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Title: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: bc21 on January 13, 2011, 10:03:05 PM
can we get it changed so that if you ditch next to the runway you still get credit for your kills? Had 3 kills but was engine out and rolled off runway before i could get plane stoped so didnt get credit for them.
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Guppy35 on January 13, 2011, 10:10:25 PM
Does it really matter?
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Chalenge on January 13, 2011, 10:11:29 PM
YES it matters. The game is no fun if you take away the possibility of failure.

-1
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Muzzy on January 13, 2011, 10:16:54 PM
Dude if you loose your engine just belly land on the runway.  You won't slide off if you do it right.
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Mar on January 13, 2011, 10:20:20 PM
(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Rizzor/beatingadeadhorse.gif)
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: grizz441 on January 13, 2011, 10:22:21 PM
can we get it changed so that if you ditch next to the runway you still get credit for your kills? Had 3 kills but was engine out and rolled off runway before i could get plane stoped so didnt get credit for them.

You got credit for the kills, just not your name in the lights.  It's a ridiculous wish. You have to land within the determined boundaries to get full credit.  Why is that so hard to accept.
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: shiv on January 13, 2011, 10:28:11 PM
Seems reasonable, but part of the fun is that concrete is the determiner.  So when you're down some parts and under attack and you land some kills is that much more satisfying,
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Melvin on January 13, 2011, 10:49:44 PM
So I'm comin' in hot.

Oil pressure and fuel level are both near zero.

Half a wing is missing.

This is gonna be close. Is my speed right? Check my list. Have I got gear? Man, this game gets intense sometimes. That runway looks like a narrow target.




Oh wait, I just gotta flop her down anywhere on the field. Oh heck, no big deal then. I thought this game was exciting for a minute.
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Muzzy on January 13, 2011, 11:52:12 PM
Yeah, landing a B-26 with no elevators just wouldn't be as hot.

Did I mention I once landed a B-26 with no elevators?  :airplane:
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: guncrasher on January 14, 2011, 12:31:20 AM
Yeah, landing a B-26 with no elevators just wouldn't be as hot.

Did I mention I once landed a B-26 with no elevators?  :airplane:

i once landed a b26 with no tail.  some guy vulched me as i was landing and somehow I ended up on runway :).  with no elevators, i have several videos somewhere.  but in rl it wouldnt have happened, you would flip and nose dive for a vertical landing.

as for the wish, well you did mentioned ditching on airfield, so the title is misleading therefore you lost all credibility. wait till mr finds out you are misleading people.

semp
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: B3YT on January 14, 2011, 04:35:18 AM
maybe for German and RAF aircraft that did not need concrete  runways  you could land on any part of a field but you need to have wheels down  other wise it's a ditch . I would class a landing as being controlled not a belly flop.   
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: 321BAR on January 14, 2011, 05:40:05 AM
Yeah, landing a B-26 with no elevators just wouldn't be as hot.

Did I mention I once landed a B-26 with no elevators?  :airplane:
did i mention i landed a 262 with no wing tips? :D
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: mbailey on January 14, 2011, 05:53:44 AM
did i mention i landed a 262 with no wing tips? :D

Did i mention that ive shot the wingtips off a 262  :noid
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: 321BAR on January 14, 2011, 05:54:25 AM
Did i mention that ive shot the wingtips off a 262  :noid
:noid
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: NormH3 on January 14, 2011, 06:02:23 AM
Anytime I hear the term "ditching" used with aircraft, I think of a water landing. landing next to the runway should be "landing next to the runway"
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: 321BAR on January 14, 2011, 06:09:42 AM
Anytime I hear the term "ditching" used with aircraft, I think of a water landing. landing next to the runway should be "landing next to the runway"
its a game and HTC needed to draw a line somewhere. That was landing on anything concrete. It would need no skill to just land anywhere within the base's radius. ditching is anything that is not landing successfully (even in WWII) and that the aircraft is somewhat/completely salvagable in friendly territory.
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Ghosth on January 14, 2011, 07:11:57 AM
Well said 321.
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: lulu on January 14, 2011, 07:24:14 AM
Ditch across the deck with no fuel ONLY (without no damages) could be an exception.
 
I could get down from the cockpit, take a bit of fuel and use it to park the heavy thing.


 :salute
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: NormH3 on January 14, 2011, 07:41:54 AM
its a game and HTC needed to draw a line somewhere. That was landing on anything concrete. It would need no skill to just land anywhere within the base's radius. ditching is anything that is not landing successfully (even in WWII) and that the aircraft is somewhat/completely salvagable in friendly territory.

I'm not complaining about the rule. Like you said "its a game" . It's really just a matter of semantics. The first time I landed, I wasn't lined up perfectly and came in a little hot. I was trying to bleed off speed, but wasn't able to as fast as I wanted. I was too lazy to go around, but I managed bring her down sfely albeit a little hard. I was suprised when I saw that i had "ditched". That's when I assumed not making the runway properly might not be a plus. Personally, I think you should be accredited with a good landing if the wheels are down and you dont hit anything once on the ground. That's just an opinion..and they make the rules..which is fine by me.
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Dichotomy on January 14, 2011, 07:54:32 AM
your answer can be found here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPK9UwnoekU

Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: NormH3 on January 14, 2011, 07:58:52 AM
your answer can be found here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPK9UwnoekU



 :lol

Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: LLogann on January 14, 2011, 11:02:36 AM
WE ALREADY DO.............

can we get it changed so that if you ditch next to the runway you still get credit for your kills? Had 3 kills but was engine out and rolled off runway before i could get plane stoped so didnt get credit for them.

You're wishing for your name in lights......... Totally DIFF. 
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: LLogann on January 14, 2011, 11:07:30 AM
QFT...  Way after the end of the war, the NTSB & the FAA agreed to making the term ditch strictly related to a water landing, however this game we play is using the term correctly. 

(even in WWII) and that the aircraft is somewhat/completely salvagable in friendly territory.
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: B4Buster on January 14, 2011, 12:37:43 PM
/hijack.             Saw a great video of a man landing an airplane without using any elevator or aileron input. He relied only on throttle, trim, and rudder. Morale is if it can be done with a real aircraft, it can be done here. Successful landing zones do not need to be expanded.
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: B4Buster on January 14, 2011, 12:39:42 PM
Whoops, can't edit from my phone. Meant "moral"
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: MachFly on January 14, 2011, 09:06:04 PM
-1 our runways are big enough
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: lulu on January 15, 2011, 08:59:07 AM
The point is not how much they are big.

Situation:

2 kills and coming back at home low fuel but a con find you. He looses the fight and you reach your filed but
fuels is empty and you ditch landing INTO the field.

Result: ditched or good fight after all?


 :salute
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: LLogann on January 15, 2011, 09:14:17 AM
Both!  This little complication of ours is simply........ As real as it gets, and you just described why Sir.   :salute

The point is not how much they are big.

Situation:

2 kills and coming back at home low fuel but a con find you. He looses the fight and you reach your filed but
fuels is empty and you ditch landing INTO the field.

Result: ditched or good fight after all?


 :salute
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Denholm on January 15, 2011, 09:35:38 AM
The point is not how much they are big.

Situation:

2 kills and coming back at home low fuel but a con find you. He looses the fight and you reach your filed but
fuels is empty and you ditch landing INTO the field.

Result: ditched or good fight after all?


 :salute
Learn to glide.
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Avanti on January 16, 2011, 03:16:19 PM
(http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Rizzor/beatingadeadhorse.gif)

that looks more like a Llama
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: grizz441 on January 16, 2011, 03:18:43 PM
So I'm comin' in hot.

Oil pressure and fuel level are both near zero.

Half a wing is missing.

This is gonna be close. Is my speed right? Check my list. Have I got gear? Man, this game gets intense sometimes. That runway looks like a narrow target.




Oh wait, I just gotta flop her down anywhere on the field. Oh heck, no big deal then. I thought this game was exciting for a minute.

 :lol
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Mirage on January 16, 2011, 08:25:37 PM
Would you say it was a successful landing if an airliner pilot landed his 737 beside the runway as opposed to on it?
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Tarstar on January 16, 2011, 08:51:10 PM
Would you say it was a successful landing if an airliner pilot landed his 737 beside the runway as opposed to on it?

 :lol     :aok
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: DMGOD on January 16, 2011, 10:42:43 PM
wow how easy do you guys want this game to be? If your so hard up to see ur name in lights then type ur name on 200. WAAAAAAAAAA towns too hard waaaaaaaaaaaaaa landing on runways too hard waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez a lot of crying for a bunch of "ALPHA MALES" . God forbid  some skill  is required or you have to actually work at it to do something in here. wow why dont u go play solitaire or somthing  :noid
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: NormH3 on January 16, 2011, 10:52:36 PM
Would you say it was a successful landing if an airliner pilot landed his 737 beside the runway as opposed to on it?

if that was his only option because of some circumstance and no one was injured or killed..yes I would have to say its a succesful landing.
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Mirage on January 16, 2011, 11:48:10 PM
we always have the option of a runway in AH :)
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: guncrasher on January 17, 2011, 01:05:03 AM
wow how easy do you guys want this game to be? If your so hard up to see ur name in lights then type ur name on 200. WAAAAAAAAAA towns too hard waaaaaaaaaaaaaa landing on runways too hard waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez a lot of crying for a bunch of "ALPHA MALES" . God forbid  some skill  is required or you have to actually work at it to do something in here. wow why dont u go play solitaire or somthing  :noid

dont forget the i got muted for whatever reason , so I created another account, to get around it  waaaaaa.  :rofl


semp
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: DMGOD on January 17, 2011, 08:09:07 AM
dont forget the i got muted for whatever reason , so I created another account, to get around it  waaaaaa.  :rofl


semp
whatever might you be talking about?!
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: lulu on January 17, 2011, 08:23:55 AM
There is something wrong.

1. Ditching (with only fuel empty) into an airfield --> no message 'you get x kills'

2. landing on the deck with no gear down  ---> message 'yuo get x kills'


 :O
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: ImADot on January 17, 2011, 08:56:47 AM
There is something wrong.

1. Ditching (with only fuel empty) into an airfield --> no message 'you get x kills'

2. landing on the deck with no gear down  ---> message 'yuo get x kills'


 :O


There is nothing wrong.  Touch the concrete an you're fine.  I've been in a hurry to land, banged my prop, skidded off the concrete and got a ditch for my multiple-kill sortie.  Big deal...that's just the way it is.
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: NormH3 on January 17, 2011, 09:13:50 AM

There is nothing wrong.  Touch the concrete an you're fine.  I've been in a hurry to land, banged my prop, skidded off the concrete and got a ditch for my multiple-kill sortie.  Big deal...that's just the way it is.

easy for a dot to say.  :D
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: VonMessa on January 17, 2011, 09:13:52 AM
...   still trying to figure out why I even opened this thread...
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: LLogann on January 17, 2011, 10:37:58 AM
So when I successfully slide my 163 into the main hanger on a vBase, it shouldn't be a successful landing?

There is something wrong.

1. Ditching (with only fuel empty) into an airfield --> no message 'you get x kills'

2. landing on the deck with no gear down  ---> message 'yuo get x kills'


 :O
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: VonMessa on January 17, 2011, 10:43:14 AM
So when I successfully slide my 163 into the main hanger on a vBase, it shouldn't be a successful landing?


Landing gear are overrated...
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Vinkman on January 18, 2011, 09:31:17 AM
You got credit for the kills, just not your name in the lights.  It's a ridiculous wish. You have to land within the determined boundaries to get full credit.  Why is that so hard to accept.

Being a little hard on him aren't you?

Everything that makes the game harder does not always make it better. Getting back to base with a wounded aircraft is the hard part. Emersion is a great part of making the game fun. Realistic challenges are better than silly ones. Returning to base and landing on the field with a damaged plane, but missing the gray patch of ground by two feet seems more silly than realistic. I think that's why people question it. 

You really don;t think there could be an improved version that creates better emerssion and maintains the challenge of a 'successful' landing. Come on, you're the expert/veteran/ guy. You can do better than that.  :aok


Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: NormH3 on January 18, 2011, 09:37:17 AM
Being a little hard on him aren't you?

Everything that makes the game harder does not always make it better. Getting back to base with a wounded aircraft is the hard part. Emersion is a great part of making the game fun. Realistic challenges are better than silly ones. Returning to base and landing on the field with a damaged plane, but missing the gray patch of ground by two feet seems more silly than realistic. I think that's why people question it. 

You really don;t think there could be an improved version that creates better emerssion and maintains the challenge of a 'successful' landing. Come on, you're the expert/veteran/ guy. You can do better than that.  :aok




 :aok
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: BiPoLaR on January 19, 2011, 03:21:11 AM
Yeah, landing a B-26 with no elevators just wouldn't be as hot.

Did I mention I once landed a B-26 with no elevators?  :airplane:
I once landed a 262 with no tips on either wing. Flying with rudder and flaps only. And landed it. Now thats hard.
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: STEELE on January 19, 2011, 08:35:32 AM
Pilot:" good news, Sir, I landed on the runway."  CO:" good, now please move it onto the twiddlin' grass so others may land or T/O!" I could go for inside base on grass, but only with wheels down or itza d1t(h
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: kvuo75 on January 19, 2011, 09:12:49 AM
I once landed a 262 with no tips on either wing. Flying with rudder and flaps only. And landed it. Now thats hard.

ahh I've done the same in 262.. interesting but not too hard, just alot of planning ahead of the approach.. recently I managed to bring an IL2 with no wingtips from town all the way to base onto a runway.. now that was tricky!.  :D
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: grizz441 on January 19, 2011, 12:46:31 PM
Being a little hard on him aren't you?

Everything that makes the game harder does not always make it better. Getting back to base with a wounded aircraft is the hard part. Emersion is a great part of making the game fun. Realistic challenges are better than silly ones. Returning to base and landing on the field with a damaged plane, but missing the gray patch of ground by two feet seems more silly than realistic. I think that's why people question it. 

You really don;t think there could be an improved version that creates better emerssion and maintains the challenge of a 'successful' landing. Come on, you're the expert/veteran/ guy. You can do better than that.  :aok


Vinkman, you're a smart guy and you know that in programming and in this case in particular, you have to define the boundaries/parameters in which counts as a successful landing.  The boundaries must be defined, regardless of whether that boundary is the edge of the concrete, the edge of the base perimeter or whatever, the boundary must be formed.  So regardless of what the defined boundary is, there are two sides to that boundary, unsuccessful landing and successful landing. 

What better boundary would you prefer there to be instead of the edge of the concrete?  <--- Answer this question please. 

Or would you prefer there to be a gray area where if you miss the hard boundary it says SYSTEM: Vinkman almost successfully landed 8 kills but he missed the boundary by 2 feet"
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Ack-Ack on January 19, 2011, 01:18:08 PM
God forbid  some skill  is required or you have to actually work at it to do something in here. wow why dont u go play solitaire or somthing  :noid

The next time you run from a 1v1, you should repeat the above words to yourself.  Just sayin'.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: guncrasher on January 19, 2011, 02:43:58 PM
The next time you run from a 1v1, you should repeat the above words to yourself.  Just sayin'.


ack-ack

nice burn

semp
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Vinkman on January 19, 2011, 08:28:43 PM
Vinkman, you're a smart guy and you know that in programming and in this case in particular, you have to define the boundaries/parameters in which counts as a successful landing.  The boundaries must be defined, regardless of whether that boundary is the edge of the concrete, the edge of the base perimeter or whatever, the boundary must be formed.  So regardless of what the defined boundary is, there are two sides to that boundary, unsuccessful landing and successful landing. 

What better boundary would you prefer there to be instead of the edge of the concrete?  <--- Answer this question please. 

Or would you prefer there to be a gray area where if you miss the hard boundary it says SYSTEM: Vinkman almost successfully landed 8 kills but he missed the boundary by 2 feet"

Now that would be great!
Vinkman almost shot down Muzik but  [holds up thumb and index finger and said in best Don Adams voice] "missed the kill shot by that much".
Vinkman almost killed the dreaded Chicken of Bristol
Vinkman Almost defeated the dreaded beast of Angor.

 Not that you never do...because you do....offer definitive answers to correct the games few faults, but are you really at a loss with this one? simple answer might be 'within the perimeter of the field'. If it doesn't matter for score etc, than I say just just make it more 'realistic.'   :salute
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: grizz441 on January 19, 2011, 09:50:07 PM

 Not that you never do...because you do....offer definitive answers to correct the games few faults, but are you really at a loss with this one? simple answer might be 'within the perimeter of the field'. If it doesn't matter for score etc, than I say just just make it more 'realistic.'   :salute

Okay so the perimeter of the field...  Fair enough.  So what if you land 2 feet from the edge of the field?  You telling me that 2 measly feet and you don't get a land?  That doesn't seem very realistic at all.   :D
Title: Re: Ditching ON airfield
Post by: Dichotomy on January 19, 2011, 10:30:08 PM
wait...

you're supposed to land?

I thought that was only an option in offline mode...