/29palms/Pages/3rdCEBmournslostbrothers.aspx (http://www.marines.mil/unit/29palms/Pages/3rdCEBmournslostbrothers.aspx)
My sons unit had a memorial service today for the 4 who didn't come home last month.
The 3rd Battalion 5th Marines has lost 23 Marines in 3 months. including the son of a 3 star general...But I never see this anywhere in the news
It does seem they have pushed the issue out of the mainstream and to the back page as of late.
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babies in swaddling pretty much all look alike
Oh, ok, I was just wondering where the face was, or if the whole thing was covered.
-Penguin
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http://www.marines.mil/unit/29palms/Pages/3rdCEBmournslostbrothers.aspx (http://www.marines.mil/unit/29palms/Pages/3rdCEBmournslostbrothers.aspx)
My sons unit had a memorial service today for the 4 who didn't come home last month.
The 3rd Battalion 5th Marines has lost 23 Marines in 3 months. including the son of a 3 star general...But I never see this anywhere in the news
It does seem they have pushed the issue out of the mainstream and to the back page as of late.
You can bet if all of our kids were subject to service, there'd be a lot more attention paid. It's someone elses kid though. It amazes me the number of tours some of these guys are doing too. I just don't think it's right to expect that much. I hope your son gets home safely.
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You can bet if all of our kids were subject to service, there'd be a lot more attention paid. It's someone elses kid though. It amazes me the number of tours some of these guys are doing too. I just don't think it's right to expect that much. I hope your son gets home safely.
Why? It seems like mandatory service would only take away the final years of brain development during which higher learning can be accomplished. Would you honestly send Albert Einstein or Sigmund Freud out to the front lines?
-Penguin
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There are all sorts of learning....maybe seeing a far different side of life (other than the university world) would have kept Freud from being such a sex-obsessed loon :)
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There are all sorts of learning....maybe seeing a far different side of life (other than the university world) would have kept Freud from being such a sex-obsessed loon :)
:lol
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Why? It seems like mandatory service would only take away the final years of brain development during which higher learning can be accomplished. Would you honestly send Albert Einstein or Sigmund Freud out to the front lines?
-Penguin
Germany and Austria had, and still have, mandatory service. Many/most European countries do. It doesn't really seem to hurt anything.
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I think its more of a safety issue than anything. Journalists that report on frontline combat are exposed to the same dangers faced by the people they're covering. There's a reason why the media egos are always in Kabul, or Baghdad, or [insert safest place that's still "credibly" in the combat zone here]. I've seen it with my own eyes. There are some journalists that want to get out there where the action is, but not many. And the ones that do get wounded or killed just like the combatants. There's a reason Ernie Pyle is buried on Ie Shima--that's the price those guys have to be willing to pay to cover the stuff we really need to see. Unfortunately, not many have the stones to do it. Can't say that I blame them really--voluntarily going and getting shot at is something tough to justify to your wife, kids, and even your editor. I have a ton of respect for those that do though.
I remember Forest Sawyer coming aboard my ship during the Kosovo campaign, and he looked like he was on safari, with his pressed and clean khaki bush jacket, cargo pants, and immaculate Danner boots. He'd "been" in Albania for a week prior to coming aboard in supposedly knee deep mud...right. The free-lance guys were the only ones that were going to go ashore with us...
Out here in the Bay Area, we had an overseas reporter get hit by an IED, he luckily managed to live (Basically the same injury suffered by Gabrielle Giffords). As far as I can remember, he's made as close to a complete recovery one can make while having a huge dent in your head.
There are all sorts of learning....maybe seeing a far different side of life (other than the university world) would have kept Freud from being such a sex-obsessed loon :)
I'm pretty sure Einstein was also a little sex crazed himself, cheated on his wife (also cousin) with 12 different women.
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Germany and Austria had, and still have, mandatory service. Many/most European countries do. It doesn't really seem to hurt anything.
Do these countries take a active role with the USA?
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You can bet if all of our kids were subject to service, there'd be a lot more attention paid.
Without a doubt, but I was glad I never had any draftees in any of my units either. An all-volunteer force is the way to go, regardless of the perceived disinterest back home. Personally, if there was a news channel where I knew I'd get to see 15 mins of Afghanistan coverage daily, I'd tune in every night.
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Do these countries take a active role with the USA?
When Einstein and Freud were alive? Uh... yeah.
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today do they take a active role with the USA?
Freud and Einstein could not give a rats arse about these self serving academics
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today do they take a active role with the USA?
Freud and Einstein could not give a rats arse about these self serving academics
Well that was the entire point, he said that with compulsory service such men wouldn't have arose, yet both of them came from major military powers which required military service.
But yes, the German military is involved in Afghanistan... several other countries with compulsory service are too.
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Why? It seems like mandatory service would only take away the final years of brain development during which higher learning can be accomplished. Would you honestly send Albert Einstein or Sigmund Freud out to the front lines?
-Penguin
Your suggesting that people of that caliber don't serve now? Just lesser mortals who we can afford to have killed? Sacrifice the many to protect the few? Who gets to decide? We all share the benefits of this country. Why should only a certain few bear the brunt of protecting it?
My nephew with the 101st in Afghanistan is a bright kid. So were the buddies he's lost.
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What a total load of crap. My sister's boy has been in combat in Afghanistan for the last six months. His best friend and another guy in his squad were killed by an IED. Six other guys in the unit were blown to pieces by a car bomb. He was 30 yards away and was picking up the pieces afterwards. Most recently his platoon leader had his legs blown off five yards from my nephew. Don't even get me started on how much combat they see.
It's not covered cause we don't want to see it. If it's such media hatred, where are the pictures of those dead US soldiers? Where is any coverage at all? We don't want to know and it's an absolute disgrace. If we don't see it we can ignore it and keep pretending those kids don't matter cause they are someone elses. My sister hardly sleeps anymore for worry. If the media were the bad guys here, they'd have coverage of it all over the place. Instead it's swept to the side because we're too worried about the latest celeb gossip or who we can blame from the left or the right.
QFT.
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Why? It seems like mandatory service would only take away the final years of brain development during which higher learning can be accomplished. Would you honestly send Albert Einstein or Sigmund Freud out to the front lines?
-Penguin
Albert Einstein was only a high school drop out at that time. Are you suggesting an IQ test decides who goes to war and who stays? :rolleyes:
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Your suggesting that people of that caliber don't serve now? Just lesser mortals who we can afford to have killed? Sacrifice the many to protect the few? Who gets to decide? We all share the benefits of this country. Why should only a certain few bear the brunt of protecting it?
My nephew with the 101st in Afghanistan is a bright kid. So were the buddies he's lost.
So what you're saying is, that since there aren't enough volunteers, we should use conscripts? Not a bad idea in a conventional war, but in a fight that's half PR, having Privates Beavis and Butthead blasting poor Haddib and his family doesn't make a good impression on our primary source of intelligence.
-Penguin
Albert Einstein was only a high school drop out at that time. Are you suggesting an IQ test decides who goes to war and who stays? :rolleyes:
No, not at all. I was advocating an all-volunteer army.
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Volunteer army is a fantastic idea and system when you have enough volunteers... :noid
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So what you're saying is, that since there aren't enough volunteers, we should use conscripts? Not a bad idea in a conventional war, but in a fight that's half PR, having Privates Beavis and Butthead blasting poor Haddib and his family doesn't make a good impression on our primary source of intelligence.
-Penguin
No, not at all. I was advocating an all-volunteer army.
So you are volunteering?
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So what you're saying is, that since there aren't enough volunteers, we should use conscripts? Not a bad idea in a conventional war, but in a fight that's half PR, having Privates Beavis and Butthead blasting poor Haddib and his family doesn't make a good impression on our primary source of intelligence.
This example is a poor one at best. I agree the military should stay an all volunteer force but not because of PVTs Beavis and Butthead. It is rather comforting to know the guys and gals on my left and right are there because they chose to be.
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So you are volunteering?
Heck no! That was my entire point! :rofl
-Penguin
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This example is a poor one at best. I agree the military should stay an all volunteer force but not because of PVTs Beavis and Butthead. It is rather comforting to know the guys and gals on my left and right are there because they chose to be.
There's a great example, also, knowing that they won't crack under pressure is great too.
-Penguin
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Who said that just because they volunteered that they won't crack? :rolleyes:
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Who said that just because they volunteered that they won't crack? :rolleyes:
Penguin did. He knows everything so I would not question it.
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You have a point about that, but they'd be less likely to crack, since nobody forced them to join.
-Penguin
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You have a point about that, but they'd be less likely to crack, since nobody forced them to join.
-Penguin
And because they're volunteers they already have experience in combat and know what it's all about?
LOL who you kidding?
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And because they're volunteers they already have experience in combat and know what it's all about?
LOL who you kidding?
Yup.As I can gather, most of our guys in WW2 were draftees, thus, most of the bravest. Found a site that goes into the process somewhat
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-422306.html
Not exactly what the OP asks for, but here are some interesring stats.:
Total number of inductees for WWII (1940-1946)
including draftees before Pearl Harbor
10,110,114
By Year:
1940 - 18,633
1941 - 923,842
1942 - 3,033,361
1943 - 3,323,970
1944 - 1,591,942
1945 - 945,862
1946 - 183,383
From here:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~miisabel/militaryWWII.htm
<This was funny:
Will Repair
05-26-2007, 01:10 PM
A relative volunteered for the service in WWII. He was told he didn't score high enough on the tests to join the Navy (which he wanted.) So they sent him to the Army.
The Army assigned him to the Army Air Corp which made him a pilot.
He piloted B-17 in the Eighth Air Force.>
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And because they're volunteers they already have experience in combat and know what it's all about?
LOL who you kidding?
:rofl :aok
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And because they're volunteers they already have experience in combat and know what it's all about?
LOL who you kidding?
No, I was referring to the shock of seeing one's whole life fall apart (being drafted into say, a rifle company) exacerbating whatever further psychological trauma one suffers during a tour of duty.
-Penguin
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No, I was referring to the shock of seeing one's whole life fall apart (being drafted into say, a rifle company) exacerbating whatever further psychological trauma one suffers during a tour of duty.
-Penguin
I'm guessing you don't think through what you are going to say first.
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it's swept to the side because we're too worried about the latest celeb gossip or who we can blame from the left or the right.
Or as you seemed to be saying earlier in this post, because most people don't have the stomach for it. Also why celeb gossip and political blame game are so popular in the first place.
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Bout time you showed up!
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Fraid I can't stay much.. Actually gotta get up in 4 hours for hard hour at the gym then full day of class. I should know better.
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Or as you seemed to be saying earlier in this post, because most people don't have the stomach for it. Also why celeb gossip and political blame game are so popular in the first place.
I read about this speech back when I was in High School in the 70s. It speaks volumes, even from 1958. Murrow called it.
http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/commentary/hiddenagenda/murrow.html
Just one paragraph from the linked speech. Scary how right he was
"And this brings us to the nub of the question. In one sense it rather revolves around the phrase heard frequently along Madison Avenue: The Corporate Image. I am not precisely sure what this phrase means, but I would imagine that it reflects a desire on the part of the corporations who pay the advertising bills to have the public image, or believe that they are not merely bodies with no souls, panting in pursuit of elusive dollars. They would like us to believe that they can distinguish between the public good and the private or corporate gain. So the question is this: Are the big corporations who pay the freight for radio and television programs wise to use that time exclusively for the sale of goods and services? Is it in their own interest and that of the stockholders so to do? The sponsor of an hour's television program is not buying merely the six minutes devoted to commercial message. He is determining, within broad limits, the sum total of the impact of the entire hour. If he always, invariably, reaches for the largest possible audience, then this process of insulation, of escape from reality, will continue to be massively financed, and its apologist will continue to make winsome speeches about giving the public what it wants, or "letting the public decide.""
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I read about this speech back when I was in High School in the 70s. It speaks volumes, even from 1958. Murrow called it.
http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/commentary/hiddenagenda/murrow.html
Just one paragraph from the linked speech. Scary how right he was
"And this brings us to the nub of the question. In one sense it rather revolves around the phrase heard frequently along Madison Avenue: The Corporate Image. I am not precisely sure what this phrase means, but I would imagine that it reflects a desire on the part of the corporations who pay the advertising bills to have the public image, or believe that they are not merely bodies with no souls, panting in pursuit of elusive dollars. They would like us to believe that they can distinguish between the public good and the private or corporate gain. So the question is this: Are the big corporations who pay the freight for radio and television programs wise to use that time exclusively for the sale of goods and services? Is it in their own interest and that of the stockholders so to do? The sponsor of an hour's television program is not buying merely the six minutes devoted to commercial message. He is determining, within broad limits, the sum total of the impact of the entire hour. If he always, invariably, reaches for the largest possible audience, then this process of insulation, of escape from reality, will continue to be massively financed, and its apologist will continue to make winsome speeches about giving the public what it wants, or "letting the public decide.""
That man is a dreamer, and a visionary, but unfortunately, he just proved that his own idea is impossible. Being insulated and not having think feels too good to give up (we all fall victim to this, no exceptions).
-Penguin
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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Is a volunteer.
15T Blackhawk Maintainer/repair and now crewchief.
(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff442/Vuduvince/PA190013.jpg)
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Nice picture!
-Penguin
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That's a great photo. It really captures the humanity and part of the reality for our combat troops that we rarely see.
Our troops doing many great things out there that would never get the recognition for. For the troops themselves I don't think it really matters. It's good for the folks back at home to see that they are trying to make a different. The problem with some journalist is that you'd never know what they're going to write. I've taken them on mission a few times and I really have to be careful with my wording because a wrong phrase get quoted by them can really put me in a tough spot.
I think it's also a miss and hit for the journalist. The majority of missions, everything goes according to plan and there's really no picture or a good story. Out of 300+ combat missions, I only can count maybe a dozen missions where we had contact. Out of those dozen only 3 missions where my platoon took casualties, and only 1 mission had KIAs. I only took journalist out maybe on 4 missions, so the chances of them getting a pictures of the negative side is quite rare. Most of those pictures would have to come from the soldiers themselves. A lot of it though are some what consider classified, especially of KIA and damage vehicles. That is probably why we don't see a lot of it floating around, at least of the last few years.
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That's a great photo. It really captures the humanity and part of the reality for our combat troops that we rarely see.
What's the other part? :headscratch: Combat?
-Penguin
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Guppy - Pretty sure I've heard of that speech, but haven't ever read it.. Bookmarked it.
[his idea] is impossible. Being insulated and not having think feels too good to give up (we all fall victim to this, no exceptions).
IOW there is no value to working for anything?
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