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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Muzzy on January 15, 2011, 11:50:41 PM
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Do any of you K4 sticks have time to show me the ropes? I've got some free time next week, days are better for me.
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Muzzy,
I'll volanteer if nobody else more used to the aircraft chimes in. I'm no expert in that model by any means, but I'm competent in the 109 set. My times are in the evening during the week.
:salute
BigRat
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Muzzy come check out POTW, or AoM. Great 109 sticks. :cheers:
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Muzzy come check out POTW, or AoM. Great 109 sticks. :cheers:
This!
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This!
Uh, forgiveness please, not familiar with those acronyms? Translation? :)
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Muzzy,
Look for Grizz or ardy on the forums and pm them to ask for help.
If you could get intouch with Bighorn2,he is also and excellent 109 stick.
:salute
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Muzzy, when will you be on? I'm free anytime bro. :aok
POTW - Pigs On The Wing
AoM - Army of Muppets
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Muzzy and Rat, if you don't mind someone tailing you around; could you PM me when you are going to go training? I'd like to get some pointers as well.
Boo
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@BigRat Thanks for the offer and I will definitely look you up if I'm on in the evening.
@Krupinski. Ditto, I'll look for you on day shifts. :)
Thanks all!
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If you see me on let me know and we can go to the TA.
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If you see me on let me know and we can go to the TA.
Suns! We need to 1v1 man, it's been too long. :)
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I'm not in the league with a few of these other guys, but I'm glad to help you out however I can man. Just give me a shout if you see me on.
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Don't do it muzzy...those acronym guys will dirty you up :noid
Nah only joking.....good 109 sticks..down right annoying in fact
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Do any of you K4 sticks have time to show me the ropes? I've got some free time next week, days are better for me.
i can show you the fastest way to wreck it :joystick:
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I'm not a trainer but I can show you how to fly it
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Well here's my notes on my experiences with the k4 so far:
1. It seems to work best when I use tactics similar to what I do with the Dora or A8, meaning I fly it as a BnZ'er.
2. It feels like it turns better than the FW's, (which almost goes without saying), at least it turns well enough to set up some shots, but it's not a turn-fighter by any means.
3. It's great for bomber killing, but like the Dora it's susceptible to radiator damage.
4. Controls get mushy around 400, but at least it doesn't creak like the ki84.
5. Flaps are great for getting over the top of loops and (if I'm desperate) for an extra bit of turn at slower speeds.
6. The 30mm is of course an issue. Best range is at 200ish. I have my convergence set for 300. I'm wary of taking longer shots with it because of the ammo load. Deflection shots are difficult, but not impossible.
Against specific aircraft:
Mustang: Good matchup. Killed 2 the other day with no problem.
Spitsteen: A problem. Not sure if it has any distinct advantages over the 16...maybe climb rate?
Corsair: Haven't had a good fight against a hog yet, but have successfully used e-tactics against them with a Ki84. I expect the K4's climb rate will let me gain energy advantage, although I've yet to try it.
Turnfighters, small birds (Niki, Zeke, Brew): Can't turn with em, can't hit em.
Comments appreciated as always.
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Well here's my notes on my experiences with the k4 so far:
1. It seems to work best when I use tactics similar to what I do with the Dora or A8, meaning I fly it as a BnZ'er.
2. It feels like it turns better than the FW's, (which almost goes without saying), at least it turns well enough to set up some shots, but it's not a turn-fighter by any means.
3. It's great for bomber killing, but like the Dora it's susceptible to radiator damage.
4. Controls get mushy around 400, but at least it doesn't creak like the ki84.
5. Flaps are great for getting over the top of loops and (if I'm desperate) for an extra bit of turn at slower speeds.
6. The 30mm is of course an issue. Best range is at 200ish. I have my convergence set for 300. I'm wary of taking longer shots with it because of the ammo load. Deflection shots are difficult, but not impossible.
Against specific aircraft:
Mustang: Good matchup. Killed 2 the other day with no problem.
Spitsteen: A problem. Not sure if it has any distinct advantages over the 16...maybe climb rate?
Corsair: Haven't had a good fight against a hog yet, but have successfully used e-tactics against them with a Ki84. I expect the K4's climb rate will let me gain energy advantage, although I've yet to try it.
Turnfighters, small birds (Niki, Zeke, Brew): Can't turn with em, can't hit em.
Comments appreciated as always.
1. Probably best not to use it for BnZ since its got horrid high speed handling.
2.Turns very well, buts it is like a P38...you need to put it into that angle where it does(vertical scissors)
3. I hate attacking bombers in a K4, the gun doesnt shoot far enough so you have to get in close....which leads to RAD damage ;)
4.Definately can go fast, use manual trim to control it better watch out for the blackout
5.Yes they are, they also help with hanging it on its prop which the K4 does....well is an understatement
6.Grizz has an AWESOME write up on the 30mm gun and aiming it......try to collide with thee person :D
Mustang-Should be an Easy fight unless he dives away
Spits-Hard fight for any plane
Corsair- even hard if the F4U has alt advantage but you can still win it.
everything else- K4 unleashs the pwn except the KI84......KI84 is top 3 fighters in game IMO
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1. Probably best not to use it for BnZ since its got horrid high speed handling.
2.Turns very well, buts it is like a P38...you need to put it into that angle where it does(vertical scissors)
3. I hate attacking bombers in a K4, the gun doesnt shoot far enough so you have to get in close....which leads to RAD damage ;)
4.Definately can go fast, use manual trim to control it better watch out for the blackout
5.Yes they are, they also help with hanging it on its prop which the K4 does....well is an understatement
6.Grizz has an AWESOME write up on the 30mm gun and aiming it......try to collide with thee person :D
Mustang-Should be an Easy fight unless he dives away
Spits-Hard fight for any plane
Corsair- even hard if the F4U has alt advantage but you can still win it.
everything else- K4 unleashs the pwn except the KI84......KI84 is top 3 fighters in game IMO
drag a k4 to the deck and force him into a turn fight and he can be outturned by a p40.
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drag a k4 to the deck and force him into a turn fight and he can be outturned by a p40.
WTF are you smoking? I want some. :D
The K4 is not a bad turn fighter at all if you fly it right, I get inside spits turns all the time. It's nothing like a 190... I started flying 109s because I got tired of BnZing in 190s.
Top 3 huh Junky? K4 is definitely #1 in front of the Spit16.....................
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K4 is a good mix between turnfighter and E fighter. I used to mainly fly the D9, but it lacks the turnfighting ability so I traded it in for a K4. The K4, unlike its counterpart the spitfires. It requires a lot of micro skill to make it deadly. Just like any plane, you should fly the K4 and maintain your E advantages until you really have to get into a turnfight.
Since aiming is the bread and butter of fighting, you gotta focus on working with the 30mm. It's a different beast. You can't use it like a 20mm or 50 cals, hitting targets w/ crazy deflections shot. With the 30mm, you have to get into the habit of making a collision snap shot. Look up Grizz's write up on this.
It took me a while to get use to this collision snapshot, but once you get it down the K4 then became tameable and a lot more enjoyable to fly. Here's a film on one of my K4 sorties. Focus on how the snapshots are make and the set up for it.
http://www.filefront.com/17434378/K4-8K+1.ahf
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So...
Nobody is going to mention using the MASSIVE torque to your advantage? :devil
Throttle management cannot be stressed enough in the K4.
Fight in the vertical.
I set taters at 400 and, if lucky, can hit at 600. Set convergence so mg's and taters hit at same spot. Use mg's for walking in the rounds and let a tater or 2 fly when on target.
I, personally, see only about 2% of planes that I kill (meaning most are crossing or deflection shots where I'm pulling ridiculous lead and target is under nose)
Search for Agent360's films on the K4.
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drag a k4 to the deck and force him into a turn fight and he can be outturned by a p40.
Ill let you test that on me in the DA....we will see if your P40 lasts 2 turns :aok
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Nobody is going to mention using the MASSIVE torque to your advantage? :devil
Throttle management cannot be stressed enough in the K4.
Fight in the vertical.
I set taters at 400 and, if lucky, can hit at 600. Set convergence so mg's and taters hit at same spot. Use mg's for walking in the rounds and let a tater or 2 fly when on target.
I, personally, see only about 2% of planes that I kill (meaning most are crossing or deflection shots where I'm pulling ridiculous lead and target is under nose)
Search for Agent360's films on the K4.
You shouldnt be shooting your tator at 600 out...unless its a buff maybe.
I normally roll against my torque....makes for easier shots and gets me behind my opponent
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Ill let you test that on me in the DA....we will see if your P40 lasts 2 turns :aok
You shouldnt be shooting your tator at 600 out...unless its a buff maybe.
I normally roll against my torque....makes for easier shots and gets me behind my opponent
Makes for a great surprise as most (like you) think that they are safe at d600 from a Kurfurst.
:rock
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Makes for a great surprise as most (like you) think that they are safe at d600 from a Kurfurst.
:rock
Think? at 600 Im safe from most every bullet, shoot I started reversals closer then that against CHogs
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Think? at 600 Im safe from most every bullet, shoot I started reversals closer then that against CHogs
Puff, puff, pass.
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Anyone know the title of Grizz's post on the K4? I found Agent's films and they are a gold mine, even without using the K4.
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drag a k4 to the deck and force him into a turn fight and he can be outturned by a p40.
ive outturned K4's in a p40 twice on the deck.(in the DA) funny thing tho, the second k4 realised i was begining to outturn him, so he suddenly switched to vertical. pretty much nosedived right into the ground :lol
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ive outturned K4's in a p40 twice on the deck.(in the DA) funny thing tho, the second k4 realised i was begining to outturn him, so he suddenly switched to vertical. pretty much nosedived right into the ground :lol
I turn fight in them pretty comfortably myself. Just so you know, getting into a turn fight with a plane like a p40 and then taking it vert, is a tactic. A good one too I might add. You can bleed the other guy's E and then go up, when he can't. Then you can pretty much kill him at your leisure. I'd guess that you weren't messing with any experienced K4 sticks, just a Kurfurst tourist. A P40 should really have very little to no chance against a K4.
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I turn fight in them pretty comfortably myself. Just so you know, getting into a turn fight with a plane like a p40 and then taking it vert, is a tactic. A good one too I might add. You can bleed the other guy's E and then go up, when he can't. Then you can pretty much kill him at your leisure. I'd guess that you weren't messing with any experienced K4 sticks, just a Kurfurst tourist. A P40 should really have very little to no chance against a K4.
When I need to turn fight planes that out turn me, I try to something super risky...
the 109k4 can dump and regain 'e' quickly, so I dump my 'e' faster than the other guy, forcing an overshoot, then I chase them around until I score a hit or get picked.
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The P40 is uber...
But this is a K4 thread so..... K4 K4 K4.......
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When I need to turn fight planes that out turn me, I try to something super risky...
the 109k4 can dump and regain 'e' quickly, so I dump my 'e' faster than the other guy, forcing an overshoot, then I chase them around until I score a hit or get picked.
Hey, I do that sometimes too! We should hit the DA sometime!
Seriously though, really we should. I need practice for Bald's tourney.
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Hey, I do that sometimes too! We should hit the DA sometime!
Seriously though, really we should. I need practice for Bald's tourney.
yeah we should. I haven't been on much recently so I"m prob rust as hell, but yeah, I'd love too.
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As Ardy stated its risky but K4 is extremely adept at vertical or BRD reversals learn them well. I win more fights forcing an overshoot and quick tater prolly than straight up merging or rolling scissor in the MA any more LOL.
A tactic I like is to bait a con, begin a lazy turn then tighten the turn, then when he is really close pull vertical ( throttle and flaps here and you can actually cause the K4 to tail slide here )and roll over the top and pop him inverted as he flys underneath you. It takes alot of practice but it works like a charm in alot of situations. Krup has a cool film on youtube of it done perfectly.
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As Ardy stated its risky but K4 is extremely adept at vertical or BRD reversals learn them well. I win more fights forcing an overshoot and quick tater prolly than straight up merging or rolling scissor in the MA any more LOL.
A tactic I like is to bait a con, begin a lazy turn then tighten the turn, then when he is really close pull vertical ( throttle and flaps here and you can actually cause the K4 to tail slide here )and roll over the top and pop him inverted as he flys underneath you. It takes alot of practice but it works like a charm in alot of situations. Krup has a cool film on youtube of it done perfectly.
This is a true K4 driver.....listen well younglings
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I turn fight in them pretty comfortably myself. Just so you know, getting into a turn fight with a plane like a p40 and then taking it vert, is a tactic. A good one too I might add. You can bleed the other guy's E and then go up, when he can't. Then you can pretty much kill him at your leisure. I'd guess that you weren't messing with any experienced K4 sticks, just a Kurfurst tourist. A P40 should really have very little to no chance against a K4.
i know its a good tactic, most early war planes (especially the p40) cant go 1v1 in a vertical fight with more late war models. its just that we were both pretty much dipping below treetop level trying to outturn eachother, very low E. and he suddenly decides to go vertical without enough E to make it without stalling out. it just kind of made me laugh watching the k4 nosed up in the air suddenly go plummeting back down to the earth.
the other K4 was warroc of the TA :noid
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i know its a good tactic, most early war planes (especially the p40) cant go 1v1 in a vertical fight with more late war models. its just that we were both pretty much dipping below treetop level trying to outturn eachother, very low E. and he suddenly decides to go vertical without enough E to make it without stalling out. it just kind of made me laugh watching the k4 nosed up in the air suddenly go plummeting back down to the earth.
the other K4 was warroc of the TA :noid
A good K4 stick would have extended away from a P40 came over the top and BnZed you to death. Thats one reason I am not afraid to turn with most planes, the acceleration of the K4 is amazing.
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Well I haven't had a huge drop in my k/d ratio while flying the k4, although I'm mostly killing buffs with it. I'm still missing shots against fighters, although I did nail one from -400.
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I thought the fighting on the deck with a P~40 comment was hilarious.....one thing you have to realize that most here already know, the plane is a tool, being controled by a pilot, he is who you are fighting, try fighting Grizz or Kappa in your P~40 while they are in a K~4 see how long you last....I am not insulting you in any way, just trying to get the point that no matter what the paper work says on a particular plane, the plane itself cannot do anything on its own, you are fighting the pilot of said plane...if I listened to those who said to me..."A hurri cant do that..."......well anyways the best thing you can do is keep practicing....fly against those that are better then you, and dont think because you won against two in DA means you know how to fight it, or in it.
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A better example would be going up against ghi when he's in an IL-2 or kingpen when he's flying a Wildcat. Neither plane is supposed to be all that good, but in the hands of these guys they are deadly killing machines.
As for me, well on the positive side I landed a record-high 6 kills in a K4 today...however, 2 were proxies that augered trying to kill me like within 5 seconds of each other, 1 was an SBD, one was a low and slow Brewster, and one was a Spitsteen that I tatered when he stalled out.
The 110 kill was pretty good though. :D
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K4, you gotta chose your fight man. I normally fly solo into a big blobs of red but I normally hang onto my E, rope all of em for a bit. Eventually kill most of em then turnfight maybe the last two. You just don't turnfight vs all of them right away =)
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K4, you gotta chose your fight man. I normally fly solo into a big blobs of red but I normally hang onto my E, rope all of em for a bit. Eventually kill most of em then turnfight maybe the last two. You just don't turnfight vs all of them right away =)
Well hell, that's what I've been doing wrong lately then.
I knew it had to be something.
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Well hell, that's what I've been doing wrong lately then.
I knew it had to be something.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Just get in there and rip it up. I do it all the time, and you get much better much faster. you have unlimited lives so exploit that!
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I mean it's not like D9 BnZming where it has 45 min total fuel time, which mean u can hang around target area for 30 min. K4 you only have about 20min of fuel. 5 min fly to target, 5 min fly rtb. That leaves ya about 10 min for fighting. If I don't just take it out for tnb (which I normally do), I'd usually get 8-10 kills in the K4 in that 10 min time frame. It's not that bad infact it's quite fun taking 1 vs 5ish and take em all down, with them being 800-1.5k behind ya tryin to follow you up.
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II'd usually get 8-10 kills in the K4 in that 10 min time frame.
Yenny, no offense, but 8-10 kills?? I smell a bit of an exaggeration... Grizz doesn't even get 8-10 kills regularly in a k4. So far you have flown 11 flights with 16 kills and have only made it back 5 times. Not bad, but don't make this new guy feel unsuccessful by gloating in the help forum.
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I havne't really play this game a lot lately, thanks to world of tanks. Once a week I'd take my K4 up fly around shoot stuff. Though back when I was actively playing this game, yea I normally have a good k/d ratio, time/kill ratio, hit% etc. Lately, I just don't even bother to land =) just crash when I run out of ammo. Here are some of my active months.
Tour 101:
Kills per Death + 1 7.92
Kills per Sortie 3.72
Kills per Hour of Flight 11.88
Kills Hit Percentage 13.97
Kill Points 99651.38 6
Fighter
Kills 934
Assists 213
Sorties 251
Landed 119
Bailed 8
Ditched 13
Captured 42
Deaths 65
Discos 4
Rank 2
My best tour there. Like I said I'm not really playing AHII last 2 years. Just a few flight a week to keep in touch w/ my squaddie. Nothing about gloating man, it's all about teaching the new players. I was a D9 guys, after talk to Grizz for a while I adapted the K4. Within a week, I was able to land 6+ easy per mission w/o reload. I mean landing kills is not hard. I used to be all about killing instead of rolling on the deck, but now I'm more oriented on rolling on the deck so my kill ratio suffers. If I want to land 10-15 kills a sortie, still very easily doable in D9, I just don't do it anymore. Doesn't mean I can't. Kill/sortie depends on mission type though, If I'm on the defensive, It's harder to kill folks since you're having to break from being bounce all the time. If I'm on the offensive, I normally wrack up quite a bit per mission.
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I havne't really play this game a lot lately, thanks to world of tanks. Once a week I'd take my K4 up fly around shoot stuff. Though back when I was actively playing this game, yea I normally have a good k/d ratio, time/kill ratio, hit% etc. Lately, I just don't even bother to land =) just crash when I run out of ammo. Here are some of my active months.
Tour 101:
Kills per Death + 1 7.92
Kills per Sortie 3.72
Kills per Hour of Flight 11.88
Kills Hit Percentage 13.97
Kill Points 99651.38 6
Fighter
Kills 934
Assists 213
Sorties 251
Landed 119
Bailed 8
Ditched 13
Captured 42
Deaths 65
Discos 4
Rank 2
My best tour there. Like I said I'm not really playing AHII last 2 years. Just a few flight a week to keep in touch w/ my squaddie. Nothing about gloating man, it's all about teaching the new players. I was a D9 guys, after talk to Grizz for a while I adapted the K4. Within a week, I was able to land 6+ easy per mission w/o reload. I mean landing kills is not hard. I used to be all about killing instead of rolling on the deck, but now I'm more oriented on rolling on the deck so my kill ratio suffers. If I want to land 10-15 kills a sortie, still very easily doable in D9, I just don't do it anymore. Doesn't mean I can't. Kill/sortie depends on mission type though, If I'm on the defensive, It's harder to kill folks since you're having to break from being bounce all the time. If I'm on the offensive, I normally wrack up quite a bit per mission.
Yenny, I saw how you flew your D9...Ive had fights against your K4 in my K4.
Your not that good.....just sayin.....no offense but i think your forgetting some sorties where you probably only got 2 maybe 1....especially if you fly like you say you do.
plus your kill per sortie completely says your FULL OF IT
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I know im not that horrible,but I Know my aiming skills were very sub par, I rarely ever got a 2.0 kill per death, and then if I did it was in the hurri, I was averaging a 4% hit ratio once I switched to the CHfighter stick that went up to 6% lol, scores and stats dont give you all the info, just the numbers, you still have no clue as to how the guy flies, unless of course your always running into said stick, most that know me ingame know ill very rarely be in a hourd, or even more rare see me vulch, I died pretty much every sortie, I think im one of the very few that isnt happy unless im dieing :-) and that will not change when I get back ;-)
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Lol I'm lucky if my FPS is 8 to 10 :D
I got mad love for that K4........
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Yea, i forgot to mension "good mission" when I'm not getting vulch defending the air field etc
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I havne't really play this game a lot lately, thanks to world of tanks. Once a week I'd take my K4 up fly around shoot stuff. Though back when I was actively playing this game, yea I normally have a good k/d ratio, time/kill ratio, hit% etc. Lately, I just don't even bother to land =) just crash when I run out of ammo. Here are some of my active months.
Tour 101:
Kills per Death + 1 7.92
Kills per Sortie 3.72
Kills per Hour of Flight 11.88
Kills Hit Percentage 13.97
Kill Points 99651.38 6
Fighter
Kills 934
Assists 213
Sorties 251
Landed 119
Bailed 8
Ditched 13
Captured 42
Deaths 65
Discos 4
Rank 2
My best tour there. Like I said I'm not really playing AHII last 2 years. Just a few flight a week to keep in touch w/ my squaddie. Nothing about gloating man, it's all about teaching the new players. I was a D9 guys, after talk to Grizz for a while I adapted the K4. Within a week, I was able to land 6+ easy per mission w/o reload. I mean landing kills is not hard. I used to be all about killing instead of rolling on the deck, but now I'm more oriented on rolling on the deck so my kill ratio suffers. If I want to land 10-15 kills a sortie, still very easily doable in D9, I just don't do it anymore. Doesn't mean I can't. Kill/sortie depends on mission type though, If I'm on the defensive, It's harder to kill folks since you're having to break from being bounce all the time. If I'm on the offensive, I normally wrack up quite a bit per mission.
If we go by your "best" in the K4 you had 174 kills and 150 deaths, just over 1 for a K/d. Ya ya you said you just crash, don't bother to land. Then explain the K/D in the D9 for the same month, 594 kills to 92 deaths, better than 5 to 1. So I guess you land D9s, but not K4s :rolleyes:
You were always a BnZer, and picker. Some people must exaggerate and make them selves seem like the best. It's a game. Some months you'll have a great K/D, others you won't be able to hit the broad side of a barn. The other thing take everything you read here on the boards with a grain of salt, even my posts :confused: Learn to have fun, the reat will come along just fine.
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^_^ Tour 101 was like almost 3 years ago =) I just learn how to fly K4 like 4-5 months ago maybe. Yea, I kinda quit BnZming D9, just mainly E fight and furball K4 more. More fun rolling on the deck =)
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Hellvalot of bollocks! Lol
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Hellvalot of bollocks! Lol
Yea!!!! lol